I'm delighted to be up for the position of SIG manager.

I have worked as a freelancer on websites and indexes (not just
website indexes) since 2006.  I do a lot of website maintenance and
re-development, not so much indexing, although I hope to change that!
I passed the Society of Indexers (UK) accredited indexing course
earlier this year.

Prior to self-employment, I worked at the University of Dundee
(1997-2006) as the University Web Administrator, and in various
capacities at the Medical Library, Ninewells Hospital & Medical
School, Dundee (1993-1997).  I'm Chartered with the Chartered
Institute of Library & Information Professionals (2003), and I have a
degree in English and a postgraduate diploma in Library & Information
Science.

As Heather mentioned, I'm currently the webmaster for the Taxonomies &
Controlled Vocabularies SIG, and the recipient of the inaugural Web
Indexing Award.

I live and work from my home in Kirriemuir, Scotland, a wee town in
the foothills of the Angus glens and the birthplace of J.M. Barrie
(author of Peter Pan) and Bon Scott (AC/DC).  I share home with my
partner, Alec, and our wacky but adorable Gordon Setter.

Jessica's shoes will be tough to fill, but I hope, if I am elected, to
continue her good work.

Best wishes,
Rebecca (Linford)

Quoting Heather Hedden <heather@...>:

> I'm very pleased that we have two qualified candidates for the position
> of SIG manager, and would happy to see either of them in this position.
> I think it might be good for each of them to re-introduce themselves in
> a posting to the list.
>
> I'll just mention that:
> Jean Jesensky is president of the New England Chapter of ASI for 2008.
> Rebecca Linford was the winner of the 2008 Web Indexing award, and is
> currently the webmaster for the Taxonomies & Controlled Vocabularies SIG.
>
> Only SIG members (not everyone on this list) is eligible to vote.
>
> -- Heather
>
> Heather Hedden
> Hedden Information Management
> Heather@...
> http://www.Hedden-Information.com

Thanks, Heather. Brilliant idea.

Jessica


On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:03:28 -0500
   Heather Hedden <heather@...> wrote:
> I'm very pleased that we have two qualified candidates
>for the position
> of SIG manager, and would happy to see either of them in
>this position.
> I think it might be good for each of them to
>re-introduce themselves in
> a posting to the list.
>
> I'll just mention that:
> Jean Jesensky is president of the New England Chapter of
>ASI for 2008.
> Rebecca Linford was the winner of the 2008 Web Indexing
>award, and is
> currently the webmaster for the Taxonomies & Controlled
>Vocabularies SIG.
>
> Only SIG members (not everyone on this list) is eligible
>to vote.
>
> -- Heather
>
> Heather Hedden
> Hedden Information Management
> Heather@...
> http://www.Hedden-Information.com
>
>
>
> web-indexing@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for
>>the
>> web-indexing group:
>>
>> Question
>> VOTING ANNOUNCEMENT New poll for Web Indexing SIG. Enter
>>your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Web
>>Indexing SIG: I vote for Jean Jesensky or Rebecca Linford
>>to serve as SIG Manager!
>>
>> Jean Jesensky
>>
>> Rebecca Linford
>> Your vote is shown above. You can change your vote until
>>the poll is closed.
>>
>>   o Jean Jesensky
>>   o Rebecca Linford
>>
>>
>> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/web-indexing/surveys?id=2121673
>>
>> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes
>>are
>> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the
>>Yahoo! Groups
>> web site listed above.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
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>>
>>
>>

I'm very pleased that we have two qualified candidates for the position
of SIG manager, and would happy to see either of them in this position.
I think it might be good for each of them to re-introduce themselves in
a posting to the list.

I'll just mention that:
Jean Jesensky is president of the New England Chapter of ASI for 2008.
Rebecca Linford was the winner of the 2008 Web Indexing award, and is
currently the webmaster for the Taxonomies & Controlled Vocabularies SIG.

Only SIG members (not everyone on this list) is eligible to vote.

-- Heather

Heather Hedden
Hedden Information Management
Heather@...
http://www.Hedden-Information.com



web-indexing@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> web-indexing group:
>
> Question
> VOTING ANNOUNCEMENT New poll for Web Indexing SIG. Enter your vote today! A
new poll has been created for the Web Indexing SIG: I vote for Jean Jesensky or
Rebecca Linford to serve as SIG Manager!
>
> Jean Jesensky
>
> Rebecca Linford
> Your vote is shown above. You can change your vote until the poll is closed.
>
>   o Jean Jesensky
>   o Rebecca Linford
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/web-indexing/surveys?id=2121673
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
web-indexing group:

Question
VOTING ANNOUNCEMENT New poll for Web Indexing SIG. Enter your vote today! A new
poll has been created for the Web Indexing SIG: I vote for Jean Jesensky or
Rebecca Linford to serve as SIG Manager!

Jean Jesensky

Rebecca Linford
Your vote is shown above. You can change your vote until the poll is closed.

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   o Rebecca Linford


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Thanks!

Well, after two years at the head of the Web Indexing SIG
it is time to step aside and allow someone else the
opportunity to lead.

It has been a period of great growth for me as an Indexer
and I’ve learnt a lot.  I am especially proud of the fact
that we were finally able to have our inaugural Web
Indexing SIG Award this year.

Please contact me if you are interested in becoming
Manager for the SIG. If I receive more than one offer of
interest I will put up a Yahoo poll. However, if only one
person steps up, we will inform the group and continue to
move forward.

If you are interested in becoming manager of the Web
Indexing SIG, but need some information before committing,
feel free to ask me any questions.

Best,

Jessica McCurdy Crooks
Manager, Web Indexing SIG
Writer/Indexer/Proofreader
954-703-6765
http://www.nextindexservices.com
blog: http://blogs.babiesonline.com/author/jessdel27/

The current session of the online course "Creating Website Indexes"
filled up, so a new session has been opened for March 2009.
Registrations are now being accepted.

Through the Continuing Education program of Simmons College Graduate
School of Library and Information Science is now the only place to take
online classes on website indexing. I used to offer a course on my own
independently, but now that Simmons has its own online course platform
(Moodle, similar to Blackboard), I have migrated my course content to
that platform and do not want to maintain the course in two different
places. Cost is $250 ($200 for Simmons GSLIS alumni).

Workshop information:
http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/continuinged/workshops/online.shtml#online_a28

Moodle page preview (not actual site):
http://www.hedden-information.com/view2.php

Course information pdf:
http://gslisce.simmons.edu/downloads/08FA/Website_Indexes.pdf

Registration information:
http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/continuinged/register.shtml

Finally, if you are interested but have no background in HTML, if you go
through an online tutorial first (such as
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_intro.asp), that should be sufficient.

If you still have questions about the course content, contact me, the
instructor.
If you have questions about payment or registration, contact the program
manager, Kris Liberman. tel 617-521-2803, fax : 617-521-3192,
gslisce@... <mailto:gslisce@...>

-- Heather

--
Heather Hedden
Hedden Information Management
Carlisle, MA USA
Heather@...
http://www.Hedden-Information.com

Does anyone have experience using XRefHT with a Mac? I don't, but I want
to be able to answer others' questions.

I've heard from one of my online workshop students who use using XRefHT
with a Mac that when saving the word "null" automatically gets added to
all the file names, as in "nullabout.htm#", "nullcontact.htm#" and so
forth. However, she added the folder name in the URL prefix box, null
was not automatically added. That may be the difference: hitting Cancel
in the URL prefix box may be adding "null"

Has anyone experienced this or other issues?
How about using the feature to automatically add anchors at headings?

-- Heather

--
Heather Hedden
Hedden Information Management
Heather@...
http://www.Hedden-Information.com

Email is probably better as I move a lot.

Glad the inverted index idea may have been fruitful. There are many
tools of the trade in information science such as inverted index that
can be repurposed in the Web age.

E.g. Marty's idea of sucking words from many mainstream sites to
populate his 10,000s of entry points in his A-Z list site could also be
saved into a database or thesaurus ontology that could be easier to
manage than straight brute-force like he seems to be doing!

Dwight Walker

--- In web-indexing@yahoogroups.com, Margaret Pappas
<margaret.pappas@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Dwight,
> I am intrigued by your recommendation and will go to the link you
provide for more information re: 'inverted indexes'. 
> I truly appreciate you taking the time and helping me.
> Sincerely,
> Margaret
> P.S. If I needed to get further clarification/assistance, may I call
you?

This is good to know/keep in mind. Thank you.

Debbie

In a message dated 9/20/2008 3:18:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glendabrowne@... writes:

One
disadvantage of using Dublin Core, which I never fully comprehended, is
that Dublin Core subject and description are apparently less likely to
be used by web-wide search engines than plain description and subject
fields. For this reason we duplicated  these.

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We have used Dublin Core metadata elements at www.nps.org.au, along with
one AGLS element (Australian Government extension of DC) and some plain
elements. One aim was to enable more straightforward harvesting of the
data. One advantage of a schema in general is that you can define fields
that are compulsory, those that can be duplicated and so on. One
disadvantage of using Dublin Core, which I never fully comprehended, is
that Dublin Core subject and description are apparently less likely to
be used by web-wide search engines than plain description and subject
fields. For this reason we duplicated these.

Glenda.

Dbolso@... wrote:
> Has anyone had occasion to use a metadata schema (e.g. Dublin Core  elements)
> in the head section of a web site?
>
> I understand this provides for better interoperability and harvesting and  is
> a step up from the traditional placement of keywords in the head section. For
>  an example you can view the source codes at _www.ibm.com_
> (http://www.ibm.com) .
>
> Debbie Olson
> Freelance Indexer & Librarian
> _www.olson-info.com_ (http://www.olson-info.com)
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Has anyone had occasion to use a metadata schema (e.g. Dublin Core  elements)
in the head section of a web site?

I understand this provides for better interoperability and harvesting and  is
a step up from the traditional placement of keywords in the head section. For
  an example you can view the source codes at _www.ibm.com_
(http://www.ibm.com) .

Debbie Olson
Freelance Indexer & Librarian
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Debbie-

I stepped down from being the manager of the Behavioral and Social Sciences
SIG.  Please asked around to find out who took my place.

Thank you,

Jeannine

-----Original Message-----
From: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:web-indexing@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dbolso@...
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:35 AM
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [web-indexing] SIG web site update

Hi,

I'll be updating our SIG site at the end of the month so please send any
links/citations to any interesting articles you've read related to web
indexing
or info about any relevant upcoming workshops, classes, or conferences. Any

other comments or suggestions are also welcome!

Thank you,

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Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi,

I'll be updating our SIG site at the end of the month so please send any
links/citations to any interesting articles you've read related to web indexing
or info about any relevant upcoming workshops, classes, or conferences. Any
other comments or suggestions are also welcome!

Thank you,

Debbie Olson
ASI Web SIG webmaster



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Registration is now open for the fall 2008 session of the online
workshop "Creating Web Site Indexes"
It runs four weekly sessions during the month of October,  this is the
only time that it is offered this year, and it will probably not be
offered again until fall 2009.
It is offered by the Continuing Education Program of Simmons College
Graduate School of Library and Information Science.

Workshop summary:
http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/continuinged/workshops/online.shtml#online_a28
Registration information:
http://www.simmons.edu/gslis/continuinged/register.shtml
Outline and readings (pdf):
http://gslisce.simmons.edu/downloads/08FA/Website_Indexes.pdf
Instructor information:
http://gslisce.simmons.edu/instructors/ce-hedden.html
Online course home page sample preview:
http://www.hedden-information.com/view2.php

International participation is welcome. There is no scheduled
participation time; students log in at their convenience.

For registration and payment questions, contact the continuing education
program administrator, Kris Liberman, 617-521-2803, gslisce@...
For workshop content/syllabus questions contact me, Heather Hedden, the
instructor, heather@...

Welcome Veronica.  Web-indexing is a great SIG with wide open opportunities for
involvement.  Chime in anytime with
ideas, questions or just about anything else web and index related!

Suzi


-----Original Message-----
From: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:web-indexing@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Veronica
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:33 PM
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [web-indexing] New Member Introduction

My name is Veronica Hughes and I am a new member of the Web Indexing
Group, coming here through the American Society for Indexing
(http://www.asindexing.org/site/asiabout.shtml). My background is in
librarianship and I am currently in the process of branching out on my
own as an indexer/information services provider.

A little about my background: I recently graduated with a Master's of
Science in Library Information Science and Certificate of Advanced
Studies in Digital Libraries concentrating in Information
Organization. As a part of my coursework and independent study I
created access to eighteen retrospective issues of a Nevada newspaper,
The Boulder City Daily News. This involved constructing a controlled
vocabulary, creating subject and name indexes (both in print and
database formats), and digitizing the paper for linking to in the
database. I have also done volunteer work for the Nevada State Museum
& Historical Society's library
(http://dmla.clan.lib.nv.us/docs/MUSEUMS/lv/vegas.htm), organizing and
classifying ephemera, and designing and creating databases for
uncataloged books.

And, by the way, although my references are to Nevada, I moved to
Washington State this past May. I
look forward to contributing to the group and thanks in advance for
sharing your knowledge.

Veronica Hughes



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Yahoo! Groups Links

My name is Veronica Hughes and I am a new member of the Web Indexing
Group, coming here through the American Society for Indexing
(http://www.asindexing.org/site/asiabout.shtml). My background is in
librarianship and I am currently in the process of branching out on my
own as an indexer/information services provider.

A little about my background: I recently graduated with a Master's of
Science in Library Information Science and Certificate of Advanced
Studies in Digital Libraries concentrating in Information
Organization. As a part of my coursework and independent study I
created access to eighteen retrospective issues of a Nevada newspaper,
The Boulder City Daily News. This involved constructing a controlled
vocabulary, creating subject and name indexes (both in print and
database formats), and digitizing the paper for linking to in the
database. I have also done volunteer work for the Nevada State Museum
& Historical Society's library
(http://dmla.clan.lib.nv.us/docs/MUSEUMS/lv/vegas.htm), organizing and
classifying ephemera, and designing and creating databases for
uncataloged books.

And, by the way, although my references are to Nevada, I moved to
Washington State this past May. I
look forward to contributing to the group and thanks in advance for
sharing your knowledge.

Veronica Hughes

I agree that users are (and have been for a while) more search-centric and don't
understand the benefit of multiple information retrieval methods. Time swings
the pendulum, though, and for that reason, directories/indexes may experience a
renaissance of sorts down the line, perhaps in a different form.

I use directories for discovery and search for specific information. Often,
people don't know what they don't know and thus are missing critical mass of
data as a result. When I browse a directory, it sparks ideas for other areas of
interest that I didn't think of (and likely never would have occurred to me).

-Susan

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--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Diana Tashjian <diana@...> wrote:
From: Diana Tashjian <diana@...>
Subject: RE: [web-indexing] New Web Indexing Article
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 8:59 AM











             Caveat: I'm a newbie, to indexing and to web indexing, but I read
the

article with interest. I wanted to put my ideas out there and see what other

people thought.



My conclusion: I think we're stuck with users preferring the search over the

web index method and I don't believe education will change that. I was

trying to figure out why this may be so, and I think it's because the users

like having direct access to the data as opposed to using an index which

necessarily puts someone else's filter on the data. Maybe there's also an

ancillary benefit to doing a search and then maybe re-doing it: the user

learns more about the data on the site...



Anyway, just some ideas...



Diana Tashjian



-----Original Message-----



The June issue (vol. 26, no. 2, pp. 71-78) of The Indexer (Society of

Indexers, UK) contains and article by Ilana Kingsley about Web site indexes:

"The Usability of Academic Library Website Indexes: An Investigation. "



The citation has also been posted on the Resources/Articles page of  our SIG

site at <_http://web-indexing .org/articles. htm_

(http://web-indexing .org/articles. htm) >.



Debbie Olson

SIG Webmaster





























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Caveat: I'm a newbie, to indexing and to web indexing, but I read the
article with interest. I wanted to put my ideas out there and see what other
people thought.

My conclusion: I think we're stuck with users preferring the search over the
web index method and I don't believe education will change that. I was
trying to figure out why this may be so, and I think it's because the users
like having direct access to the data as opposed to using an index which
necessarily puts someone else's filter on the data. Maybe there's also an
ancillary benefit to doing a search and then maybe re-doing it: the user
learns more about the data on the site...

Anyway, just some ideas...

Diana Tashjian

-----Original Message-----

The June issue (vol. 26, no. 2, pp. 71-78) of The Indexer (Society of
Indexers, UK) contains and article by Ilana Kingsley about Web site indexes:
"The Usability of Academic Library Website Indexes: An Investigation."

The citation has also been posted on the Resources/Articles page of  our SIG
site at <_http://web-indexing.org/articles.htm_
(http://web-indexing.org/articles.htm) >.

Debbie Olson
SIG Webmaster

Hi,

The June issue (vol. 26, no. 2, pp. 71-78) of The Indexer (Society of
Indexers, UK) contains and article by Ilana Kingsley about Web site indexes: 
"The
Usability of Academic Library Website Indexes: An Investigation."

The citation has also been posted on the Resources/Articles page of  our SIG
site at <_http://web-indexing.org/articles.htm_
(http://web-indexing.org/articles.htm) >.

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SIG Webmaster



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Dear Dwight,
I am intrigued by your recommendation and will go to the link you provide for
more information re: 'inverted indexes'. 
I truly appreciate you taking the time and helping me.
Sincerely,
Margaret
P.S. If I needed to get further clarification/assistance, may I call you?



----- Original Message ----
From: Dwight Walker <dwight@...>
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:34:30 AM
Subject: [web-indexing] word index ideas


On a computer screen, a search say in Google, would highlight the
word in the page in the results pages in bold or with some colour
background such as yellow.

Doing such a word index on paper (which it sounds like what you want
if you want to name every single word in the page indexed by its
location using some sort of code) means you have to maintain a huge
index of single words.

First create a list of stop words (words that are ignored) such
as 'a', 'the', 'an'. Then index the rest by paragraph at most.

I'd do an inverted index so the customer can just look up a word and
see it in context with the locator as page number or perhaps
paragraph number if they are numbered. Use the eye of the reader to
find the word they want.

See this on what an inverted index is:

http://www..answers. com/topic/ inverted- file?cat= technology

I can only think a scientific or historical work would require such
exactness using manual processes.

Dwight Walker
WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd
www.wwwalker. com.au

--- In web-indexing@ yahoogroups. com, Margaret Pappas
<margaret.pappas@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Jan~
> I want readers to quickly be able to find the indexed word on the
page.There is no doubt about it that what I described is time
consuming.   However, does it make sense?
> I have looked at the link you provided briefly to get an overview
of  software, but I am not sure it will address my specific need (see
above) since I am creating a traditional book
index/corcordance. ..HOWEVER, after going through the link thoroughly,
I may need to reassess the whole project if WordEmbed can assist me. 
>
> I appreciate you taking the time to help me.  If I can clarify the
project for you, I can give you a call. I live in California.
> Sincerely,
> Margaret






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I, Marty Carbone, originally wrote, in part: "Evidently, it is no longer (2008)
fashionable or
even acceptable to consider the question of "Internet indexing". Most of the
articles we
  found were written around 1996 - before Google took over the field of internet
searching
and became the de-facto way to find information. In spite of that, we think some
of you
might find some helpful information in the nine articles listed at the following
URL.
<< http://www.howto-ville.com/indexingtheinternet.html >> "

------------- Dwight Walker responded, in part ------

"Just because internet indexing is old doesn't mean it is useless to
engineer better indexes using the mind not just resolve to let a
massive computer algorithm chew through the data. You can drive the
technology to get a better result.

You seem to have a very dim view of manual indexes. ... "

-------------- My response to Dwight --------------

I do not have a dim view of manual indexes. My view is exactly the opposite. I
respect
manual indexes (also called directories). My entire website is basically a
manually
compiled index. I think manually compiled indexes and directories can be a much
more
efficient way to find things on the internet than using Google-type search boxes
exclusively.

If the compilers of the directories do a good job, the information they put in
their
directories will be much more on-point than the average single-entry-response
from Google.

Google-type searches have their place of course. It would be impossible to
compile a manual
index without first using Google type search-boxes.

The nine articles I list on my site have lots of good information. Most of it
seems to be
written before Google took over.

I think Google is amazing as a first try at finding things -- but all that
returned information must
be carefully sifted before it is truly useful.

In general, I love librarians


Marty



  Martin Carbone

martycarbone@...
http://www.alphabeticalist.com (send us tips for good websites for this site)
http://www.howto-ville.com/about.html
Tel: 760-603-1910
Fax: 760-603-1930
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Can't you see that Google uses basic indexing skills like citation
indexes and those facts don't change just are scaled using massive
computer databases and search technologies like MapReduce to match a
word to a page.

http://labs.google.com/papers/mapreduce.html

Just because internet indexing is old doesn't mean it is useless to
engineer better indexes using the mind not just resolve to let a
massive computer algorithm chew through the data. You can drive the
technology to get a better result.

You seem to have a very dim view of manual indexes. Sure they are
outrun by Google but Google is only good because it uses good
indexing principles not because it has a much faster and scaleable
technology to build on.

Garbage in - garbage out.

If Google has a lousy algorithm based on brute force searching, it
would mean waiting for hours or days to get a result. They use good
mathetmatics and information retrieval to optimise retrieval.

There is an ignorance of information management in this question.
Most people seem to underrate librarians as just glorified clerks.

see

http://www.answers.com/information+science?cat=technology

Unfortunately librarians are often not good at showing the value of
information management and it takes a lot of convincing people who
reckon it is dead obvious how a search works and how best to optimise
the results so quicker more relevant results are found (the ranking).

Now I just use information management in project management as
software produces tons of information which is very well managed
using information principles. Why fight the outsiders? Just use the
power of knowledge and you will benefit despite the Philistines'
attacks.

Engineers always think information is bits and bytes. Librarians
always reckon information is classification. There is still a huge
gulf in understanding between the 2 disciplines. Luckily I did both
fields so am in the middle and can see both angles - a hybrid. It is
a very valuable cusp to be on and gave me tons of leads and creative
ideas when I crossed over into information science from straight
software engineering.

Dwight Walker
WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd
www.wwwalker.com.au

> On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:10:41 -0000
>   "Martin Carbone" <martycarbone@...> wrote:
> > Indexing the Internet -- a guide to some good articles
> >on the subject.
> >
> > Evidently, it is no longer (2008) fashionable or even
> >acceptable to
> > consider the question of "Internet indexing". Most of
> >the articles we
> > found were written around 1996 - before Google took over
> >the field of
> > internet searching and became the de-facto way to find
> >information.
> >
> > In spite of that, we think some of you might find some
> >helpful
> > information in the nine articles listed at the following
> >URL.
> >
> > http://www.howto-ville.com/indexingtheinternet.html
> >
> >
> > Marty Carbone
> >
>

On a computer screen, a search say in Google, would highlight the
word in the page in the results pages in bold or with some colour
background such as yellow.

Doing such a word index on paper (which it sounds like what you want
if you want to name every single word in the page indexed by its
location using some sort of code) means you have to maintain a huge
index of single words.

First create a list of stop words (words that are ignored) such
as 'a', 'the', 'an'. Then index the rest by paragraph at most.

I'd do an inverted index so the customer can just look up a word and
see it in context with the locator as page number or perhaps
paragraph number if they are numbered. Use the eye of the reader to
find the word they want.

See this on what an inverted index is:

http://www.answers.com/topic/inverted-file?cat=technology

I can only think a scientific or historical work would require such
exactness using manual processes.

Dwight Walker
WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd
www.wwwalker.com.au

--- In web-indexing@yahoogroups.com, Margaret Pappas
<margaret.pappas@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Jan~
> I want readers to quickly be able to find the indexed word on the
page.There is no doubt about it that what I described is time
consuming.   However, does it make sense?
> I have looked at the link you provided briefly to get an overview
of  software, but I am not sure it will address my specific need (see
above) since I am creating a traditional book
index/corcordance...HOWEVER, after going through the link thoroughly,
I may need to reassess the whole project if WordEmbed can assist me. 
>
> I appreciate you taking the time to help me.  If I can clarify the
project for you, I can give you a call. I live in California.
> Sincerely,
> Margaret

Dear Jan~
I want readers to quickly be able to find the indexed word on the page.There is
no doubt about it that what I described is time consuming.   However, does it
make sense?
I have looked at the link you provided briefly to get an overview of  software,
but I am not sure it will address my specific need (see above) since I am
creating a traditional book index/corcordance...HOWEVER, after going through the
link thoroughly, I may need to reassess the whole project if WordEmbed can
assist me. 

I appreciate you taking the time to help me.  If I can clarify the project for
you, I can give you a call. I live in California.
Sincerely,
Margaret
P.S. Oops,I apologize for typing your first name incorrectly...


----- Original Message ----
From: Jan Ross <jan@...>
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:22:32 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: [web-indexing] Introducing myself & a request[Scanned]


Hi Margaret (and others)

I may be missing the point of your email, having now deleted your
original one, but your 'interesting' way (below) looks to be somewhat
time-consuming. Have you looked at James Lamb's excellent little piece
of software called Word Embed. This may be able to help you, but not
remembering your original requirements, I'm not sure.

Have a look at http://www.jalamb. com/wordembed. html

Best wishes

Jan

~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~

Jan Ross. B.Sc, B.Sc Hons, M.Sc, FSI

Tel: 01492 581050

email: jan@merrall- ross..co.uk

<http://www.merrallr oss-wales. co.uk/>

____________ _________ _________ __

From: web-indexing@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:web-indexing@ yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of Margaret Pappas
Sent: 30 May 2008 01:46
To: web-indexing@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: Fwd: [web-indexing] Introducing myself & a request[Scanned]

Dear Jessica~
Thanks so much for your quick response. The book is traditional book
index. Your comments make sense to me. As I 'see' it, the book index
really will be a 'concordance' ...however, I am wanting to avoid the
detailed 'paragraph, line' indexing if I can. Just recently, I came
across an interesting way to do it...For example, if 'word' is listed
on the page 5, I would count lines from top to bottom to find it.
Currently the book has 37 lines on the page. So 'word' is p. 5:L17T.
(So I split the page into lines 1-19T or lines 1-18B. Do I make sense?
What do you think?
Thanks again for helping me.
Sincerely,
Margaret

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Margaret (and others)

I may be missing the point of your email, having now deleted your
original one, but your 'interesting' way (below) looks to be somewhat
time-consuming.  Have you looked at James Lamb's excellent little piece
of software called Word Embed.  This may be able to help you, but not
remembering your original requirements, I'm not sure.



Have a look at http://www.jalamb.com/wordembed.html





Best wishes

Jan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jan Ross. B.Sc, B.Sc Hons, M.Sc, FSI

Tel: 01492 581050

email: jan@...

<http://www.merrallross-wales.co.uk/>



________________________________

From: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:web-indexing@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Margaret Pappas
Sent: 30 May 2008 01:46
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: [web-indexing] Introducing myself & a request[Scanned]



Dear Jessica~
Thanks so much for your quick response.  The book is traditional book
index.  Your comments make sense to me.  As I 'see' it, the book index
really will be a 'concordance'...however, I am wanting to avoid the
detailed 'paragraph, line' indexing if I can.  Just recently, I came
across an interesting way to do it...For example, if  'word' is listed
on the page 5, I would count lines from top to bottom to find it.
Currently the book has 37 lines on the page.  So  'word' is p. 5:L17T.
(So I split the page into lines 1-19T or  lines 1-18B.  Do I make sense?
What do you think?
Thanks again for helping me.
Sincerely,
Margaret






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Jessica~
Thanks so much for your quick response.  The book is traditional book index. 
Your comments make sense to me.  As I 'see' it, the book index really will be
a 'concordance'...however, I am wanting to avoid the detailed 'paragraph, line'
indexing if I can.  Just recently, I came across an interesting way to do
it...For example, if  'word' is listed on the page 5, I would count lines from
top to bottom to find it.  Currently the book has 37 lines on the page.  So 
'word' is p. 5:L17T.  (So I split the page into lines 1-19T or  lines 1-18B.  Do
I make sense?  What do you think?
Thanks again for helping me.
Sincerely,
Margaret


----- Original Message ----
From: "jmccrooks@..." <jmccrooks@...>
To: web-indexing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:49:13 AM
Subject: Fwd: [web-indexing] Introducing myself & a request


Hi Margaret,

Welcome to the web indexing SIG.

Are you stating that you want to index the book and also
include the exact paragraph, line and place where the term
is? Are you referring to a traditional book of the book
index or a web site index?

The problem with such an approach if you are indexing a
traditional book is, what about the deiscussion of a
concept that span several pages. If you were just building
a concordance, it may be possible, but with an index where
it is much more than keyword selection I can't see this
approach being very useful.

Anyway, someone else may have another take on it.

Jessica

--- the forwarded message follows ---

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Margaret,

Welcome to the web indexing SIG.

Are you stating that you want to index the book and also
include the exact paragraph, line and place where the term
is? Are you referring to a traditional book of the book
index or a web site index?

The problem with such an approach if you are indexing a
traditional book is, what about the deiscussion of a
concept that span several pages. If you were just building
a concordance, it may be possible, but with an index where
it is much more than keyword selection I can't see this
approach being very useful.

Anyway, someone  else may have another take on it.

Jessica


    --- the forwarded message follows ---


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear All,

My name is Margaret Pappas. I am a professional librarian however, I am
VERY NEW to indexing. I have a book indexing project that will entail
VERY SPECIFIC DETAILED indexing i.e. in addition to indexing the pages,
I want to be specific as to 'where on the specific page the record
appears' so the reader can find it quickly.

Does anyone have any ideas/recommendations/suggestions?

Thanks for all your help!

Sincerely,
Margaret

Thanks, Martin. I'll take a look later this week.

Jessica


On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:10:41 -0000
   "Martin Carbone" <martycarbone@...> wrote:
> Indexing the Internet -- a guide to some good articles
>on the subject.
>
> Evidently, it is no longer (2008) fashionable or even
>acceptable to
> consider the question of "Internet indexing". Most of
>the articles we
> found were written around 1996 - before Google took over
>the field of
> internet searching and became the de-facto way to find
>information.
>
> In spite of that, we think some of you might find some
>helpful
> information in the nine articles listed at the following
>URL.
>
> http://www.howto-ville.com/indexingtheinternet.html
>
>
> Marty Carbone
>

Indexing the Internet -- a guide to some good articles on the subject.

Evidently, it is no longer (2008) fashionable or even acceptable to
consider the question of "Internet indexing". Most of the articles we
found were written around 1996 - before Google took over the field of
internet searching and became the de-facto way to find information.

In spite of that, we think some of you might find some helpful
information in the nine articles listed at the following URL.

http://www.howto-ville.com/indexingtheinternet.html


Marty Carbone