Hi.

I'm Javier Abadía. I'm a software developer in Spain. Our company
develops Mission Planning Software for Air Forces.

My part is the Terrain Visualization facilities in the application. I (we) have
to develop a system that automatically gets DEMS, GeoTiffs, DFADs and
so (in many, many different formats) and generates a real-time terrain
skin (to say so in TerraVista manual words).

I think my two main problems will be:

- Making a system that works automatically, used by a non-technical user,
   and still generates useful terrains.

- Allowing quite large scale terrains as well as having a lot of detail in
there.
   (think that a plane could take off in Madrid and land in Moscow for example).

I expect to get some guidelines and advice from this list. Also I would like
to contribute to the list with useful information and experience when I can.

Let's see...


Aaadios!  (Goood Bye! :-))


----------------------------------------------------
Javier Abadía Miranda     \   ESPELSA - Division STC
Ingeniero en Informática   \        (Madrid - SPAIN)
Especialista en Informática \
Gráfica                      \

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Discoe, Ben [SMTP:ben@...]
Enviado el: jueves 24 de agosto de 2000 22:45
Para: 'vtp@egroups.com'
Asunto: [vtp] List is Alive


Greetings VTP people,

I'm happy to announce that this mailing list is now fully subscribed and
functional.  The entire VTP recipient database has been added successfully -
there are 195 of you in 30 countries!

A payment has been sent to eGroups so that soon, no advertisements will
appear at the bottom of each message.

It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.  If you
are working on a particular geographical area, or particular subject within
the field of virtual terrain, it can be a good way to find other people like
yourself.

Your humble moderator,

Ben Discoe
ben@...



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Hello vtp Group;
I am new to this group,
When i saw vtp site i found it great. It is nice to be in this group.
I work on 3D programming. Especially using OpenGL. Though it is still
in progress i make a my own 3d object format. I Plan to progress in
animation in 3D. That means i have still much to learn from this group.
Wishing all group have nice and good achivements in their work and life..

Byes All
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Hello!

   I'm Bryan Turner, a freelance research programmer.  I hold down a day job
at Cisco Systems working on IP Phone technologies.

   I was heavily into terrain rendering a few months back while designing a
module for my programming library.  I wrote an article on Gamasutra
describing my results.  And if ever my time returns to me, I'll finish up
the code for an extended demo.  My main interests lay in real-time
simulation as an aid to Human-Computer interfaces.  Nowadays this generally
means game programming.  I envision future operating systems making use of
the third dimension to help us understand and interact with our tools.

All of my released projects are available through my uber-bare web page:
http://www.geocities.com/gone2rave/terrain.htm

   I am currently involved in learning Networking & Distributed Computing,
which will become another module in my programming library.

And a great thank-you to Ben for all his work, your project is an
inspiration & aspiration.
--Bryan
bryan.turner@...

Hi,

I'm Thatcher Ulrich, I'm the programmer for a small game company which is
about to release Soul Ride, a snowboarding sim for PC (see
http://soulride.com ).  Soul Ride uses USGS DEM data as the starting point
for modeling real mountains (the initial release will include Mammoth
Mountain in CA and Mt Washington in NH).

The Soul Ride engine is designed to render Continuous LOD on adaptively
sampled (quadtree) height data.  You can read more about the workings of the
LOD algorithm in the GamaSutra article linked off my personal page.  There's
free demo source code with the article as well.

I'm always interested in better ways to acquire, edit and interactively
render real-world data.

--
Thatcher Ulrich
http://tulrich.com

>I'd love to hear more about what you're trying here. Water that collects in

>pools and flows in response to gravity and terrain deformation is something

>that's been in the back of my mind for a while. I think with a normal
>height field it should be doable, but more general geometry would be
>painful (having it flow into a cave for example). At one point I had an
>idea that seemed workable for a height field, but I haven't had a chance to

>really flesh it out.

The method I'm using currently is essentially a slightly optimized version
of the algorithm in Jim Chen's paper, "Physically-Based Modeling and
Real-Time Simulation of Fluids".  There's a link to the paper on the VTP
water page.  The method is intended for heightfields, but can be generalized
by treating other geometry as localized heightfields.
There are a couple of problems in the approach I'm using, though.
  - No LOD.  I need to work out a useful way to do LOD with the Navier-Stokes
equations.
  - Volume conservation is really expensive.  At least my attempt is; the
complicated part is increasing the size of a puddle since you have to scan
the surrounding terrain to see if you grow outward or upward and the amount
you grow is volume rather than area-based.
  - Only doing incompressible 2D Navier-Stokes.  Pretty useful for surface
dynamics but doesn't deal with submerged objects and has bad behavior at
boundaries.  I'm looking into training an AI (some high-capacity neural net)
to do the full 3D Navier-Stokes in real time, but don't know yet if I can
get enough accuracy for this to be a worthwhile approach.


John C Barstow
Qpass®
Sr Consulting Architect
206-447-6000

My laptop is about a pound heavier because of all of this email...  :-)

Great to see all of the interest in Ben's work.

Mark Lucas, CTO at ImageLinks, we do commercial remote sensing
processing http://www.imagelinks.com

We also host remotesensing.org - an open source site for accumulating
and growing remote sensing and GIS software
http://www.remotesensing.org

Really interested in moving all of this towards full blown 3D
simulation and we are working on libraries towards that end and see
some collaboaration with vtp.  That work can seen at
http://www.ossim.org

Look forward to working with everyone.  (Norman Vine and I seem to
travel in the same circles, we will have to meet sometime)...

Mark

--
**********************
Mark R Lucas
Chief Technical Officer
ImageLinks Inc.
4450 W Eau Gallie Blvd
Suite 164
Melbourne Fl 32934

321 253 0011 (work)
321 253 5559 (fax)

mlucas@...
**********************

Did anyone shit when when that lot came in?

or are you all that popular:)

tastes like good spam to me guy's:P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Samuel Taylor" <sam.taylor@...>
To: <vtp@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [vtp] List is Alive


> Hi All,
>
> Is everyone else suffering from InBox overflow? Oh well, thought I
> should add my couple of hundred bytes to the problem ;)
>
> I'm a Ph.D student at the Australian National University in Canberra
> working on using Virtual Environments for geospatial imagery
> exploitation. Unfortunately I'm at the writing stage now so all code
> development has been put on hold for the next six months.
>
> In my spare time I have also developed a water surface effects plugin
> for 3DSMax, known as Seascape (http://www.seascape.com.au). The web
> site is a little stale but will get a burst of life as soon as the
> old thesis is done.
>
> Anyway nice to hear from all of you, and many thanks to Ben and the
> crew for all their efforts with VTP.
>
> -- Sam
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Samuel Taylor                             mailto:sam.taylor@...
> Department of Computer Science            phone:       +61 2 6279 8176
> Australian National University            fax:         +61 2 6249 0010
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vtp-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

Hi All,

Is everyone else suffering from InBox overflow? Oh well, thought I
should add my couple of hundred bytes to the problem ;)

I'm a Ph.D student at the Australian National University in Canberra
working on using Virtual Environments for geospatial imagery
exploitation. Unfortunately I'm at the writing stage now so all code
development has been put on hold for the next six months.

In my spare time I have also developed a water surface effects plugin
for 3DSMax, known as Seascape (http://www.seascape.com.au). The web
site is a little stale but will get a burst of life as soon as the
old thesis is done.

Anyway nice to hear from all of you, and many thanks to Ben and the
crew for all their efforts with VTP.

-- Sam


______________________________________________________________________
Samuel Taylor                             mailto:sam.taylor@...
Department of Computer Science            phone:       +61 2 6279 8176
Australian National University            fax:         +61 2 6249 0010

Hi, I was surprised by the sudden life in the group. I am doing a part-time
research project at Melbourne uni. I am visualising (there must be a better
word) a volcano erupting, and seeing how well the different VRML,
Animations, Game Engines deliver a learning point to High School students,
being a teacher I thought I might as well use my captive audience as guinea
pigs. I feel Unreal Tournament is the way to go for teaching history,geog,
sci. But Morfit is my favourite vehicle as it is free. Any suggestions about
engines that allow multiuser that are free, and that an old schoolie can
master.Yours Brian Quinn

Hello VTP group!

I am responsible for the Distributed Intel Scene Manager (aka DISM) that VTP
uses to load and display 3D. My role in the VTP project is more one of
service since my contribution is in providing a framework for VTP graphics
development.

My research topic currently is using multiple processors for parallel scene
management. This includes distributing both simulation and geometry
workloads. VTP is a potentially infinite workload which presents serious
technical challenges for load balancing and distribution across a network.

I am also working on web-enabling DISM. Right now the DISM object model is
exported via the Java Native Interface and we have ActiveX and NetScape
plugins.  I am hoping to make JNI wrappers for some of the VTP classes so
that they may be called from Java as well.

Ben is pioneering in the area of open source. I will eventually follow in
his footsteps and make the DISM source publicly available.

Thanks,

Nola Donato
graphics researcher
Intel Corp
2200 Mission College Blvd SC-303
Santa Clara CA 95052

nola.donato@...

Hi Peter,

You can go your "Profile" page on eGroups, and set it to send you plain-text
email only.

Good luck,
Ben

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dobrovka@... [mailto:dobrovka@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:55 PM
> To: vtp@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [vtp] still alive .....
>
>
> Please do not post HTML-E-mails which try to download something!
>
> Peter
>

Please do not post HTML-E-mails which try to download something!

Peter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Oliver Gerlach <gerlach@...>
An: vtp-Group <vtp@egroups.com>
Datum: Donnerstag, 24. August 2000 17:16
Betreff: [vtp] still alive .....


hello everyone, hi ben.....

yes, i'm still alive and thanks for adding me to the group, but i am very busy
at university so i didnt manage to make any progress on gathering or the vtp
distribution.... hope this will change in the next month so i can stop working
on boring projects and focus on interesting things.... so long,
bye olly

_______________________________________________________________
olly@...
ww.geminirealms.f2s.com

Hi!

My name is Peter Dobrovka. I am a game software developer from Germany. My
current project is 3DTT, a sequel to Transport Tycoon in 3D (see sig.). My
on-topic-interests are landscape modelling and the construction of roads and
railroads and the simulation of city expansion influenced by terrain.

Peter
--
WAY-X-Homepage:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

The List is Alive all right...good grief!

Since I can't get any work done, thanks to all the VTP mail flooding my
machine, I might as well say hello too ;)
My name is Mike Dickheiser, and I'm a programmer with a computer game
company in Cary, NC, called "iRock Interactive".

My primary interests/responsibilities relate to physics and collision
detection of all kinds. Additionally, I've been working on a real-time
dynamic water engine for use in our products. This is essentially a 2d
system (surface considerations only), but it's sufficient to generate
realistic looking waves, ripples, and wakes for objects moving across the
surface. It also produces really nice reflections against terrain and
anything else for which such a thing is deemed interesting.

Since I noticed a few other gamers in the list you might recall mention of
a title being produced by Interactive Magic called "Red Fury". This was the
fluid engine for that game, and was shown at E3 in Atlanta a few years back.

Anywaze, the point of all the gab is presumably the same as for others, to
introduce myself and share a few things that others might find interesting,
possibly to the extent of opening up some long-term communication lines.

So, if you're into physics, collision systems, fluid simulation, or game
programming in general, or heck, anything else, feel free to drop me an
e-line.

-Mike


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  M i k e  D i c k h e i s e r
      Software Engineer
      iRock Interactive

  114 MacKenan Drive Suite 100
        Cary, NC 27511
     (919) 467-9700 x3052
   mike.dickheiser@...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ben Discoe writes:
>
>Greetings VTP people,

First off Kudo's to Ben and all involved in making vterrain.org
the great resource that it is.  :-))

>It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.

For work I help make real time Electonic Charting Systems and do
a lot of bathymetric modeling.

For play I help develop several Open Source Projects.
http://www.flightgear.org
http://prettypoly.sourceforge.net
http://plib.sourceforge.net
http://www.ossim.org
which may be of interest.

I live in Woods Hole, Ma USA.  This is on Cape Cod so if any of you
are vacationing this way give a shout and we can arrange a meet.

Cheers

Norman Vine

At 02:27 PM 8/24/2000, you wrote:
>So far I have sun position and sky colour (single scattering) working in
>real-time, although *something* in my calculations blows up after sunset
>(night sky flashes funny colours).

Heh.

>Fluid dynamics constrained to fixed boundaries seems to perform reasonably
>well with reasonable performance, but volume conservation (needed for
>dynamic terrain and things like puddle formation) brings the system to its
>knees.

I'd love to hear more about what you're trying here. Water that collects in
pools and flows in response to gravity and terrain deformation is something
that's been in the back of my mind for a while. I think with a normal
height field it should be doable, but more general geometry would be
painful (having it flow into a cave for example). At one point I had an
idea that seemed workable for a height field, but I haven't had a chance to
really flesh it out.

Tom

>It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.  If you
>are working on a particular geographical area, or particular subject within
>the field of virtual terrain, it can be a good way to find other people like
>yourself.

This is a pleasant surprise!

I am attempting to integrate maritime chart data (bays, inlets, tides,
etc..) and harbor/pier info to make something useful for navigation
training and simulation.


____"Chance has put in our way a most singular and whimsical problem"__
Patrick E. Hughes          Treyarch Invention           Senior Engineer
hughes@...  United States Coast Guard Auxiliary
Work 310-563-5721     USCG-Aux 11S-12-07-195  FSO-PS/CS
________________And it's solution is its own reward." Sherlock Holmes__

Hello, all.
My name is John Barstow and I'm experimenting with real-time fluid dynamics
on terrain (rivers, lakes, etc.).  I'm also working on physically-based sky
colour/clouds.
I'm based in Issaquah, WA (near Seattle), using the DEM data from the
University of Washington.

So far I have sun position and sky colour (single scattering) working in
real-time, although *something* in my calculations blows up after sunset
(night sky flashes funny colours).
Fluid dynamics constrained to fixed boundaries seems to perform reasonably
well with reasonable performance, but volume conservation (needed for
dynamic terrain and things like puddle formation) brings the system to its
knees.

John C Barstow
Qpass®
Sr Consulting Architect
206-447-6000

At 01:44 PM 8/24/2000, you wrote:

>Greetings VTP people,
>
>I'm happy to announce that this mailing list is now fully subscribed and
>functional.  The entire VTP recipient database has been added successfully -
>there are 195 of you in 30 countries!
>
>A payment has been sent to eGroups so that soon, no advertisements will
>appear at the bottom of each message.

Looks to me like you're getting ads anyway.

>It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.  If you
>are working on a particular geographical area, or particular subject within
>the field of virtual terrain, it can be a good way to find other people like
>yourself.

I work on real-time deformable terrain rendering for Longbow Digital Arts
(signed on as Lead Programmer after Seumas passed away). Currently we're
using his CLOD scheme using bin-trees (derived from ROAM), but I'm going to
start researching VIPM for the purpose in the next couple of months. This
is mostly inspired by a port to a soon to popular console, but should be
applicable to the PC platform as well. Working on other things right now,
but hopefully I'll be able to get back onto terrain in October.

Tom

Phil Scadden writes:
> I'm Phil and interested in VTP for seabed visualisation. (Ie
> bathymetry with possible acoustic reflectence as a texture over the
> top.)

Phil,

At one point I think I heard someone claim you could derive a rough
approximation of the color of the sea based on water depth ...

Do you know of any free data on a world wide scale?  It might be
interesting first pass at varying the ocean color in my flightgear
project. :-)

Thanks,

Curt.
--
Curtis Olson   Human Factors Research Lab       Flight Gear Project
Twin Cities    curt@...                curt@...
Minnesota      http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt   http://www.flightgear.org

> Hi,

I'm Phil and interested in VTP for seabed visualisation. (Ie bathymetry with
possible acoustic reflectence as a texture over the top.)

----------------------------------------------------------
Phil Scadden, Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences
41 Bell Rd South, PO Box 30368, Lower Hutt, New Zealand
Ph +64 4 5704821, fax +64 4 5704603

oops, that should have read....very easy to insert culture into enviro not
Max!

Cassandra Thomas
Research Associate
Giga Information Group
W.Phone 408-327-4337
Cell 408-505-3887
Voicemail 408-327-4357

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-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas, Cassandra [mailto:CThomas@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:00 PM
To: Vtp (E-mail)
Subject: [vtp] Greetings All!


Hi All!

My name is Cassandra Thomas and I am in California. I am very interested in
the idea of temporal models of geographic areas, i.e. modeling how areas
change over time. This interest in extending VTP temporally grows out of my
interest in the environment and urban planning. I also like to model with 3d
studio (very easy to insert culture into Max...i feel a VTP F.A.Q. coming
on) and I love using Xfrog (www.greenworks.de) to work on plants! My
programming skills are minimal but growing - by day, i am a web usability
consultant). I currently work on Virtual Hawaii when I have time but I am
also am interested in modeling New Orleans concentrating on historical
change in the French Quarter. Anyone from that area? Anyone not mind a few
house guests?

Cassandra Thomas
Research Associate
Giga Information Group
W.Phone 408-327-4337
Cell 408-505-3887
Voicemail 408-327-4357

Assess your Web Site's capabilities and overall
effectiveness against your competitors' and selected "best practice" sites.

  http://www.websitescorecard.com/


P.S. I am also Ben's significant other and this is important for we travel a
lot together. Next year we will be back in Hawaii and also will be in
Amsterdam and Romania and Moldova and would love to meet up with other VTP
users! buna ziua!





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Hello,

  My name is Clint Brewer.
I'm a programmer for Haptek Inc. in Santa Cruz California.
My main interest in VTP is rooted in natural game environments.
That said, I'm mostly interested in realistically simulating non existent
worlds.

   On the reality side, I'm interested in archaeology and GIS
I'm interested in archaeological site simulation in the Greater Santa Cruz
las padres area.

~clint

"Thomas, Cassandra" wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> My name is Cassandra Thomas and I am in California. I am very interested in
> the idea of temporal models of geographic areas, i.e. modeling how areas
> change over time. This interest in extending VTP temporally grows out of my
> interest in the environment and urban planning. I also like to model with 3d
> studio (very easy to insert culture into Max...i feel a VTP F.A.Q. coming
> on) and I love using Xfrog (www.greenworks.de) to work on plants! My
> programming skills are minimal but growing - by day, i am a web usability
> consultant). I currently work on Virtual Hawaii when I have time but I am
> also am interested in modeling New Orleans concentrating on historical
> change in the French Quarter. Anyone from that area? Anyone not mind a few
> house guests?
>
> Cassandra Thomas
> Research Associate
> Giga Information Group
> W.Phone 408-327-4337
> Cell 408-505-3887
> Voicemail 408-327-4357
>
> Assess your Web Site's capabilities and overall
> effectiveness against your competitors' and selected "best practice" sites.
>
>  http://www.websitescorecard.com/
>
> P.S. I am also Ben's significant other and this is important for we travel a
> lot together. Next year we will be back in Hawaii and also will be in
> Amsterdam and Romania and Moldova and would love to meet up with other VTP
> users! buna ziua!
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vtp-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Discoe, Ben writes:
> It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.
> If you are working on a particular geographical area, or particular
> subject within the field of virtual terrain, it can be a good way to
> find other people like yourself.

Ok, I'll take a minute to introduce myself.

My name is Curt Olson.  I work at the Human Factors Research Lab at
the University of Minnesota.  My duties primarily center around
developing and supporting our driving simulators:

     http://www.hfrl.umn.edu/

In my "spare" time I coordinate the FlightGear open source flight
simulator project:

     http://www.flightgear.org

I've been the main force behind the scenery development for this
project.  My work has mainly focused on developing a set of automated
tools to transform raw data into final scenery.  I can regenerate the
entire world in about 5 hours using a set of 25 linux machines to
distribute the work.

I think much of what I've done or am doing parallels what is going on
with vtp, although we are concentrating on a specific "slice" of
terrain/scenery generation approaches.  Our concern is real time
rendering performance and levels of detail appropriate for flight
simulation.

Currently I'm working on code to automatically build airports based on
an extensive airport/runway database.  This is tedious work, but beats
doing it by hand in some modeling program for every airport out
there... :-) Obviously we sacrifice some detail/reality by working
from a database, but the goal is to eventually allow people to hand
tweak areas to add additional detail.

We have a web site setup for the terrain generation / 3d mapping
portion of the flightgear project:

     http://www.terragear.org/

It's rather sparse at the moment, but it all our code developed to
date is available there.

A potentially interesting spinoff from the flightgear project is a
moving map program called atlas:

     http://atlas.sourceforge.net/

This package can generate bitmaps directly from the FlightGear scenery
and then tile them together in a moving map display.  It overlay
runways and navaids in real time.  You can zoom in/out attach your
(real) gps via a serial port, or talk via network to a running copy of
FlightGear to display your current position and surroundings.  Obvious
disclaimer that I wish wasn't necessary to include: we are using free
non-validate, non-current data so it would be illegal, not to mention
*really* stupid to try to use this to navigate your airplane someplace
in real life.  You don't want to break out of the clouds at 100' agl,
realize you are 1/2 mile off from where the runway really is and find
your self dead center lined up with a water tower or something. :-)

I love to discuss flight simulators and terrain generation. :-)

Curt.
--
Curtis Olson   Human Factors Research Lab       Flight Gear Project
Twin Cities    curt@...                curt@...
Minnesota      http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt   http://www.flightgear.org

Hi All!

My name is Cassandra Thomas and I am in California. I am very interested in
the idea of temporal models of geographic areas, i.e. modeling how areas
change over time. This interest in extending VTP temporally grows out of my
interest in the environment and urban planning. I also like to model with 3d
studio (very easy to insert culture into Max...i feel a VTP F.A.Q. coming
on) and I love using Xfrog (www.greenworks.de) to work on plants! My
programming skills are minimal but growing - by day, i am a web usability
consultant). I currently work on Virtual Hawaii when I have time but I am
also am interested in modeling New Orleans concentrating on historical
change in the French Quarter. Anyone from that area? Anyone not mind a few
house guests?

Cassandra Thomas
Research Associate
Giga Information Group
W.Phone 408-327-4337
Cell 408-505-3887
Voicemail 408-327-4357

Assess your Web Site's capabilities and overall
effectiveness against your competitors' and selected "best practice" sites.

  http://www.websitescorecard.com/


P.S. I am also Ben's significant other and this is important for we travel a
lot together. Next year we will be back in Hawaii and also will be in
Amsterdam and Romania and Moldova and would love to meet up with other VTP
users! buna ziua!

Hi,
    I'm Martyn and I'm interested in using VTP in architectural / gaming
applications.

Martyn

Greetings VTP people,

I'm happy to announce that this mailing list is now fully subscribed and
functional.  The entire VTP recipient database has been added successfully -
there are 195 of you in 30 countries!

A payment has been sent to eGroups so that soon, no advertisements will
appear at the bottom of each message.

It's a good time now for people to introduce themselves to the list.  If you
are working on a particular geographical area, or particular subject within
the field of virtual terrain, it can be a good way to find other people like
yourself.

Your humble moderator,

Ben Discoe
ben@...

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Thanks!

Well, this is my first post on VTP eGroup.
I started to work on VTP 5 months ago but got very busy the last
couple of months and didn't really follow the progress of VTP.
Now, with this new forum, I think I'll get more involved in this
project that I'm still highly interested to.
I even forecasted a VTP section on my web site that I planned to
develop sometime soon.
Anyway, thanks to contact me and to keep me informed on the project.
Thanks to Ben Discoe too.
Jean-Louis