What preferred programs or settings do people have for converting MOV
files to WMV with best quality/lowest file size?

Rupert
http://www.fatgirlinohio.org/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/fatgirlinohio/

Isn't someone in this group part of this?

The first ever NTC Video Competition encourages creative minds - yes,
yours! - to use your passion for nonprofit work to produce videos,
animations, or mash-ups that inspire and ignite social change. The
contest is sponsored by NTEN and See3, a leading provider of new media
production and consulting services to nonprofits.

The theme? From the Ground Up: Everyday People Making Extraordinary
Change.


Contest Details

Guidelines

    1. The goal of the contest is to spread the word about how video
helps nonprofits achieve their mission.
    2. Priority will be given to submissions that showcase tangible,
real-life examples of how individuals can drive real-life change.
    3. Videos can be from a wide variety of issue and interest areas
that might include (but are not limited to) activism, environment,
education, disability, economic development, human services,
international development, health, and the arts.
    4. Submissions are subject to the contest rules.
    5. Film in any language! We welcome international submissions.

Winners

Everyone who enters is appreciated because by sharing your creativity
you're joining this global community of practitioners using technology
for social change.

YOU, the NTEN community will determine the winners through an online
voting process. All finalist videos will be screened at the 2007
Nonprofit Technology Conference (NTC) <http://www.nten.org/ntc/> in
April, where the prize winners will be announced. The Grand Prize
winner will receive an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2008 NTC in New
Orleans. All winning entries will be featured on our website following
the NTC.

Have fun and be creative - we're looking forward to your entries! If
you have any questions about the competition please email us.


How To Enter

     * Read the contest rules before you submit your video.
     * Create your video and submit it to an online video service - we
recommend http://dogooder.tv/. (You may also use other services such
as YouTube.com or Google Videos but make sure you understand their
Terms of Use.)
     * When uploading, please include the following tags: nptech, ntenvideo
     * Now take the specific URL for your clip and use it to fill out
our submission form
     * The deadline for submissions is March 5, 2007.



Photos from Ezalis and B.G. Johnson.


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> Heath wrote:
>
> makes me wonder has any vlogger done something put it out on the net
> and then said..."hmmm maybe I should not have done that" and then
> taken it down?

Back when I was vlogging every day for a short time in 2005, I posted
a video of my reaction to the first London bombings in 2005, which I
took down the next day because I was afraid it seemed to personal a
reaction, not profound enough to reflect the seriousness of what had
happened.  Also I didn't want to attract any anger from anyone, or to
be featured on the mass of "Citizen Journalists React" pieces that
the media went crazy with that week.  Some people who had received it
by feed wrote to me and told me that I shouldn't have taken it down,
that it had been a real reaction and that that was important.  And
then I regretted it, but didn't feel I could put it back up.  I
thought I'd lost all my old posts, because my hard drive went down,
but I just found them again on the Archive, so I might revlog some of
them.  Maybe I'll include that one.  There was one from the day
before, when Britain won the Olympics bid, which was a particular
favourite of mine, because it was so 'in the moment'.  Amazing how
the mood of the whole country changed in 24 hours.  I'm glad to have
a personal record of that.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

clicking on the "fun video" link.

I like worms. The kind that live in the ground or are raised on a
farm!! <http://www.wormman.com/> The creators of malicious code I just
don't understand.

<http://www.securecomputing.com/press_releases.cfm?p=irol-newsArticle&ID=968566>

The worm installs a component on a user's machine that analyzes all
network traffic via a layered service provider (LSP) integration and
dynamically modifies blog comments, discussion posts and webmail-based
emails as they are being posted by the user to include a link to the
malicious code, thereby propagating itself to other victims.

"This signifies a new trend in malware that is spread through blogs,
message boards and web-based email," said Dmitri Alperovitch,
Principal Research Scientist, Secure Computing. "And this threat is
particularly insidious in that anti-virus detection doesn't always
work. This threat utilizes server polymorphism, which means that it is
continuously being repackaged to make the binary appear different to
signature-based anti-virus solutions." With the executable file being
changed continuously, it easily sneaks below the radar of the leading
anti-virus programs, which are largely signature-based.

fyi... -andy


Position: Online Video Producer, NPR
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andy carvin
andycarvin at yahoo com
www.andycarvin.com

Hey folks,

The first Wreck & Salvage is up today:
http://wreckandsalvage.com

It features my first attempt at stop-motion.  Future episodes will be less
jerky.

Thanks for your support.

AQ

--
Adam Quirk
Wreck & Salvage
551.208.4644
Brooklyn, NY
http://wreckandsalvage.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Madman.  Brilliant madman.  Dark & funny as ever.  Stop motion,
that's a painful thing, eh?  Worth it, though.  Particularly when you
give inert pieces of plastic a character.  Congrats on the launch.

On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:40, Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage wrote:

Hey folks,

The first Wreck & Salvage is up today:
http://wreckandsalvage.com

It features my first attempt at stop-motion. Future episodes will be
less
jerky.

Thanks for your support.

AQ

--
Adam Quirk
Wreck & Salvage
551.208.4644
Brooklyn, NY
http://wreckandsalvage.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was contacted by Carter Harkins who founded a directory of
environmentally minded videos. He calls it a 'green youtube'.
He will be launching it in 2 months and is inviting video creators to
upload material. Since the creators of Galacticast were interested in
something similar, I thought I'd let them and everyone here know about
it. The Web address is http://planet2025.tv

Also I need to clarify that I am not part of this new enterprise, only
flattered by being contacted. Previously, I commented that, in my
opinion, filming anecdotal weather anomalies such as off-season snow in
Arizona and sunshine in Quebec, is not insightful and will be ripped
apart by people employed to do just this. The best illustration of this
is how AL Gore got ripped apart on CNN which showed his carbon
footprint is not consistent with his message on Oscar night.

Anyway, since people here have shown environmental awareness, beyond
our own lifestyles I think we can make a difference within our shows.
Mine has a very modest audience but I did make a video about the
greenhouse effect in the context of space, my show's topic. How about
you? Especially creators who make entertaining shows, and so have
larger audiences, couldn't you make a parody/comedy of global
warming/ice age/Oil industry execs. ?

Let the mayhem begin!

Schlomo
http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://webshots.com/is/spotlight
http://hatfactory.net
http://evilvlog.com


On 3/1/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage <quirk@...> wrote:
>
>   Hey folks,
>
> The first Wreck & Salvage is up today:
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
> It features my first attempt at stop-motion. Future episodes will be less
> jerky.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> AQ
>
> --
> Adam Quirk
> Wreck & Salvage
> 551.208.4644
> Brooklyn, NY
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Beth Kanter is working with NTC, I think.



Robyn Tippins

----

Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com | Intel.com/software

   _____

From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of bordercollieaustralianshepherd
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:28 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] A good contest for a good...



Isn't someone in this group part of this?

The first ever NTC Video Competition encourages creative minds - yes,
yours! - to use your passion for nonprofit work to produce videos,
animations, or mash-ups that inspire and ignite social change. The
contest is sponsored by NTEN and See3, a leading provider of new media
production and consulting services to nonprofits.

The theme? From the Ground Up: Everyday People Making Extraordinary
Change.

Contest Details

Guidelines

1. The goal of the contest is to spread the word about how video
helps nonprofits achieve their mission.
2. Priority will be given to submissions that showcase tangible,
real-life examples of how individuals can drive real-life change.
3. Videos can be from a wide variety of issue and interest areas
that might include (but are not limited to) activism, environment,
education, disability, economic development, human services,
international development, health, and the arts.
4. Submissions are subject to the contest rules.
5. Film in any language! We welcome international submissions.

Winners

Everyone who enters is appreciated because by sharing your creativity
you're joining this global community of practitioners using technology
for social change.

YOU, the NTEN community will determine the winners through an online
voting process. All finalist videos will be screened at the 2007
Nonprofit Technology Conference (NTC) <http://www.nten.
<http://www.nten.org/ntc/> org/ntc/> in
April, where the prize winners will be announced. The Grand Prize
winner will receive an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2008 NTC in New
Orleans. All winning entries will be featured on our website following
the NTC.

Have fun and be creative - we're looking forward to your entries! If
you have any questions about the competition please email us.

How To Enter

* Read the contest rules before you submit your video.
* Create your video and submit it to an online video service - we
recommend http://dogooder. <http://dogooder.tv/> tv/. (You may also use
other services such
as YouTube.com or Google Videos but make sure you understand their
Terms of Use.)
* When uploading, please include the following tags: nptech, ntenvideo
* Now take the specific URL for your clip and use it to fill out
our submission form
* The deadline for submissions is March 5, 2007.

Photos from Ezalis and B.G. Johnson.

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Dont short change yourself. The animation was great!

Looking forward to more episodes.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage"
<quirk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> The first Wreck & Salvage is up today:
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
> It features my first attempt at stop-motion.  Future episodes will
be less
> jerky.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> AQ
>
> --
> Adam Quirk
> Wreck & Salvage
> 551.208.4644
> Brooklyn, NY
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Not to dig up this old thread, but I've been pondering it the past few
days and wanted to add my thoughts

First, I'm sorry that you couldn't find any pertinent information on
DivX on DivX.com.  That's terrible and something we struggle with and
aim to fix.  DivX.com has become a hub of many things and often gets
overcrowded with too many things and the signal gets lost in the noise.

And that kid of also is a good way to explain a lot of the confusion
around DivX in general.  People get caught up in some of the smaller
subsets of what we do and spend hours debating features and formats
and miss the bigger picture.  And the bigger picture is this; DivX is
not a codec company.  We never have been.  Since day one our vision
was to build a platform and tools to empower content creators to
distribute their content and deliver a high quality experience to
their audience.  To achieve this goal we started with creating a high
quality experience with the video, hence the codec.  We then worked to
leverage that high quality experience on the PC and move it into the
living room where users want to watch their content.  I think the
question of why to use DivX comes down to experience.  What is the
focus of your vlog or content?  Is it a quick lean forward short form
content where a small 320x240 pixilated window will suffice?  Or do
you want a lean back experience where the user is immersed in the
content and they watch a much larger format if not full screen version
of your content.  When DivX was started we saw the shifts in
technology that would allow for a complete shift in media and the way
it was used.  First you saw, and continue to see, the cost lower of
tools to create the content.  You can now get an HD camera for less
than $1,000, something unheard of 10 years ago.  Then the software
side of things started to take off, with Avid, Final Cut etc becoming
available to help create this content.  Now you are seeing the
distribution side of things starting to come in.  Broadband access
reaching more homes in the US and catching up with other countries.
It's the culmination of these shifts in technology and the changing of
media that is our vision.  Shifting the power from the few to the
masses.  Creating a common media language that spans computer,
networks, the living room and beyond.  Creating a high quality open
platform that carries with it the vision of changing media for the
better is what DivX does.  We can discuss the finer details of
compression and the webplayer, but don't miss it for the bigger
picture.  Watching this new content in the living room is an amazing
shift in power.  Being able with a few clicks of my remote to bring up
the latest episode of Galacticast or JetSetShow on my TV changes
everything about how I consume media and share it with my friends.

If you are passionate about creating content, about your content,
about changing the media for the better, then you are with us and
should be talking with us.  We want to hear your ideas and input to
help realize this vision.  We've done well thus far (caution
gratuitous stats to follow) with our 250 Million downloads of our
software and over 70 Million hardware units shipped, but we have even
bigger things coming.

Sorry for the long post, I hope I didn't lose to many.  If you have
any questions please ask them, or feel free to contact me directly.
bcote@...


And if you are looking for a few Vloggers and content creators using
DivX here is a quick list of names you may or may not recognize:
http://commandn.typepad.com/
http://stage6.divx.com/GALACTICAST
http://www.jetsetshow.com/
http://stage6.divx.com/Geek_Entertainment_TV
http://hak5.org/
http://stage6.divx.com/Tiki_Bar_TV
http://labrats.tv/
http://stage6.divx.com/AskANinja
http://www.purepwnage.com/





--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> I feel a bit of a fool.   I was talking to somebody about vlogging
> and they were raving to me about the quality and compression of DivX.
>
> I don't know anything about DivX.  I don't feel that much wiser after
> reading up about it on Wikipedia, DivX.com etc
>
> I don't know any vloggers who use it, and can't remember seeing a
> DivX labelled feed, the way many people list QT, WMV and iPod feeds.
> Why do so few people use it, when it would appear to be very popular
> among P2P video sharers?
>
> Every conversation about which formats to use, always discusses QT,
> MP4, Windows Media and Flash?   When people talk about using Windows
> Media files, are they also assuming that DivX is under this banner,
> because Windows Media Player comes preinstalled with the DivX codec?
>
> And if so, why do people provide wmv files and feeds instead of divx,
> if DivX is so much better?  Or is it not?
>
> Yours confused
>
> Rupert
>

Hey, there is a difference between that and People like French Maid TV and
corporate people trying to cash in on the vlogging thing without
understanding it

when another videoblogger contacts me saying want to make a video with a
prompt? you have full freedom and will get paid, yeah I will do it. But
there is a big difference between making video and getting paid and selling
out

selling out is compromizing yourself for money, popularity, or recognition.
thanks

On 3/1/07, sull <sulleleven@...> wrote:
>
>   >
> > better that than a bunch of
> > hollywood/copporate vloggers trying to puch themselves upon me.
>
> ha. ok mister H&R<http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=365940205&size=o
> >
>
> On 2/28/07, Josh Leo <joshleo@... <joshleo%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > heck wisconsin is within driving distance! I will be there jsut to hang
> > out
> > with people and learn new things... better that than a bunch of
> > hollywood/copporate vloggers trying to puch themselves upon me.
> >
> > On 2/28/07, Charles Hope <charles@...
<charles%40blip.tv><charles%40blip.tv>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not really excited at the prospect of attending a Vloggercon which
> > > is engulfed and overwhelmed by a larger event, interesting in its own
> > > right and competing for my attention.
> > >
> > > Vloggercon 2007 should be quieter and more intimate, so that we can
> > > really talk and actually be heard.
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Josh Leo
> >
> > www.JoshLeo.com
> > www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sull
> http://vlogdir.com (a project)
> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog)
> http://interdigitate.com (otherly)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Josh Leo

www.JoshLeo.com
www.WanderingWestMichigan.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for your post.

What does 'open platform' actually mean?

You talk about people watching content from the web on their TV, and
this is indeed an important development. But theres a lot of
competition in this young area, and much variation in what
technologies are used. You are up against things like Apple TV, games
consoles like Xbox360 and PS3, mutations of older tech such as Tivo to
bring it into the net distribution age, on-demand offerings from cable
TV providers, various peer2peer video distribution services if they go
looking for hardware to plug the gap between TV and computer, mobile
devices that can hookup to the TV.

Now I assume much of DivX's history with device certification was for
DVD players, and hopefuly now includes some mobile devices. As burning
to pysical media doesnt sound like the best way to watch episodic
video content thats downloaded automatically via RSS of whatever, I
would hope/imagine that the future will include some companies
creating alternatives to the Apple TV, and some of those companies get
their device DivX certified.

DRM issues certainly confuse the wider picture. Most of the complaints
about Apple stuff isnt that the video or audio formats are
non-standard and closed, after all they are using Mpeg4 and H264, its
the content that is DRM controlld that creates compatibility woes. Im
one of those people that hopes DRM dies over time, and assuming that
DivX currently has no DRM system, this will be good for DivX as it
removes one thing the competing formats offer that DivX doesnt seem to?

Excuse my highly cynical nature but I see a lot of comapnies desperate
to prove they are something far more than their core business. In this
  day and age the word 'community' is connected to the perceived
expectations of investors - so of course you dont want to be a codec
company with the limited potential for growth that this implies, but
rather a huge chunk of the unfolding future web media thang. And at
the moment when few have worked out how to make large returns on their
web 2.,0 stuff, site viewing figures, how large the 'community' is,
become important benchmarks. Unfortunately for Divx your historical
community of users were using it for grey purposes which you couldnt
shout about, its no secret where DivX brand recognition came from, and
you've done an amazing job to create a business from those beginnings.
If useage of DivX on the web for legitimate purposes equalled its
dominance of the early video sharing scene, this conversation would
not need to happen at all, you would undisputedly have a huge amount
of territory in the new race. But as things stand, I feel you need to
find a way to somehow leapfrog ahead to the next stage, get a jump on
your competitiors. Because in a straight battle between DivX,
Microsoft, Apple, and everyone thats using mpeg4 or h264 in a standard
way, its unclear to me how DivX will fare.

I was out of date and only just discovered that microsoft have gotten
some standard for their VC-1 video part of .wmv, so other people can
use it in their products more easily. It will be interesting to see
how many 3rd parties decide to take up this opportunity. So this
brings me back to your comment about open platform, and my question
about what it actuall means. If I am doing hardware of software or
content and want to use mpeg4 or h264 or wmv in some way, I can go get
a license from whoever is looking after the patent pool (eg MPEG LA,
LLC). How does it work with DivX, also bearing in mind you make most
of your revenue through the certification of devices?

Cheers

Steve Elbows

  wrote:
>
> Not to dig up this old thread, but I've been pondering it the past few
> days and wanted to add my thoughts
>
> First, I'm sorry that you couldn't find any pertinent information on
> DivX on DivX.com.  That's terrible and something we struggle with and
> aim to fix.  DivX.com has become a hub of many things and often gets
> overcrowded with too many things and the signal gets lost in the noise.
>
> And that kid of also is a good way to explain a lot of the confusion
> around DivX in general.  People get caught up in some of the smaller
> subsets of what we do and spend hours debating features and formats
> and miss the bigger picture.  And the bigger picture is this; DivX is
> not a codec company.  We never have been.  Since day one our vision
> was to build a platform and tools to empower content creators to
> distribute their content and deliver a high quality experience to
> their audience.  To achieve this goal we started with creating a high
> quality experience with the video, hence the codec.  We then worked to
> leverage that high quality experience on the PC and move it into the
> living room where users want to watch their content.  I think the
> question of why to use DivX comes down to experience.  What is the
> focus of your vlog or content?  Is it a quick lean forward short form
> content where a small 320x240 pixilated window will suffice?  Or do
> you want a lean back experience where the user is immersed in the
> content and they watch a much larger format if not full screen version
> of your content.  When DivX was started we saw the shifts in
> technology that would allow for a complete shift in media and the way
> it was used.  First you saw, and continue to see, the cost lower of
> tools to create the content.  You can now get an HD camera for less
> than $1,000, something unheard of 10 years ago.  Then the software
> side of things started to take off, with Avid, Final Cut etc becoming
> available to help create this content.  Now you are seeing the
> distribution side of things starting to come in.  Broadband access
> reaching more homes in the US and catching up with other countries.
> It's the culmination of these shifts in technology and the changing of
> media that is our vision.  Shifting the power from the few to the
> masses.  Creating a common media language that spans computer,
> networks, the living room and beyond.  Creating a high quality open
> platform that carries with it the vision of changing media for the
> better is what DivX does.  We can discuss the finer details of
> compression and the webplayer, but don't miss it for the bigger
> picture.  Watching this new content in the living room is an amazing
> shift in power.  Being able with a few clicks of my remote to bring up
> the latest episode of Galacticast or JetSetShow on my TV changes
> everything about how I consume media and share it with my friends.
>
> If you are passionate about creating content, about your content,
> about changing the media for the better, then you are with us and
> should be talking with us.  We want to hear your ideas and input to
> help realize this vision.  We've done well thus far (caution
> gratuitous stats to follow) with our 250 Million downloads of our
> software and over 70 Million hardware units shipped, but we have even
> bigger things coming.
>
> Sorry for the long post, I hope I didn't lose to many.  If you have
> any questions please ask them, or feel free to contact me directly.
> bcote@...
>
>
> And if you are looking for a few Vloggers and content creators using
> DivX here is a quick list of names you may or may not recognize:
> http://commandn.typepad.com/
> http://stage6.divx.com/GALACTICAST
> http://www.jetsetshow.com/
> http://stage6.divx.com/Geek_Entertainment_TV
> http://hak5.org/
> http://stage6.divx.com/Tiki_Bar_TV
> http://labrats.tv/
> http://stage6.divx.com/AskANinja
> http://www.purepwnage.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> >
> > I feel a bit of a fool.   I was talking to somebody about vlogging
> > and they were raving to me about the quality and compression of DivX.
> >
> > I don't know anything about DivX.  I don't feel that much wiser
after
> > reading up about it on Wikipedia, DivX.com etc
> >
> > I don't know any vloggers who use it, and can't remember seeing a
> > DivX labelled feed, the way many people list QT, WMV and iPod
feeds.
> > Why do so few people use it, when it would appear to be very popular
> > among P2P video sharers?
> >
> > Every conversation about which formats to use, always discusses QT,
> > MP4, Windows Media and Flash?   When people talk about using Windows
> > Media files, are they also assuming that DivX is under this banner,
> > because Windows Media Player comes preinstalled with the DivX codec?
> >
> > And if so, why do people provide wmv files and feeds instead of
divx,
> > if DivX is so much better?  Or is it not?
> >
> > Yours confused
> >
> > Rupert
> >
>

If you are in the DC area, come have a drink with us.

When

Thursday, March 1, 2007

6:30 PM

Where

Childe Harold (restarant)

1610 20th Street, NW, upstairs
Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20009

Just a few steps from the north entrance to the Dupont Circle Metro stop.

So today in iTunes I opened up my Bullemhead feed to catch up on the videos
I hadn't enjoyed yet, and as chance would have it, I opened up a vid about a
hot tub which turned out to be a promo for Wreck and Salvage, a series which
begins today.  Looks interesting -- appears to star Ken (Barbies's
lover/boyfriend/husband/throwrug).  I believe it's at wreckandsalvage.com...

Harold


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Ahar in regards to TV I see theres a television that can stream DivX
content from a computer, which is an interesting start:

http://www.divx.com/products/hw/detail.php?p=363

Random and possibly rubbish thoughts on how DivX can increase its
territory in the new online video scene...

Obviously flash has become quite dominant for short video in the
browser stuff. DivX has a browser plugin to compete in this space now,
  need to get more sites/services using DivX as their technology of
choice. 4 reasons I can think of why Flash is used:

So many people already have it installed
Plenty of flash developers & long history of the technolgy, easy to
add custom features to flash player etc
Existence of software that can run on linux and windows servers and
convert other formats to flash files
Ability of flash to let users record from webcam straight to service,
without leaving browser. (may be more important in future, time will tell)

So anything DivX can do to offer similar abilities, increases chances
that others will use DivX on their websites. It will always be hard to
  match flashs install base, but you could make the divx browser less
annoying to install, and in the future maybe try to see if theres
alternative ways to install it through the browser. Dont know if
theres any scope for trying to get Firefox to help the cause somehow.
Dont know if you or anybody else already offer conversion tools that
can re-encode footage on linux servers.

And its still quite hard to tell which browser video player feature
innovations will catch on with the masses. I really like things like
http://crowdabout.us/ where people can leave comments at any point in
the videos timeline, and supports audio and video comments. In a
future where such things could be commonplace on very many websites,
does DivX want a slice of this pie or is the prospect of fighting
flash in this space too daunting?

Obviously Ive just focussed on the browser side of things with this
particular rant, the downloading, and watching on TV or other devices
side of things is more like a continuation of strategies you've
already been employing in recent years, certification etc. and as I
said before this arena is a bit stuck waiting for DRM issues, and just
how many non-DRM independent media producers will exist in future and
  what percentage of peoples viewing will be of that content. How long
will the big players continue to cling to DRM, how soon will enough
average consumers want to really use this stuff and start shouting
about interoperability issues when they see how messy things are? That
stuff has just begun, with ipod DRM an early test case. And I havent
even started waffling about what impact h264 and Microsoft VC-1 being
part of the HD-DVD and Blueray formats will have. Anyway Im off to
download some 720p DivX stuff to see what it looks like on my telly,
from what I remember you guys are certainly competitive on the quality
front. But at this stage of the game, as flash showed, quality is not
necessarily the most important factor.

Cheers

Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your post.
>
> What does 'open platform' actually mean?
>
> You talk about people watching content from the web on their TV, and
> this is indeed an important development. But theres a lot of
> competition in this young area, and much variation in what
> technologies are used. You are up against things like Apple TV, games
> consoles like Xbox360 and PS3, mutations of older tech such as Tivo to
> bring it into the net distribution age, on-demand offerings from cable
> TV providers, various peer2peer video distribution services if they go
> looking for hardware to plug the gap between TV and computer, mobile
> devices that can hookup to the TV.
>
> Now I assume much of DivX's history with device certification was for
> DVD players, and hopefuly now includes some mobile devices. As burning
> to pysical media doesnt sound like the best way to watch episodic
> video content thats downloaded automatically via RSS of whatever, I
> would hope/imagine that the future will include some companies
> creating alternatives to the Apple TV, and some of those companies get
> their device DivX certified.
>
> DRM issues certainly confuse the wider picture. Most of the complaints
> about Apple stuff isnt that the video or audio formats are
> non-standard and closed, after all they are using Mpeg4 and H264, its
> the content that is DRM controlld that creates compatibility woes. Im
> one of those people that hopes DRM dies over time, and assuming that
> DivX currently has no DRM system, this will be good for DivX as it
> removes one thing the competing formats offer that DivX doesnt seem to?
>
> Excuse my highly cynical nature but I see a lot of comapnies desperate
> to prove they are something far more than their core business. In this
>  day and age the word 'community' is connected to the perceived
> expectations of investors - so of course you dont want to be a codec
> company with the limited potential for growth that this implies, but
> rather a huge chunk of the unfolding future web media thang. And at
> the moment when few have worked out how to make large returns on their
> web 2.,0 stuff, site viewing figures, how large the 'community' is,
> become important benchmarks. Unfortunately for Divx your historical
> community of users were using it for grey purposes which you couldnt
> shout about, its no secret where DivX brand recognition came from, and
> you've done an amazing job to create a business from those beginnings.
> If useage of DivX on the web for legitimate purposes equalled its
> dominance of the early video sharing scene, this conversation would
> not need to happen at all, you would undisputedly have a huge amount
> of territory in the new race. But as things stand, I feel you need to
> find a way to somehow leapfrog ahead to the next stage, get a jump on
> your competitiors. Because in a straight battle between DivX,
> Microsoft, Apple, and everyone thats using mpeg4 or h264 in a standard
> way, its unclear to me how DivX will fare.
>
> I was out of date and only just discovered that microsoft have gotten
> some standard for their VC-1 video part of .wmv, so other people can
> use it in their products more easily. It will be interesting to see
> how many 3rd parties decide to take up this opportunity. So this
> brings me back to your comment about open platform, and my question
> about what it actuall means. If I am doing hardware of software or
> content and want to use mpeg4 or h264 or wmv in some way, I can go get
> a license from whoever is looking after the patent pool (eg MPEG LA,
> LLC). How does it work with DivX, also bearing in mind you make most
> of your revenue through the certification of devices?
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Elbows
>
>  wrote:
> >
> > Not to dig up this old thread, but I've been pondering it the past few
> > days and wanted to add my thoughts
> >
> > First, I'm sorry that you couldn't find any pertinent information on
> > DivX on DivX.com.  That's terrible and something we struggle with and
> > aim to fix.  DivX.com has become a hub of many things and often gets
> > overcrowded with too many things and the signal gets lost in the
noise.
> >
> > And that kid of also is a good way to explain a lot of the confusion
> > around DivX in general.  People get caught up in some of the smaller
> > subsets of what we do and spend hours debating features and formats
> > and miss the bigger picture.  And the bigger picture is this; DivX is
> > not a codec company.  We never have been.  Since day one our vision
> > was to build a platform and tools to empower content creators to
> > distribute their content and deliver a high quality experience to
> > their audience.  To achieve this goal we started with creating a high
> > quality experience with the video, hence the codec.  We then worked to
> > leverage that high quality experience on the PC and move it into the
> > living room where users want to watch their content.  I think the
> > question of why to use DivX comes down to experience.  What is the
> > focus of your vlog or content?  Is it a quick lean forward short form
> > content where a small 320x240 pixilated window will suffice?  Or do
> > you want a lean back experience where the user is immersed in the
> > content and they watch a much larger format if not full screen version
> > of your content.  When DivX was started we saw the shifts in
> > technology that would allow for a complete shift in media and the way
> > it was used.  First you saw, and continue to see, the cost lower of
> > tools to create the content.  You can now get an HD camera for less
> > than $1,000, something unheard of 10 years ago.  Then the software
> > side of things started to take off, with Avid, Final Cut etc becoming
> > available to help create this content.  Now you are seeing the
> > distribution side of things starting to come in.  Broadband access
> > reaching more homes in the US and catching up with other countries.
> > It's the culmination of these shifts in technology and the changing of
> > media that is our vision.  Shifting the power from the few to the
> > masses.  Creating a common media language that spans computer,
> > networks, the living room and beyond.  Creating a high quality open
> > platform that carries with it the vision of changing media for the
> > better is what DivX does.  We can discuss the finer details of
> > compression and the webplayer, but don't miss it for the bigger
> > picture.  Watching this new content in the living room is an amazing
> > shift in power.  Being able with a few clicks of my remote to bring up
> > the latest episode of Galacticast or JetSetShow on my TV changes
> > everything about how I consume media and share it with my friends.
> >
> > If you are passionate about creating content, about your content,
> > about changing the media for the better, then you are with us and
> > should be talking with us.  We want to hear your ideas and input to
> > help realize this vision.  We've done well thus far (caution
> > gratuitous stats to follow) with our 250 Million downloads of our
> > software and over 70 Million hardware units shipped, but we have even
> > bigger things coming.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post, I hope I didn't lose to many.  If you have
> > any questions please ask them, or feel free to contact me directly.
> > bcote@
> >
> >
> > And if you are looking for a few Vloggers and content creators using
> > DivX here is a quick list of names you may or may not recognize:
> > http://commandn.typepad.com/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/GALACTICAST
> > http://www.jetsetshow.com/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/Geek_Entertainment_TV
> > http://hak5.org/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/Tiki_Bar_TV
> > http://labrats.tv/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/AskANinja
> > http://www.purepwnage.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel a bit of a fool.   I was talking to somebody about vlogging
> > > and they were raving to me about the quality and compression of
DivX.
> > >
> > > I don't know anything about DivX.  I don't feel that much wiser
> after
> > > reading up about it on Wikipedia, DivX.com etc
> > >
> > > I don't know any vloggers who use it, and can't remember seeing a
> > > DivX labelled feed, the way many people list QT, WMV and iPod
> feeds.
> > > Why do so few people use it, when it would appear to be very
popular
> > > among P2P video sharers?
> > >
> > > Every conversation about which formats to use, always discusses
QT,
> > > MP4, Windows Media and Flash?   When people talk about using
Windows
> > > Media files, are they also assuming that DivX is under this
banner,
> > > because Windows Media Player comes preinstalled with the DivX codec?
> > >
> > > And if so, why do people provide wmv files and feeds instead of
> divx,
> > > if DivX is so much better?  Or is it not?
> > >
> > > Yours confused
> > >
> > > Rupert
> > >
> >
>

...and the series is actually titled Ornamental Concrete, and it's a
combination of stop-motion animation and other animated elements...it's
really fun to watch...

Harold again

On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
>
> So today in iTunes I opened up my Bullemhead feed to catch up on the
> videos I hadn't enjoyed yet, and as chance would have it, I opened up a vid
> about a hot tub which turned out to be a promo for Wreck and Salvage, a
> series which begins today.  Looks interesting -- appears to star Ken
> (Barbies's lover/boyfriend/husband/throwrug).  I believe it's at
> wreckandsalvage.com...
>
> Harold
>


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...oh, and it's probably not Ken...I plead ignorance on dolls, 'cept for the
Star Wars and G.I. Joe variety (though this *could* perhaps be
Joe)...regardless, this is really creative and you can sense all the time
and effort that went into the project...

Harold yet again

On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
>
> ...and the series is actually titled Ornamental Concrete, and it's a
> combination of stop-motion animation and other animated elements...it's
> really fun to watch...
>
> Harold again
>
> On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
> >
> > So today in iTunes I opened up my Bullemhead feed to catch up on the
> > videos I hadn't enjoyed yet, and as chance would have it, I opened up a vid
> > about a hot tub which turned out to be a promo for Wreck and Salvage, a
> > series which begins today.  Looks interesting -- appears to star Ken
> > (Barbies's lover/boyfriend/husband/throwrug).  I believe it's at
> > wreckandsalvage.com...
> >
> > Harold
> >
>
>


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...hilarious...that's my last message on this topic.

Harold end

On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
>
> ...oh, and it's probably not Ken...I plead ignorance on dolls, 'cept for
> the Star Wars and G.I. Joe variety (though this *could* perhaps be
> Joe)...regardless, this is really creative and you can sense all the time
> and effort that went into the project...
>
> Harold yet again
>
> On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
> >
> > ...and the series is actually titled Ornamental Concrete, and it's a
> > combination of stop-motion animation and other animated elements...it's
> > really fun to watch...
> >
> > Harold again
> >
> > On 3/1/07, Harold Johnson <harold.johnson@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > So today in iTunes I opened up my Bullemhead feed to catch up on the
> > > videos I hadn't enjoyed yet, and as chance would have it, I opened up a
vid
> > > about a hot tub which turned out to be a promo for Wreck and Salvage, a
> > > series which begins today.  Looks interesting -- appears to star Ken
> > > (Barbies's lover/boyfriend/husband/throwrug).  I believe it's at
> > > wreckandsalvage.com...
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> >
> >
>


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Thanks thats an interesting site :) I was rather interested in the
technology used to do the video & audio commenting at any point in the
timeline, and discovered it seems to be using innertoob/crowdaboutus:

http://www.innertoob.com/faq.htm

http://crowdabout.us/

Have we talked about these or similar services/features in the past at
all?

Im always interested in who actually runs environmental sites like
this one, it seems like Carter Harkins is involved with innertoob &
crowdabout.us, and so this site could be seen as a rel demonstartion
of their technology, in conjunction with various partners who are
interested in the environment, sustainability etc. My prediction is
that green etc issues are going to become so large that there will be
rather a lot of this stuff in future, I think a lot of it will be part
of every other area of our lives, so will also be talked about as part
of vlogs on other subjects, so I like your idea about people
mentioning this stuff in their shows that arent specifically green-themed.

I should disclose that Ive long thought of setting upa a site that
would be quite similar to that planet2025 site in some ways, although
as its me Ive never actually got round to doing it. But who knows at
some point I might, although lets hope its not another area where
there are almost more sites than there are people actively
contributing to them!

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jean-marc" <docp@...> wrote:
>
> I was contacted by Carter Harkins who founded a directory of
> environmentally minded videos. He calls it a 'green youtube'.
> He will be launching it in 2 months and is inviting video creators to
> upload material. Since the creators of Galacticast were interested in
> something similar, I thought I'd let them and everyone here know about
> it. The Web address is http://planet2025.tv
>
> Also I need to clarify that I am not part of this new enterprise, only
> flattered by being contacted. Previously, I commented that, in my
> opinion, filming anecdotal weather anomalies such as off-season snow in
> Arizona and sunshine in Quebec, is not insightful and will be ripped
> apart by people employed to do just this. The best illustration of this
> is how AL Gore got ripped apart on CNN which showed his carbon
> footprint is not consistent with his message on Oscar night.
>
> Anyway, since people here have shown environmental awareness, beyond
> our own lifestyles I think we can make a difference within our shows.
> Mine has a very modest audience but I did make a video about the
> greenhouse effect in the context of space, my show's topic. How about
> you? Especially creators who make entertaining shows, and so have
> larger audiences, couldn't you make a parody/comedy of global
> warming/ice age/Oil industry execs. ?
>

Another interesting element on the site... it looks like they are
setting up an ad network. I haven't had time to look through it too
much, but this is a really interesting idea.

JV

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks thats an interesting site :) I was rather interested in the
> technology used to do the video & audio commenting at any point in the
> timeline, and discovered it seems to be using innertoob/crowdaboutus:
>
> http://www.innertoob.com/faq.htm
>
> http://crowdabout.us/
>
> Have we talked about these or similar services/features in the past at
> all?
>
> Im always interested in who actually runs environmental sites like
> this one, it seems like Carter Harkins is involved with innertoob &
> crowdabout.us, and so this site could be seen as a rel demonstartion
> of their technology, in conjunction with various partners who are
> interested in the environment, sustainability etc. My prediction is
> that green etc issues are going to become so large that there will be
> rather a lot of this stuff in future, I think a lot of it will be part
> of every other area of our lives, so will also be talked about as part
> of vlogs on other subjects, so I like your idea about people
> mentioning this stuff in their shows that arent specifically
green-themed.
>
> I should disclose that Ive long thought of setting upa a site that
> would be quite similar to that planet2025 site in some ways, although
> as its me Ive never actually got round to doing it. But who knows at
> some point I might, although lets hope its not another area where
> there are almost more sites than there are people actively
> contributing to them!
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Elbows
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jean-marc" <docp@> wrote:
> >
> > I was contacted by Carter Harkins who founded a directory of
> > environmentally minded videos. He calls it a 'green youtube'.
> > He will be launching it in 2 months and is inviting video creators to
> > upload material. Since the creators of Galacticast were interested in
> > something similar, I thought I'd let them and everyone here know
about
> > it. The Web address is http://planet2025.tv
> >
> > Also I need to clarify that I am not part of this new enterprise,
only
> > flattered by being contacted. Previously, I commented that, in my
> > opinion, filming anecdotal weather anomalies such as off-season
snow in
> > Arizona and sunshine in Quebec, is not insightful and will be ripped
> > apart by people employed to do just this. The best illustration of
this
> > is how AL Gore got ripped apart on CNN which showed his carbon
> > footprint is not consistent with his message on Oscar night.
> >
> > Anyway, since people here have shown environmental awareness, beyond
> > our own lifestyles I think we can make a difference within our shows.
> > Mine has a very modest audience but I did make a video about the
> > greenhouse effect in the context of space, my show's topic. How about
> > you? Especially creators who make entertaining shows, and so have
> > larger audiences, couldn't you make a parody/comedy of global
> > warming/ice age/Oil industry execs. ?
> >
>

Open platform means you don’t have to buy an apple product to play the
content you purchased.  We aren’t a closed system.  You can buy a Sony
DVD player, a Philips portable player,  a Pioneer in car receiver, an
HP TV, a Samsung phone.  We want to open up the choices that the user
has as to where they can enjoy their media.  The DivX history of
hardware devices has always been across the board in all sorts of
devices, but as you assumed with a large bulk of that in the DVD
market.  And also as you guessed, but may not have known, we have
future products and technologies
(http://www.divx.com/company/partner/connected.php) that allows for
your content to seamlessly move from the computer to the television
without having to have a computer in the living room.  Notice when I
said I watched all this great new content with a couple of button
presses on my remote I never mentioned transferring any content to any
CD or DVD.

As to the DRM question I am firmly with you in your hopes of DRM dying
in the future.  But again its about providing tools to those that
create the content. There are still those content creators that want
their content protected with DRM and thus the tools are available to
them.  I’d like to see the independent content creators begin to buck
the trend and sell their content without DRM and show the marketplace
what their options really are.

For the licensing side of things its very straight forward.  DivX is
MPEG4 so the same process of licensing through the patent pool is in
place.  But again I’m trying to stress this.  Don’t overlook the
forest for the trees.  Your quote of  “everyone that’s using mpeg4 or
h264 in a standard
way” is the problem.  No one is using it in a standard way and thus
the reason for the DivX Certified program.  If you see MPEG4 on a
device is it simple profile? Advanced simple profile?   Are feature
XYZ supported?  It’s about the experience.  We want the process and
experience of creating and distributing and playing media to be
better; better than it is today.  Questions like those mentioned don’t
make it better for the end user and don’t make it better for the
content creator.  I understand your cynicism.  Its hard to see where
the future is going and what motivations are leading it.

Hope that answers your questions a little further

Ben…



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your post.
>
> What does 'open platform' actually mean?
>
> You talk about people watching content from the web on their TV, and
> this is indeed an important development. But theres a lot of
> competition in this young area, and much variation in what
> technologies are used. You are up against things like Apple TV, games
> consoles like Xbox360 and PS3, mutations of older tech such as Tivo to
> bring it into the net distribution age, on-demand offerings from cable
> TV providers, various peer2peer video distribution services if they go
> looking for hardware to plug the gap between TV and computer, mobile
> devices that can hookup to the TV.
>
> Now I assume much of DivX's history with device certification was for
> DVD players, and hopefuly now includes some mobile devices. As burning
> to pysical media doesnt sound like the best way to watch episodic
> video content thats downloaded automatically via RSS of whatever, I
> would hope/imagine that the future will include some companies
> creating alternatives to the Apple TV, and some of those companies get
> their device DivX certified.
>
> DRM issues certainly confuse the wider picture. Most of the complaints
> about Apple stuff isnt that the video or audio formats are
> non-standard and closed, after all they are using Mpeg4 and H264, its
> the content that is DRM controlld that creates compatibility woes. Im
> one of those people that hopes DRM dies over time, and assuming that
> DivX currently has no DRM system, this will be good for DivX as it
> removes one thing the competing formats offer that DivX doesnt seem to?
>
> Excuse my highly cynical nature but I see a lot of comapnies desperate
> to prove they are something far more than their core business. In this
>  day and age the word 'community' is connected to the perceived
> expectations of investors - so of course you dont want to be a codec
> company with the limited potential for growth that this implies, but
> rather a huge chunk of the unfolding future web media thang. And at
> the moment when few have worked out how to make large returns on their
> web 2.,0 stuff, site viewing figures, how large the 'community' is,
> become important benchmarks. Unfortunately for Divx your historical
> community of users were using it for grey purposes which you couldnt
> shout about, its no secret where DivX brand recognition came from, and
> you've done an amazing job to create a business from those beginnings.
> If useage of DivX on the web for legitimate purposes equalled its
> dominance of the early video sharing scene, this conversation would
> not need to happen at all, you would undisputedly have a huge amount
> of territory in the new race. But as things stand, I feel you need to
> find a way to somehow leapfrog ahead to the next stage, get a jump on
> your competitiors. Because in a straight battle between DivX,
> Microsoft, Apple, and everyone thats using mpeg4 or h264 in a standard
> way, its unclear to me how DivX will fare.
>
> I was out of date and only just discovered that microsoft have gotten
> some standard for their VC-1 video part of .wmv, so other people can
> use it in their products more easily. It will be interesting to see
> how many 3rd parties decide to take up this opportunity. So this
> brings me back to your comment about open platform, and my question
> about what it actuall means. If I am doing hardware of software or
> content and want to use mpeg4 or h264 or wmv in some way, I can go get
> a license from whoever is looking after the patent pool (eg MPEG LA,
> LLC). How does it work with DivX, also bearing in mind you make most
> of your revenue through the certification of devices?
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Elbows
>
>  wrote:
> >
> > Not to dig up this old thread, but I've been pondering it the past few
> > days and wanted to add my thoughts
> >
> > First, I'm sorry that you couldn't find any pertinent information on
> > DivX on DivX.com.  That's terrible and something we struggle with and
> > aim to fix.  DivX.com has become a hub of many things and often gets
> > overcrowded with too many things and the signal gets lost in the
noise.
> >
> > And that kid of also is a good way to explain a lot of the confusion
> > around DivX in general.  People get caught up in some of the smaller
> > subsets of what we do and spend hours debating features and formats
> > and miss the bigger picture.  And the bigger picture is this; DivX is
> > not a codec company.  We never have been.  Since day one our vision
> > was to build a platform and tools to empower content creators to
> > distribute their content and deliver a high quality experience to
> > their audience.  To achieve this goal we started with creating a high
> > quality experience with the video, hence the codec.  We then worked to
> > leverage that high quality experience on the PC and move it into the
> > living room where users want to watch their content.  I think the
> > question of why to use DivX comes down to experience.  What is the
> > focus of your vlog or content?  Is it a quick lean forward short form
> > content where a small 320x240 pixilated window will suffice?  Or do
> > you want a lean back experience where the user is immersed in the
> > content and they watch a much larger format if not full screen version
> > of your content.  When DivX was started we saw the shifts in
> > technology that would allow for a complete shift in media and the way
> > it was used.  First you saw, and continue to see, the cost lower of
> > tools to create the content.  You can now get an HD camera for less
> > than $1,000, something unheard of 10 years ago.  Then the software
> > side of things started to take off, with Avid, Final Cut etc becoming
> > available to help create this content.  Now you are seeing the
> > distribution side of things starting to come in.  Broadband access
> > reaching more homes in the US and catching up with other countries.
> > It's the culmination of these shifts in technology and the changing of
> > media that is our vision.  Shifting the power from the few to the
> > masses.  Creating a common media language that spans computer,
> > networks, the living room and beyond.  Creating a high quality open
> > platform that carries with it the vision of changing media for the
> > better is what DivX does.  We can discuss the finer details of
> > compression and the webplayer, but don't miss it for the bigger
> > picture.  Watching this new content in the living room is an amazing
> > shift in power.  Being able with a few clicks of my remote to bring up
> > the latest episode of Galacticast or JetSetShow on my TV changes
> > everything about how I consume media and share it with my friends.
> >
> > If you are passionate about creating content, about your content,
> > about changing the media for the better, then you are with us and
> > should be talking with us.  We want to hear your ideas and input to
> > help realize this vision.  We've done well thus far (caution
> > gratuitous stats to follow) with our 250 Million downloads of our
> > software and over 70 Million hardware units shipped, but we have even
> > bigger things coming.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post, I hope I didn't lose to many.  If you have
> > any questions please ask them, or feel free to contact me directly.
> > bcote@
> >
> >
> > And if you are looking for a few Vloggers and content creators using
> > DivX here is a quick list of names you may or may not recognize:
> > http://commandn.typepad.com/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/GALACTICAST
> > http://www.jetsetshow.com/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/Geek_Entertainment_TV
> > http://hak5.org/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/Tiki_Bar_TV
> > http://labrats.tv/
> > http://stage6.divx.com/AskANinja
> > http://www.purepwnage.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel a bit of a fool.   I was talking to somebody about vlogging
> > > and they were raving to me about the quality and compression of
DivX.
> > >
> > > I don't know anything about DivX.  I don't feel that much wiser
> after
> > > reading up about it on Wikipedia, DivX.com etc
> > >
> > > I don't know any vloggers who use it, and can't remember seeing a
> > > DivX labelled feed, the way many people list QT, WMV and iPod
> feeds.
> > > Why do so few people use it, when it would appear to be very
popular
> > > among P2P video sharers?
> > >
> > > Every conversation about which formats to use, always discusses
QT,
> > > MP4, Windows Media and Flash?   When people talk about using
Windows
> > > Media files, are they also assuming that DivX is under this
banner,
> > > because Windows Media Player comes preinstalled with the DivX codec?
> > >
> > > And if so, why do people provide wmv files and feeds instead of
> divx,
> > > if DivX is so much better?  Or is it not?
> > >
> > > Yours confused
> > >
> > > Rupert
> > >
> >
>

Plastic crotch shots. Oh my eyes! My eyes!

Seriously funny. Can't wait for more

If you ever want someone to sew up outfits let me know. I specialize
in felt and pleather. But, it is funnier that they're naked.

Grace


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Quirk, Wreck & Salvage"
<quirk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> The first Wreck & Salvage is up today:
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
> It features my first attempt at stop-motion.  Future episodes will
be less
> jerky.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> AQ
>
> --
> Adam Quirk
> Wreck & Salvage
> 551.208.4644
> Brooklyn, NY
> http://wreckandsalvage.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

So, I'm using a Sony digital camera to shoot video on the video
setting. It comes out as MPG format. Mac's hate MPG, so I'm using
Visual Hub to transform it into DV or MOV format.

No matter WHAT I do, when it transfers, I lose the audio sync. When I
look at the native MPG file in the little preview window, it's sync-ed
up fine.

What am I doing wrong?

--Chris Brogan...
Network2.tv , who otherwise likes the camera.

I'll be returning to my home soils in the Bay Area for about a week.
I'll be stopping by the VON conference to do some urban reporting....
Who's going?  Maybe we'll shoot an episode.

Peace

Thanks, that makes sense. I certainly agree that there are numerous
differnt profiles of mpeg4 and h264 which are confusing to people. If
someone came along and wrapped up a series of mpeg4/h264 profile,
resolution, bitrate etc specs, and gave them nice straightforward
names and logos to go with them, then this would be similar to what
you offer with your easier to understand, certifiable DivX stuff?

Where I consistently remain confused is exactly how DivX fits into the
mpeg4 picture. All the good work that DivX does by creating a set of
standards, is spoilt for me if these arent cross-compatible with what
everyone else is doing with mpeg4. It irks me that suggestions are
repeatedly made that Apple and others are using mpeg4 in some twisted
way, when its actually their DRM systems that are the problem. In
areas like file format wrapper, it is they who stick to the mpeg
standard, for example Apple deserve some praise for not trying to be
overprotective and keep ipod & itunes mpeg4 in a .mov container rather
than embracing the .mp4 standard (alhough they loose brownie points
for the silly .m4v extension).

And its the DRM issue that makes people have to buy an apple product
to play the content they buy from itunes. If DRM dies then a device
manufacturer will have no problems making hardware that can play
ipod/itunes videos, the consumer may not be able to navigate the
minefile dof peg profile complexities but the device manufacturers
could, if only the DRM issue did not stand in the way.

So, are there many places on the net I can buy stuff in DivX format?
If not then I find comparisons on this front between yourselves and
Apple to be disingenuous, as you arent burdened witht he DRM issues,
and its easy to be an open system when you dont have to worry about
that. I repeat that itunes and microsoft and other equivalents, are
closed systems only in terms of the DRM, and that other aspects such
as the actual video codec are quite open enough for 3rd parties to
work with. So for independent content creators who are not worried
about DRM, and for consumers wanting to watch such stuff, how is DivX
more open than wmv or mp4 or flash?

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Cote289" <cote289@...> wrote:
>
> Open platform means you don’t have to buy an apple product to play the
> content you purchased.  We aren’t a closed system.  You can buy a Sony
> DVD player, a Philips portable player,  a Pioneer in car receiver, an
> HP TV, a Samsung phone.  We want to open up the choices that the user
> has as to where they can enjoy their media.  The DivX history of
> hardware devices has always been across the board in all sorts of
> devices, but as you assumed with a large bulk of that in the DVD
> market.  And also as you guessed, but may not have known, we have
> future products and technologies
> (http://www.divx.com/company/partner/connected.php) that allows for
> your content to seamlessly move from the computer to the television
> without having to have a computer in the living room.  Notice when I
> said I watched all this great new content with a couple of button
> presses on my remote I never mentioned transferring any content to any
> CD or DVD.
>
> As to the DRM question I am firmly with you in your hopes of DRM dying
> in the future.  But again its about providing tools to those that
> create the content. There are still those content creators that want
> their content protected with DRM and thus the tools are available to
> them.  I’d like to see the independent content creators begin to buck
> the trend and sell their content without DRM and show the marketplace
> what their options really are.
>
> For the licensing side of things its very straight forward.  DivX is
> MPEG4 so the same process of licensing through the patent pool is in
> place.  But again I’m trying to stress this.  Don’t overlook the
> forest for the trees.  Your quote of  “everyone that’s using
mpeg4 or
> h264 in a standard
> way” is the problem.  No one is using it in a standard way and thus
> the reason for the DivX Certified program.  If you see MPEG4 on a
> device is it simple profile? Advanced simple profile?   Are feature
> XYZ supported?  It’s about the experience.  We want the process and
> experience of creating and distributing and playing media to be
> better; better than it is today.  Questions like those mentioned don’t
> make it better for the end user and don’t make it better for the
> content creator.  I understand your cynicism.  Its hard to see where
> the future is going and what motivations are leading it.
>
> Hope that answers your questions a little further
>
> Ben…
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your post.
> >
> > What does 'open platform' actually mean?
> >
> > You talk about people watching content from the web on their TV, and
> > this is indeed an important development. But theres a lot of
> > competition in this young area, and much variation in what
> > technologies are used. You are up against things like Apple TV, games
> > consoles like Xbox360 and PS3, mutations of older tech such as Tivo to
> > bring it into the net distribution age, on-demand offerings from cable
> > TV providers, various peer2peer video distribution services if they go
> > looking for hardware to plug the gap between TV and computer, mobile
> > devices that can hookup to the TV.
> >
> > Now I assume much of DivX's history with device certification was for
> > DVD players, and hopefuly now includes some mobile devices. As burning
> > to pysical media doesnt sound like the best way to watch episodic
> > video content thats downloaded automatically via RSS of whatever, I
> > would hope/imagine that the future will include some companies
> > creating alternatives to the Apple TV, and some of those companies get
> > their device DivX certified.
> >
> > DRM issues certainly confuse the wider picture. Most of the complaints
> > about Apple stuff isnt that the video or audio formats are
> > non-standard and closed, after all they are using Mpeg4 and H264, its
> > the content that is DRM controlld that creates compatibility woes. Im
> > one of those people that hopes DRM dies over time, and assuming that
> > DivX currently has no DRM system, this will be good for DivX as it
> > removes one thing the competing formats offer that DivX doesnt
seem to?
> >
> > Excuse my highly cynical nature but I see a lot of comapnies desperate
> > to prove they are something far more than their core business. In this
> >  day and age the word 'community' is connected to the perceived
> > expectations of investors - so of course you dont want to be a codec
> > company with the limited potential for growth that this implies, but
> > rather a huge chunk of the unfolding future web media thang. And at
> > the moment when few have worked out how to make large returns on their
> > web 2.,0 stuff, site viewing figures, how large the 'community' is,
> > become important benchmarks. Unfortunately for Divx your historical
> > community of users were using it for grey purposes which you couldnt
> > shout about, its no secret where DivX brand recognition came from, and
> > you've done an amazing job to create a business from those beginnings.
> > If useage of DivX on the web for legitimate purposes equalled its
> > dominance of the early video sharing scene, this conversation would
> > not need to happen at all, you would undisputedly have a huge amount
> > of territory in the new race. But as things stand, I feel you need to
> > find a way to somehow leapfrog ahead to the next stage, get a jump on
> > your competitiors. Because in a straight battle between DivX,
> > Microsoft, Apple, and everyone thats using mpeg4 or h264 in a standard
> > way, its unclear to me how DivX will fare.
> >
> > I was out of date and only just discovered that microsoft have gotten
> > some standard for their VC-1 video part of .wmv, so other people can
> > use it in their products more easily. It will be interesting to see
> > how many 3rd parties decide to take up this opportunity. So this
> > brings me back to your comment about open platform, and my question
> > about what it actuall means. If I am doing hardware of software or
> > content and want to use mpeg4 or h264 or wmv in some way, I can go get
> > a license from whoever is looking after the patent pool (eg MPEG LA,
> > LLC). How does it work with DivX, also bearing in mind you make most
> > of your revenue through the certification of devices?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve Elbows
> >
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not to dig up this old thread, but I've been pondering it the
past few
> > > days and wanted to add my thoughts
> > >
> > > First, I'm sorry that you couldn't find any pertinent information on
> > > DivX on DivX.com.  That's terrible and something we struggle
with and
> > > aim to fix.  DivX.com has become a hub of many things and often gets
> > > overcrowded with too many things and the signal gets lost in the
> noise.
> > >
> > > And that kid of also is a good way to explain a lot of the confusion
> > > around DivX in general.  People get caught up in some of the smaller
> > > subsets of what we do and spend hours debating features and formats
> > > and miss the bigger picture.  And the bigger picture is this;
DivX is
> > > not a codec company.  We never have been.  Since day one our vision
> > > was to build a platform and tools to empower content creators to
> > > distribute their content and deliver a high quality experience to
> > > their audience.  To achieve this goal we started with creating a
high
> > > quality experience with the video, hence the codec.  We then
worked to
> > > leverage that high quality experience on the PC and move it into the
> > > living room where users want to watch their content.  I think the
> > > question of why to use DivX comes down to experience.  What is the
> > > focus of your vlog or content?  Is it a quick lean forward short
form
> > > content where a small 320x240 pixilated window will suffice?  Or do
> > > you want a lean back experience where the user is immersed in the
> > > content and they watch a much larger format if not full screen
version
> > > of your content.  When DivX was started we saw the shifts in
> > > technology that would allow for a complete shift in media and
the way
> > > it was used.  First you saw, and continue to see, the cost lower of
> > > tools to create the content.  You can now get an HD camera for less
> > > than $1,000, something unheard of 10 years ago.  Then the software
> > > side of things started to take off, with Avid, Final Cut etc
becoming
> > > available to help create this content.  Now you are seeing the
> > > distribution side of things starting to come in.  Broadband access
> > > reaching more homes in the US and catching up with other countries.
> > > It's the culmination of these shifts in technology and the
changing of
> > > media that is our vision.  Shifting the power from the few to the
> > > masses.  Creating a common media language that spans computer,
> > > networks, the living room and beyond.  Creating a high quality open
> > > platform that carries with it the vision of changing media for the
> > > better is what DivX does.  We can discuss the finer details of
> > > compression and the webplayer, but don't miss it for the bigger
> > > picture.  Watching this new content in the living room is an amazing
> > > shift in power.  Being able with a few clicks of my remote to
bring up
> > > the latest episode of Galacticast or JetSetShow on my TV changes
> > > everything about how I consume media and share it with my friends.
> > >
> > > If you are passionate about creating content, about your content,
> > > about changing the media for the better, then you are with us and
> > > should be talking with us.  We want to hear your ideas and input to
> > > help realize this vision.  We've done well thus far (caution
> > > gratuitous stats to follow) with our 250 Million downloads of our
> > > software and over 70 Million hardware units shipped, but we have
even
> > > bigger things coming.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the long post, I hope I didn't lose to many.  If you have
> > > any questions please ask them, or feel free to contact me directly.
> > > bcote@
> > >
> > >
> > > And if you are looking for a few Vloggers and content creators using
> > > DivX here is a quick list of names you may or may not recognize:
> > > http://commandn.typepad.com/
> > > http://stage6.divx.com/GALACTICAST
> > > http://www.jetsetshow.com/
> > > http://stage6.divx.com/Geek_Entertainment_TV
> > > http://hak5.org/
> > > http://stage6.divx.com/Tiki_Bar_TV
> > > http://labrats.tv/
> > > http://stage6.divx.com/AskANinja
> > > http://www.purepwnage.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <rupert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I feel a bit of a fool.   I was talking to somebody about
vlogging
> > > > and they were raving to me about the quality and compression of
> DivX.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know anything about DivX.  I don't feel that much wiser
> > after
> > > > reading up about it on Wikipedia, DivX.com etc
> > > >
> > > > I don't know any vloggers who use it, and can't remember
seeing a
> > > > DivX labelled feed, the way many people list QT, WMV and iPod
> > feeds.
> > > > Why do so few people use it, when it would appear to be very
> popular
> > > > among P2P video sharers?
> > > >
> > > > Every conversation about which formats to use, always discusses
> QT,
> > > > MP4, Windows Media and Flash?   When people talk about using
> Windows
> > > > Media files, are they also assuming that DivX is under this
> banner,
> > > > because Windows Media Player comes preinstalled with the DivX
codec?
> > > >
> > > > And if so, why do people provide wmv files and feeds instead of
> > divx,
> > > > if DivX is so much better?  Or is it not?
> > > >
> > > > Yours confused
> > > >
> > > > Rupert
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

your not useing ffmpeg thats the problim.


>From: "[chrisbrogan.com]" <group@...>
>Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [videoblogging] Dammit- What am I doing wrong?
>Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:57:32 -0000
>
>So, I'm using a Sony digital camera to shoot video on the video
>setting. It comes out as MPG format. Mac's hate MPG, so I'm using
>Visual Hub to transform it into DV or MOV format.
>
>No matter WHAT I do, when it transfers, I lose the audio sync. When I
>look at the native MPG file in the little preview window, it's sync-ed
>up fine.
>
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>--Chris Brogan...
>Network2.tv , who otherwise likes the camera.
>

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Hey Chris

You have to demux the audio... basically, on those little cameras, they slam
the audio and the video track together.  this makes your editor think there
is no audio...

So use MPEG Streamclip.  Its free, and it batch converts!

http://www.squared5.com/

that should work
Schlomo
http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://webshots.com/is/spotlight
http://hatfactory.net
http://evilvlog.com



On 3/1/07, [chrisbrogan.com] <group@...> wrote:
>
>   So, I'm using a Sony digital camera to shoot video on the video
> setting. It comes out as MPG format. Mac's hate MPG, so I'm using
> Visual Hub to transform it into DV or MOV format.
>
> No matter WHAT I do, when it transfers, I lose the audio sync. When I
> look at the native MPG file in the little preview window, it's sync-ed
> up fine.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> --Chris Brogan...
> Network2.tv , who otherwise likes the camera.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with Schlomo's advice to use Mpeg Streamclip, its great for
converting various sorts of mpegs, can be very useful if working with
native hdv mpeg2 transport streams for example, though this is needed
les these days since more editors support hdv.

I dont quite agree with his explanation of whats caused your problem
though. Demuxing audio is definately needed but if your stuff is out
of sync, its not a question of VisualHub failing to do that, but
rather making a mess of doing it.

This could be because of some bug in VisualHub or it could be due to a
quirk in the sony mpeg format from that camera, or it could be due to
a mistake with settings. For example if the framerate of your original
footage is not the same as what its getting converted to, this could
caause audio sync issues. If visualhub is reading the sony mpeg file
and is being told the wrong framerate or audio sample rate of the mpeg
file, this could also cause the problem. Either way its probably
easiest to try Mpeg Steamclip instead, depends how much 'fun' it is to
explore the root cause.

Which camera is it out of interest?

Cheers

Steve Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz"
<schlomo@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Chris
>
> You have to demux the audio... basically, on those little cameras,
they slam
> the audio and the video track together.  this makes your editor
think there
> is no audio...
>
> So use MPEG Streamclip.  Its free, and it batch converts!
>
> http://www.squared5.com/
>
> that should work
> Schlomo
> http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> http://webshots.com/is/spotlight
> http://hatfactory.net
> http://evilvlog.com
>
>
>
> On 3/1/07, [chrisbrogan.com] <group@...> wrote:
> >
> >   So, I'm using a Sony digital camera to shoot video on the video
> > setting. It comes out as MPG format. Mac's hate MPG, so I'm using
> > Visual Hub to transform it into DV or MOV format.
> >
> > No matter WHAT I do, when it transfers, I lose the audio sync. When I
> > look at the native MPG file in the little preview window, it's sync-ed
> > up fine.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > --Chris Brogan...
> > Network2.tv , who otherwise likes the camera.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>