No, obviously it's not a bad thing if a director just doesn't want to
do it. Nobody's forcing anyone. My point - and maybe it was badly
made - is that so many other people in unexpected places are using
online video to promote ongoing projects... it seems absurd to me
that filmmakers aren't at the forefront of that phenomenon. And
they're not. Quite the opposite. And yet how many of these feature
films will have a "Making of" movie being shot expensively for the
DVD (or, in past times, for a momentary cable broadcast)?


On 5-Sep-08, at 4:25 PM, schlomo rabinowitz wrote:

I don't think its exactly Negative if a director doesnt want to blog his
activites or post dailies onto the web. Maybe the director just wants to
show a finished product; many people are like that.
Kent, you're making a movie (Attack of the Killer Tomatoes!!!), do
feel the
need to blog the production process? I assume you guys have talked to
the
producer about this sort of stuff. Is there anything you can share about
that?

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Rupert <rupert@...> wrote:

> I mean, REALLY - it's now 4-5 years since the people on this list
> started mucking about with this stuff.
>
> And Jan's director is unusual in his use of social media and video to
> document the production of his independent movie??
>
> Even politicians are now well-versed in using videoblogging and all
> kinds of web video to sell their message as they go along.
> http://johnmccain.blip.tv/
>
> The Queen has her own YouTube channel, for god's sake. And it's
> quite good.
> http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRoyalChannel
>
> When John McCain and Elizabeth II are more innovative in their use of
> online video than professional moviemakers, you know something is
> seriously rotten in the state of Denmark.
>
> I edited out a lot of swear words from this post.
>
> Rupert
> http://twittervlog.tv
>
>
> On 5-Sep-08, at 4:05 PM, Rupert wrote:
>
> Good for Michael Moore. Yes, some of them are starting to get it.
> But even the ones who are getting it are only partly getting it, and
> - like your director, Jan - are bullied by producers and funders who
> are still a long way from getting it.
>
> In May, I was at a talk about the future of documentaries given by
> Deborah Scranton, who directed War Tapes.
>
> In the end, she advocated YouTube as the best way to get your films
> seen by people.
>
> I asked her how she thought that kind of free distribution fitted
> with getting the considerable funding needed to make big
> documentaries like hers.
>
> She didn't have an answer.
>
> And then I asked her whether it was OK for The War Tapes to be
> distributed on YouTube so that it got viewed by more people.
>
> She said "Oh, that's a question for the producer."
>
> I was really disappointed with her. One moment, she was saying "It's
> great for you little people to get your films in front of an audience
> on YouTube" - and the next, she wouldn't even give her personal view
> about her own film being shown that way, to a room full of emerging
> documentary filmmakers.
>
> These questions are no brainers to me, and yet she was supposed to be
> giving an authoritative view about the future of documentaries. It's
> all very easy for established filmmakers to say "Up and coming
> filmmakers should use YouTube" - but if they say that, then they have
> to be able to justify why THEY should use it, too - regardless of
> what the studio's lawyers say in 2008. Otherwise it's just a
> bullshit platitude to make them sound like they get it. And it
> doesn't address the problem of how big documentaries will be funded
> ten years from now.
>
> I'm always amazed at how long it takes TV and Film professionals to
> understand and get excited about this stuff, instead of seeing it as
> a financial threat.
>
> Rupert
> http://twittervlog.tv
>
> On 5-Sep-08, at 3:29 PM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:
>
> Great news, really.
>
> They begin to 'get it'.
>
> Ha!
>
> Bwah-hahaha.
>
> Yes!!!!!!!!!
>
> The director of the indie movie I just finished mixing ("City
> Island") is
> putting clips from dailies (bloopers & such) online on his blog
through
> YouTube.
>
> <
> http://moviestildawn.blogspot.com/2008/09/city-island-empire-diner-
> moment.html
> >
>
> The producers had him cease and desist for about a week during
> production,
> but blog comments convinced 'em it was the right thing to do.
>
> One producer at a time...
>
> The director also wants to break his previous movie ("Two Family
House")
> into 10-minute segments and put the whole thing on YouTube - and WILL
> eventually. The director definitely gets it.
>
> Jan
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Jay dedman
<jay.dedman@...<jay.dedman%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Michael Moore is putting out his new film, "Slacker Rising", on
> the web
> > through blip.tv (for free).
> >
> > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080905-michael-moore-skips-
> box-office-film-heads-straight-to-net.html
> >
> > "*Slacker Uprising* details Moore's tour of 62 US cities in an
> attempt to
> > rally young voters before the presidential election in 2004. Moore
> says
> > that
> > he originally considered releasing the movie in theaters, as he
> did with
> > his
> > 2004 film criticizing the Bush Administration, *Fahrenheit 9/11*.
> However,
> > he decided to go the online route instead as a symbol of gratitude
> to his
> > fans. "I thought it'd be a nice way to celebrate my 20th year of
> doing
> > this," Moore told the Associated
> > Press<http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?
> id=12199>.
> > "And also help get out the vote for November. I've been thinking
> about what
> > I want to do to help with the election this year."
> >
> > I know Michael Moore and Radiohead have built-in audiences, but it
> is also
> > getting people used to these new distribution models.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> >
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