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Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV   Message List  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV

I don't accept those excuses on their behalf. My point is not about
art, or they way the advert affects the way the viewer engages with
the interview. I wouldn't expect them to give a damn about the
effect on the aesthetics of the video their ad is inserted into.

My point is about them not realising or caring how bad it makes them
look. In this case, it's not an automatic ad server. It's an
advert that's been edited in there by a human editor. If they think
the human editor who's inserting their advert can't make a basic
judgement call about which of two versions they've supplied - low key
or upbeat - to insert into a low key or upbeat video, then they
assume the editor is an idiot, and why are they allowing their advert
to be included in that video at all? That's not an argument that
stands up in this case.

And in this case, the inclusion of that version of the advert made
their product look cheap and shitty. That's the point. That's why
they're so stupid. If they'd just given the editor a version without
the music - not a big deal, given the money spent - it would have
been fine.

But that's not the way they think - probably for all the reasons
you've given. So they waste their money, instead of spending a tiny
amount more of their own time producing a slightly alternative
version. Surely in the future, agencies will be smarter and wise up
to the control they have over the context in which their adverts are
displayed. If it were me, I sure would.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv


On 26-Aug-08, at 1:57 PM, Bill Cammack wrote:

As far as Rupert's suggestion of several versions of a commercial,
you're asking the company to deal with three different
music/dialogue/fx mixes (which is probably negligible for a couple of
seconds worth of commercial), and you're also asking for human
intervention when it comes to what version of the ad to run on which
video. Most likely, they have an automated ad server and you're
talking about added expenses without related ROI.

I agree with the idea, as far as attempting to maintain the integrity
of the art, but like I said, it's not about the art. It's about hits
and ad sales. By the time you press play, they've already got you.

Bill Cammack
http://billcammack.com




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Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:22 pm

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http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html "Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan...
Rupert
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Aug 25, 2008
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Thanks for the link. So interesting. I'm glad they were able to avoid detention....
Bill Cammack
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Aug 25, 2008
10:39 pm

hey Jay and Ryanne    I just watched your video bout Beijing in Boing ´n Tv   you look worried and scared...heheh you guys are really brave to do that... ...
John Cardenas
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Aug 26, 2008
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I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report things....but....and for me it's a big but....the ads on the...
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
4:52 pm

I thought it was funny - just made me laugh at the advertiser - but yeah, i'm pretty amazed at the stupidity of advertisers, still making one-size-fits-all...
Rupert
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Aug 26, 2008
5:00 pm

hmm... I had assumed that Heath was talking about overlay ads DURING the program. I don't have a problem with pre-roll and post-roll ads of whatever type....
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
5:14 pm

... And maybe it's going to get better. BoingBoing is able to lure advertising because of the way the internet has been hyped up. But when the hype dies, and...
ractalfece
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Aug 26, 2008
8:42 pm

thinking about it, the main reason it was so obnoxious was because it came after the intro soundbite from jay and after the boingboing tv ident, so it wasn't...
Rupert
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Aug 26, 2008
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I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
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Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the "biz" but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing "green" or social...
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
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Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was "shocked" enough just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me that they had been...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
5:20 pm

I don't think they have to have different advertisers for different moods. Their advertiser just needs to provide maybe two or three different styles of their...
Rupert
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Aug 26, 2008
5:31 pm

It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just the one's before and after....I was too distracked by the blonde to notice the overlays.....
Heath
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Aug 26, 2008
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... That was my fault for ASSUMING you meant mid-roll overlay ads. I'm not aware that boingboing even USES those. I didn't mean to imply that there were any...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
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I don't accept those excuses on their behalf. My point is not about art, or they way the advert affects the way the viewer engages with the interview. I...
Rupert
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Aug 26, 2008
9:22 pm

... I see what you're saying. Agreed. If they're using burned-in advertisements, jacking up the flow of your show does make you look like you don't know how...
Bill Cammack
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Aug 26, 2008
10:07 pm

As a big news story, that video will be viewed by countless people. Advertisers are wise to attach to it. - Mary...
mcmpress
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Aug 27, 2008
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It's not about them having ads, it was just the type of ad...for me it broke the flow, it seemed intrusive....but I understand that ads are what makes the...
Heath
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