I mean, REALLY - it's now 4-5 years since the people on this list
started mucking about with this stuff.

And Jan's director is unusual in his use of social media and video to
document the production of his independent movie??

Even politicians are now well-versed in using videoblogging and all
kinds of web video to sell their message as they go along.
http://johnmccain.blip.tv/

The Queen has her own YouTube channel, for god's sake. And it's
quite good.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRoyalChannel

When John McCain and Elizabeth II are more innovative in their use of
online video than professional moviemakers, you know something is
seriously rotten in the state of Denmark.

I edited out a lot of swear words from this post.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 5-Sep-08, at 4:05 PM, Rupert wrote:

Good for Michael Moore. Yes, some of them are starting to get it.
But even the ones who are getting it are only partly getting it, and
- like your director, Jan - are bullied by producers and funders who
are still a long way from getting it.

In May, I was at a talk about the future of documentaries given by
Deborah Scranton, who directed War Tapes.

In the end, she advocated YouTube as the best way to get your films
seen by people.

I asked her how she thought that kind of free distribution fitted
with getting the considerable funding needed to make big
documentaries like hers.

She didn't have an answer.

And then I asked her whether it was OK for The War Tapes to be
distributed on YouTube so that it got viewed by more people.

She said "Oh, that's a question for the producer."

I was really disappointed with her. One moment, she was saying "It's
great for you little people to get your films in front of an audience
on YouTube" - and the next, she wouldn't even give her personal view
about her own film being shown that way, to a room full of emerging
documentary filmmakers.

These questions are no brainers to me, and yet she was supposed to be
giving an authoritative view about the future of documentaries. It's
all very easy for established filmmakers to say "Up and coming
filmmakers should use YouTube" - but if they say that, then they have
to be able to justify why THEY should use it, too - regardless of
what the studio's lawyers say in 2008. Otherwise it's just a
bullshit platitude to make them sound like they get it. And it
doesn't address the problem of how big documentaries will be funded
ten years from now.

I'm always amazed at how long it takes TV and Film professionals to
understand and get excited about this stuff, instead of seeing it as
a financial threat.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 5-Sep-08, at 3:29 PM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:

Great news, really.

They begin to 'get it'.

Ha!

Bwah-hahaha.

Yes!!!!!!!!!

The director of the indie movie I just finished mixing ("City
Island") is
putting clips from dailies (bloopers & such) online on his blog through
YouTube.

<
http://moviestildawn.blogspot.com/2008/09/city-island-empire-diner-
moment.html
>

The producers had him cease and desist for about a week during
production,
but blog comments convinced 'em it was the right thing to do.

One producer at a time...

The director also wants to break his previous movie ("Two Family House")
into 10-minute segments and put the whole thing on YouTube - and WILL
eventually. The director definitely gets it.

Jan

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:

> Michael Moore is putting out his new film, "Slacker Rising", on
the web
> through blip.tv (for free).
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080905-michael-moore-skips-
box-office-film-heads-straight-to-net.html
>
> "*Slacker Uprising* details Moore's tour of 62 US cities in an
attempt to
> rally young voters before the presidential election in 2004. Moore
says
> that
> he originally considered releasing the movie in theaters, as he
did with
> his
> 2004 film criticizing the Bush Administration, *Fahrenheit 9/11*.
However,
> he decided to go the online route instead as a symbol of gratitude
to his
> fans. "I thought it'd be a nice way to celebrate my 20th year of
doing
> this," Moore told the Associated
> Press<http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?
id=12199>.
> "And also help get out the vote for November. I've been thinking
about what
> I want to do to help with the election this year."
>
> I know Michael Moore and Radiohead have built-in audiences, but it
is also
> getting people used to these new distribution models.
>
> Jay
>
>
> --
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
>
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