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Re: [webanalytics] Re: Nielsen NetRatings Switch-Off to Time on Site

> I'll still give Nielsen props for making people think
> about "the numbers" and using their influence to bring light to the
> challenges of new media measurement. At the end of the day though, it's
> still tough data to believe since I have no insight as to whether the
> panel
> suffers from coverage error and selection bias, regardless of the
> technical
> challenges to measuring time on the web.

Sure, let's stipulate these panels have all kinds of measurement problems as
it is, which is part of the reason for going through the audits. It could
be there is simply a higher correlation between the effectiveness of display
advertising and Visit Duration / Engagement than the effectiveness of
display advertising and Page Views / Consumption.

This could simply be because the panel measurement error, while high for
Duration, is even higher for Page Views - and probably getting worse.

Jim Novo
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Hello Judah, I just currently read the article you did with Marketing Sherpa discussing the challenges of Web 2.0 application and what features get the best...
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Jul 12, 2007
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... Let's not forget that Nielsen / comScore have business models that are pretty rare, and if their customers put enough pressure on them to provide a metric...
Jim Novo
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Josh, Why does "measuring audiences to ad supported media" on the *web* need to be "one or the other?" Would a Name Media agree? Linden/Second Life?...
Judah Phillips
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Jul 13, 2007
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Jim, Incredible post--I think am going to become a very frequent reader of your blog as soon as I press the send button. However, it might be useful to point...
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Jul 13, 2007
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... don't care, as we won't be able to measure! It's "Apparent" because they've done something on the site, or paid attention, or interacted with the site, or...
Jim Novo
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Jul 13, 2007
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I think the answer is yes. Media occupy space, or transpire over time (or, to be fair, both.) I'm not sure I can imagine an advertising medium which does...
Josh Chasin
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Jul 13, 2007
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In this case, I think you'll like the direction comScore is going... can't say more yet. --josh-- ... From: kam.rafique My view is that rather than use page...
Josh Chasin
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... Judah, man, you know I love ya and think you're a very smart guy, and I agree with what you are saying - at the site level. But I don't think that's the...
Jim Novo
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Jul 13, 2007
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If Jim does not work for Nielsen, he probably should... :) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Michael Rohde
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Jul 14, 2007
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Hi Josh, Exactly, both. I'd argue that the companies I mentioned may be better measured on space, not time. But realistically both ontologies of measurement...
Judah Phillips
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Hello Jim, Y'know I share the love and respect. I also hear ya loud and clear about the differences in understanding the impact of a duration metric on...
Judah Phillips
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Jul 17, 2007
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Thanks Leslie. :) I'm glad to hear you found it helpful and/or thought provoking. Cheers, Judah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Judah Phillips
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... Sure, let's stipulate these panels have all kinds of measurement problems as it is, which is part of the reason for going through the audits. It could be...
Jim Novo
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Judah, For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that (in contrast to javascript-based web analytics systems), the audience measurement services are able to capture...
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Jul 17, 2007
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Sometimes this can be known, and other times it must be assigned via an edit rule. It depends on the activity that truncates the duration. If it was a user...
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