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Re: Nielsen NetRatings Switch-Off to Time on Site

Hello Jim,

Y'know I share the love and respect. I also hear ya loud and clear about
the differences in understanding the impact of a duration metric on "macro"
and "micro" level site analysis. In fact, your past, genial posts about
this issue are quite thought provoking.

Simply put Nielsen is providing a new metric for "measurement" not for
"evaluation." Such categorization makes the announcement easier to accept.
I get agitated in the evaluation of a site based on a time-metric *without
context*.

If I may briefly paraphrase the "macro"... what you are saying is
that measures of "frequency" on the web are so noisy, that using "duration"
as a proxy for "frequency" makes sense in that it is comparable across media
types because it is inexact in similar ways. Therefore, because of historic
precedent, a time-basis for media buying becomes a de facto "standard" for
approximating audience "weight" on the web. Thus, with a Total Time Online
metric, a buyer of electronic media can apply existing models to purchase a
known quantity of time (i.e weight) and predict a known result (i.e I buy X
weight, I get Y sales).

That makes sense to me if the theory holds true, but, darn, it is
suboptimal, especially as a measure of Web 2.0 sites. It's not just single
page visits that aren't counted, but the time spent on the last page in the
session isn't counted either. If the majority of your "engagement" takes
place on the last page in the session, then the "total time" metric fails to
account for that too. The time data is trimmed at the beginning and the
end. Take for example Zillow. In my personal experience, I engage the last
page I request, panning, zooming, checking my neighbors home values, then I
leave. In the current model, my time on the last page is not captured.

One could assume that rich internet applications and sites that serve
RIA transfer more megabytes then "web 1.0" sites. Does that mean I should
measure and rank on "megabytes transferred" as indicator of Web
2.0engagement? Is it a useful measure of "weight"? No, it's not, and
I'm not
sure "total time" is the solution either. That said, from the macro level
and business model perspective, I get why Nielsen is moving in that
direction. I also understand why they are backing off a bit on the
importance of the metric for "evaluation" and talking about how they are
still tracking page views and other metrics too.

I'll still give Nielsen props for making people think
about "the numbers" and using their influence to bring light to the
challenges of new media measurement. At the end of the day though, it's
still tough data to believe since I have no insight as to whether the panel
suffers from coverage error and selection bias, regardless of the technical
challenges to measuring time on the web.

Judah


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Hello Judah, I just currently read the article you did with Marketing Sherpa discussing the challenges of Web 2.0 application and what features get the best...
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... Let's not forget that Nielsen / comScore have business models that are pretty rare, and if their customers put enough pressure on them to provide a metric...
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Josh, Why does "measuring audiences to ad supported media" on the *web* need to be "one or the other?" Would a Name Media agree? Linden/Second Life?...
Judah Phillips
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Jim, Incredible post--I think am going to become a very frequent reader of your blog as soon as I press the send button. However, it might be useful to point...
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Jul 13, 2007
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... don't care, as we won't be able to measure! It's "Apparent" because they've done something on the site, or paid attention, or interacted with the site, or...
Jim Novo
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I think the answer is yes. Media occupy space, or transpire over time (or, to be fair, both.) I'm not sure I can imagine an advertising medium which does...
Josh Chasin
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In this case, I think you'll like the direction comScore is going... can't say more yet. --josh-- ... From: kam.rafique My view is that rather than use page...
Josh Chasin
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... Judah, man, you know I love ya and think you're a very smart guy, and I agree with what you are saying - at the site level. But I don't think that's the...
Jim Novo
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If Jim does not work for Nielsen, he probably should... :) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Hi Josh, Exactly, both. I'd argue that the companies I mentioned may be better measured on space, not time. But realistically both ontologies of measurement...
Judah Phillips
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Hello Jim, Y'know I share the love and respect. I also hear ya loud and clear about the differences in understanding the impact of a duration metric on...
Judah Phillips
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Thanks Leslie. :) I'm glad to hear you found it helpful and/or thought provoking. Cheers, Judah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Judah Phillips
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... Sure, let's stipulate these panels have all kinds of measurement problems as it is, which is part of the reason for going through the audits. It could be...
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Judah, For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that (in contrast to javascript-based web analytics systems), the audience measurement services are able to capture...
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Sometimes this can be known, and other times it must be assigned via an edit rule. It depends on the activity that truncates the duration. If it was a user...
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