Actually, I'm not looking for tech support as much as someone who has given
a hair plugin a try with good results. Have you ever heard of anybody trying
it?  I'd buy WCS in a second if I get a positive response. I really love the
look of some of the WCS 5 scenes. The tutorial with the WCS 5 demo is
excellent and easy to understand. Thanks for all your help though Chris. I
really do appreciate it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris 'Xenon' Hanson" <xenon@...>
To: <wcsml@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WCS] Hair plugins and WCS?


> John Mullany wrote:
>
> > I did try the test you mentioned and the hair is in the zbuffer with the
> > hair pixel filter added and when I eliminate hair in the pixel filter it
is
> > gone in the zbuffer. Any other ideas?
>
>    Dunno. If it's in the Z-Buffer, WCS's compositing should
> respect it. Not sure how WB's compositing differs, so I can't
> really do tech support for them. ;)
>
> Chris - Xenon
> --
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>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to
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hello,

       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use with
WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
                            Charles

ctuck@... wrote:

> hello,
>       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use with
> WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
> have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
> actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
> advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
> think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
>                            Charles

    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
can do.

Chris - Xenon
--
   Chris Hanson | Xenon@... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to Exist." - Xen

Major difference for me is in the scripting language:

AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built specifically to support
AV3.x
applications.

AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for customization.  No
migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated over the years.

I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I upgrade, to
leverage the
Avenue Script library I have.

Cheers,
Zack

Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:

> ctuck@... wrote:
>
> > hello,
> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use with
> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
> >                            Charles
>
>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
> can do.
>
> Chris - Xenon
> --
>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to Exist." -
Xen
>
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Ditto.

Regards,
Mel

Mel VanderWal
GIS Manager / Programmer
GAIA Consultants Inc.
Suite 306, 822-11th Avenue SW
Calgary, Alberta
Canada
T2R 0E5
Phone: (403) 571-7216
Fax: (403) 571-7211
www.gaiaenv.com
vanderwalm@...

>-----Original Message-----
>From: James A. Zack [mailto:xsp@...]
>Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:40 AM
>To: wcsml@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WCS] ArcView 8.1
>
>
>Major difference for me is in the scripting language:
>
>AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built specifically
>to support AV3.x
>applications.
>
>AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for
>customization.  No
>migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated
>over the years.
>
>I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I
>upgrade, to leverage the
>Avenue Script library I have.
>
>Cheers,
>Zack
>
>Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:
>
>> ctuck@... wrote:
>>
>> > hello,
>> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use with
>> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
>> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
>> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
>> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
>> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
>> >                            Charles
>>
>>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
>> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
>> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
>> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
>> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
>> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
>> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
>> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
>> can do.
>>
>> Chris - Xenon
>> --
>>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
>>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
>>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is
>to Exist." - Xen
>>
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Hello,

        It seems that there is really no reason to upgrade to 8.1?
The only changes that they really pitched was the newer interface,
and more modern programming model.looks like I'll stick with ver. 3.1.
Thanks for your input.


--- In wcsml@y..., "Mel VanderWal" <vanderwalm@g...> wrote:
> Ditto.
>
> Regards,
> Mel
>
> Mel VanderWal
> GIS Manager / Programmer
> GAIA Consultants Inc.
> Suite 306, 822-11th Avenue SW
> Calgary, Alberta
> Canada
> T2R 0E5
> Phone: (403) 571-7216
> Fax: (403) 571-7211
> www.gaiaenv.com
> vanderwalm@g...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: James A. Zack [mailto:xsp@q...]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:40 AM
> >To: wcsml@y...
> >Subject: Re: [WCS] ArcView 8.1
> >
> >
> >Major difference for me is in the scripting language:
> >
> >AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built specifically
> >to support AV3.x
> >applications.
> >
> >AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for
> >customization.  No
> >migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated
> >over the years.
> >
> >I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I
> >upgrade, to leverage the
> >Avenue Script library I have.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Zack
> >
> >Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:
> >
> >> ctuck@c... wrote:
> >>
> >> > hello,
> >> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for
use with
> >> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does
anybody
> >> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily
into
> >> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a
major
> >> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people
would
> >> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
> >> >                            Charles
> >>
> >>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
> >> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
> >> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
> >> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
> >> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
> >> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
> >> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
> >> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
> >> can do.
> >>
> >> Chris - Xenon
> >> --
> >>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@3... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
> >>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!
http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
> >>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is
> >to Exist." - Xen
> >>
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Whoa!  There's a ton of new features for 8.1 including the ability to mix themes
of
various projections in a single "View" and on-the-fly coordinate projection. 
Also
ability to mix local themes and Web-based themes in a view (without
downloading).
I'm sure there's a lot more: visit www.esri.com for details.  But for WCSers,
there's
probably little need to upgrade unless you love to work with planimetric data
;^).

BTW, ArcCatalog is like an asset manager for spatial data.  Quite useful if you
accumulate a lot of geodata.

Cheers,
Zack

ctuck@... wrote:

> Hello,
>
>        It seems that there is really no reason to upgrade to 8.1?
> The only changes that they really pitched was the newer interface,
> and more modern programming model.looks like I'll stick with ver. 3.1.
> Thanks for your input.
>
> --- In wcsml@y..., "Mel VanderWal" <vanderwalm@g...> wrote:
> > Ditto.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mel
> >
> > Mel VanderWal
> > GIS Manager / Programmer
> > GAIA Consultants Inc.
> > Suite 306, 822-11th Avenue SW
> > Calgary, Alberta
> > Canada
> > T2R 0E5
> > Phone: (403) 571-7216
> > Fax: (403) 571-7211
> > www.gaiaenv.com
> > vanderwalm@g...
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: James A. Zack [mailto:xsp@q...]
> > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:40 AM
> > >To: wcsml@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [WCS] ArcView 8.1
> > >
> > >
> > >Major difference for me is in the scripting language:
> > >
> > >AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built specifically
> > >to support AV3.x
> > >applications.
> > >
> > >AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for
> > >customization.  No
> > >migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated
> > >over the years.
> > >
> > >I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I
> > >upgrade, to leverage the
> > >Avenue Script library I have.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Zack
> > >
> > >Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:
> > >
> > >> ctuck@c... wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > hello,
> > >> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for
> use with
> > >> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does
> anybody
> > >> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily
> into
> > >> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a
> major
> > >> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people
> would
> > >> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
> > >> >                            Charles
> > >>
> > >>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
> > >> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
> > >> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
> > >> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
> > >> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
> > >> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
> > >> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
> > >> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
> > >> can do.
> > >>
> > >> Chris - Xenon
> > >> --
> > >>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@3... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
> > >>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!
> http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
> > >>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is
> > >to Exist." - Xen
> > >>
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--------------------------------

James,

           You don't know if you can purchase just ArcCatalog do you?
I have tons of geodata, and the pile gets larger every day.  I
managed to convince the pricipals in my company to give me my own
RAID system on the SAN.  If you can't do you know of any other
cataloger to make my organisation easier.  Thanks


                                  Charles

--- In wcsml@y..., "James A. Zack" <xsp@q...> wrote:
> Whoa!  There's a ton of new features for 8.1 including the ability
to mix themes of
> various projections in a single "View" and on-the-fly coordinate
projection.  Also
> ability to mix local themes and Web-based themes in a view (without
downloading).
> I'm sure there's a lot more: visit www.esri.com for details.  But
for WCSers, there's
> probably little need to upgrade unless you love to work with
planimetric data ;^).
>
> BTW, ArcCatalog is like an asset manager for spatial data.  Quite
useful if you
> accumulate a lot of geodata.
>
> Cheers,
> Zack
>
> ctuck@c... wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >        It seems that there is really no reason to upgrade to 8.1?
> > The only changes that they really pitched was the newer interface,
> > and more modern programming model.looks like I'll stick with ver.
3.1.
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > --- In wcsml@y..., "Mel VanderWal" <vanderwalm@g...> wrote:
> > > Ditto.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mel
> > >
> > > Mel VanderWal
> > > GIS Manager / Programmer
> > > GAIA Consultants Inc.
> > > Suite 306, 822-11th Avenue SW
> > > Calgary, Alberta
> > > Canada
> > > T2R 0E5
> > > Phone: (403) 571-7216
> > > Fax: (403) 571-7211
> > > www.gaiaenv.com
> > > vanderwalm@g...
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: James A. Zack [mailto:xsp@q...]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:40 AM
> > > >To: wcsml@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [WCS] ArcView 8.1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Major difference for me is in the scripting language:
> > > >
> > > >AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built
specifically
> > > >to support AV3.x
> > > >applications.
> > > >
> > > >AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for
> > > >customization.  No
> > > >migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated
> > > >over the years.
> > > >
> > > >I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I
> > > >upgrade, to leverage the
> > > >Avenue Script library I have.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Zack
> > > >
> > > >Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ctuck@c... wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > hello,
> > > >> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility
for
> > use with
> > > >> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does
> > anybody
> > > >> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to
heavily
> > into
> > > >> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a
> > major
> > > >> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people
> > would
> > > >> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
> > > >> >                            Charles
> > > >>
> > > >>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
> > > >> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
> > > >> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
> > > >> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
> > > >> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
> > > >> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
> > > >> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
> > > >> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
> > > >> can do.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris - Xenon
> > > >> --
> > > >>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@3... | I've got friends in low
latitudes!
> > > >>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!
> > http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
> > > >>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive
is
> > > >to Exist." - Xen
> > > >>
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Charles,

I believe that ArcCatalog is a core component of both ArcGIS 8.1 and ArcView
8.1.
AFAIK it cannot be purchased separately.

I personally don't know of any other S/W for geo-asset management.

Cheers,
Zack

ctuck@... wrote:

> James,
>
>           You don't know if you can purchase just ArcCatalog do you?
> I have tons of geodata, and the pile gets larger every day.  I
> managed to convince the pricipals in my company to give me my own
> RAID system on the SAN.  If you can't do you know of any other
> cataloger to make my organisation easier.  Thanks
>
>                                  Charles
>
> --- In wcsml@y..., "James A. Zack" <xsp@q...> wrote:
> > Whoa!  There's a ton of new features for 8.1 including the ability
> to mix themes of
> > various projections in a single "View" and on-the-fly coordinate
> projection.  Also
> > ability to mix local themes and Web-based themes in a view (without
> downloading).
> > I'm sure there's a lot more: visit www.esri.com for details.  But
> for WCSers, there's
> > probably little need to upgrade unless you love to work with
> planimetric data ;^).
> >
> > BTW, ArcCatalog is like an asset manager for spatial data.  Quite
> useful if you
> > accumulate a lot of geodata.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Zack
> >
> > ctuck@c... wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >        It seems that there is really no reason to upgrade to 8.1?
> > > The only changes that they really pitched was the newer interface,
> > > and more modern programming model.looks like I'll stick with ver.
> 3.1.
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > --- In wcsml@y..., "Mel VanderWal" <vanderwalm@g...> wrote:
> > > > Ditto.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > > Mel VanderWal
> > > > GIS Manager / Programmer
> > > > GAIA Consultants Inc.
> > > > Suite 306, 822-11th Avenue SW
> > > > Calgary, Alberta
> > > > Canada
> > > > T2R 0E5
> > > > Phone: (403) 571-7216
> > > > Fax: (403) 571-7211
> > > > www.gaiaenv.com
> > > > vanderwalm@g...
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: James A. Zack [mailto:xsp@q...]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:40 AM
> > > > >To: wcsml@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [WCS] ArcView 8.1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Major difference for me is in the scripting language:
> > > > >
> > > > >AV3.x uses Avenue, an Object-Oriented language built
> specifically
> > > > >to support AV3.x
> > > > >applications.
> > > > >
> > > > >AV8 will use Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) and VB for
> > > > >customization.  No
> > > > >migration path for all those Avenue scripts I have accumulated
> > > > >over the years.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm keeping my 3.2a version around for a while, even after I
> > > > >upgrade, to leverage the
> > > > >Avenue Script library I have.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers,
> > > > >Zack
> > > > >
> > > > >Chris 'Xenon' Hanson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> ctuck@c... wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > hello,
> > > > >> >       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility
> for
> > > use with
> > > > >> > WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does
> > > anybody
> > > > >> > have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to
> heavily
> > > into
> > > > >> > actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a
> > > major
> > > > >> > advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people
> > > would
> > > > >> > think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
> > > > >> >                            Charles
> > > > >>
> > > > >>    I didn't get the impression that 8.1 was a huge capability
> > > > >> change from 3.1. The 8.1 version reflects that it is now
> > > > >> part of the integrated product line including ArcInfo 8.1,
> > > > >> ArcEditor 8.1 and ArcView 8.1, all built on a common user
> > > > >> interface and code set, according to ESRI. ArcEditor is
> > > > >> apparently a new product to fit the niche between the
> > > > >> sophisticated ArcInfo and the less capable ArcView. Not
> > > > >> sure about substantial differences, or what ArcEditor really
> > > > >> can do.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Chris - Xenon
> > > > >> --
> > > > >>   Chris Hanson | Xenon@3... | I've got friends in low
> latitudes!
> > > > >>          New WCS 5 Demo Version!
> > > http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
> > > > >>   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive
> is
> > > > >to Exist." - Xen
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I have followed this discussion on ArcGIS 8.1 with interest.  I have been a
beta tester of the product and found some really nice things about it. The
projection utility is very nice but the ability to do on the fly
projections is one of the nicer features.  If you make maps,  ArcMap offers
some easier things than command line ArcPlot.  I have also found stuff that
doesn't work too well in the Beta version and pre-release I have.
Hopefully ESRI fixed those things.

I did figure out you have to have a fairly 'herky' machine to run it ....
ESRI says 128 megs of RAM but I figure that at least 256 megs is best (if
not more) and an AGP style graphics card (e.g. - Nvidia TNT2 AGP).

The program is slow with raster images, as it builds pyramids to display
the images (or other raster data).  Once these are built, it works
relatively fast.

They still have retained the command line Arc/Info if you buy the full
professional version.  The ArcView 8.1 is basically Arcview 3.2b
functionality with the same interface as ArcGIS 8.1.  It also adds Visual
Basic for a scripting language.   Last Year at the ESRI Conferance, one of
the programmers at ESRI told me they tried to create a conversion routine
for Avenue Scripts to VB, but there was no sucess and they basically gave
up.

They have also included an extension called ArcScene (basically TIN or 3D
Analyst).  I haven't had the time to try it but in talking to those that
have, it was rated okay (but you still can't build a landscape like WCS).

I don't think the Arcview 3.1 will go away in the near future.  There are
many organization (government and private) have many hundreds of thousands
of dollars invested in Avenue programs for specific applications.  Besides
think of all of the users that have downloaded scripts and extensions from
the web, or developed our own.  The thought of the many hundreds of hours
to convert them to VB doesn't make my managers or myself jump for joy.

Overall, I rate it a fairly good program development.  The pluses outweigh
the minuses.  I have also read that ESRI will be coming out with a new
version of Arcview (AV 4.0).  I suppose I will hear all about it at the
ESRI conferance in July.  I hope they improved the ArcView projection
utility that comes with it!!

Gary Passow
GIS Coordinator
Swiftwater Field Office
Bureau of Land Management
777 NW Garden Valley Blvd
Roseburg, OR

Web Page http:\\www.or.blm.gov\roseburg
Phone:  541-464-3294
FAX:      541-440-4948



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hello,

       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use with
WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
                            Charles



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Charles,

You may want to to try ArcExplorer, its a free GIS utility that you
can get from the ESRI site.  I think its mainly just a viewing tool,
so it may not have any tools for moving, editing, or copying geodata.
Worth a look tho... after all... free is good :)

Kelly Ruston
Spatial Mapping Ltd.
Prince George BC Canada V2L 2Z7
info@...
www.spatialmapping.com


--- In wcsml@y..., ctuck@c... wrote:
> James,
>
>           You don't know if you can purchase just ArcCatalog do you?
> I have tons of geodata, and the pile gets larger every day.  I
> managed to convince the pricipals in my company to give me my own
> RAID system on the SAN.  If you can't do you know of any other
> cataloger to make my organisation easier.  Thanks
>
>
>                                  Charles

John,

Sorry I didn't jump on this thread more quickly, but have been
accessing my mail infrequently.

AFAIK, Worley's Sasquatch does not work with the WCS z-buffer process.

Being a pixel filter applied post process, I understand the LW
buffers to have already been flushed when the hair-specific routines
are processed.

I have had problems z-buffer compositing with any of the pixel
filters - hypervoxels etc, for this reason.

Sasquatch was used for hair and grass effects in a recent project I
worked on, but the two sequences were rendered seperately with alphas
and composited in AE. The only thing that was exchanged was camera
motion, which was matched between the two programs.

This was WCS 5.x and LW 6.0b, BTW.

I haven't had a chance to test Sasquatch with 6.5, but I know
hypervoxels still doesn't composit correctly...

HTH,

Best Regards

Adam

--- In wcsml@y..., "John Mullany" <jmullany@a...> wrote:
> Actually, I'm not looking for tech support as much as someone who
has given
> a hair plugin a try with good results. Have you ever heard of
anybody trying
> it?  I'd buy WCS in a second if I get a positive response. I really
love the
> look of some of the WCS 5 scenes. The tutorial with the WCS 5 demo
is
> excellent and easy to understand. Thanks for all your help though
Chris. I
> really do appreciate it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris 'Xenon' Hanson" <xenon@3...>
> To: <wcsml@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [WCS] Hair plugins and WCS?
>
>
> > John Mullany wrote:
> >
> > > I did try the test you mentioned and the hair is in the zbuffer
with the
> > > hair pixel filter added and when I eliminate hair in the pixel
filter it
> is
> > > gone in the zbuffer. Any other ideas?
> >
> >    Dunno. If it's in the Z-Buffer, WCS's compositing should
> > respect it. Not sure how WB's compositing differs, so I can't
> > really do tech support for them. ;)
> >
> > Chris - Xenon
> > --
> >   Chris Hanson | Xenon@3... | I've got friends in low latitudes!
> >          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
> >   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to
> Exist." - Xen
> >
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I have several lakes in my projects, all have a different "Lake Editor" or "lake
Effect" entry in the "Water Task Mode" which defines different elevation for
each. However they all have the same water colour.
I would like to change the water colour for all lake surfaces in one step. Can
this be done?
If I rename the "Water Material" name for all Lake Effects to the same name, and
change just one, it does'nt seem to carry the changes to all others. Am I doing
something wrong?

Does anyone have a solution?

Thanks
Bernard


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Bernard Messeguer wrote:

> I have several lakes in my projects, all have a different "Lake Editor" or
"lake Effect" entry in the "Water Task Mode" which defines different elevation
for each. However they all have the same water colour.
> I would like to change the water colour for all lake surfaces in one step. Can
this be done?

    Not in one step, but it can be done easily.

> If I rename the "Water Material" name for all Lake Effects to the same name,
and change just one, it does'nt seem to carry the changes to all others. Am I
doing something wrong?

    No, this is normal. They really each have their own material.

  > Does anyone have a solution?

    If you change one of them, you can drag and drop that material
from one Lake to the next in the S@G to copy the material.

> Thanks
> Bernard

Chris - Xenon
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          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to Exist." - Xen

Thanks Adam, I heard from Joe Alter that as soon as Newtek releases 6.5b his
new Shave should be able to work correctly. I really do appreciate the
reply. Check out Joe's Shave if you haven't had a chance to yet. It really
is a great product. I heard the "b" patch will also solve the hypervoxel
problem too. We'll have to wait and see. I am not affiliated in any way with
the Joe's company aside from being a customer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hauldren" <adam@...>
To: <wcsml@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WCS] Hair plugins and WCS?


> John,
>
> Sorry I didn't jump on this thread more quickly, but have been
> accessing my mail infrequently.
>
> AFAIK, Worley's Sasquatch does not work with the WCS z-buffer process.
>
> Being a pixel filter applied post process, I understand the LW
> buffers to have already been flushed when the hair-specific routines
> are processed.
>
> I have had problems z-buffer compositing with any of the pixel
> filters - hypervoxels etc, for this reason.
>
> Sasquatch was used for hair and grass effects in a recent project I
> worked on, but the two sequences were rendered seperately with alphas
> and composited in AE. The only thing that was exchanged was camera
> motion, which was matched between the two programs.
>
> This was WCS 5.x and LW 6.0b, BTW.
>
> I haven't had a chance to test Sasquatch with 6.5, but I know
> hypervoxels still doesn't composit correctly...
>
> HTH,
>
> Best Regards
>
> Adam

I will be creating a snow capped mountain, but with no DEM file data. I
will be modeling the terrain in Maya using either NURBS or Polygons.
Which is the prefered methodology for WCS? Does WCS have modeling
capabilities of it's own?

--
Mark Lefitz
TSL/Disney Feature Animation
3100 Thornton Avenue
Burbank, CA 91505-8968

If you can freeze the Nurbs model into a polygonal mesh and then export it
as a DXF WCS should be able to import and grid the terrain fine.

At 01:53 PM 5/4/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I will be creating a snow capped mountain, but with no DEM file data. I
>will be modeling the terrain in Maya using either NURBS or Polygons.
>Which is the prefered methodology for WCS? Does WCS have modeling
>capabilities of it's own?
>
>--
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>TSL/Disney Feature Animation
>3100 Thornton Avenue
>Burbank, CA 91505-8968
>
>
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Mark Lefitz wrote:

> I will be creating a snow capped mountain, but with no DEM file data. I
> will be modeling the terrain in Maya using either NURBS or Polygons.
> Which is the prefered methodology for WCS? Does WCS have modeling
> capabilities of it's own?

    WCS does have the ability to create contour lines, skeleton
lines, etc directly in a View, and grid them into a terrain
model. The important parts of the software would be the digitize
window, to create Control Points, and the Terrain Gridder.

> Mark Lefitz
> TSL/Disney Feature Animation
> 3100 Thornton Avenue
> Burbank, CA 91505-8968

Chris - Xenon
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          New WCS 5 Demo Version!     http://www.3DNature.com/demo/
   "There is no Truth. There is only Perception. To Perceive is to Exist." - Xen

What should the scale of my Maya model be at? Do I model in Meters or
Feet/Inches? Does WCS even care about scale?

--
Mark Lefitz
TSL/Disney Feature Animation
3100 Thornton Avenue
Burbank, CA 91505-8968
818.526.3112

Mark,

Your best of using units of meters.  To ease your import woes, you should use
fake
UTM coordinates around X=500000 and Y= 110000 * (latitude_in_degrees).
Thus for 40-degrees north, I'd base the origin of my data at X=500000 and
Y=4400000.

That way, when you import the points/lines into WCS and you tell the wizard that
the
data are in UTM (zone is irrelevant unless you want the longitude to be
accurate, but
longitude doesn't affect sun angles like latitude) you will have the data at the
correct approx latitude.

If you have your data near X=0, Y=0, your lines/points will be near the Equator!

Cheers,
Zack

Mark Lefitz wrote:

> What should the scale of my Maya model be at? Do I model in Meters or
> Feet/Inches? Does WCS even care about scale?
>
> --
> Mark Lefitz
> TSL/Disney Feature Animation
> 3100 Thornton Avenue
> Burbank, CA 91505-8968
> 818.526.3112
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--- In wcsml@y..., info@s... wrote:
> Kelly,

         ArcExplorer is a viewer(like you said) basically it is like
AutoDesk's Whip plugin for your browser.  It is what you would
distribute with data in .shp format, so people who don't have ArcView
can look at the data.  What I need is a way to effectively catalog
the data.  Thank you for your help.
> Charles,
>
> You may want to to try ArcExplorer, its a free GIS utility that you
> can get from the ESRI site.  I think its mainly just a viewing
tool,
> so it may not have any tools for moving, editing, or copying
geodata.
> Worth a look tho... after all... free is good :)
>
> Kelly Ruston
> Spatial Mapping Ltd.
> Prince George BC Canada V2L 2Z7
> info@s...
> www.spatialmapping.com
>
>
> --- In wcsml@y..., ctuck@c... wrote:
> > James,
> >
> >           You don't know if you can purchase just ArcCatalog do
you?
> > I have tons of geodata, and the pile gets larger every day.  I
> > managed to convince the pricipals in my company to give me my own
> > RAID system on the SAN.  If you can't do you know of any other
> > cataloger to make my organisation easier.  Thanks
> >
> >
> >                                  Charles

Folks,

          Finally, after months of constant abuse - frantic switching during
deadline stress and switching just to listen to the sound when bored - my
manual keyboard/mouse/monitor switch died. I am looking to buy a new one
and would like to ask if anyone can recommend a good one. I need to connect
one keyboard/mouse/monitor to four computers. The main problem of the
manual switch was that unless the switch was turned to that particular
machine at boot-time, that machine would not recognize a mouse/keyboard
attached when switching to it after it already booted up. Also sometimes
the machines got confused and started beeping like wild when switching. So
I am looking for a solution with less problems if at all possible.

Thanks for your input.

-Peter

============================================
Peter Prokein   <prokein@...>
Institute for Northern Engineering
University of Alaska Fairbanks
316 Skarland Hall.
Fairbanks, Alaska 99775-5860

Work phone: (907) 474-2720
Fax: (907) 474-7979

Gary,

           I thank you greatly for your insight.  Purchasing new
software is generally proves to be very difficult.  I try to find the
answers to the questions that I want to know and usually all I can
find is marketing bs.  That is the very reason that I purchased WCS.
I asked questions, and got answers.  Anyway thank you for your
expertise.

                                      Charles

--- In wcsml@y..., Gary_Passow@o... wrote:
>
> I have followed this discussion on ArcGIS 8.1 with interest.  I
have been a
> beta tester of the product and found some really nice things about
it. The
> projection utility is very nice but the ability to do on the fly
> projections is one of the nicer features.  If you make maps,
ArcMap offers
> some easier things than command line ArcPlot.  I have also found
stuff that
> doesn't work too well in the Beta version and pre-release I have.
> Hopefully ESRI fixed those things.
>
> I did figure out you have to have a fairly 'herky' machine to run
it ....
> ESRI says 128 megs of RAM but I figure that at least 256 megs is
best (if
> not more) and an AGP style graphics card (e.g. - Nvidia TNT2 AGP).
>
> The program is slow with raster images, as it builds pyramids to
display
> the images (or other raster data).  Once these are built, it works
> relatively fast.
>
> They still have retained the command line Arc/Info if you buy the
full
> professional version.  The ArcView 8.1 is basically Arcview 3.2b
> functionality with the same interface as ArcGIS 8.1.  It also adds
Visual
> Basic for a scripting language.   Last Year at the ESRI Conferance,
one of
> the programmers at ESRI told me they tried to create a conversion
routine
> for Avenue Scripts to VB, but there was no sucess and they
basically gave
> up.
>
> They have also included an extension called ArcScene (basically TIN
or 3D
> Analyst).  I haven't had the time to try it but in talking to those
that
> have, it was rated okay (but you still can't build a landscape like
WCS).
>
> I don't think the Arcview 3.1 will go away in the near future.
There are
> many organization (government and private) have many hundreds of
thousands
> of dollars invested in Avenue programs for specific applications.
Besides
> think of all of the users that have downloaded scripts and
extensions from
> the web, or developed our own.  The thought of the many hundreds of
hours
> to convert them to VB doesn't make my managers or myself jump for
joy.
>
> Overall, I rate it a fairly good program development.  The pluses
outweigh
> the minuses.  I have also read that ESRI will be coming out with a
new
> version of Arcview (AV 4.0).  I suppose I will hear all about it at
the
> ESRI conferance in July.  I hope they improved the ArcView
projection
> utility that comes with it!!
>
> Gary Passow
> GIS Coordinator
> Swiftwater Field Office
> Bureau of Land Management
> 777 NW Garden Valley Blvd
> Roseburg, OR
>
> Web Page http:\\www.or.blm.gov\roseburg
> Phone:  541-464-3294
> FAX:      541-440-4948
>
>
>

>                     ctuck@creekside-
com

>                     puting.com                 To:
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>
cc:
>                     05/03/01 10:18 AM          Subject:     [WCS]
ArcView 8.1
>                     Please respond
to

>
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>

>

>
>
>
> hello,
>
>       Currently I use ArcView 3.1 as basically a utility for use
with
> WCS.  I noticed that ESRI came out with Version 8.1.  Does anybody
> have use it?  If so is it worth it if you don't get to heavily into
> actual GIS (databases, analysis, etc.).  Or does it offer a major
> advantage? Any opinions would be appreciated, as you people would
> think of uses that mabye I haven't.  Thank You.
>                            Charles
>
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Peter,

           For our render farm we use (2) 16 port omni-cube KVM
switches, (made by Belken)  They have run without flaw for about (2)
years now.  Enjoy.
                       charles

                        --- In wcsml@y..., Peter Prokein
<prokein@a...> wrote:
> Folks,
>
>          Finally, after months of constant abuse - frantic
switching during
> deadline stress and switching just to listen to the sound when
bored - my
> manual keyboard/mouse/monitor switch died. I am looking to buy a
new one
> and would like to ask if anyone can recommend a good one. I need to
connect
> one keyboard/mouse/monitor to four computers. The main problem of
the
> manual switch was that unless the switch was turned to that
particular
> machine at boot-time, that machine would not recognize a
mouse/keyboard
> attached when switching to it after it already booted up. Also
sometimes
> the machines got confused and started beeping like wild when
switching. So
> I am looking for a solution with less problems if at all possible.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> -Peter
>
> ============================================
> Peter Prokein   <prokein@a...>
> Institute for Northern Engineering
> University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 316 Skarland Hall.
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99775-5860
>
> Work phone: (907) 474-2720
> Fax: (907) 474-7979

What are "UTM" coordinates?  Does WCS care if my model is near the
equator and I am trying to create a frozen lake?

--
Mark Lefitz
TSL/Disney Feature Animation
3100 Thornton Avenue
Burbank, CA 91505-8968
818.526.3112

Mark Lefitz wrote:
> What are "UTM" coordinates?

Coordinates in Universal Transverse Mercator projection.

To read more about projections go here:
http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/mapproj/mapproj_f.html


> Does WCS care if my model is near the
> equator and I am trying to create a frozen lake?

No WCS doesn't mind, you can put a frozen lake anywhere you want.
You are the god of your planet.

Best Regards,
  -Jamie

Peter,

Using Belkin Omni View SE 4-Port here. No problems. Make sure
you use high quality shielded cables.

Cya,
TM


>manual keyboard/mouse/monitor switch died. I am looking to buy a new one
>and would like to ask if anyone can recommend a good one.
>Thanks for your input.
>
>-Peter

Tom Meyers
Lensman@...

I use the Belkin OmniView PRO 4port.
I do NOT recommend this. Here is why.
I bought exprensive cables to ensure a high-quality picture. I use 1600 by
1200 res on a 22" monitor.
1. The picture gets VERY noticible banding and distortion at frequencies
higher than 60Hz. And even at this low headache-causing refresh rate, the
image is not great.
2. The KVM will beep when you switch or bring up the OSD. This beep gets
VERY annoying. According to the manual, it can be turned off with a simple
key sequence. Doesnt work. Belkin Tech support says that it has never worked
and never will. So you are stuck with the obnoxious noise.
3. The KVM will randomly freeze my workstations solid for many different
reasons. The first was because I was using a logitech mouse which is
unsupported. Second, with a new mouse, the unit crashes if you happen to
touch a key or move the mouse when swithcing computers.. Well, since a big
feature is the OSD, which is controlled by the keyboard...hmmm... Needless
to say, using the OSD crashes machines on a regular monthly basis.
4. Since the Keyboard OSD shortcuts are prone to crashing, I use the buttons
on the actual unit. The button is very slow. It takes a full second to swith
computers and only swithces up. Therefore to get form unit 2 to unit 1 takes
3 switches.
  It seems that all the KVMs I saw were all focused towards servers that
require infrequent swithching, and low resolution desktops.
-David Edwards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Prokein" <prokein@...>
To: <wcsml@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: [WCS] KMM switch for four machines


> Folks,
>
>          Finally, after months of constant abuse - frantic switching
during
> deadline stress and switching just to listen to the sound when bored - my
> manual keyboard/mouse/monitor switch died. I am looking to buy a new one
> and would like to ask if anyone can recommend a good one. I need to
connect
> one keyboard/mouse/monitor to four computers. The main problem of the
> manual switch was that unless the switch was turned to that particular
> machine at boot-time, that machine would not recognize a mouse/keyboard
> attached when switching to it after it already booted up. Also sometimes
> the machines got confused and started beeping like wild when switching. So
> I am looking for a solution with less problems if at all possible.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> -Peter
>
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> Institute for Northern Engineering
> University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 316 Skarland Hall.
> Fairbanks, Alaska 99775-5860
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John,

No problem - glad the response was of some help.

Also REALLY glad that as of 6.5b, shave will work properly.
I agree that it is a phenomenal product and had a long talk with Joe
(alter) while at Siggraph last year, about the future of the plugin,
and about lipservice too...

Sasquatch is IMHO equally good (at the moment, probably better) but
has a far more bewildering interface.

Best regards

Adam

--- In wcsml@y..., "John Mullany" <jmullany@a...> wrote:
> Thanks Adam, I heard from Joe Alter that as soon as Newtek releases
6.5b his
> new Shave should be able to work correctly. I really do appreciate
the
> reply. Check out Joe's Shave if you haven't had a chance to yet. It
really
> is a great product. I heard the "b" patch will also solve the
hypervoxel
> problem too. We'll have to wait and see. I am not affiliated in any
way with
> the Joe's company aside from being a customer.

My only reason for suggesting that you place your data in UTM coords is so that,
upon
import to WCS, it will be placed in the appropriate latitude for your scene. 
That
way you can set the sun position by time and date to get realistic
lighting/shadows.
If your frozen lake is near the Equator, and you try to set the sun position
using
the Time/Date method to mid-day mid-December, the sun will be nearly directly
overhead.  Hard to imagine how the lake gets frozen given that scenario!  If you
used
Y coordinates that are (110000 * latitude), you will place the data at the
correct
latitude and mid-day sun in mid December will be at a much lower solar
elevation.

But as Jamie says, you are the god/goddess of your planet.  Perhaps your planet
is so
far from your star that it is cold enough to freeze the methane! ;^)

Cheers,
Zack

Jamie wrote:

> Mark Lefitz wrote:
> > What are "UTM" coordinates?
>
> Coordinates in Universal Transverse Mercator projection.
>
> To read more about projections go here:
> http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/mapproj/mapproj_f.html
>
> > Does WCS care if my model is near the
> > equator and I am trying to create a frozen lake?
>
> No WCS doesn't mind, you can put a frozen lake anywhere you want.
> You are the god of your planet.
>
> Best Regards,
>  -Jamie
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