Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
webanalytics · The Web Analytics Forum
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want to share photos of your group with the world? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Nielsen NetRatings Switch-Off to Time on Site   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #11741 of 24471 |
Hey everyone,

I just read a PDF located at the following address:

http://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_070710.pdf

From what I gather, it seems that due to the increasing pervasiveness
of applications based in AJAX and other media driven applications
contained within a single page, Nielsen has taken to using the primary
metric of Time on Site.

Does anyone have any opinions on this or can anyone tell me how this
affects them? For us, not having any relationship with NetRatings,
and very limited involvement with what people would consider Web 2.0,
I have no perspective on the magnitude of this announcement. Judah
always preaches 'Context' and I agree with him on that. So, having
said that, is this transition slightly premature in that it only
applies as a major measurement of top sites in addition to their
traffic for engagement, or is it something so big that I just can't
conceive of it yet?

I realize there is virtue and value to measuring the attention span of
the user. I see it as a margin to shoot for in terms of presenting
useful options on the site. In the event that we would add numerous
videos or instructional content, I would expect its useful in knowing
how long people like their videos to keep feeding them things which
conform to their expectations. Beyond that, and as for using as a key
metric on which to base performances, I still see it as subordinate.

Maybe Jim, Eric or Avinash have some insight on this or can lend some
wisdom here?

Sincerely,

Daniel W. Shields

http://danalytics.blogspot.com






Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:58 pm

romanojon
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #11741 of 24471 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Hey everyone, I just read a PDF located at the following address: http://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_070710.pdf From what I gather, it seems that due to...
romanojon
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2007
10:31 pm

Hi there, It feels like it's almost back to the future on this one... Back in 2002 NetRatings acquired a European based audience measurement company called...
Neil Mason
bty522937
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
7:07 am

I'll echo Neil's statement, that metrics are only valuable if they meet business goals or industry needs. The shift from page views to time spent per site does...
John Lovett
superluckyfish3
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
1:34 pm

I would argue that advertising-- all of it-- exists in either time or space. Print has a spatial construct, broadcast a temporal one. Advertising media pretty...
jchasin@...
joshchasin
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
5:25 pm

Hi Daniel, I can't really answer your questions, but I would like to ask you a question: I like the idea of using time on site for videos, etc. to find out ...
nevertrustab
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
7:07 am

I think page views is an OK measure of engagement. I think bounce rate is better, and time on site, should the methods by which Nielsen, or anyone arrive at...
romanojon
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
1:32 pm

... From: romanojon <daniel@...> ... This reminds me. With all the attendant fuss about "engagement"-- apparently directly tracable to a speech...
jchasin@...
joshchasin
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
5:24 pm

... While I wouldn't go all the way to "poppycock" I do spout off about Engagement in this podcast: http://tinyurl.com/yv7zwy ... ANA, AAAA, ARF Engagement is...
Jim Sterne
jsterne
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
5:21 am

Thanks Jim I've been able to simplify it down to how it matters to web folks: Engagement is "Apparent Interest" While it's been argued that one can be engaged...
jeremiah_owyang
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
1:46 pm

I noticed in Omniture's Knowledge Base a list of plugins (ID 1411), among which is one called getTimeToComplete. I like the idea of building my own engagement...
Scribner, Craig (Web ...
craigscribner
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:57 am

My definition of engagement-- quoted in media guru Erwin Ephron's newsletter-- is: "That ineffable quality possessed by all advertising judged after the fact...
Josh Chasin
joshchasin
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:35 pm

Hi. I can understand why Nielsen has moved to a "time spent on site" metric, but for our sites it would still need an extra dimension such as event monitoring...
kam.rafique
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
1:46 pm

I just read the chapter on rich internet applications in Avinash's book again..and it seems to me that he's very bullish on the future of RIAs. He also writes...
nevertrustab
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
7:08 am

No, I do not like the time spent on site metric for 2 reasons. 1, it's hard to get accurate. 2, it's all about value of engagement. 1) Typically time spent on...
chika_bowow
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
1:32 pm

The time spent metric isn't really new. Nielsen NetRatings (and ComScore) have been reporting various time spent metrics for years - time spent has always been...
dhs1986@...
jakesmitty007
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
5:24 pm

Time-based metrics have utility in context of user needs, site objectives, and goals. As a stand-alone metric for comparing overall performance or engagement...
Judah Phillips
judahphillips
Offline Send Email
Jul 11, 2007
5:27 pm

I agree with John and Neil that time metrics, like any metric, are mainly important when given meaning and they have little meaning until you correlate them to...
izerth
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
5:20 am

Hello Judah, I just currently read the article you did with Marketing Sherpa discussing the challenges of Web 2.0 application and what features get the best...
Leslie Chacon
leslie_chaco...
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
5:21 am

... Let's not forget that Nielsen / comScore have business models that are pretty rare, and if their customers put enough pressure on them to provide a metric...
Jim Novo
jimnovo2
Offline Send Email
Jul 12, 2007
5:19 am

Josh, Why does "measuring audiences to ad supported media" on the *web* need to be "one or the other?" Would a Name Media agree? Linden/Second Life?...
Judah Phillips
judahphillips
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:55 am

Jim, Incredible post--I think am going to become a very frequent reader of your blog as soon as I press the send button. However, it might be useful to point...
dhs1986@...
jakesmitty007
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:57 am

... don't care, as we won't be able to measure! It's "Apparent" because they've done something on the site, or paid attention, or interacted with the site, or...
Jim Novo
jimnovo2
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
1:00 am

I think the answer is yes. Media occupy space, or transpire over time (or, to be fair, both.) I'm not sure I can imagine an advertising medium which does...
Josh Chasin
joshchasin
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:36 pm

In this case, I think you'll like the direction comScore is going... can't say more yet. --josh-- ... From: kam.rafique My view is that rather than use page...
Josh Chasin
joshchasin
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
12:36 pm

... Judah, man, you know I love ya and think you're a very smart guy, and I agree with what you are saying - at the site level. But I don't think that's the...
Jim Novo
jimnovo2
Offline Send Email
Jul 13, 2007
8:21 pm

If Jim does not work for Nielsen, he probably should... :) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Michael Rohde
duckpubs
Offline Send Email
Jul 14, 2007
9:22 pm

Hi Josh, Exactly, both. I'd argue that the companies I mentioned may be better measured on space, not time. But realistically both ontologies of measurement...
Judah Phillips
judahphillips
Offline Send Email
Jul 16, 2007
4:01 pm

Hello Jim, Y'know I share the love and respect. I also hear ya loud and clear about the differences in understanding the impact of a duration metric on...
Judah Phillips
judahphillips
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2007
1:18 am

Thanks Leslie. :) I'm glad to hear you found it helpful and/or thought provoking. Cheers, Judah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Judah Phillips
judahphillips
Offline Send Email
Jul 17, 2007
1:20 am
First  | < Prev  |  Last 
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help