hahahaha
i got the same thing!
but something just happened here.
you showed us what it looked like.
i think im going fucking crazy here.
right here.

Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@...>:

> I made a blog about your blog.
>
> http://nnon.tv/eric.mov
>
> This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical
> problem?
>
> I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see
on
> my screen.
>
> I¹m sure I¹m doing something wrong but don¹t know what.
>
> .shannon
>
>
> On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote:
>
> > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
> > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
> > How some of my videoblogs are made.
> > It was fun.
> > It was late.
> > That is all.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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companio
> > n.yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
> > *
> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>


--
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Manhattan Neighborhood Network
537 West 59th
NY NY 10019
212 757 2670 ext.312
www.mnn.org

hahahaha
i got the same thing!
but something just happened here.
you showed us what it looked like.
i think im going fucking crazy here.
right here.

Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@...>:

> I made a blog about your blog.
>
> http://nnon.tv/eric.mov
>
> This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical
> problem?
>
> I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see
on
> my screen.
>
> I’m sure I’m doing something wrong but don’t know what.
>
> .shannon
>
>
> On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote:
>
> > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
> > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
> > How some of my videoblogs are made.
> > It was fun.
> > It was late.
> > That is all.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >  
> >  ADVERTISEMENT
> >  
> >
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h0iqvo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/
D=grou
> >
> ps/S=1705554021:HM/EXP=1091420445/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://
companio
> > n.yahoo.com>  
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
> > *  
> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
> > *  
> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
> >
>
>
>

So let's recap. I videoblogged about videoblogging, and Shannon videoblogge=
d the error
with videoblog-videoblog. Man, I think my head is---BLAM.

Shit.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay Dedman <jay@m...> wrote:
> hahahaha
> i got the same thing!
> but something just happened here.
> you showed us what it looked like.
> i think im going fucking crazy here.
> right here.
>
> Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@n...>:
>
> > I made a blog about your blog.
> >
> > http://nnon.tv/eric.mov
> >
> > This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical
> > problem?
> >
> > I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I s=
ee
> on
> > my screen.
> >
> > I¹m sure I¹m doing something wrong but don¹t know what.
> >
> > .shannon
> >
> >
> > On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote:
> >
> > > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
> > > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
> > > How some of my videoblogs are made.
> > > It was fun.
> > > It was late.
> > > That is all.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > >
> > >  ADVERTISEMENT
> > >
> > >
> > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h0iqvo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176=
/
> D=grou
> > >
> > ps/S=1705554021:HM/EXP=1091420445/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/
/
> companio
> > > n.yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
> > > *
> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe=
>
> > > *
> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service=

> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jay Dedman
> Manhattan Neighborhood Network
> 537 West 59th
> NY NY 10019
> 212 757 2670 ext.312
> www.mnn.org

I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
How some of my videoblogs are made.
It was fun.
It was late.
That is all.

Eric


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What's broken is the mime type:
bash-2.05a$ HEAD http://eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mp4
200 OK
Content-Type: text/plain

MP4 mime type documented here:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt

The right mime type would be either video/mpeg or video/mpeg4-generic.

The fix is in the config for your web server.  Create a file called
.htaccess in your video directory and put this in it:
AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4


On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Eric Rice wrote:

> That happened to me, too, so I put the right click notice (or ctrl-click on=
> mac), Quicktime
> opens it fine outside of the browser.
>
> I even toyed with the extension, making it mpeg, and no luck. I thought mpe=
> g was
> supposed to be this all dandy thing. Screw it, I'll just make it .mov! ;-)
>
> But save it by ctrl-click to desktop and then open in quicktime. See if tha=
> t works.
>
> Eric
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn@n...> wrote:
>> I made a blog about your blog.
>>
>> http://nnon.tv/eric.mov
>>
>> This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical
>> problem?
>>
>> I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see=
> on
>> my screen.
>>
>> I¹m sure I¹m doing something wrong but don¹t know what.
>>
>> .shannon
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote:
>>
>>> I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
>>> http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
>>> How some of my videoblogs are made.
>>> It was fun.
>>> It was late.
>>> That is all.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>>
>>>  ADVERTISEMENT
>>>
>>> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h0iqvo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176=
> /
> D=grou
>>> ps/S=1705554021:HM/EXP=1091420445/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/
> /companio
>>> n.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
>>> *
>>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>> * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>>> *
>>> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
>>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

There are such beings, they love this movie:
http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/ascii/deep.htm

-- Sean

>I use to have this dream that there were beings that perceiveds the world in
ascii format.....so that if I took the ascii equivalent of a pornographic image
and printed it out that the recipient of such bombastulence could par take in
such a thing and then experience  orgasmic stimulation. RGB space would be
unnecessary.
>
>.s
>


--

To get a stream instead of a download, you want to pass the URL to the
renderer instead of the file.  A common way to do that is with a playlist
that contains the URL.

Create a file like called makemedia01.m4u containing this one line:
http://eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mp4

Then make sure the mime type is set correctly by adding this to .htaccess:
AddType .m4u video/vnd.mpegurl

(See http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/video/vnd-mpegurl for
documentation on that mime type.)

Lastly, point to your .m4u file instead of the .mp4 file.

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:
> I am greatly confused by the difference between the mp4 download vs. the
> .mov download and this is a great frustration. Naturally I want global
> access and return and immediate read/stream. So why does one format and
> browser show me immediate stream and another waits till the entire piece
> downloads as is such the case here. The mp4 file had to download completely
> and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I¹m using Safari for this. Oye. My
> head is spinning.

To get a stream instead of a whole file download, you want to pass the URL
to the renderer instead of the file.  A common way to do that is with a
playlist that contains the URL.

Create a file like called makemedia01.m4u containing this one line:
http://eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mp4

Then make sure the mime type is set correctly by adding this to .htaccess:
AddType .m4u video/vnd.mpegurl

(See http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/video/vnd-mpegurl for
documentation on that mime type.)

Lastly, point to your .m4u file instead of the .mp4 file.

>
> Walnut Creek? You live out that way? I¹m in Silver Lake near Hollywood. Nice
> piece.
>
> Shannon
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/31/04 10:55 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I haven't published it, but here's the MOV link: http://eric.blognews=
>> .com/
>> makemedia01.mov
>>
>> That probably works much better.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote:
>>>> That happened to me, too, so I put the right click notice (or ctrl-click =
>> on=
>>>>  mac), Quicktime
>>>> opens it fine outside of the browser.
>>>>
>>>> I even toyed with the extension, making it mpeg, and no luck. I thought m=
>> pe=
>>>> g was
>>>> supposed to be this all dandy thing. Screw it, I'll just make it .mov! ;-=
>> )
>>>>
>>>> But save it by ctrl-click to desktop and then open in quicktime. See if t=
>> ha=
>>>> t works.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn@n...> wrote:
>>>>>> I made a blog about your blog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nnon.tv/eric.mov
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical
>>>>>> problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I s=
>> ee=
>>>>  on
>>>>>> my screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I¹m sure I¹m doing something wrong but don¹t know what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .shannon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh!
>>>>>>>> http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html
>>>>>>>> How some of my videoblogs are made.
>>>>>>>> It was fun.
>>>>>>>> It was late.
>>>>>>>> That is all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ADVERTISEMENT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h0iqvo/
>> M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176=
>>>> /
>>>> D=grou
>>>>>>>> ps/S=1705554021:HM/EXP=1091420445/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/
>> *http:/
>>>> /companio
>>>>>>>> n.yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>>>>>>> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>>>>>>> * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe=
>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>>>>> Service=
>>
>>>>>>>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>>
>>  ADVERTISEMENT
>>
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>> n.yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/
>> *
>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>> *
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>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>>
>
>
>

Hi all,

A note by way of introduction...

I'm a BBC journalist and blogger (www.stuhughes.co.uk), based in
London.

Just over a year ago I was injured in a landmine accident in Iraq
(read the story at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3604659.stm and follow
the links back). Since then I've been blogging -- through text,
audio and video -- my recovery and return to work as a world
news producer.

Jay invited me to join this group and I'm interested to learn from
your vlogging work. I've experimented with vlogs from places such as
Iran and
Cambodia -- there's an index of them at
http://ss398.fusionbot.com/cgi-bin/ss_query?
keys=videoblog&sitenbr=137118990

As of next week I'll be blogging and vlogging from the Olympics in
Athens.

For the record I use a Sony PD150 and Panasonic NV-EX21 and edit
with Adobe Premiere 7.

On 28/07/2004, at 3:12 AM, Ryan Shaw wrote:

> Do any of you know of people doing revogging, i.e. creating videoblogs
> that are re-edits or remixes or even just clips + commentary of
> existing
> web content? I'm aware of Kenyatta's browseTV, Rich Persaud and Jon
> Udell's experiments with stream linking, and WebJay video playlists,
> but
> in general it seems that this genre of videoblog is underrepresented...
> Do you think this is this because of technical difficulties or a lack
> of
> interest in this approach?
>

it is technically quite easy to do, but you have to know what you're
doing :-) and then what to do with it. most of the work being done by
people on this list is what i'd characterise as straight forward video
work, the webbed equivalent of a distributed CNN meets reality TV. In
other words we're recording the daily in small bits. Partly this is
what draws us, partly this is where we begin from to learn how to
narrate/say in this medium. To then consider the web video equivalent
of collage works is partly technical, but also a very different
aesthetic.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 26/07/2004, at 3:40 PM, Jay Dedman wrote:

> if i understand correctly, i would love a tool that separated my video
> postrs from my text posts in my archives.
> though I love the format of blogs(linear, diary updates which is a way
> of
> unfolding a atory), my videos get lost in the archives.
>
> i dont know how this would be done, but i'd like this to happen
> somehow.

in movable type you can write custom archives. i'd put the embed tag in
one part of the data structure, for example what MT calls excerpt, that
way a custom rss feed could just take what is in the excerpt and you'd
have a feed that was only the video. you could then redesign the
default template so that if there was content in the excerpt, then
include it, and reserve that just for where you locate your video.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 26/07/2004, at 1:51 PM, petertheman wrote:

>> Of course I have dozens of other little clips floating
>> around in various posts. I'm hurting for a tool to
>> organize and catalog all of this video, without being
>> too time consuming. Maybe if I read the archives
>> you've already solved this problem. :-)
>
> Interesting. Are others hurting for this particular tool? I imagine
> something like a service that parses your (existing, so no work for
> you) RSS feed, catches movies in it (or in the posts referenced) and
> turns it into a variety of playlists/... that you can then put on
> your website. Comments?

i've just started lookinng to see how to write a custom rss feed from
my video blog that would include the video and a bit of relevant meta
data. unfortunately with teaching, kids, and the writing i'm supposed
to be doing there is little time for such experiments :-(

so, if someone wants to, i'll use it: movable type rss or rdf feed,
customised for only syndicating video and minor metadata...

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On 28/07/2004, at 9:21 AM, The Dane wrote:

> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Shaw <ryanshaw@S...>
> wrote:
>> Do any of you know of people doing revogging, i.e.
>> creating videoblogs that are re-edits or remixes
>> or even just clips + commentary of existing web content?
>
>
> One of my upcoming vidblog episodes (probably episode 39), coming in
> maybe a month will feature just this. I'll be utilizing footage from
> the Sixties. It's likely copyrighted, but hopefully, no one will
> hassle me about it (it's not like I'm making any sort of money from
> anything in my vidblogging adventures). Really, the only reason I've
> shied from utilizing pre-existing content is that its just plain
> easier to write an episode from scratch than to incorporate
> something already shaped and formed. The only way I can think of
> doing it in a manner that suits my audience is to completely tear
> the original work out of its original context :-) This should prove
> to be fun.
>

hi the Dane

there's probably an aesthetic and theoretical difference between
reusing old clips (the found and appropriated footage tradition) and
what I understood Ryan to be asking. He's asking more specfically not
about found footage but about work that reappropriates each others
footage.

I do think this is partly a question about the aesthetics of blogging
and vogging and one that will increasingly come to the fore as people
learn how they can do it. But at the moment a lot of the work is
dominated by a first person observational come participational
methodology, not that dissimilar to early blogs really.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles
<adrian.miles@r...> wrote:
> there's probably an aesthetic and theoretical
> difference between reusing old clips (the found
> and appropriated footage tradition) and what I
> understood Ryan to be asking. He's asking more
> specfically not about found footage but about
> work that reappropriates each others footage.


I think you're probably right. The difficulty is that there is so
little vidblog content currently available for revogging. I think we
may see more definitionally accepted revogging as archives grow and
flourish. Interestingly, Eric Rice's recent tutorial almost
accomplishes this - though technically, it's more two vidblogs
overlapping than an instance of revogging.

Pax,
The Dane

On 01/08/2004, at 4:10 PM, Shannon Noble wrote:

>
>  I am greatly confused by the difference between the mp4 download vs.
> the .mov download and this is a great frustration. Naturally I want
> global access and return and immediate read/stream. So why does one
> format and browser show me immediate stream and another waits till the
> entire piece downloads as is such the case here. The mp4 file had to
> download completely and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I’m using
> Safari for this. Oye. My head is spinning.
>
>

there isn't any difference. an mp4 is a particular file format as
ratified by the appropriate consortium. .mov is a file format used by
QuickTime. its liek the difference betwen rtf and doc, they're just
formats, both download just the same way.

difference in presentation: one is fast start, the other probably
isn't. fast start means key data at head of file so video can play
before all data downloaded. non fast start means this data is not at
head of file so entire file needs to be downloaded before it can play.

it isn't an issue at your end, but at the compression end.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Adrian Miles wrote:>
> On 01/08/2004, at 4:10 PM, Shannon Noble wrote:
>
>>
>>  I am greatly confused by the difference between the mp4 download vs.
>> the .mov download and this is a great frustration. Naturally I want
>> global access and return and immediate read/stream. So why does one
>> format and browser show me immediate stream and another waits till the
>> entire piece downloads as is such the case here. The mp4 file had to
>> download completely and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I’m using
>> Safari for this. Oye. My head is spinning.
>
> there isn't any difference. an mp4 is a particular file format as
> ratified by the appropriate consortium. .mov is a file format used by
> QuickTime. its liek the difference betwen rtf and doc, they're just
> formats, both download just the same way.
>
> difference in presentation: one is fast start, the other probably
> isn't. fast start means key data at head of file so video can play
> before all data downloaded. non fast start means this data is not at
> head of file so entire file needs to be downloaded before it can play.

It might also be that the browser had to download the whole mp4 file
before handing it off to the media player, which is an issue that comes up
when you use an external helper app versus a plugin.  That's why I wrote
up how to make a playlist containing just the URL of the mp4 file.

- Lucas


>
> it isn't an issue at your end, but at the compression end.
>
> cheers
> Adrian Miles
> .................................................................
> hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
> interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
> research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

On 02/08/2004, at 1:15 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:

> It might also be that the browser had to download the whole mp4 file
> before handing it off to the media player, which is an issue that
> comes up
> when you use an external helper app versus a plugin.  That's why I
> wrote
> up how to make a playlist containing just the URL of the mp4 file.

good point Lucas, I was showing my macintosh QT bias there since i use
the QT plugin to handle mpeg4 :-)

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
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interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

http://www.straughan.com/vlog/072704.htm

There has got to be an easier way...


best regards,
Deirdré Straughan

http://www.straughan.com

On 01/08/2004, at 2:17 AM, The Dane wrote:

> So okay, I don't know much about how Google goggles sites,
> but doesn't Flash already publish metadata along with each
> swf in its natively produced html? Isn't that why all the
> text I use in the swf appears in comments before the OBJECT
> call? Example:
>
>   <!--url's used in the movie:
>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging -->
>   <!--text used in the movie: vidblog tutorial discussion
>     metadata Lucas The Dane-->
>   <object classid=blahblahblah...
>
> Just echoing Deirdre in curiosity how Flash is more a black box than
> Quick, Real, or WMV. Do those formats have some sort of Google-
> readable data that Flash doesn't provide?

no, the metadata is standard metadata that is in the html page. things
like movable type write this automagically, on my site i added a pile
of dublin core metadata  to boot. google doesn't read qt metadata...

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

Welcome,
Nice blog, I'll be following it.

Any reason why you don't have comments enabled?

You asked on your blog:

"(By the way, can anyone convince me that the convention bloggers are
producing anything of lasting interest?)"

I videoblogged the DNC convention:

http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/

--Steve

On Aug 1, 2004, at 6:44 PM, stubie96 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A note by way of introduction...
>
> I'm a BBC journalist and blogger (www.stuhughes.co.uk), based in
> London.
>
> Just over a year ago I was injured in a landmine accident in Iraq
> (read the story at
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3604659.stm and follow
> the links back). Since then I've been blogging -- through text,
> audio and video -- my recovery and return to work as a world
> news producer.
>
> Jay invited me to join this group and I'm interested to learn from
> your vlogging work. I've experimented with vlogs from places such as
> Iran and
> Cambodia -- there's an index of them at
> http://ss398.fusionbot.com/cgi-bin/ss_query?
> keys=videoblog&sitenbr=137118990
>
> As of next week I'll be blogging and vlogging from the Olympics in
> Athens.
>
> For the record I use a Sony PD150 and Panasonic NV-EX21 and edit
> with Adobe Premiere 7.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <steve@o...>
wrote:
> Welcome,
> Nice blog, I'll be following it.
>
> Any reason why you don't have comments enabled?
>
> You asked on your blog:
>
> "(By the way, can anyone convince me that the convention bloggers
are
> producing anything of lasting interest?)"
>
> I videoblogged the DNC convention:
>
> http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/
>
> --Steve
>
> On Aug 1, 2004, at 6:44 PM, stubie96 wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A note by way of introduction...
> >
> > I'm a BBC journalist and blogger (www.stuhughes.co.uk), based in
> > London.
> >
> > Just over a year ago I was injured in a landmine accident in Iraq
> > (read the story at
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3604659.stm and
follow
> > the links back). Since then I've been blogging -- through text,
> > audio and video -- my recovery and return to work as a world
> > news producer.
> >
> > Jay invited me to join this group and I'm interested to learn from
> > your vlogging work. I've experimented with vlogs from places such
as
> > Iran and
> > Cambodia -- there's an index of them at
> > http://ss398.fusionbot.com/cgi-bin/ss_query?
> > keys=videoblog&sitenbr=137118990
> >
> > As of next week I'll be blogging and vlogging from the Olympics in
> > Athens.
> >
> > For the record I use a Sony PD150 and Panasonic NV-EX21 and edit
> > with Adobe Premiere 7.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ---------  [ Please Note ]  ---------
> If my email hosting service is rejecting your replies, please give
me a
> phone call.
>
> It's not you, it's them!

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles
<adrian.miles@r...> wrote:
> no, the metadata is standard metadata that
> is in the html page. things like movable
> type write this automagically, on my site i
> added a pile of dublin core metadata  to
> boot. google doesn't read qt metadata...


So then, really, there doesn't need to be any media standard so long
as the surrounding HTML is properly informatory? I hope this is the
case, because really, I think this is how The Net should be - we
don't want to artificially stagnate progress on the web by forcing
an unnatural standard (i.e., one that isn't a de facto standard).

Pax,
The Dane

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, The Dane wrote:

> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles
> <adrian.miles@r...> wrote:
>> no, the metadata is standard metadata that
>> is in the html page. things like movable
>> type write this automagically, on my site i
>> added a pile of dublin core metadata  to
>> boot. google doesn't read qt metadata...
>
>
> So then, really, there doesn't need to be any media standard so long
> as the surrounding HTML is properly informatory? I hope this is the
> case, because really, I think this is how The Net should be - we
> don't want to artificially stagnate progress on the web by forcing
> an unnatural standard (i.e., one that isn't a de facto standard).

But once you move the metadata from the QT object to the HTML, you're
using the standard.

- Lucas

Lucas Gonze wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, The Dane wrote:
>
>>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles
>><adrian.miles@r...> wrote:
>>
>>> no, the metadata is standard metadata that
>>> is in the html page. things like movable
>>> type write this automagically, on my site i
>>> added a pile of dublin core metadata  to
>>> boot. google doesn't read qt metadata...
>>
>> So then, really, there doesn't need to be any media standard so long
>> as the surrounding HTML is properly informatory? I hope this is the
>> case, because really, I think this is how The Net should be - we
>> don't want to artificially stagnate progress on the web by forcing
>> an unnatural standard (i.e., one that isn't a de facto standard).
>
> But once you move the metadata from the QT object to the HTML, you're
> using the standard.

I just wanted to point out that multimedia search engines do more than
look at the surrounding HTML--they also parse the media objects
themselves for embedded metadata and do some content analysis. Some
formats (WMV for instance) have hundreds of embedded metadata fields
defined. Others (Real) have hardly any. Content analysis (things like
extracting keyframes, looking at color distributions, etc.) can be very
difficult with things like Flash, because instead of a standalone movie
file to be analyzed you now have an application in which video is
embedded in some non-standard way. Trying to determine where the video
is involves decompiling the Flash application and parsing through the
source... yuck.

I agree that forcing a standard is a bad way to go, *but* there are
things to think about beyond image quality and download size. As Lucas
has pointed out, the situation now with multimedia on the web is like
the text web circa 1995--everyone is concerned with looking slick and
isn't really considering things like accessibility, searchability, etc.

Anyway, these really *shouldn't* be issues for end-users and content
creators to worry about, but until tool-builders get their acts together
and worry more about quality of experience and less about things like
DRM, they'll have to be in the backs of people's minds.

Ryan

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Shaw <ryanshaw@S...>
wrote:
> I just wanted to point out that multimedia search
> engines do more than look at the surrounding HTML--
> they also parse the media objects themselves for
> embedded metadata and do some content analysis.
> Some formats (WMV for instance) have hundreds of
> embedded metadata fields defined. Others (Real)
> have hardly any. Content analysis (things like
> extracting keyframes, looking at color distributions,
> etc.) can be very difficult with things like Flash,
> because instead of a standalone movie file to be
> analyzed you now have an application in which video
> is embedded in some non-standard way. Trying to
> determine where the video is involves decompiling
> the Flash application and parsing through the
> source... yuck.


Thanks Ryan. This was really the kind of answer I was looking for. I
wasn't aware that search engines could do that! It makes sense
though - in the same way that I accept that gravity sorta makes
sense. And you're right that this issue should not be the problem of
the end user or the content creator, but that of the tool-maker and,
I think, of the search masters (as I earlier suggested, I think that
this is something it behoove both Macromedia and Google to work
together on). In my experience, Macromedia's always been pretty good
at listening to the requests of their users, so perhaps I'll make
one more voice heard in their arena. Thanks again for the info.

Pax out,
The Dane.

Hello all! I was asked to join this group. I sometimes work on the
projects at http://writtorrent.sf.net

One of my utilities would come in handy for those wishing to vlog and
use BitTorrent to do it.

It would do the automatic blog posting via XML-RPC of a .torrent of a
file's info from your local machine.

You would still have to come up with:

- move movie to torrent-seeding location (dos move or linux mv)
- making a torrent (solved, command line utility)
- uploading the torrent to your blog hosting (solved, blogger.com and
others support "scp" secure copy (an ftp replacement using SSL))
- startup local torrent for seeding
- blog post with link to .torrent & details (my part)
- a script to combine all of the above (what we're talking about here)

Then, you could just execute that script against whatever... MPEG,
MOV, etc... It would move it into your BT folder, make a torrent
file, start seeding, upload the actual torrent to your hosting, and
then post a blog entry with the link to the .torrent.

Any handy shell scripting types available out there? My utilities use
very basic C#, so mono could run them on Linux.

All other utilities are equally or better in being cross platform.
All we would need is a set of scripts.

I'm finishing my Torrent2Blog utility, which opposed to
TorrentBlogger's Blogger API, uses the metaWeblog API compatible with
Radio and MT.

What all do you guys use? Do they support either the Blogger API or
the metaWeblog api?

Thanks,

Thomas

hi all

new work:
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vog_archive/000393.html

mouse into each of the video panes. there arre three simultaneous sound
tracks, mousing determines which you hear.

from the explanation at
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/vlog_archive/000394.html

The work discusses the three things that went on recently (thrombosis,
hard drive failure, sick children). Trouble usually travels in threes,
and of course the rule of thirds is also a simple photographic come
cinematographic rule of thumb (derived from the Golden Mean but that's
questionable mathematics) about decent composition.

The work is deliberately fragmentary. The video panes only run at 12fps
as I was seeking a stuttering, collaged mismatch between voice and
face. Stuttering as the condition of the network ("will it arrive?
where does that link take me?"), progress bars parading as interaction
to hide the fact of these stuttering fragments. This cinematic vog
practice is not wannabecinema. It lives and stalls on the network.

This vog is simple in design and execution, didn't take very long to
script (took me longer to get the iSight and QuickTime Broadcaster
happy), and continues the vogs continued insistence on exploring
vernacular interaction as a viable methodology for desktop video on the
web. The question or problem it poses is suitably simple: if you had a
video with three simultaneous soundtracks what would you narrate? How?
Why? I think I'm thin on answers, but thick on problems.


cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

hi all

new work:
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vog_archive/000393.html

mouse into each of the video panes. there arre three simultaneous sound
tracks, mousing determines which you hear.

from the explanation at
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/vlog_archive/000394.html

The work discusses the three things that went on recently (thrombosis,
hard drive failure, sick children). Trouble usually travels in threes,
and of course the rule of thirds is also a simple photographic come
cinematographic rule of thumb (derived from the Golden Mean but that's
questionable mathematics) about decent composition.

The work is deliberately fragmentary. The video panes only run at 12fps
as I was seeking a stuttering, collaged mismatch between voice and
face. Stuttering as the condition of the network ("will it arrive?
where does that link take me?"), progress bars parading as interaction
to hide the fact of these stuttering fragments. This cinematic vog
practice is not wannabecinema. It lives and stalls on the network.

This vog is simple in design and execution, didn't take very long to
script (took me longer to get the iSight and QuickTime Broadcaster
happy), and continues the vogs continued insistence on exploring
vernacular interaction as a viable methodology for desktop video on the
web. The question or problem it poses is suitably simple: if you had a
video with three simultaneous soundtracks what would you narrate? How?
Why? I think I'm thin on answers, but thick on problems.


cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/


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On 03/08/2004, at 1:09 PM, Shannon Noble wrote:

>  At least from what I can tell from the audio. I’m not getting a
> visual as QT is telling me I’m missing the proper compression but
> doesn’t say which.

my fault, used DivX mpeg 4 but seems that i didn't do it quite right.

stay tuned about to be fixed...

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/

hi all

the vog i sent (at
http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vog_archive/000393.html)

is now fine. you need qt6 as it uses mpeg 4.

does anyone have any experience usig the DivX codecs? i did some tests
and get it compressed to mpeg4 that seemed to work in qt6, but this
time round thye didn't... back to the test bench.

cheers
Adrian Miles
.................................................................
hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian
interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog
research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/