On 02/07/2004, at 8:30 AM, Jay Dedman wrote:

>
> does anyone know of a free blog service that supports video?
> I use Typepad, which is 8.95 a month.
>

any http server can deliver video. whether they are happy about it is
another matter.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 02/07/2004, at 6:02 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

> Can you elaborate a bit on this? It sounds very interesting about how
> the
> context will change.

just think about phones. once you had a fixed object with a nnumber
attached. to use it you had to be wehre the object was. you had a
number for work, home, and so on. change homes, numbers change. etc.

then we got mobile telephony. now the network follows you. so we get
sms, originally a business application but now a social tool.
theoretically we have one number that can follow us, through homes,
jobs, and locations. it becomes a personal object, decorated, ring
tones, and so on. we've added radios, music players, cameras and video
to it. WAP too.

So, with wireless everywhere, devices will no longer be singular
things. already you could make your fridge talk to yoru bluetooth phone
with a shopping list, so with video, and images and sound. they could
be recorded from any device. add a video camera to your ipod, with
wireless.

i was in switz. got sms coverage on top of mountains. imagine wireless
up there. shoot, publish. do i want to lug arund a big camera? maybe,
but domestic level, from my phone, my gps system, my walking stick.
hell, i even saw a swiss army knife that had a blade and a USB
keychain, soon it will be bluetooth.

the problem for designers is, what to put where and why. like sms (and
blogs for that matter), it will emerge but probably won't be predicted,
but once anyting can talk to anything, and you can send data from
anywhere, what objects will we develop with what functions to do this?
("hey, look at this" as i turn on my live video feed from my car, or it
auto records the last 3 minutes for purposes of accident investigation,
archived remotely....)

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 03/07/2004, at 12:01 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote:

> With HTTP, you can use ranges to link to 1:30 without having to serve
> 0:00-1:29 first.  I believe this is pretty well supported.

thanks Lucas

is this via byte serving? any idea what you would need to know to
actually make it happen?

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Adrian Miles wrote:

>
> On 03/07/2004, at 12:01 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
>
>> With HTTP, you can use ranges to link to 1:30 without having to serve
>> 0:00-1:29 first.  I believe this is pretty well supported.
>
> thanks Lucas
>
> is this via byte serving? any idea what you would need to know to
> actually make it happen?

Jon Udell did some investigating.  Let's see...  The best I could find was
this ref; there's a better one that I couldn't find.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2004/05/18.html




>
> cheers
> Adrian Miles
> .................................................................
> hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
> interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
> research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

http://infodesign.no/diablog/index.php?p=190&more=1&c=1  (just text)
http://www.infodesign.no/artikler/Blogtalk/pres_blogtalk2004.html (pictures)

everyone may have already seen this, but Jon Hoems wrote up an article on
Videoblogging.
he focuses on doing collective documentaries.
gets into a lot of the deeplinking issues we've been discussing here.


--
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Manhattan Neighborhood Network
537 West 59th
NY NY 10019
212 757 2670 ext.312
www.mnn.org

On 06/07/2004, at 12:46 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote:

> Jon Udell did some investigating.  Let's see...  The best I could find
> was
> this ref; there's a better one that I couldn't find.
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2004/05/18.html

Thanks Lucas

on a WebStar server I ran years ago they had a plug in that enabled
byte based delivery, with pdfs specifically in mind. something like
this is very interesting and potentially very useful, though you'd also
want a simple way to know what range you wanted, so for time based
media it should translate to timecode. So i could request the first 30
seconds...

SMIL can do this, and a system we built as a proof of concept a few
years ago used SMIL and RTSP and you could 'roll back' 10, 15, or 30
seconds from any point to see a shot 'in context' (it was a film
analysis engine). But this was SMIL with a RTSP, not progressive
download...

the future has more possibilities than I guess we imagine.:-)

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 06/07/2004, at 2:30 AM, Jay Dedman wrote:

> http://infodesign.no/diablog/index.php?p=190&more=1&c=1  (just text)
> http://www.infodesign.no/artikler/Blogtalk/pres_blogtalk2004.html
> (pictures)
>
> everyone may have already seen this, but Jon Hoems wrote up an article
> on
> Videoblogging.
> he focuses on doing collective documentaries.
> gets into a lot of the deeplinking issues we've been discussing here.

good to see. He's working with the people I originally worked with in
Bergen where we developed 2 prototype SMIL systems. One was using
Potemkin's Odessa Steps sequence. Every shot was given metadata about
scale, direction, movement and so on. You could then search for (eg)
close ups with left to right movement. The engine found all shots, and
could then play them all for you in sequence, regardless of where they
occurred in the original.

The second used the entire length of John Ford's The Searchers. I added
metadata about doors in the film. If there was a door then was the
camera inside/outside, looking inside/outside. you then searched for,
say, doors inside looking inside. Every shot that met the criteria was
pulled out and formed a comic strip panel. selecting any of those
showed you the shot in context (and we were going to add roll back
features so you could nominate how much surrounding context you wanted,
the default was, from memory 15 seconds). This could have strung them
all together but that wasn't the point of this system. My proposal at
the time was to use this to build a documentary engine.

Good to see that Jon's continuing the work, this needs to be done.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

> Jon Udell did some investigating.  Let's see...  The best I could
find was
> this ref; there's a better one that I couldn't find.
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2004/05/18.html

I did a writeup at me-tv.org:
http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=HowToLink
I also built a tool that links to within a realvideo. I believe
realplayer does not load the entire video...
http://www.me-tv.org/freetools/getrmurl.php

Peter

Hi, I'm Craige, a friend of Mica's. I joined this group on her recommendation. I
love
what she is doing with video on her blog and I wanted to get in on the action. I
thought
I'd be able to jump right in, but apparently not so! I took a few minutes worth
of
footage on my digital camera (it has limited video capabilites, it seems to take
only 39
seconds of footage at a time) and loaded it onto my PC. Then came trying to
figure out
how to connect the dots and get it on the web. Well, first things first -- how
to edit
it. I checked out a program that came with my computer called Movie Maker. No
go.
Wouldn't recognize a .mov file. Then I downloaded a freeware program -- same
problem.
Finally I opened Adobe ImageReady and lo and behold it recognized my little
movie. I
still don't know how I'm going to connect the pieces, but I guess I'll worry
about
editing the pieces down first. Then I'll need to figure out how to get them onto
my
blog! I had no idea this was going to be so much work! But it's fun, something
new. And
I had never used that video function on my camera, so that's worthwhile.

-Craige
http://craigemorsels.com

glad Mica (http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/) sent you over.
I have a Mac, but im bet half the people on this list have PC's.
someone will explain their process.
Andreas(www.solitude.dk) said he was going to write up a HOW-TO-VIDEOBLOG
for PC's.

it's good for us to see how the process of vdieoblogging is difficult for
new people.
it is easy once you get it down with the different applications you got to
use.
some of us are working on getting the act of videoblogging streamlined so
anyone could do it.

basically you got to:
1. record the video
2. edit(if you want to)
3. compress/optimize the video to web size(under 5MB)
4, then upload and post to your blog

so who has a PC and can help Craige do his first videoblog?




Quoting Craige Moore <craige@...>:

> Hi, I'm Craige, a friend of Mica's. I joined this group on her
> recommendation. I love
> what she is doing with video on her blog and I wanted to get in on the
> action. I thought
> I'd be able to jump right in, but apparently not so! I took a few minutes
> worth of
> footage on my digital camera (it has limited video capabilites, it seems
to
> take only 39
> seconds of footage at a time) and loaded it onto my PC. Then came trying
to
> figure out
> how to connect the dots and get it on the web. Well, first things first --
> how to edit
> it. I checked out a program that came with my computer called Movie Maker.
No
> go.
> Wouldn't recognize a .mov file. Then I downloaded a freeware program --
same
> problem.
> Finally I opened Adobe ImageReady and lo and behold it recognized my
little
> movie. I
> still don't know how I'm going to connect the pieces, but I guess I'll
worry
> about
> editing the pieces down first. Then I'll need to figure out how to get
them
> onto my
> blog! I had no idea this was going to be so much work! But it's fun,
> something new. And
> I had never used that video function on my camera, so that's worthwhile.
>
> -Craige
> http://craigemorsels.com
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jay Dedman
Manhattan Neighborhood Network
537 West 59th
NY NY 10019
212 757 2670 ext.312
www.mnn.org

> has anyone here ever played with an MPEG-4 camera? (see links below if
> you don't know what i'm talking about) i feel like these would be the
> ideal videoblogging tools if they
> 1) had wifi and
> 2) could run java (or python or whatever)

this is old message from Ryan.
I saw my first MPEG4 camera today:
http://www.fisherav.com/FVD-C1.htm
its really beautiful, light, and simple.
records onto a sandisk..something like an hour of video.
if it could hook up to internet through wifi, and post directly to a blog,
youd be set.

i was just blown away by the quailty of the image and how the camera just
sat in your hand.
pricey, but itll come down.
Ryan is right--these MPEG4 cameras are perfect for videoblogging.





Quoting Ryan Shaw <ryanshaw@...>:

> Jay Dedman wrote:
>
> >> What if you could just push a button on the camera and have it
> >> posted to the web?
> >
> > so you'd put the phone(ability to connect to the internet) in the
> > camera... instead of the camera in the phone...
>
> has anyone here ever played with an MPEG-4 camera? (see links below if
> you don't know what i'm talking about) i feel like these would be the
> ideal videoblogging tools if they
>
> 1) had wifi and
> 2) could run java (or python or whatever)
>
> they record to solid state, in a size and format perfect for the web,
> but much higher quality+storage than cell phones, yet a similar
> size/weight form factor.
>
> even without the wifi and scriptability i'm thinking about getting one
> to enable daily video production.
>
> ryan
>
> MPEG-4 cameras:
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/24eob
>  http://tinyurl.com/2th7x
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Manhattan Neighborhood Network
537 West 59th
NY NY 10019
212 757 2670 ext.312
www.mnn.org

On Mon,  5 Jul 2004 23:52:06 -0500, Jay Dedman <jay@...> wrote:

> so who has a PC and can help Craige do his first videoblog?

Hi Craige and welcome!
I'm glad you like the concept of videoblogging as much as the rest of us.
:o)

The first step is to get Movie Maker to recognize the files. For that you
need to convert the MOV files to something else - preferably AVI.

If you want to spend cash Quicktime Pro should be able to both handle this
and should have editing capabilities. I DON'T OWN the program though so I
have NO IDEA what it looks like and what it can do. That's my disclaimer
in capital letters. Quicktime Pro costs $30 from
<http://www.apple.com/quicktime/>

I am thinking about buying Quicktime Pro myself because it looks like it
has better compression capabilities than what I'm using now.

Aaaanyway, I googled a bit and found this:
<http://www.winmpg.com/mov-converter.html>

It should be able to convert MOV files into AVI files that you can then
import into Movie Maker. The free trial version will only convert the
first five minutes of a video file, but that isn't a limitation in your
case. So try out the free trial and see if it works.

Once you work a bit with Movie Maker you'll start cursing it's limitations
(only one video track and one audio track). I haven't yet found a free or
cheap, lightweight editing program for PC. Quicktime Pro might be the
answer, but like I said: I haven't tried it yet. I'd like to magically
find something Open Source. :o)

- Andreas
--
Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk>
File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/>

In case everyone doesn't check the wiki as religiously as I do:

Peter Lawrence is proposing having another videoblog week with a theme of
"My day":

<http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=VideoBloggingWeek>

With me being on my way across the Atlantic right in the middle of the
week he has proposed I can't join in myself. Being without my only way to
make videos (my webcam) I'm out for the rest of the summer also. Unless of
course I can afford to buy a camera while in the USA.

Does anyone have recommendations? I want a normal camera, not a video
camera, but being able to record videos (with sound) would rock since I
would be able to experiment more with videoblogging instead of just
talking about it. I have been looking at a Canon A80 which I should be
able to get for $300. I'm looking for something that is easy to use for
'travel photos' but at the same time has a possibility for getting a bit
more into different settings (because I like to experiment and maybe even
learn a thing or two about photography).

- Andreas
--
Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk>
File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/>

Life Caching An Important Trend For Marketers to Watch

http://www.unmediated.org/archives/000902.html

Always ahead of the curve, TrendWatching has dubbed a new trend called
Life Caching. Simply put, it's the collection of all things
experiential (rather than material) enabled by the proliferation of
digital products. From weblogs to Lifeblogs to digital cameras to
everything-enabled cell phones, the recording and collection of
experiences is fast becoming ubiquitous.

   For marketers who provide an experience, figuring out to enable the
consumer to make that experience last is the key to riding this trend.
With consumer's entire body of experience cataloged, gaining permission
from consumers to access this life-store will be the holy grail for
marketers.


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> Once you work a bit with Movie Maker you'll start cursing it's limitations
> (only one video track and one audio track). I haven't yet found a free or
> cheap, lightweight editing program for PC. Quicktime Pro might be the
> answer, but like I said: I haven't tried it yet. I'd like to magically
> find something Open Source. :o)

someone i work with said you can download free Avid editing software.
probably very simple but maybe like Imovie for Macs.
http://www.avid.com/freedv/
let us know if it works.

--
Jay Dedman
Manhattan Neighborhood Network
537 West 59th
NY NY 10019
212 757 2670 ext.312
www.mnn.org

Andreas Haugstrup said:
> On Mon,  5 Jul 2004 23:52:06 -0500, Jay Dedman <jay@...> wrote:
>
>> so who has a PC and can help Craige do his first videoblog?
>
> Hi Craige and welcome!
> I'm glad you like the concept of videoblogging as much as the rest of us.
> :o)
>
> The first step is to get Movie Maker to recognize the files. For that you
> need to convert the MOV files to something else - preferably AVI.
>
> If you want to spend cash Quicktime Pro should be able to both handle this
> and should have editing capabilities. I DON'T OWN the program though so I
> have NO IDEA what it looks like and what it can do. That's my disclaimer
> in capital letters. Quicktime Pro costs $30 from
> <http://www.apple.com/quicktime/>

I looked at Quicktime Pro and considered buying it for about half a second. I am
also
determined to get up and running without paying anything.
>
> I am thinking about buying Quicktime Pro myself because it looks like it
> has better compression capabilities than what I'm using now.
>
> Aaaanyway, I googled a bit and found this:
> <http://www.winmpg.com/mov-converter.html>
>
> It should be able to convert MOV files into AVI files that you can then
> import into Movie Maker. The free trial version will only convert the
> first five minutes of a video file, but that isn't a limitation in your
> case. So try out the free trial and see if it works.

I will definitely check that out this evening. I gather that Movie Maker is
probably a
lot simpler to use than the Adobe program I was attempting to use (and which
crashed
when I tried to view my movie in realtime).
>
> Once you work a bit with Movie Maker you'll start cursing it's limitations
> (only one video track and one audio track). I haven't yet found a free or
> cheap, lightweight editing program for PC. Quicktime Pro might be the
> answer, but like I said: I haven't tried it yet. I'd like to magically
> find something Open Source. :o)

That shouldn't be a problem for me, since my camera doesn't record sound. If I
get into
it more I will hijack my fiance's mini-DV camera and his Mac where he has imovie
and
Final Cut Pro, but for now I want to try to do this on my own. He's crazy-busy
editing a
documentary and doesn't exactly have time for me hijack his equipment right now
anyway.
;)

Thanks for all your advice.

-Craige
http://craigemorsels.com

>
> - Andreas
> --
> Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk>
> File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/>
>

I cam across a page this morning on the Wikimedia
meta-wiki about video policy for Wikipedia. It covers
some of the same issues we've been discussing re:
standards, formats, caching, etc. He suggests that
Ogg Theora is the only suitable format for Wikipedia
as it is the most free. Interesting read.

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_policy

Adrian Miles wrote:

> He's working with the people I originally worked with in Bergen where
> we developed 2 prototype SMIL systems. One was using Potemkin's
> Odessa Steps sequence. Every shot was given metadata about scale,
> direction, movement and so on. You could then search for (eg) close
> ups with left to right movement. The engine found all shots, and
> could then play them all for you in sequence, regardless of where
> they occurred in the original.
>
> The second used the entire length of John Ford's The Searchers. I
> added metadata about doors in the film. If there was a door then was
> the camera inside/outside, looking inside/outside. you then searched
> for, say, doors inside looking inside. Every shot that met the
> criteria was pulled out and formed a comic strip panel. selecting any
> of those showed you the shot in context (and we were going to add
> roll back features so you could nominate how much surrounding context
> you wanted, the default was, from memory 15 seconds). This could have
> strung them all together but that wasn't the point of this system. My
> proposal at the time was to use this to build a documentary engine.
>
> Good to see that Jon's continuing the work, this needs to be done.

Are you familiar with Mediastreams[1]? This was a system developed in
the early 90s that allows the kinds of things you mentioned above. For
my Master's project I am considering re-imagining it for a web-centric
context and how that might serve as a foundation for things like video
blogging. If you have any references for the systems you mentioned I'd
like to take a look at them.

[1] http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/golan/mediastreams/

http://www.apple.com/applescript/quicktime/

Includes:

SMIL

SMIL stands for Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language
(pronounced "smile") and is an XML-based language developed by the
World Wide Web Consortium as a way to standardize the control and
display of media content. Support for SMIL was introduced in QuickTime
4.1 and has been enhanced in 5.0.
	 •  Image Overlay with Link  • This script will create a SMIL file
which places an image over part of a background movie. For example, you
can have a company logo display at the bottom right of a movie. When
the overlay image is clicked, a new webpage will open displaying a
target URL.
    
	 •  Movie Caption w/ Link & Slider  • This script will create a SMIL
file which displays static text along the bottom of a movie.
    
	 •  Movie Caption with Link  • This script will create a SMIL file
which displays static text along the bottom of a movie. Clicking the
text will open a specific webpage or movie.
    
	 •  SMIL Sequence Wizard  • This script will create reference movies
which play sequences of QuickTime movies composed of files or remote
streams. The user answers a series of questions and the script
generates the appropriate SMIL QuickTime movie.
    
	 •  SMIL Slideshow w/ Bckgnd Audio  • This script will create a SMIL
slideshow with background audio. Run the script and select a folder
containing JPEG, GIF, or PICT images and an audio file to be played in
the background. NOTE: saving the audio file as a QuickTIme movie will
ensure that it plays smoothly.
    
Text Tracks
	 •  Annotations to Rolling Credits  • this is a description of this
script
    
	 •  HREF for Web Movie End  • This script will prompt the user for a
target URL to assign to the end of the front movie. Successive dialogs
will determine whether to navigate to the assigned URL automatically or
by user click, and whether to do so in a new window or the current
window.
    
	 •  HREF for Web Movie Selection  • This script will prompt the user
for a target URL to assign to the selected area of the front movie.
Successive dialogs will determine whether to navigate to the assigned
URL automatically or by user click, and whether to do so in a new
window or the current window.
    
	 •  Rolling Credits for Front Movie  • This script will create rolling
credits for the front movie based on the Full Name annotation, entered
or imported credits, and prompted copyright information. The new
credits will be a newly created movie. You can import credits from a
text file with each paragraph considered a new credit.
    


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> someone i work with said you can download free Avid editing software.
> probably very simple but maybe like Imovie for Macs.
> http://www.avid.com/freedv/
> let us know if it works.

It doesn't seem to be available right now - the download link goes to
a "not found" page, and searching the site doesn't turn up anything
useful.


best regards,
Deirdré Straughan

http://www.straughan.com

I just signed up yesterday, found this group while researching
videoblogging. I am not (so far) a blogger, I prefer to publish an
e-newsletter and "full blown" website, since that's what I do
professionally (among other things). But I got curious about how
people are publishing video online and wanted to try some things
myself, so here I am.

I'm an American living in Lecco, on beautiful Lake Como, in Italy. And
if you're dying to know more about me, there's plenty on my site! No
videos as yet, I'm working on it.


best regards,
Deirdré Straughan

http://www.straughan.com

Welcome Deirdre! Any fan of Buffy is a friend of mine! ;-)

Eric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan, class of 81" <lis=
ts@s...>
wrote:
> I just signed up yesterday, found this group while researching
> videoblogging. I am not (so far) a blogger, I prefer to publish an
> e-newsletter and "full blown" website, since that's what I do
> professionally (among other things). But I got curious about how
> people are publishing video online and wanted to try some things
> myself, so here I am.
>
> I'm an American living in Lecco, on beautiful Lake Como, in Italy. And
> if you're dying to know more about me, there's plenty on my site! No
> videos as yet, I'm working on it.
>
>
> best regards,
> Deirdré Straughan
>
> http://www.straughan.com

My progress (I hope posting here about my slow-going attempts to get
up and running is the right thing to do):

I downloaded the mov-converter from winMPG. It came with very little
support or guidance and there were numerous things I had to choose
from that I am not familiar with, such as codec. I tried many
different combinations and kept coming up with errors.

I then downloaded a similar program from River Past called Video
Cleaner: http://www.riverpast.com/en/prod/videocleaner/index.php
It has plenty of support and a good tutorial on exactly how to use
the program, with screen shots. However, the program kept saying that
my .mov files were not in a recognizable movie format. Argh!!!

I am thoroughly frustrated that my Olympus' video function is so
difficult to use on my PC. I think my next step will be to try to
find evidence of others with the same camera discussing the video
function.

-Craige

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
> The first step is to get Movie Maker to recognize the files. For
> that you need to convert the MOV files to something else -
> preferably AVI.
>
> Aaaanyway, I googled a bit and found this:
> <http://www.winmpg.com/mov-converter.html>
>
> It should be able to convert MOV files into AVI files that you can
> then import into Movie Maker. The free trial version will only
> convert the first five minutes of a video file, but that isn't a
> limitation in your case. So try out the free trial and see if it
> works.
>
> - Andreas

im frustrated just reading about it.
i have an olympus c3030 that i have used to make QT movies for
web but i work on a mac. must have been simple or i wouldnt
have been able to figure it out. did  the olympus 'camedia'
program have any support for the mov. files? I'll ask around too.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "garbonzothebean"
<craige@c...> wrote:
> My progress (I hope posting here about my slow-going
attempts to get
> up and running is the right thing to do):
>
> I downloaded the mov-converter from winMPG. It came with
very little
> support or guidance and there were numerous things I had to
choose
> from that I am not familiar with, such as codec. I tried many
> different combinations and kept coming up with errors.
>
> I then downloaded a similar program from River Past called
Video
> Cleaner:
http://www.riverpast.com/en/prod/videocleaner/index.php
> It has plenty of support and a good tutorial on exactly how to
use
> the program, with screen shots. However, the program kept
saying that
> my .mov files were not in a recognizable movie format. Argh!!!
>
> I am thoroughly frustrated that my Olympus' video function is so
> difficult to use on my PC. I think my next step will be to try to
> find evidence of others with the same camera discussing the
video
> function.
>
> -Craige

I have almost the same camera -- the c3020. When searching online for
others' attempts to manipulate the .mov files (nothing found) I did
come across info on one of the newer Camedia models that seems to
come with the QT editing software. Maybe mine does, too, but I didn't
see it on the disk. I'll have to look again, because that seems to be
my only hope.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "contactmica"
<contactmica@y...> wrote:
> im frustrated just reading about it.
> i have an olympus c3030 that i have used to make QT movies for
> web but i work on a mac. must have been simple or i wouldnt
> have been able to figure it out. did  the olympus 'camedia'
> program have any support for the mov. files? I'll ask around too.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "garbonzothebean"
> <craige@c...> wrote:
> > My progress (I hope posting here about my slow-going
> attempts to get
> > up and running is the right thing to do):
> >
> > I downloaded the mov-converter from winMPG. It came with
> very little
> > support or guidance and there were numerous things I had to
> choose
> > from that I am not familiar with, such as codec. I tried many
> > different combinations and kept coming up with errors.
> >
> > I then downloaded a similar program from River Past called
> Video
> > Cleaner:
> http://www.riverpast.com/en/prod/videocleaner/index.php
> > It has plenty of support and a good tutorial on exactly how to
> use
> > the program, with screen shots. However, the program kept
> saying that
> > my .mov files were not in a recognizable movie format. Argh!!!
> >
> > I am thoroughly frustrated that my Olympus' video function is so
> > difficult to use on my PC. I think my next step will be to try to
> > find evidence of others with the same camera discussing the
> video
> > function.
> >
> > -Craige

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/08/technology/circuits/08news.html
...
Andrew Nachison, director of the Media Center at the American Press Institute,
said that Webjay video playlists were "a fabulous example of remix society."

"It's an outgrowth of hip-hop and DJ culture," he added. "People aren't just
remixing music, they're remixing the news."
...

Great press, man!

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/08/technology/circuits/08news.html
> ...
> Andrew Nachison, director of the Media Center at the American Press Institute,
> said that Webjay video playlists were "a fabulous example of remix society."
>
> "It's an outgrowth of hip-hop and DJ culture," he added. "People aren't just
> remixing music, they're remixing the news."
> ...

:)

Amazing, amazing.

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Eric Rice wrote:

> Great press, man!
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/08/technology/circuits/08news.html
>> ...
>> Andrew Nachison, director of the Media Center at the American Press
Institute,
>> said that Webjay video playlists were "a fabulous example of remix society."
>>
>> "It's an outgrowth of hip-hop and DJ culture," he added. "People aren't just
>> remixing music, they're remixing the news."
>> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> > someone i work with said you can download free Avid editing software.
> > probably very simple but maybe like Imovie for Macs.
> > http://www.avid.com/freedv/
> > let us know if it works.
>
> It doesn't seem to be available right now - the download link goes to
> a "not found" page, and searching the site doesn't turn up anything
> useful.

Try downloading the free Avid again.
i just downlaoded their version for Mac.
http://www.avid.com/freedv/
it made me fill out annoying personal info(i make it up) before i can
download.
then it gave me a serial number to install it.
now it works.

avid is the industry standard for PC editing.
you may have to learn a little bit if youve never edited video on a
computer.
it looks like it has an export function to create small movies for the web.

plus its free.


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Does anyone know of any server side video optimizing software? I'm
trying to figure out how to optimize video's while travelling, and
the nicest option I can think of is doing it serverside. Other ideas
include taking my own software on the road, but I won't be carrying
a computer and I doubt internet cafe's will let me install
software...

Peter