Hi all -

   Based on some initial playing around with the video comment plugin
for wordpress, I've updated the plugin to version 1.2.  You can
download the latest version at
http://www.davidmeade.com/wordpress-plugins#videoComments

   Feel free to test/play-around at: http://slackspace.net/testblog/?p=11

   Let me know if you find it buggy in anyway.


   Changes are as follows:

--  UPDATE / CHANGE LOG --

version 1.2

* Thumbnail URLs are now validated
   ---> Link must point to a valid link (not resulting in 400 or 500
level http error codes)
   ---> Invalid images are replaced with a default thumbnail

* Video URLs are now validated
   ---> Link must point to a valid link (not resulting in 400 or 500
level http error codes)

* Post Permalink URLs are now validates
   ---> Link must point to a valid link (not resulting in 400 or 500
level http error codes)

* If a video URL is invalid, but the post permalink is good, the
thumbnail will link to that instead. (allowing link to fall through to
the permalink)

* Video Comment fields will now show up when editing an existing
comment (Allowing an administrator to go in and fix/update video
response links as needed).
   ---> NOTE: Currently, this requires adding a line of code to the
file wp-admin/edit-form-comment.php (pre-modified version is now
included with the plug-in). I have requested this be fixed in the core
wordpres files so that such modification is not required in the future
(http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/5741). See "ADVANCED INSTALLATION
OPTIONS" below.

* Robust clean-up of video comment fields upon deletion of associated
wordpress comment

--  TO DO: --

* Validate links on content-type. (This is code complete but for some
reason wordpress is sometimes returning odd results for links, so I've
disabled it in this version)

-- KNOWN ISSUES: --

  * Not compatible with the OpenID plugin - video comment fields are
lost when user is redirected to an OpenID url for authentication.
(http://wordpress.org/support/topic/154438?replies=1#post-685165)

-- UPGRADE INSTRUCTIONS --

  0) download a backup of your current "video comments" plugin files
  1) Disable your current "video comments" plugin
  2) Delete your current "video comments" plugin files
  3) continue with normal install instructions

-- INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS --

  0) download the latest version of the "video comments" plugin
  1) extract to a local folder on your computer
  2) upload the entire "VideoComments" folder to your plugins directory
(wp-content/plugins)
  3) activate the plugin

-- ADVANCED INSTALLATION OPTIONS --

  1) update your theme's css to set max-width for the
"videoResponseThumbnail" class
  2) ensure the line:
      <?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>
		 appears in your comments/php file for your them. (this is where the
video comment fields are added to the comment form)
  3) ensure the line:
      <?php do_action('edit_comment_form', $comment->comment_ID); ?>
		 appears in your wp-admin/edit-form-comment.php file. I recommend
putting this just above the "Advanced" section).  If you aren't sure
how to do this, you can use the pre-edited edit-form-comment.php that
was included with the zip file for this plugin - just upload it it
your wp-admin folder (make a backup of your existing file first).



Thanks,
  - Dave

--
http://www.DavidMeade.com

Call For Entries Issued for Filmmakers, Television Producers and
Videographers by International Awards Competition, The Accolade
Deadline: February 15 Information:  www.TheAccolade.net

Now in its sixth year, top-tier, international awards competition, The
Accolade, announces its Call For Entries for filmmakers, television
producers and videographers.


The Accolade is a non-traditional, virtual venue. Awards go to those
filmmakers, television producers and videographers who produce fresh,
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It receives entries from all over the world including Australia,
Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Greece,
Hong Hong, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New
Zealand, Norway, Puerto Rico, Spain, Thailand, United Kingdom and the
United States.

There are three levels of awards, all based on quality and creativity:
Best of Show, Award of Excellence and Honorable Mention. No more than
15 percent of entries are granted Awards of Excellence. Best of Show
honors are granted only if worthy productions are discovered. Notable
artistic and technical productions are recognized at the Honorable
Mention award level. Annually, a special award is given to a
production that makes a significant contribution to social change or a
humanitarian effort.

Since The Accolade is not a traditional festival, viewership is
attracted online through The Accolade's website, via targeted press
releases directed to industry media and achieved with notifications to
The Accolade's email database of more than 26,000 people including
producers, distributors and buyers. The Accolade is an award
recognized for its rigorous evaluation process by buyers and
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quality.

The Accolade team works passionately to help worthy productions gain
the publicity and distribution they deserve. Clips of the Best of Show
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Every filmmaker, television producer and videographer wants
credibility associated with their work and buzz about their
productions, and that is what The Accolade is all about. The goal of
The Accolade is to help the winners of this coveted award achieve the
recognition and distribution they deserve.

Go to www.TheAccolade.net  for rules and entry form.



Thomas Baker, Ph.D.,

Competition Chairperson

The Accolade Competition

7946 Ivanhoe Avenue, Suite 201

La Jolla, California 92037

email: entries@...

phone: 858-454-9868

> To further explain:
>
> I have a friend who I wrote a webpage for: http://halkoltinshow.com
> and
> then I submitted this page to Google and various other search engines
> .. and
> I waited .. and waited .. for months .. with zip for results.

For better results in the future - the domain is actually a subdomain of
your site and reasonably unrelated - parking the domain differently might
have resulted in a different outcome. The site has 2 pages, which might
imply some passing fancy, not something authoritative that Google should
care about (and again there's almost no text on the pages for Google to
crawl). You don't have a sitemap (submitting might help but is largely
useless as stuff tends to get sandboxed).

> FINALLY I had someone post a link to this page on their website .. and
> within 10 days (maybe less) it showed up on a Google search .. this
> after it
> had been up for about six months!

Which likely didn't hurt. Had you posted a link to it from one of your
pages, so that Google could find it, that might have helped too. ;)

Again, I offer this with every attempt to be helpful, not critical. Getting
found online isn't easy, but there are many ways to make it easier.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

There's also the "Google Sandbox"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_Effect

You're put under a waiting period before being listed.  Although
having people link to you can help you get out of the sandbox.


See ya

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/



On Feb 4, 2008 1:29 PM, Richard Amirault <ramirault@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jake Ludington"
>  > I apologize for my post - I had the mistaken impression that you were
>  > attempting to get more traffic.
>  >
>  The original poster may have .. I was making a comment on my experience
> with
>  Google.
>
>  To further explain:
>
>  I have a friend who I wrote a webpage for: http://halkoltinshow.com and
>  then I submitted this page to Google and various other search engines ..
> and
>  I waited .. and waited .. for months .. with zip for results.
>
>  If I did a search for "Hal Koltin Show" or "Hal Koltin" I would get, maybe,
>  3 pages of hits off Google .. and my page was not to be found anywhere. So
>  I waited and waited .. no change.
>
>  FINALLY I had someone post a link to this page on their website .. and
>  within 10 days (maybe less) it showed up on a Google search .. this after
> it
>  had been up for about six months!
>
>
>  Richard Amirault
>  Boston, MA, USA
>  http://n1jdu.org
>  http://bostonfandom.org
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ
>

Thanks Jeffrey; I am officially "watching" and this will help me remember as
I get RSS from my Upcoming events. :-)
Rox

On Feb 3, 2008 1:16 PM, beth_tilston <beth_tilston@...> wrote:

>   Hey,
>
> Invite me, then I'll feel special and will probably come. Maybe I'll
> have converted some people via Node 101 by then too and we can be a
> Brighton contingent.
>
> Beth
>
> p.s. I'm a woman.
>
>
>



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Ludington"
> I apologize for my post - I had the mistaken impression that you were
> attempting to get more traffic.
>
The original poster may have .. I was making a comment on my experience with
Google.

To further explain:

I have a friend who I wrote a webpage for: http://halkoltinshow.com  and
then I submitted this page to Google and various other search engines .. and
I waited .. and waited .. for months .. with zip for results.

If I did a search for "Hal Koltin Show" or "Hal Koltin" I would get, maybe,
3 pages of hits off Google .. and my page was not to be found anywhere.  So
I waited and waited .. no change.

FINALLY I had someone post a link to this page on their website .. and
within 10 days (maybe less) it showed up on a Google search .. this after it
had been up for about six months!

Richard Amirault
Boston, MA, USA
http://n1jdu.org
http://bostonfandom.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ

> I've investigated that .. and it's beyond me .. but, currently, that
> page
> shows up on the first page of a Google search .. good enough for now.

I apologize for my post - I had the mistaken impression that you were
attempting to get more traffic.

As for not liking QuickTime - I don't really like QuickTime, but 100 million
iPod owners is a hard market to ignore.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box)
based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded
convo itself.

That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were on.

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/



On Feb 4, 2008 3:58 AM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:
>
> > So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
>  > I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
>  > coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
>  > b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
>  > helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit
>  > them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor.
>
>  yeah, lets not worry about creating a business.
>  go into porn or the new Blackwater-style security services to make money.
>
>
>  > The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to add
>  > RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to
>  > regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the
>  > posts cross referencing other posts.
>
>  Take a moment to check out Andreas writings on tracking conversations.
>  He recently reminded me of his work back in 2004(!). Not sure if I was
>  ready to grasp his ideas back then.
>  http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking
>
>  my experience and desire for any system screams for a visual presentation.
>  a list of links doesnt excite me.
>  I want to see thumbnails.
>  i want to watch videos i the page easily.
>  i want the page to make the videos look good.
>
>  Jay
>
>  --
>
>  http://jaydedman.com
>  917 371 6790
>  Professional: http://ryanishungry.com
>  Personal: http://momentshowing.net
>  Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/
>  Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman
>  RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Ludington"

> Not to pick on you, but both of those sites are horrible from an SEO
> perspective. :)
>
You lost me with "SEO"

> Each of those video posts you have should live on an individual page, with
> an appropriate title. For instance, create a separate page title "Why
> Serenity was more fun than Star Wars" and provide more background details
> than the one sentence description. And for the love of god offer some
> format
> other than Real - many people still hate RealPlayer and you can't put
> those
> videos on an iPod :)
>
I made the page and chose the format long before I made this available as an
RSS feed. I chose Real Player because I host these videos on my own site and
while I was told by my host I should be able to get 3 formats to stream .. I
could only get two, Quicktime and Real .. for the same bandwidth Real gave a
better picture .. so I chose Real.

Better descriptions?  Outside of quoting some of the comments / questions
made during the video I really don't see how I could embellish the
descriptions of these videos very much.

Yes, I know some folks have issues with Real .. by the same token some folks
(me included) have issues with Quicktime. You can't please everyone.

> Embed the video (use Blip if you want more control) and offer a download
> as
> a second alternative. RSS feed? Where is it? :)
>
"Embed the video"?? why?  So there is pretty picture to view before you
start streaming? These Real Player videos are between 45 and 60 minutes long
.. they *all* stream when clicked.

" .. more control"  .. than what? I have total control as it is (as much as
I can have without having my own personal server at my house)

RSS feed?  Its in the IE toolbar, and on the page, on the right-hand side,
at the bottom of the main text (before the individual episodes) .. yes, it
can done better .. but I write this page with Front Page Express myself, and
I'm not wiz kid at html.

> You could double your traffic without even breaking a sweat.
>
> Oh yeah, and on my top 10 list I should have mentioned, have a sitemap and
> list it with Google Webmaster tools.
>

I've investigated that .. and it's beyond me .. but, currently, that page
shows up on the first page of a Google search .. good enough for now.

Richard Amirault
Boston, MA, USA
http://n1jdu.org
http://bostonfandom.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ

> My experience with Google is that it does not matter what text you have
> on
> your site .. if no one is linked to your site Google will not list your
> site
> in ANY position.  The more folks who link to your site the higher you
> will
> rank.
>
> http://n1jdu.org
> http://bostonfandom.org

Not to pick on you, but both of those sites are horrible from an SEO
perspective. :)

Each of those video posts you have should live on an individual page, with
an appropriate title. For instance, create a separate page title "Why
Serenity was more fun than Star Wars" and provide more background details
than the one sentence description. And for the love of god offer some format
other than Real - many people still hate RealPlayer and you can't put those
videos on an iPod :)

Embed the video (use Blip if you want more control) and offer a download as
a second alternative. RSS feed? Where is it? :)

You could double your traffic without even breaking a sweat.

Oh yeah, and on my top 10 list I should have mentioned, have a sitemap and
list it with Google Webmaster tools.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

> I don't think SEO will get you video views..... but it can get people
> to your site.  (Whether they stay there or and whether they watch you
> videos is another question.)

10 ways to get more people to your show without paying anyone for SEO:

1) Be Interesting. If you're boring, no one will link to you and links still
matter.

2) The title tags on your pages should be topic relevant as should your post
title. If your post title is My Cool Show Episode #363-A, Google won't find
you.

3) Write a descriptive 200-250 words about each video you post. If there are
supporting details that should be summarized in text, summarize them.

4) Have an email list for people to subscribe to in addition to your RSS
feed. Most people still don't get RSS.

5) Embed your video on your page - don't count on people to download it -
their time is valuable and by the time the video finishes downloading, they
might have forgotten all about it.

6) Digg, Stumble, and bookmark your own stuff when appropriate. If you
wouldn't vote for your own content, why should anybody else?

7) Use descriptive tags to help search engines know what your content is
about. Your posts are only as good as their supporting metadata.

8) Post articles and/or guest blog on related topics - be an expert in your
topic area and get seen beyond your own little corner of the universe.

9) Subscribe to your video blog in every service you can find - there are
many sites that won't start tracking you unless you have subscribers.

10) Send out press releases when you do something big - especially if you
can make it an interesting story that news outlets might pick up.

11) Get a playboy model to talk about you:
http://www.jakeludington.com/life/



Yes, this all takes work, but so does anything worth doing.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Ludington"
(snip)
> The big secret for video bloggers who want to rank well in Google is you
> need to be willing to write text - Google is still a text based search
> engine. If you can't be bothered to write something descriptive, you will
> languish in search engine obscurity.

My experience with Google is that it does not matter what text you have on
your site .. if no one is linked to your site Google will not list your site
in ANY position.  The more folks who link to your site the higher you will
rank.

Richard Amirault
Boston, MA, USA
http://n1jdu.org
http://bostonfandom.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ

obviously of interest....

http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2008/02/urls-are-people-too.html>

On Feb 4, 2008 1:40 PM, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
>  the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept.
>
>  -Mike
>
>
>  On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Steve Watkins <steve@...> wrote:
>  > I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more
> thought in this area
>  > than we normally see. Sure, at its most basic its not that hard, but Id
> sure like to see some
>  > attempts to experiment more with how multiple videos are presented
> visually, see if there
>  > is room to bring a lot more fun & ease to this realm.
>  >
>  > As well as plugins that would work with wordpress or whatever, Id really
> like to see an
>  > opensource flash video player that had this sort of stuff built into it,
> plus the best of
>  > features offered by sites/services like blip, youtube etc. Its a shame my
> flash skills are
>  > pretty bad, Id really like to help do working mockup of this stuff, but
> right now Id
>  > probably have to do it in mac-only quartz composer, or wmv-only
> silverlight, unless I can
>  > find the cash & time to understand actionsript in flash better.
>  >
>  > Im not totally sure it makes sense to combine thse wishes with the stuff
> you are talking
>  > about, dont want to overcomplicate the mission, but it could be an
> opportunity to fill a few
>  > other gaps in the 'what wecan do without 3rd party hosted services'
> department.
>  >
>  > Cheers
>  >
>  > Steve Elbows
>  >
>  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
> <groups-yahoo-com@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > > thumbnails, embeded videos, visual presentation, that' the easy part
>  > > jay. It occurs to me I have never put my CSS skills to work in this
>  > > space... it's way past time I actually put my css skills to work. The
>  > > big issue is this would require some significant DB work and some good
>  > > programing. As I said this is nothing that hasn't already been
>  > > demonstrated through vlogdir, show in the box and other projects in
>  > > this space.
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>

> Tubemogul just helps you get them up, and now gives you some extra non
> spammy ways to promote them. That's good. But there are other tools and
> services out that (of which I'm talking about) that "assist" you in
> getting
> video views and things like that. To me that's the wrong approach. I'm
> sure
> we all agree.

To piggyback on what Jim's saying here - if you really want more views (and
more quality viewers) no traffic blaster/geyser/energizer/lobotomizer is
going to get you there. I get 'front page google listings... in just a few
hours' and I've never used that type of service.

More to the point here are two great ways to get more views that don't
require you to sell your soul:

1) Find bloggers and newsletter publishers who write about topics similar to
your videos. Email  said publishers and suggest that maybe you should team
up - they get video content they can embed, you get another distribution
channel that's related to the kind of people you're trying to reach. Most of
these people either aren't thinking about video or thinking that video is a
massive hurdle they can't bear to deal with because they are already
swamped.

2) Buy advertising on sites that are related to watching videos or related
to your niche. You'd be surprised how many views you can get from a $0.10
CPM ad buy.

Bonus tip - when you have a really great video (yes, you think all your
videos are great, but I mean one you'd showcase as your best work). Email
people at blogs in realted topic areas and tell them about it. At the same
time, be a good blogging citizen and link to stuff on your own blog from the
same people you hope to get links from.

The big secret for video bloggers who want to rank well in Google is you
need to be willing to write text - Google is still a text based search
engine. If you can't be bothered to write something descriptive, you will
languish in search engine obscurity.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

I don't think SEO will get you video views..... but it can get people
to your site.  (Whether they stay there or and whether they watch you
videos is another question.)

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/


On Feb 4, 2008 11:41 AM, Jim Kukral <jim@...> wrote:
>
> The point I was trying to make was.
>
>  If you make good videos, people will watch. But yeah, you do need
> promotion.
>  However, finding a "tool" that will "help people find your videos" sounds
>  bit spammy and wrong.
>
>  Tubemogul just helps you get them up, and now gives you some extra non
>  spammy ways to promote them. That's good. But there are other tools and
>  services out that (of which I'm talking about) that "assist" you in getting
>  video views and things like that. To me that's the wrong approach. I'm sure
>  we all agree.
>
>  Jim
>
>
>  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
>  On Behalf Of J. Rhett Aultman
>  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:34 PM
>  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?
>
>
>  Sure...because nobody ever made good videos but suffered from a lack of
>  promotion.
>
>  Making good videos and assuming the world will beat a path to your door is
>  like opening a restaurant without advertising it. Good food or not,
>  nobody knows you're there.
>
>  --
>  Rhett.
>  http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime
>  http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
>
>  > Make good videos. people will watch.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Use "service" to "get" people to watch your videos is the absolute wrong
>  > way
>  > to go about it.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Jim Kukral
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
>  [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>
>  > On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux
>  > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:05 PM
>  > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
>
>
>
>  > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
>  > service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
>  > what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).
>  >
>  > (My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
>  > rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
>  > them there.)
>  >
>  > See ya
>  >
>  > --
>  > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>  > http://ChangeLog.ca/
>  >
>  > Motorsport Videos
>  > http://TireBiterZ.com/
>  >
>  > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>  >
>  > On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...
>  <mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com>
>  > <mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>  >>
>  >> I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
>  >> service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
>  >> founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
>  >> users.
>  >>
>  >> TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
>  >> you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
>  >> location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
>  >> of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
>  >> in one place.
>  >>
>  >> Ask me if you have questions!
>  >> Mark Rotblat
>  >> mark@... <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
>  <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
>  >> http://www.tubemogul.com
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...>
>  > wrote:
>  >> >
>  >> > Have you had any experience with
>  >> >
>  >> > trafficgeyser.com
>  >> >
>  >> > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
>  >> > Google results.
>  >> >
>  >> > John Leeke
>  >> > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
>  >> >

7.4 also breaks renders over 10 minutes long (that's rendering time,
not project time) in After Effects, and misc. problems have been
reported with pre-FCPStudio2 Apple Pro products as well, though its
the After Effects problem that is significant. Workaround if you
already upgraded is to install 7.3.1 using Pacifist, though apparently
this has to be done very carefully.

Brook
_______________________________________________________
Brook Hinton
film/video/audio art
www.brookhinton.com
studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab

The point I was trying to make was.



If you make good videos, people will watch. But yeah, you do need promotion.
However, finding a "tool" that will "help people find your videos" sounds
bit spammy and wrong.



Tubemogul just helps you get them up, and now gives you some extra non
spammy ways to promote them. That's good. But there are other tools and
services out that (of which I'm talking about) that "assist" you in getting
video views and things like that. To me that's the wrong approach. I'm sure
we all agree.



Jim





From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of J. Rhett Aultman
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:34 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?



Sure...because nobody ever made good videos but suffered from a lack of
promotion.

Making good videos and assuming the world will beat a path to your door is
like opening a restaurant without advertising it. Good food or not,
nobody knows you're there.

--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime

> Make good videos. people will watch.
>
>
>
> Use "service" to "get" people to watch your videos is the absolute wrong
> way
> to go about it.
>
>
>
> Jim Kukral
>
>
>
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:05 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?
>
>
>
> From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
> service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
> what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).
>
> (My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
> rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
> them there.)
>
> See ya
>
> --
> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> http://ChangeLog.ca/
>
> Motorsport Videos
> http://TireBiterZ.com/
>
> Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...
<mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com>
> <mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>>
>> I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
>> service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
>> founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
>> users.
>>
>> TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
>> you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
>> location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
>> of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
>> in one place.
>>
>> Ask me if you have questions!
>> Mark Rotblat
>> mark@... <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
<mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
>> http://www.tubemogul.com
>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Have you had any experience with
>> >
>> > trafficgeyser.com
>> >
>> > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
>> > Google results.
>> >
>> > John Leeke
>> > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sure...because nobody ever made good videos but suffered from a lack of
promotion.

Making good videos and assuming the world will beat a path to your door is
like opening a restaurant without advertising it.  Good food or not,
nobody knows you're there.

--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime

> Make good videos. people will watch.
>
>
>
> Use "service" to "get" people to watch your videos is the absolute wrong
> way
> to go about it.
>
>
>
> Jim Kukral
>
>
>
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:05 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?
>
>
>
> From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
> service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
> what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).
>
> (My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
> rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
> them there.)
>
> See ya
>
> --
> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> http://ChangeLog.ca/
>
> Motorsport Videos
> http://TireBiterZ.com/
>
> Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...
> <mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>>
>> I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
>> service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
>> founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
>> users.
>>
>> TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
>> you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
>> location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
>> of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
>> in one place.
>>
>> Ask me if you have questions!
>> Mark Rotblat
>> mark@... <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
>> http://www.tubemogul.com
>>
>>
>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Have you had any experience with
>> >
>> > trafficgeyser.com
>> >
>> > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
>> > Google results.
>> >
>> > John Leeke
>> > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I don't know...... I think making good videos is definitely
necessary... but you still need to get people to come to your site
somehow.

SEO can help get them there.  (Of course once they're there, your
_good_ videos will hopefully keep them coming back.)

Not that SEO is the only strategy for introducing your work to your
target audience.... but it is one of them for some people.

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/



On Feb 4, 2008 11:10 AM, Jim Kukral <jim@...> wrote:
>
>
> Make good videos. people will watch.
>
>  Use "service" to "get" people to watch your videos is the absolute wrong
> way
>  to go about it.
>
>  Jim Kukral
>
>  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
>  On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux
>  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:05 PM
>  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?
>
>
>  From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
>  service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
>  what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).
>
>  (My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
>  rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
>  them there.)
>
>  See ya
>
>  --
>  Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>  http://ChangeLog.ca/
>
>  Motorsport Videos
>  http://TireBiterZ.com/
>
>  Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>
>  On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...
>  <mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>  >
>  > I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
>  > service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
>  > founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
>  > users.
>  >
>  > TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
>  > you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
>  > location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
>  > of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
>  > in one place.
>  >
>  > Ask me if you have questions!
>  > Mark Rotblat
>  > mark@... <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
>
>  > http://www.tubemogul.com
>  >
>  >
>  > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>  <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...>
>
>  wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Have you had any experience with
>  > >
>  > > trafficgeyser.com
>  > >
>  > > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
>  > > Google results.
>  > >
>  > > John Leeke
>  > > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
>  > >
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Make good videos. people will watch.



Use "service" to "get" people to watch your videos is the absolute wrong way
to go about it.



Jim Kukral



From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:05 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: TrafficGeyser.com ?



From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).

(My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
them there.)

See ya

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/

On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...
<mailto:marotblat%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
> service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
> founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
> users.
>
> TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
> you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
> location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
> of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
> in one place.
>
> Ask me if you have questions!
> Mark Rotblat
> mark@... <mailto:mark%40tubemogul.com>
> http://www.tubemogul.com
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...>
wrote:
> >
> > Have you had any experience with
> >
> > trafficgeyser.com
> >
> > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
> > Google results.
> >
> > John Leeke
> > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
> >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From what I've heard of TubeMogul, it seem like a useful
service........ But does TubeMogul provide SEO services?... which is
what I think John was after (when asking about trafficgeyser.com).

(My guess is he wants to get people to his site to watch his videos...
rather than pushing his videos to other sites and have people watch
them there.)

See ya

--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/

On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 AM, marotblat <marotblat@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
> service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
> founding team). We now also have a subscription service for corporate
> users.
>
> TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
> you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
> location. There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
> of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
> in one place.
>
> Ask me if you have questions!
> Mark Rotblat
> mark@...
> http://www.tubemogul.com
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...> wrote:
> >
> > Have you had any experience with
> >
> > trafficgeyser.com
> >
> > It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
> > Google results.
> >
> > John Leeke
> > www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
> >

I don't have first hand experience with traffic geyser's subscription
service, but I do know about TubeMogul's free service (I'm part of the
founding team).  We now also have a subscription service for corporate
users.

TubeMogul allows you to distribute to the top sites, which also gives
you the ability to see your viewership stats across sites in one
location.  There are a bunch of new features, too, such as promotion
of your video to social bookmarking sites and seeing all your comments
in one place.

Ask me if you have questions!
Mark Rotblat
mark@...
http://www.tubemogul.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "johnleeke" <johnleeke@...> wrote:
>
> Have you had any experience with
>
> trafficgeyser.com
>
> It is a service with a monthly fee to get your videos at the top of
> Google results.
>
> John Leeke
> www.HistoricHomeWorks.com
>

I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept.

-Mike

On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Steve Watkins <steve@...> wrote:
> I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more
thought in this area
> than we normally see. Sure, at its most basic its not that hard, but Id sure
like to see some
> attempts to experiment more with how multiple videos are presented visually,
see if there
> is room to bring a lot more fun & ease to this realm.
>
> As well as plugins that would work with wordpress or whatever, Id really like
to see an
> opensource flash video player that had this sort of stuff built into it, plus
the best of
> features offered by sites/services like blip, youtube etc. Its a shame my
flash skills are
> pretty bad, Id really like to help do working mockup of this stuff, but right
now Id
> probably have to do it in mac-only quartz composer, or wmv-only silverlight,
unless I can
> find the cash & time to understand actionsript in flash better.
>
> Im not totally sure it makes sense to combine thse wishes with the stuff you
are talking
> about, dont want to overcomplicate the mission, but it could be an opportunity
to fill a few
> other gaps in the 'what wecan do without 3rd party hosted services'
department.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve Elbows
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <groups-yahoo-com@...>
wrote:
>
> > thumbnails, embeded videos, visual presentation, that' the easy part
> > jay. It occurs to me I have never put my CSS skills to work in this
> > space... it's way past time I actually put my css skills to work. The
> > big issue is this would require some significant DB work and some good
> > programing.  As I said this is nothing that hasn't already been
> > demonstrated through vlogdir, show in the box and other projects in
> > this space.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Thanks Kathryn!
Cheers,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Kathryn Jones wrote:

> hey ron!
>
> I am happy to forward you the release I used for my postcast question
> of the week, it was a man on the street interview show and I got
> clearance for everyone... just want to stress that a lawyer did not
> write it, I cobbled together a template I bought and a few releases I
> found, so will it hold up in the supreme court? who knows! (though
> along the way I did have a few lawyers sign it)...
>
> sending now... check it out and see if it works for you
>
> best,
>
> Kathryn
> http://www.synchronis.tv
>
> On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ron Watson wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have some standardized text for a release form?
> >
> > I'm just going to go with the WP Release form plugin and need some
> > legalese to plug in there.
> >
> > I will be dealing with small, local bands, and feel comfortable with
> > this kind of arrangement, but I definitely need some better legalese
> > than I have drawn up.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ron Watson
> > http://k9disc.blip.tv
> > http://k9disc.com
> > http://discdogradio.com
> > http://pawsitivevybe.com
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Ron Watson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey everybody,
> > > I was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of a
> > > good, simple permission form for music usage for our videoblog and
> > > also for public access TV.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Ron Watson
> > > http://k9disc.blip.tv
> > > http://k9disc.com
> > > http://discdogradio.com
> > > http://pawsitivevybe.com
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Let me see if I can give you a useful answer...

In the US, at least at the moment, most people have broadband
connections without monthly dowmload limits. So the size of the file
is less of a concern especially if people are using aggregators like
iTunes or Miro to download video. Where it becomes a concern is when
they are trying to watch it on your website. Those export for IPod
1600kbps videos don't often play without a significant amount of
waiting. To make up for that (and plugin uncertainty) many people
offer a lower bit rate flash version from blip or youtube.

Outside the US many broadband connections come with a monthly download
cap (maybe 10GB ?? I'm unsure). Anything downloaded over that limit
incurs an extra charge. TimeWarner is now experimenting with a service
like this in Texas.

Of course there is still a large section of the world that don't have
broadband connections at all.

So, should you quit making big videos? Probably not. Should you give
people options? Sure! That's reason #63 why I like vPIP - you can give
visitors to your site a range of choices for viewing and subscribing
to you videos.

- Verdi

On 2/4/08, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <solitude@...> wrote:
> Unless you only care about rich people in large urban metro areas, then
> yes, file sizes do matter.
>
> - Andreas
>
> Den 04.02.2008 kl. 09:44 skrev Heath <heathparks@...>:
>
> > I was just curious what people thought about the file sizes of their
> > video's or the video's that they subscribe too, download, etc.  Do you
> > look at the file size often, does it matter if it's big or not?  by big
> > I say over 50 mb.  I know some of the size of your video file is
> > dependent on how long your video is, but as we as vloggers start making
> > longer and bigger projects, larger and larger file sizes are going to
> > be a natural by product right?  I mean using the Ipod settings at
> > 640X480 in itself can still create a rather large file depending on the
> > length of the video.
> >
> > It seemed in the begining, shorter and smaller was better, but is that
> > changing at all?  I mean with the push towards HD, with being able to
> > view content on the TV, etc, it just seems like its all a part of the
> > evolution...or is it?
> >
> > I was just curious as to what you all thought.
> >
> > Heath
> > personal http://batmangeek.com
> > professional http://heathparks.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> http://www.solitude.dk/
>


--
http://michaelverdi.com
http://freevlog.org
http://nscape.tv

Rural areas are a concern, I would agree, but again, you can only
compress so much and sometimes you are fighting goverment regulation
as in the case of china, so I am not sure what can be done about
situations like that.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen"
<solitude@...> wrote:
>
> Unless you only care about rich people in large urban metro areas,
then
> yes, file sizes do matter.
>
> - Andreas
>
> Den 04.02.2008 kl. 09:44 skrev Heath <heathparks@...>:
>
> > I was just curious what people thought about the file sizes of
their
> > video's or the video's that they subscribe too, download, etc.
Do you
> > look at the file size often, does it matter if it's big or not?
by big
> > I say over 50 mb.  I know some of the size of your video file is
> > dependent on how long your video is, but as we as vloggers start
making
> > longer and bigger projects, larger and larger file sizes are
going to
> > be a natural by product right?  I mean using the Ipod settings at
> > 640X480 in itself can still create a rather large file depending
on the
> > length of the video.
> >
> > It seemed in the begining, shorter and smaller was better, but is
that
> > changing at all?  I mean with the push towards HD, with being
able to
> > view content on the TV, etc, it just seems like its all a part of
the
> > evolution...or is it?
> >
> > I was just curious as to what you all thought.
> >
> > Heath
> > personal http://batmangeek.com
> > professional http://heathparks.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
> http://www.solitude.dk/
>

Unless you only care about rich people in large urban metro areas, then
yes, file sizes do matter.

- Andreas

Den 04.02.2008 kl. 09:44 skrev Heath <heathparks@...>:

> I was just curious what people thought about the file sizes of their
> video's or the video's that they subscribe too, download, etc.  Do you
> look at the file size often, does it matter if it's big or not?  by big
> I say over 50 mb.  I know some of the size of your video file is
> dependent on how long your video is, but as we as vloggers start making
> longer and bigger projects, larger and larger file sizes are going to
> be a natural by product right?  I mean using the Ipod settings at
> 640X480 in itself can still create a rather large file depending on the
> length of the video.
>
> It seemed in the begining, shorter and smaller was better, but is that
> changing at all?  I mean with the push towards HD, with being able to
> view content on the TV, etc, it just seems like its all a part of the
> evolution...or is it?
>
> I was just curious as to what you all thought.
>
> Heath
> personal http://batmangeek.com
> professional http://heathparks.com
>



--
Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
http://www.solitude.dk/

hey ron!

I am happy to forward you the release I used for my postcast question
of the week, it was a man on the street interview show and I got
clearance for everyone... just want to stress that a lawyer did not
write it, I cobbled together a template I bought and a few releases I
found, so will it hold up in the supreme court?   who knows!  (though
along the way I did have a few lawyers sign it)...

sending now... check it out and see if it works for you

best,

Kathryn
http://www.synchronis.tv

On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ron Watson wrote:

> Does anybody have some standardized text for a release form?
>
> I'm just going to go with the WP Release form plugin and need some
> legalese to plug in there.
>
> I will be dealing with small, local bands, and feel comfortable with
> this kind of arrangement, but I definitely need some better legalese
> than I have drawn up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron Watson
> http://k9disc.blip.tv
> http://k9disc.com
> http://discdogradio.com
> http://pawsitivevybe.com
>
> On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Ron Watson wrote:
>
> > Hey everybody,
> > I was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of a
> > good, simple permission form for music usage for our videoblog and
> > also for public access TV.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ron Watson
> > http://k9disc.blip.tv
> > http://k9disc.com
> > http://discdogradio.com
> > http://pawsitivevybe.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Does anybody have some standardized text for a release form?

I'm just going to go with the WP Release form plugin and need some
legalese to plug in there.

I will be dealing with small, local bands, and feel comfortable with
this kind of arrangement, but I definitely need some better legalese
than I have drawn up.

Cheers,

Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Ron Watson wrote:

> Hey everybody,
> I was wondering if any of you could point me in the direction of a
> good, simple permission form for music usage for our videoblog and
> also for public access TV.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron Watson
> http://k9disc.blip.tv
> http://k9disc.com
> http://discdogradio.com
> http://pawsitivevybe.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more thought
in this area
than we normally see. Sure, at its most basic its not that hard, but Id sure
like to see some
attempts to experiment more with how multiple videos are presented visually, see
if there
is room to bring a lot more fun & ease to this realm.

As well as plugins that would work with wordpress or whatever, Id really like to
see an
opensource flash video player that had this sort of stuff built into it, plus
the best of
features offered by sites/services like blip, youtube etc. Its a shame my flash
skills are
pretty bad, Id really like to help do working mockup of this stuff, but right
now Id
probably have to do it in mac-only quartz composer, or wmv-only silverlight,
unless I can
find the cash & time to understand actionsript in flash better.

Im not totally sure it makes sense to combine thse wishes with the stuff you are
talking
about, dont want to overcomplicate the mission, but it could be an opportunity
to fill a few
other gaps in the 'what wecan do without 3rd party hosted services' department.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <groups-yahoo-com@...>
wrote:

> thumbnails, embeded videos, visual presentation, that' the easy part
> jay. It occurs to me I have never put my CSS skills to work in this
> space... it's way past time I actually put my css skills to work. The
> big issue is this would require some significant DB work and some good
> programing.  As I said this is nothing that hasn't already been
> demonstrated through vlogdir, show in the box and other projects in
> this space.
>