David,

Are you sure it shoots 300fps progressive? I couldn't find that anywhere in
the specs. That would be very impressive.

Adam

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, David Jones <david.jones@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:17 AM, David Jones <david.jones@...>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Caleb Clark <calebjc@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh wise list.
> >>
> >> I've got $2000 to spend for a university on a documentation kit (photos
> for
> >> web site and printed brochures, YouTube channel videos of interviews and
> >> talks). I'm wishing for a dSLR that has a mic port, so I can buy just
> one
> >> camera, but it seems that might be a bit premature. I love Canon's FS200
> >> type cameras (I actually like the tiny on camera fill LED light), but
> would
> >> prefer to stay away from AVCHD and just have a nice .mp4, .mov, or even
> .avi
> >> file to work with on Mac or PC basic editing platforms, but that's not
> >> crucial. I just have the feeling that AVCHD is so temporary...I don't
> need
> >> HD practically, but 16x9 I would like. Xacti's come to mind, if they
> aren't
> >> too wiggy with their UI and have some audio level control.
>
> One other thing I forgot to mention.
> I was going to get the Canon FS200, but the small sensor size turned
> me off. It's only got a tiny 1/6" CCD sensor (4.3mm^2), that's
> basically the smallest on the market.
> The Xacti on the other hand has a comparatively huge 1/2.5" CMOS
> sensor (25mm^2).
> See here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format
>
> There is also a big difference in the lens. The Xacti has a huge fast
> F1.8 to F2.5 over a 10x zoom range, but the Canon has an inferior F2.0
> to F5.2 over a (gimmicky) 37x zoom range. More zoom is NOT good, it
> just means a smaller sensor size and slower lens for a given zoom
> level.
>
> Those things can make a huge difference in lower light and other image
> performance issues.
>
> So for the same price as the FS200, with the Xacti I got full HD, Hot
> Shoe, much bigger lens and sensor, and 300fps high speed shooting
> (useful to me, useless for some).
>
> No contest IMO.
>
> Dave.
>
>
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hey all - i had a blast watching the vlomo videos as well as making my own.
thanks to the videoblogging group and to rupert for suggesting the video
chain!! let's do it every month!;) (i'm only half joking - logistics aside
it would be fun.)

michael sean


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> After 3 years of vlogging and a decade of professional broadcast news
experience. I figured that it's time to start giving back to the medium that I
know and love. I see so many great things in the vlogging, independent media
world, but so often it's the small things that will ruin a video.
> I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've decided to start producing
video tutorials on my blog.
> If there's anything you'd like me to cover, or if you have any questions, the
easiest way is to send me a tweet. @urbanreporter or @visualeyemedia.
> Here's this weeks' tut.
>
http://www.myurbanreport.com/2009/11/best-budget-cameras-for-a-video-podcast-vlo\
g/

Its always good to see more tutorials.
I feel we have another five years until this technology really becomes
normal in society.

Jay

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I did 5 (oops) followed by the chain video, so 6.....

in my defence I am 20 weeks pregnant! (for those who *didn't* email me
answers to my clues...) and still wonder :)

Trine

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Kath O'Donnell <aliak77@...> wrote:
> sorry to hear about your Mother Ian, I didn't realize. your video was great
> inspiration for the theme so don't beat yourself up about it.
>
> I meant to do more in isadora/processing but didn't get time. was going ok
> for first couple of weeks then things got away from me and I missed a few
> days (some I took video but haven't uploaded yet) in the last couple of
> weeks. was a good nudge to remember to take the camera out, though next time
> I might stick to 12seconds or SD only as the HD ones are taking me forever
> to convert/save/upload
>
> great work everyone!
> kath
>
>
> 2009/12/1 Ian Beaumont <i.beaumont@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Well, I'd set myself a target.
>>
>> I failed miserably. I only did 5 days of videos.
>>
>> However, I do have a reason.
>>
>> Just before everything was due to begin, my mother died in hospital. She
>> was 78. She'd been ill for sometime with C.O.P.D. As a result, my mindset
>> was never really in the project. I thought I would have the day I picked for
>> my contribution as a day off. But no, I was asked to work all day that day.
>>
>> As a result, my contribution ended up being a quick edit of old footage.
>> Not what I really wanted to do at all. And my plan to try different video
>> types and locations just ran out of creative steam far too early. It was a
>> great project though, and I felt that everybody elses contributions way
>> outshone mine. But, you know where my mind was.
>>
>> If I was a little more planned, I'd be doing "Countdown To Christmas"
>> videos as well. But my head and heart have not really been in it.
>>
>> Here's hoping that next year will be better.
>>
>> Ian B
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: mgmoon
>> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:16 PM
>> Subject: [videoblogging] It's Done!
>>
>> I just posted my final video for NaVloPoMo09 ... 30 Things in 30 Days.
>> It was a ton of work, it took up too much of my time, I'm backlogged with
>> other responsibilities, I'm glad I did it and I'm happy it's over.
>> http://mikemoon.net/vlog/2009/11/30/0130-north-carolina-memories/
>>
>> How did you do?
>>
>> Mike
>> http://vlog.mikemoon.net
>>
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Hey everyone, just wanted to post a link to a video on Magma. We have made some
significant improvements to the site and its starting to catch on.

In particular, we created an explainer video that outlines really well the
features we have up and running so far:

http://mag.ma/andrew/211919

Thanks for having a look, we are always looking for feedback.

Cheers,
Andrew

Andrew,
    Must say I really enjoyed your Rocketboom "Mag.ma explainer" video. It's
like del.icio.us for online video.

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM, hamletphase <andrew@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hey everyone, just wanted to post a link to a video on Magma. We have made
> some significant improvements to the site and its starting to catch on.
>
> In particular, we created an explainer video that outlines really well the
> features we have up and running so far:
>
> http://mag.ma/andrew/211919
>
> Thanks for having a look, we are always looking for feedback.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
>
>


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Come to the YouTube Oakland Meetup December 12, 2009 at Lake Chalet, 1520
Lakeside Drive, Oakland, CA from 2 to 5:30 PM.  Fun, meet, eat, greet, video!

See the Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=191596828696

And if you're a YouTuber, and of course you are, send me an email so I can add
you to the list of YouTubers at: zennie@...

Thanks.

Zennie

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Adam Quirk <quirk@...> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Are you sure it shoots 300fps progressive? I couldn't find that anywhere in
> the specs. That would be very impressive.

The official specs are here, but it looks like they are incorrect
(30fps instead of 300fps):
http://us.sanyo.com/Digital-Camcorders/VPC-HD1010BK-Full-1080p-HD-Video-30fps-an\
d-4MP-Photos

Try here:
http://www.testfreaks.com/digital-camcorders/sanyo-xacti-vpc-hd1010/

My Xacti HD-1010 does indeed do 448 x 336 (300 fps) in "Web-SHR" mode.
I can record 10 seconds of video at this frame rate.
See here for some high speed footage I shot:
http://www.eevblog.com/2009/11/04/eevblog-42-exploding-capacitors-in-high-speed/

But this is an old model, the new HD2000 model can do 600fps at a smaller size:
http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/products/vpc_hd2000/spec.html

Dave.

hi Jay

OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones, YouTube as a
dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever managed) I'm
not sure what you mean by 'normal"!

2009/12/2 Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...>

>
>
>
> Its always good to see more tutorials.
> I feel we have another five years until this technology really becomes
> normal in society.
>
> Jay
>
> --
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> http://jaydedman.com
> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> 917 371 6790
>
>
>


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> OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones, YouTube as a
> dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever managed) I'm
> not sure what you mean by 'normal"!

haha Point well taken.
I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its now
normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones. That's the
easy part. The consumer part.

But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam. With
quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be given out
free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the codec vs
editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware manufactures got
to get together.

Jay


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it still takes forever to get a good video out online lol

compressing, processing blah blah blah

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:

>
>
> > OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones, YouTube as
> a
> > dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever managed)
> I'm
> > not sure what you mean by 'normal"!
>
> haha Point well taken.
> I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its now
> normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones. That's the
> easy part. The consumer part.
>
> But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam. With
> quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be given out
> free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the codec vs
> editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware manufactures got
> to get together.
>
>
> Jay
>
> --
> http://ryanishungry.com
> http://jaydedman.com
> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> 917 371 6790
>
>



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Word, somebody fix that please.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Irina <irinaski@...> wrote:

> it still takes forever to get a good video out online lol
>
> compressing, processing blah blah blah
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones, YouTube
> as
> > a
> > > dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever managed)
> > I'm
> > > not sure what you mean by 'normal"!
> >
> > haha Point well taken.
> > I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its now
> > normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones. That's the
> > easy part. The consumer part.
> >
> > But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam. With
> > quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be given out
> > free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the codec vs
> > editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware manufactures got
> > to get together.
> >
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --
> > http://ryanishungry.com
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://geekentertainment.tv
>
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>


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It's easy - skip all that filming/editing/publishing bullshit.  Now I
just record things with my brain, and then write supportive comments
to myself.  It saves hours.

On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:33, Adam Quirk wrote:

> Word, somebody fix that please.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Irina <irinaski@...> wrote:
>
> > it still takes forever to get a good video out online lol
> >
> > compressing, processing blah blah blah
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones,
> YouTube
> > as
> > > a
> > > > dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever
> managed)
> > > I'm
> > > > not sure what you mean by 'normal"!
> > >
> > > haha Point well taken.
> > > I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its now
> > > normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones. That's
> the
> > > easy part. The consumer part.
> > >
> > > But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam.
> With
> > > quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be given
> out
> > > free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the codec vs
> > > editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware
> manufactures got
> > > to get together.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://ryanishungry.com
> > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > > 917 371 6790
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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> >
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Good call.

Is there a way to forego critical thinking altogether and just record and
parse brain waves during REM sleep? That seems like a logical next step in
creativity productivity efficiency. That is not a rhetorical question. If
anyone reading this wants to help build such a thing, and happens to know a
fun-loving neurologist, please email me.

AQ

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Rupert <rupert@...> wrote:

> It's easy - skip all that filming/editing/publishing bullshit.  Now I
> just record things with my brain, and then write supportive comments
> to myself.  It saves hours.
>
> On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:33, Adam Quirk wrote:
>
> > Word, somebody fix that please.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Irina <irinaski@...> wrote:
> >
> > > it still takes forever to get a good video out online lol
> > >
> > > compressing, processing blah blah blah
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile phones,
> > YouTube
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never ever
> > managed)
> > > > I'm
> > > > > not sure what you mean by 'normal"!
> > > >
> > > > haha Point well taken.
> > > > I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its now
> > > > normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones. That's
> > the
> > > > easy part. The consumer part.
> > > >
> > > > But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam.
> > With
> > > > quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be given
> > out
> > > > free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the codec vs
> > > > editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware
> > manufactures got
> > > > to get together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jay
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://ryanishungry.com
> > > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > > > 917 371 6790
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://geekentertainment.tv
> > >
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I don't think so, but I think there's a Charlie Kaufman script in
there somewhere.

On 2 Dec 2009, at 15:20, Adam Quirk wrote:

> Good call.
>
> Is there a way to forego critical thinking altogether and just
> record and
> parse brain waves during REM sleep? That seems like a logical next
> step in
> creativity productivity efficiency. That is not a rhetorical
> question. If
> anyone reading this wants to help build such a thing, and happens to
> know a
> fun-loving neurologist, please email me.
>
> AQ
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Rupert <rupert@...> wrote:
>
> > It's easy - skip all that filming/editing/publishing bullshit. Now I
> > just record things with my brain, and then write supportive comments
> > to myself. It saves hours.
> >
> > On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:33, Adam Quirk wrote:
> >
> > > Word, somebody fix that please.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Irina <irinaski@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > it still takes forever to get a good video out online lol
> > > >
> > > > compressing, processing blah blah blah
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jay dedman
> <jay.dedman@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I don't get what you mean :-) With video on mobile
> phones,
> > > YouTube
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > dominant media platform (in the way that network TV never
> ever
> > > managed)
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > not sure what you mean by 'normal"!
> > > > >
> > > > > haha Point well taken.
> > > > > I guess I mean on the actually creation side. Definitely its
> now
> > > > > normal for folks to watch a video online or their phones.
> That's
> > > the
> > > > > easy part. The consumer part.
> > > > >
> > > > > But im also excited to see the creation side picking up steam.
> > > With
> > > > > quality digital cameras between 100-200$, they'll soon be
> given
> > > out
> > > > > free like memory sticks. The real challenge is still the
> codec vs
> > > > > editing program vs OS issue. Developers and hardware
> > > manufactures got
> > > > > to get together.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://ryanishungry.com
> > > > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > > > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > > > > 917 371 6790
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Hi Jay! Hi all of you!

Thanks a lot for forwarding my email (to Joly - who?) and telling a bit about
the early days. It's really helpful for my research because I hadn't been
interested in web-videos at that time. Actually, I hadn't known about it before
there was a local offer (just a platform with videos) for the town I lived in.

General, web-tv is not too famous in Germany. Mostly, I have the feeling it's
still an American trend (anyway, especially in tech-stuff, Europe is round about
4 years behind the US they say)...
That's a really, really good question for social science or cultural
anthropology if and why citizens of some societies are more interested in
showing their everyday life…
But on the other hand the mainstream reality tv is quite famous in Germany, even
though I think it goes down in some time. (It has been so long the favourite of
the tv networks... )
But blogs are different. I think for a society blog and videoblog are a good way
for real self-assurance.
Why is it less usual in Germany (assumed it is like that): Maybe blogs are
associated with narcissism. Also, we have a more or less strict liability to
criticism. So with a Videoblog you are really vulnerable.. Just spontaneous
speculation! What do you think?

Can you tell me if the vogma manifesto was discussed within this group? I
haven't found a wide discussion about it. Strange, if I had been there I would
have had the necessity to discuss it in detail. A pity, five years too late ;-D.

Have a nice day!
Jenn


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:
>
> > I agree, from 2005 on the Web-TV-community changes a lot because of YouTube.
I divide the Web-TV-development in three parts: >from 1993 until 2000 with
pseudo.com, DEN and webisodes, 2000 until 2005 and the YouTube-era until today.
>
> That's a good way to break it up.
> Pseudo and Broadcast.com were doing all kinds of online video
> experiments. I assume youve seen
> http://www.weliveinpublicthemovie.com/. It's a fun documentary about
> Josh Harris who really spearheaded a lot of the online video scene
> during the first tech boom.
>
> When I started videoblogging in 2004, I couldnt find really anyone
> except a couple folks who were using blogs to post video. That was my
> big excitement: posting video to a blog so it was easy to publish
> regularly...so it could take advantages of the social aspect of
> vlogs...and could be archived.
>
> Much of the work from 1993-2003 was often erased...or unsearchable
> since they were videos w/out text on html pages. Or someone would post
> a video, then never post again. Good news is that much of that stuff
> is now being re-uploaded to Youtube. I'm cc'ing Joly on this email. He
> may be able to share some of his experiences in NYC in the early days.
>
> > Actually, there are not so many German-speaking vlogs. Most formats tend to
a genre I call videoprogram (those I am concentrating on), they are more a
semi-professional produced show or magazine (like Rocketboom).
> > One quite famous videoblog of the scene just gave up: She (Schnutingers
Netrzkabarett) was bashed because of acting in a commercial . However, in
Germany there are rather videoblogs of prominent people than those of average
citizens: like Angela Merkel's videoblog
http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Webs/BK/De/Mediathek/Videos/videos.html (it's
stiff and a kind of deadpan but unintentionally funny), the former videoblog of
a famous show master (the German David Letterman: Harald Schmidt) or one blog of
>a German journalist: http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-36686.html.
>
> Im often curious why videoblogging is more popular is some societies
> and not others. In Germany, is it a cultural thing not wanting to make
> a video about personal life?
>
> Jay
>
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> http://jaydedman.com
> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> 917 371 6790
>

VERY, VERY, nice!  I really love the focus on aggregated metrics.  Great job
Andrew!


Damien Somerset
damiensomerset@...
http://DamienSomerset.com
Current Project: http://ShiftLogic.org

I cut out the writing bit and just think supportive comments. It's
even faster. :-)

On 03/12/2009, at 1:47 AM, Rupert wrote:

> It's easy - skip all that filming/editing/publishing bullshit.  Now I
> just record things with my brain, and then write supportive comments
> to myself.  It saves hours.




cheers
Adrian Miles
adrian.miles@...
Program Director, Bachelor of Communication Honours
vogmae.net.au

I just discovered the Audio-technica ATR288W, seems almost too good to be
true for $120...I'm sure the range is low, but I'm only needing 100 ft or
less for documentation stuff and guest speakers, presenters, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQgc6zEYMo&feature=related

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> What I'd really like, though, is to edit together the whole thing into
> one video as was suggested at the start. I tried earlier in the month,
> but was unable to download several of the entries from their various
> video hosting sites.
> Does anyone have the requisite download-fu to grab all of the videos
> and place them into a single sequence? I realize that the interactive
> and looping entries would need to be dumbed down for this sort of
> presentation, but I'd still love to bable to watch the whole game from
> start to finish.
> Any thoughts?

Here we run into the wall of video formats/codecs. There's no easy way
to grab all these videos. You have to go to each page and figure how
to pull them off. Each format has its different requirements and tools
to strip it off the page.

Jay

--
http://ryanishungry.com
http://jaydedman.com
http://twitter.com/jaydedman
917 371 6790

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:
>> What I'd really like, though, is to edit together the whole thing into
>> one video as was suggested at the start.

>
> Here we run into the wall of video formats/codecs

And in addition to the codec thing, you have the fact that a few of
the entries aren't linear.

I've been working on a site where we can continue playing games like
this. I hope to have it up soon. One reason for building it is to
address issues like this. So for example I've imported those 30 videos
and built a way to see a grid of all the videos and then to easily
page through them in order. I think that's probably best given the
flexibility of the game. Then in the future I can customize the way
new games work on the site depending on what we're trying to achieve.

- Verdi

--
Michael Verdi
http://michaelverdi.com
http://talkbot.tv

> Thanks a lot for forwarding my email (to Joly - who?) and telling a bit about
the early days. It's really helpful for my research because I hadn't been
interested in web-videos at that time. Actually, I hadn't known about it before
there was a local offer (just a >platform with videos) for the town I lived in.

Joly started Punkcast.com and has good stories recording NYC punk
shows in audio/video starting in late 90's.
Good article about him:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10-28/news/bootlegger-s-banquet/1

> General, web-tv is not too famous in Germany. Mostly, I have the feeling it's
still an American trend (anyway, especially in tech-stuff, Europe is round about
4 years behind the US they say)...
> That's a really, really good question for social science or cultural
anthropology if and why citizens of some societies are more interested in
showing their everyday life…
> But on the other hand the mainstream reality tv is quite famous in Germany,
even though I think it goes down in some time. (It has been so long the
favourite of the tv networks... )
> But blogs are different. I think for a society blog and videoblog are a good
way for real self-assurance.
> Why is it less usual in Germany (assumed it is like that): Maybe blogs are
associated with narcissism. Also, we have a more or less strict liability to
criticism. So with a Videoblog you are really vulnerable.. Just spontaneous
speculation! What do you think?

One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very
very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more
open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the
past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but
"open" makes more sense than "narcissistic". Making it up as we go
along. Tear down the castles.

Peter Van Dijck, from Belgian, actually started this group when he
lived in NYC. He always told me that Americans were much more "in your
face" and he liked it.

> Can you tell me if the vogma manifesto was discussed within this group? I
haven't found a wide discussion about it. Strange, if I >had been there I would
have had the necessity to discuss it in detail. A pity, five years too late ;-D.

Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We
discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd),
though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his
academic leanings. We were (are?) a lot of riff raff. In 2005, Michael
Verdi made the Vlog Anarchy manifesto in response here
(http://michaelverdi.com/2005/02/20/vlog-anarchy/).

I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out
how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say "this is
this". Both are good at appropriate times.

There's another group that sprung out of this one that focuses on
dreamy tech and academic discussions:
http://groups.google.com/group/artists-in-the-cloud

Jay

--
http://ryanishungry.com
http://jaydedman.com
http://twitter.com/jaydedman
917 371 6790

> I've been working on a site where we can continue playing games like
> this. I hope to have it up soon. One reason for building it is to
> address issues like this. So for example I've imported those 30 videos
> and built a way to see a grid of all the videos and then to easily
> page through them in order. I think that's probably best given the
> flexibility of the game. Then in the future I can customize the way
> new games work on the site depending on what we're trying to achieve.

We've always had trouble keeping tracks of entries in the games we
play. Let er rip.

Jay

--
http://ryanishungry.com
http://jaydedman.com
http://twitter.com/jaydedman
917 371 6790

there was also a list called vlogtheory too
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogtheory which might have some discussions
you'd be interested in
I think there was another? but maybe I've forgotten


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oh & there's video vortex now too (but it's more recent than below)
http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/videovortex_listcultures.org


2009/12/3 Kath O'Donnell <aliak77@...>

> there was also a list called vlogtheory too
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogtheory which might have some discussions
> you'd be interested in
> I think there was another? but maybe I've forgotten
>



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one hack technique that i almost was going to spend an hour on the other
night is the literally screen capture every video and then just stitch them
all together.  i use screenflow on the mac (and sometimes snapz pro as
well).  i've done this in some cases in the past and though it is
unconventional,  it does work well (enough).

sull

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:

>
>
> > What I'd really like, though, is to edit together the whole thing into
> > one video as was suggested at the start. I tried earlier in the month,
> > but was unable to download several of the entries from their various
> > video hosting sites.
> > Does anyone have the requisite download-fu to grab all of the videos
> > and place them into a single sequence? I realize that the interactive
> > and looping entries would need to be dumbed down for this sort of
> > presentation, but I'd still love to bable to watch the whole game from
> > start to finish.
> > Any thoughts?
>
> Here we run into the wall of video formats/codecs. There's no easy way
> to grab all these videos. You have to go to each page and figure how
> to pull them off. Each format has its different requirements and tools
> to strip it off the page.
>
>
> Jay
>
> --
> http://ryanishungry.com
> http://jaydedman.com
> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> 917 371 6790
>
>
>


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Hi Jenn,  Nice to meet you! As a big fan of Ehrensenf, I'm curious: what
other videoprogram-type vlogs are popular in Germany?  Best, Kirstin
http://www.digest.tv <http://www.digest.tv>
 http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler
<http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler>  
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "elaluca11" <mail@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot, Jay and Irina!
>
> I had checked the first 20 messages from the beginning of this group
before I signed in. Really interesting, not only because it's already 5
years old.
>
> I agree, from 2005 on the Web-TV-community changes a lot because of
YouTube. I divide the Web-TV-development in three parts: from 1993 until
2000 with pseudo.com, DEN and webisodes, 2000 until 2005 and the
YouTube-era until today.
>
> Actually, there are not so many German-speaking vlogs. Most formats
tend to a genre I call videoprogram (those I am concentrating on), they
are more a semi-professional produced show or magazine (like
Rocketboom).
> One quite famous videoblog of the scene just gave up: She
(Schnutingers Netrzkabarett) was bashed because of acting in a
commercial . However, in Germany there are rather videoblogs of
prominent people than those of average citizens: like Angela Merkel's
videoblog
http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Webs/BK/De/Mediathek/Videos/videos.html
(it's stiff and a kind of deadpan but unintentionally funny), the former
videoblog of a famous show master (the German David Letterman: Harald
Schmidt) or one blog of a German journalist:
http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-36686.html.
>
>
> Bye
> Jenn
>
> P.S. Irina, I'll check Geek Entertainment TV out! Thanks for it.
>
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina irinaski@ wrote:
> >
> > hi jennifer
> >
> > i am happy to help u as well
> >
> > i am not like steve or jay from 2004
> > but i am from 2005 lol (november, honestly)
> >
> > we are still producing it if u can imagine
> >
> > still wordpress plus blip.tv
> >
> > i have done many shows since then
> >
> > and just started a new one for an online newspaper in sf.
> >
> > irina slutsky
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am excited about the discussions in this community and the
potential of
> > > so many people sharing thoughts about this topic!
> > > > My first questions to you are:
> > > > - Does someone know videoblogs founded from 2000 on (apart from
Steve
> > > Garfield and Adam Kontras), English- or German-speaking ones?
> > >
> > > You should look in the archives of this group, started in 2004.
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/messages/1?l=1
> > > Here you will see how we were talking about "videoblogs" back
then. Plenty
> > > of debates over the concept, term, and technical implementation.
This is
> > > one
> > > of the frist messages of this group:
> > >
> > > (Peter and I) have had long talks about videoblogging and wanted
to bring
> > > > other people into the conversation.
> > > >
> > > > The ability to put video on blogs seems amazing to us, but there
seem to
> > > be
> > > > some obstacles.
> > > > 1. Technically, the process takes too long.(capture, import,
optimize,
> > > > write some HTML, post).
> > > > 2. existing servers don't allow much bandwidth and storage
space. You'll
> > > > either get screwed becasue too mnay people watch your posts, or
you have
> > > to
> > > > earse your archive video because youre out of space.
> > > > 3. what is the language of videoblogging? is it little movies?
or moments
> > > > from your life?
> > > >
> > > > We believe that if we get interested people together, we'll
answer all
> > > > these questions.
> > > > So this is the beginning.
> > > >
> > >
> > > When this group started, there were only a few people who I found
that were
> > > consciously posting video to blogs. Like Steve Garfield or Adrian
Miles in
> > > Melbourne (http://vogmae.net.au/). Most people before 2004 seem to
have
> > > posted video as an experiment as a one-off, were doing live video
> > > streaming,
> > > posted video to html pages (not blogs) so weren't easily
searchable, or
> > > erased their archives.
> > >
> > > Here are some of the early folks in this group as seen from
Videoblogging
> > > Week 2004.
> > > http://www.solitude.dk/archives/vog-week/
> > >
> > > In mid 2005, Youtube began....so by 2006 there were tens of
thousands of
> > > examples of videoblogs.
> > >
> > >
> > > > - How do you define videoblog currently? (Mostly, I have the
feeling the
> > > definition is blurred and quite a lot of different Web-TV-genres
or types
> > > are subsumed under the concept of videoblog.)
> > >
> > > Ill let others jump in here. This is a well-traveled debate in
this group
> > > that comes up every 6-8 months or so.
> > >
> > > By the way, I dont know many German videobloggers (maybe just
Joel?
> > > http://joelart.blogspot.com/). In this group we have plenty of
folks from
> > > Europe (see http://www.vlogeurope.com/) but no Germans. What's the
state
> > > of
> > > videoblogging in Germany in your opinion?
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://ryanishungry.com
> > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > > 917 371 6790
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://geekentertainment.tv
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



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Wow! That's a lot of input! Thanks a lot to you, that's great for my research.

@Jay:

>Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We
>discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd),
>though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his
>academic leanings.

Within my doctorate Adrian's manifesto is going to get quite
some attention in order to discuss the form, the style, the motivation
and the content of videoblogs.

>One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very
>very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more
>open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the
>past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but
>"open" makes more sense than "narcissistic". Making it up as we go
>along. Tear down the castles.

I see, my statement was not written precisely and my sentences can be
misunderstand easily even though I think you, Jay, understood me well. My text
in clear: I assume that Germans slightly tend to judge a videoblogger as
narcissistic (worldwide, not only in the US) Myself, I see videoblogs as a way
of self-assurance, freedom of opinion, sometimes journalism and above all
communication. And here I am coming back to your point, Jay, that means openness
as well.

One thing:
>I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out
>how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say "this is
>this". Both are good at appropriate times.

Perfect! I agree perfectly! Actually, that's the way I am – let's say –
educated. At my university they insist of studying the practise (you can see my
productions here: www.JenniferAhl.de – it's in German, but if you go just to the
top, then to film you can just pick the first row of thumbnails you see and
click on "ansehen" – this film is without speech) and the theory. In short
terms: Synergetic effects of that combination. There is no other way for my
work, I always consider both sides of film and television even if the main focus
lays on one of it.

Bye – and hope everything is understandable
Jenna


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot for forwarding my email (to Joly - who?) and telling a bit
about the early days. It's really helpful for my research because I hadn't been
interested in web-videos at that time. Actually, I hadn't known about it before
there was a local offer (just a >platform with videos) for the town I lived in.
>
> Joly started Punkcast.com and has good stories recording NYC punk
> shows in audio/video starting in late 90's.
> Good article about him:
> http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10-28/news/bootlegger-s-banquet/1
>
> > General, web-tv is not too famous in Germany. Mostly, I have the feeling
it's still an American trend (anyway, especially in tech-stuff, Europe is round
about 4 years behind the US they say)...
> > That's a really, really good question for social science or cultural
anthropology if and why citizens of some societies are more interested in
showing their everyday life…
> > But on the other hand the mainstream reality tv is quite famous in Germany,
even though I think it goes down in some time. (It has been so long the
favourite of the tv networks... )
> > But blogs are different. I think for a society blog and videoblog are a good
way for real self-assurance.
> > Why is it less usual in Germany (assumed it is like that): Maybe blogs are
associated with narcissism. Also, we have a more or less strict liability to
criticism. So with a Videoblog you are really vulnerable.. Just spontaneous
speculation! What do you think?
>
> One way is to see people in the United States as narcissistic. Very
> very true in many ways. But I like to think that many of us are more
> open and craving community that was stripped out of US society the
> past century. It might not always come across in healthy ways, but
> "open" makes more sense than "narcissistic". Making it up as we go
> along. Tear down the castles.
>
> Peter Van Dijck, from Belgian, actually started this group when he
> lived in NYC. He always told me that Americans were much more "in your
> face" and he liked it.
>
> > Can you tell me if the vogma manifesto was discussed within this group? I
haven't found a wide discussion about it. Strange, if I >had been there I would
have had the necessity to discuss it in detail. A pity, five years too late ;-D.
>
> Yes, Adrian Miles was one of the first members of the group. We
> discussed his Vogma Manifesto (http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/vog/tbd),
> though I dont think he found the most responsive audience to his
> academic leanings. We were (are?) a lot of riff raff. In 2005, Michael
> Verdi made the Vlog Anarchy manifesto in response here
> (http://michaelverdi.com/2005/02/20/vlog-anarchy/).
>
> I think a lot of us just starting making stuff instead of figuring out
> how to define it. But I have a side of me that likes to say "this is
> this". Both are good at appropriate times.
>
> There's another group that sprung out of this one that focuses on
> dreamy tech and academic discussions:
> http://groups.google.com/group/artists-in-the-cloud
>
> Jay
>
> --
> http://ryanishungry.com
> http://jaydedman.com
> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> 917 371 6790
>

Hi Kirstin,

Ehrensenf is great, I really like it and actually I am going to analyse it
within my thesis.
- Another videoprogram is "Buschka entdeckt Deutschland" (round about 30 minutes
one guy walks through German cities without any script):
http://www.buschka-entdeckt.de/
- There is www.rebell.tv but it's from Suisse.
- Kavka vs. The Web: http://www.myspace.com/kavkavstheweb (Kavka is a German
journalist)
- http://www.robvegas.de/
- http://www.elektrischer-reporter.de/ (cooperation with a tv network, ZDF)
- http://www.balconytv.com/hamburg/heutige-show.aspx (music-show on a small
balcony in Hamburg)

...there are a lot.
But I can't give you hardly any "real" videoblog apart from prominent people.

Tell me about your impressions sometime.

Jenna

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Kirstin" <kirstinbutler@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jenn,  Nice to meet you! As a big fan of Ehrensenf, I'm curious: what
> other videoprogram-type vlogs are popular in Germany?  Best, Kirstin
> http://www.digest.tv <http://www.digest.tv>
>  http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler
> <http://www.twitter.com/kirstinbutler>  
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "elaluca11" <mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks a lot, Jay and Irina!
> >
> > I had checked the first 20 messages from the beginning of this group
> before I signed in. Really interesting, not only because it's already 5
> years old.
> >
> > I agree, from 2005 on the Web-TV-community changes a lot because of
> YouTube. I divide the Web-TV-development in three parts: from 1993 until
> 2000 with pseudo.com, DEN and webisodes, 2000 until 2005 and the
> YouTube-era until today.
> >
> > Actually, there are not so many German-speaking vlogs. Most formats
> tend to a genre I call videoprogram (those I am concentrating on), they
> are more a semi-professional produced show or magazine (like
> Rocketboom).
> > One quite famous videoblog of the scene just gave up: She
> (Schnutingers Netrzkabarett) was bashed because of acting in a
> commercial . However, in Germany there are rather videoblogs of
> prominent people than those of average citizens: like Angela Merkel's
> videoblog
> http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Webs/BK/De/Mediathek/Videos/videos.html
> (it's stiff and a kind of deadpan but unintentionally funny), the former
> videoblog of a famous show master (the German David Letterman: Harald
> Schmidt) or one blog of a German journalist:
> http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-36686.html.
> >
> >
> > Bye
> > Jenn
> >
> > P.S. Irina, I'll check Geek Entertainment TV out! Thanks for it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina irinaski@ wrote:
> > >
> > > hi jennifer
> > >
> > > i am happy to help u as well
> > >
> > > i am not like steve or jay from 2004
> > > but i am from 2005 lol (november, honestly)
> > >
> > > we are still producing it if u can imagine
> > >
> > > still wordpress plus blip.tv
> > >
> > > i have done many shows since then
> > >
> > > and just started a new one for an online newspaper in sf.
> > >
> > > irina slutsky
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am excited about the discussions in this community and the
> potential of
> > > > so many people sharing thoughts about this topic!
> > > > > My first questions to you are:
> > > > > - Does someone know videoblogs founded from 2000 on (apart from
> Steve
> > > > Garfield and Adam Kontras), English- or German-speaking ones?
> > > >
> > > > You should look in the archives of this group, started in 2004.
> > > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/messages/1?l=1
> > > > Here you will see how we were talking about "videoblogs" back
> then. Plenty
> > > > of debates over the concept, term, and technical implementation.
> This is
> > > > one
> > > > of the frist messages of this group:
> > > >
> > > > (Peter and I) have had long talks about videoblogging and wanted
> to bring
> > > > > other people into the conversation.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ability to put video on blogs seems amazing to us, but there
> seem to
> > > > be
> > > > > some obstacles.
> > > > > 1. Technically, the process takes too long.(capture, import,
> optimize,
> > > > > write some HTML, post).
> > > > > 2. existing servers don't allow much bandwidth and storage
> space. You'll
> > > > > either get screwed becasue too mnay people watch your posts, or
> you have
> > > > to
> > > > > earse your archive video because youre out of space.
> > > > > 3. what is the language of videoblogging? is it little movies?
> or moments
> > > > > from your life?
> > > > >
> > > > > We believe that if we get interested people together, we'll
> answer all
> > > > > these questions.
> > > > > So this is the beginning.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > When this group started, there were only a few people who I found
> that were
> > > > consciously posting video to blogs. Like Steve Garfield or Adrian
> Miles in
> > > > Melbourne (http://vogmae.net.au/). Most people before 2004 seem to
> have
> > > > posted video as an experiment as a one-off, were doing live video
> > > > streaming,
> > > > posted video to html pages (not blogs) so weren't easily
> searchable, or
> > > > erased their archives.
> > > >
> > > > Here are some of the early folks in this group as seen from
> Videoblogging
> > > > Week 2004.
> > > > http://www.solitude.dk/archives/vog-week/
> > > >
> > > > In mid 2005, Youtube began....so by 2006 there were tens of
> thousands of
> > > > examples of videoblogs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > - How do you define videoblog currently? (Mostly, I have the
> feeling the
> > > > definition is blurred and quite a lot of different Web-TV-genres
> or types
> > > > are subsumed under the concept of videoblog.)
> > > >
> > > > Ill let others jump in here. This is a well-traveled debate in
> this group
> > > > that comes up every 6-8 months or so.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, I dont know many German videobloggers (maybe just
> Joel?
> > > > http://joelart.blogspot.com/). In this group we have plenty of
> folks from
> > > > Europe (see http://www.vlogeurope.com/) but no Germans. What's the
> state
> > > > of
> > > > videoblogging in Germany in your opinion?
> > > >
> > > > Jay
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://ryanishungry.com
> > > > http://jaydedman.com
> > > > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > > > 917 371 6790
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi WGBH Lab Friends,

We're down to the last round of submissions for the iPod Nano contest, and we
need your help.  In order for these Life Stories to win, they need comments. 
Take a moment to watch the 3 finalists, and leave a comment letting them know
what you think.  Your comment could help them win an iPod Nano.

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Judith Klausner: Artist - What if you woke up tomorrow trapped in the body of an
insect? Follow artist Judith Klausner on her journey to create sculptures that
hybridize humans and bugs.
http://thewgbhlab.org/nova_video/judith-klausner-artist-1

Images Lost and Found - This Life Story is about the fleeting moments of
happiness so often intermingled with an inescapable feeling of loss.  A moment
will pass and then you will fully realize what it means to be human.
http://thewgbhlab.org/nova_video/images-lost-and-found

Becoming a True Human Being - Explore how research taught human beings how to
reach their highest creative potential.
http://thewgbhlab.org/nova_video/nova-becoming-true-human-being

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And it's not too late to submit YOUR Life Story.  The WGBH Lab is accepting
submissions until December 31st, 2009.  Your work may be broadcast in
conjunction with NOVA programming on life and evolution.  Visit the site for
details: http://thewgbhlab.org/nova-splash.

Thanks, and have a great day!
The WGBH Lab
lab.wgbh.org