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Michael Moore follows the Radiohead model   Message List  
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Re: Michael Moore follows the Radiohead model

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz"
<schlomo@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think its exactly Negative if a director doesnt want to blog his
> activites or post dailies onto the web. Maybe the director just
wants to
> show a finished product; many people are like that.
> Kent, you're making a movie (Attack of the Killer Tomatoes!!!), do
feel the
> need to blog the production process? I assume you guys have talked
to the
> producer about this sort of stuff. Is there anything you can share
about
> that?
>

Hey,

It's such an individual thing. Our producer on Tomatoes is pretty net
savvy, but I doubt he'd be down with putting the whole movie on YouTube.

But there's an inherent conflict between directors and producers.
Directers want to capture their vision and then share that vision with
as pany people as possible. Producers want that vision to come in on
time and on budget and then get people to pay to see it.

When you are acting as both director and producer, the director in you
can easily persuade the producer in you to let it free and figure out
the money situation later.

When you are a work for hire director that's been paid well for you
services by a producer, it's harder to win that fight because you
don't have any copyright claim.

But marketing people and creatives covertly upload and seed their work
all the time. They just can't do it officially or publicly condone
it. Their legal departments would freak.

This new model, where you give it all away and still make money is
strange and antithetical to everything that has come before it.

It has worked, and will continue to, but the paychecks are smaller
than in the old way.

Even though we are very successful in the online world, Douglas and I
get paid what beginning sitcom writers get paid. Which is good money,
but not great. So if you're talking to someone who's used getting
paid in the old system, and then you tell them to give there stuff
away, of course you're going to get strange looks.

Once those people have been used up by the system, or they were never
even given a chance (like me), the net offers a connection with an
audience in a very deep and meaningful way and the ability to get paid
if you streamline out the unnecessary middlemen.

Showbiz is a slowly evolving beast. The young PR and marketing peeps
that are infiltrating big media's ranks right now are becoming really
net savvy. I was reached out to over Twitter by two separate flacks
for doing two separate things with the MTV Video Music Awards.

In ten years those people will be the VPs in charge and in 20 years
they'll be the CEOs.

-Kent, askaninja.com




Mon Sep 8, 2008 4:27 pm

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Great news, really. They begin to 'get it'. Ha! Bwah-hahaha. Yes!!!!!!!!! The director of the indie movie I just finished mixing ("City Island") is putting...
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Good for Michael Moore. Yes, some of them are starting to get it. But even the ones who are getting it are only partly getting it, and - like your director,...
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I mean, REALLY - it's now 4-5 years since the people on this list started mucking about with this stuff. And Jan's director is unusual in his use of social...
Rupert
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Sep 5, 2008
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I don't think its exactly Negative if a director doesnt want to blog his activites or post dailies onto the web. Maybe the director just wants to show a...
schlomo rabinowitz
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Sep 5, 2008
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No, obviously it's not a bad thing if a director just doesn't want to do it. Nobody's forcing anyone. My point - and maybe it was badly made - is that so...
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right now i have 3 or 5 folks a day joining my yahoo group to see production stills from a special interest shoot. most of the footage, as usual, will only...
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don't fool yourself, it isn't the political candidates that 'get' the new media, it is their supporters. As to posting stuff like this, the best I have seen...
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I agree with your insights, Rupert. YouTube is great for marketing. Not for distribution. Blip.tv is great for distribution. There's a big difference between...
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