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Hello Webjay Dev Team,

You may have heard through the grape vine that our pal Perri, the one
who designed the Webjay logo, has just had a heart attack. On top of
that, she is now facing having no place to live.

For more information on Perri's situation and to find out how to help,
please visit the site put up yesterday:

http://perri.oddiooverplay.com

Please join us in lending helping hands to such a great gal.

Thank You,
Katya Oddio

I had about the same experience as Jim.  Around the time that playlisting
and WJ started up my musical experience was really stale.  This internet
sharing thing gave me a whole new start.

Thanks for being excellent, Katya and everybody.  It was a great time.
I'm sorry it had to end, but that's life, and there's some wicked cool
new stuff on the way.

On Wed, 23 May 2007, Brett Singer wrote:

> Well put by all. It's a bummer but such is life. Glad for what we all
> got out of it.
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> jim n wrote:
>> Indeed it has been fun.  Pretty well half of the tunes I listen to are
>> influenced by Webjay.  It got me past my post-collegiate music slump and
>> into new stuff.
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>> oddiooverplay wrote:
>>> Hey Folks,
>>>
>>> Thanks for creating such cool tech and for building a great community
>>> around it. It was a blast! Looking forward to your next projects!
>>>
>>> A fan,
>>> OddioKatya
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Well put by all. It's a bummer but such is life. Glad for what we all
got out of it.

jim n wrote:
> Indeed it has been fun.  Pretty well half of the tunes I listen to are
> influenced by Webjay.  It got me past my post-collegiate music slump and
> into new stuff.
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> oddiooverplay wrote:
>> Hey Folks,
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>> Thanks for creating such cool tech and for building a great community
>> around it. It was a blast! Looking forward to your next projects!
>>
>> A fan,
>> OddioKatya
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Indeed it has been fun.  Pretty well half of the tunes I listen to are
influenced by Webjay.  It got me past my post-collegiate music slump and
into new stuff.

oddiooverplay wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> Thanks for creating such cool tech and for building a great community
> around it. It was a blast! Looking forward to your next projects!
>
> A fan,
> OddioKatya
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Hey Folks,

Thanks for creating such cool tech and for building a great community
around it. It was a blast! Looking forward to your next projects!

A fan,
OddioKatya

Hi Guys:

It is all coming together. My webjay playlists now play in both my
desktop winamp and WMP. I have downloaded enough codecs and somehow
winamp works with playlist too.

Also, finally composed and collected a month worth of collected
underground electronic and techno. My former job as a club dj helped
to really sort this 5 hour mix into a cool, streaming and groovy
algorythym.

Check it out in my 360 BLOG:

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-.RcpP2Ezd7MvlSwqUSRTWwf9YKiq?p=278

or find it at webjay:

http://webjay.org/by/choppercat/mbbychoppercatdj2007neuestoonz

Can't wait until the next time at Yahoo Answers someone asks me about
placing music in their blog. Boy are they in for a lecture..Noooo :)

thanks for whatever ways you are all making this easier.

BY THE WAY, you guys hear of US Online Personal Radio site,

http://www.pandora.com? Wamts to be a last.fm but I like it's
functions and interface and catalogue finds every artist could think up.

Happy Spring....and write more.

Wesley
aka
choppercatdj/bluedecker97

'musicals and illustrations'

Am exploring ways to share music and see this is a really hot web
thing in discussion. I am creating outlets and seeing who shows up
while trying to calm myself enough to program a playlist into an xspf
player.

If anyone wants to contribute to the following:

http://community.livejournal.com/fmmusicmorechat/

Just started at livejournal and moderated by me.

Also, a chat group for xspf discussion:
http://www.lingr.com/room/xspf


Found this website called http://hypem.com which has fully integrated
xspf players into their pages.

Anyhow, a non-geek here will wait to see what kind of replies you send.
Happy Valentines

PS. to get simply down to the music which is what I, a former dj, like
to do: for some groovy new sounds visit my Yahoo 360 blog.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-.RcpP2Ezd7MvlSwqUSRTWwf9YKiq?p=228

for the moment until i get this playlist going at webjay.org

Wesley Miller wrote:
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> hi;
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> I think webjay is a great idea. Though it seems more people would be
> using it and making connections. is this group besides development for
> sharing or BLASTING my new playlist to the public?

Hello Wesley,

This group is for partying nerd-style.  However blasting of new playlist
to the public is un-nerd.

-Lucas

hi;

I think webjay is a great idea. Though it seems more people would be
using it and making connections. is this group besides development for
sharing or BLASTING my new playlist to the public?

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agreed. similar to commenting. the flag system at least lets people
notify sitemom of not only unauthorized files, but things they would
rather not have in a playlist (which is, i think, weenie behavior, but
it does happen).

jim wrote:
> If you only let signed-in users flag, you probably reduce a lot of
> abuse, and you have a stick (terminating account) with which to punish
> abusers.
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> Lucas Gonze wrote:
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>>>I think the thing to try is to have a few 'uber-webjays' - people who
>>>have been members for awhile. Being a flagger could even be by
>>>invitation only. Anything that makes it more confusing for a user,
>>>whether its a playlister or a listener, is bad.
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Done.

If you only let signed-in users flag, you probably reduce a lot of
abuse, and you have a stick (terminating account) with which to punish
abusers.

Lucas Gonze wrote:
> Brett Singer wrote:
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>>I think the thing to try is to have a few 'uber-webjays' - people who
>>have been members for awhile. Being a flagger could even be by
>>invitation only. Anything that makes it more confusing for a user,
>>whether its a playlister or a listener, is bad.
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Brett Singer wrote:

>The promoter in me says that it should have Wejbay in the title. What
>about "Webjay this page"?
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That was Jim's suggestion too.  Two people coming to the same conclusion
independently usually means something...

>"Play this page with Webjay" perhaps?
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Too wordy, there isn't much room on a bookmark bar.

Brett Singer wrote:

>I think the thing to try is to have a few 'uber-webjays' - people who
>have been members for awhile. Being a flagger could even be by
>invitation only. Anything that makes it more confusing for a user,
>whether its a playlister or a listener, is bad.
>

This is all sensible.

Another data point for comparison -- blogger has a 'flag' button in the
upper right.  EG:
http://boywhoheardmusic.blogspot.com/

jim wrote:

>http://webjay.org/geeklog-1.3.8-1sr2/public_html/forum/
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Yup, /forums.  That's still operational, but it causes a bug in the
forums package so I'm playing it down.

I'd really like to install a new forums package, this one is pretty
creaky.  Vanilla looks sweet.

"Webjay this page" then, if not "Play this page".

Brett Singer wrote:
> Lucas Gonze wrote:
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>>What's the best text for the playthispage bookmarklet?
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>>"Webjay It"
>>"Webjay"
>>"Play this page"
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>>Other suggestions welcome.
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Didn;t it used to be a shorter url?

Lucas Gonze wrote:
> What's the best text for the playthispage bookmarklet?
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> "Play this page"
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>

The promoter in me says that it should have Wejbay in the title. What
about "Webjay this page"?

"Play this page with Webjay" perhaps?

Big props to Jim and Lucas.

kevin3prichard wrote:
> --- In webjay-dev@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote:
>
>>Jim and I spent the day hooking up the new servers.  Murphy willing,
>>performance will be usable again for the next couple months.
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> my dudes, congrats on restoring WJ to snappy performance!  most
> awesome - it rocks once again.  is it safe to spider?
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I think the thing to try is to have a few 'uber-webjays' - people who
have been members for awhile. Being a flagger could even be by
invitation only. Anything that makes it more confusing for a user,
whether its a playlister or a listener, is bad. Most of the unauthorized
tracks that I've seen tend to be from the myspace crowd (no offense,
it's just a convenient way to refer to them), and there are 'kids' out
there who don't understand (or don't want to understand) what's
authorized and what isn't.

Any kind of voting off of a song is a bad idea. There has to be a system
where the songs are reviewed by someone or a group of someones,
otherwise you'll have webjay flame wars.

There have been a few times when I saw tracks that were not supposed to
be there and I just emailed the 'sitemom'. Although it's not a long-term
solution, I think it would be an interesting experiment - having
'site-siblings' who would contact mom if they saw unauthorized tracks.

jim wrote:
> Metamoderation?  Abusers get kicked off webjay?
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> Also, you could, if a song gets voted against n times, inform the
> playlister via email.
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> Lucas Gonze wrote:
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>>Kevin Prichard wrote:
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>>>yeah, seems to be vote-based, with a threshold for automatic removal /
>>>hiding-
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>>>http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/flags.html
>>>
>>>shirky's had a few words to say on similar systems,
>>>http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html
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>>>in a system like craig's, there might be potential for abuse - people
>>>voting something off just coz they don't like it.  how do you see
>>>dealing with that?
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>>I honestly don't know, and I can see it being used for flogging rather
>>than flagging.  :)
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>>Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
>>knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
>>copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such a
>>baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand, it
>>may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.
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>>around for a while?
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Metamoderation?  Abusers get kicked off webjay?

Also, you could, if a song gets voted against n times, inform the
playlister via email.

Lucas Gonze wrote:
> Kevin Prichard wrote:
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>>yeah, seems to be vote-based, with a threshold for automatic removal /
>>hiding-
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>>http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/flags.html
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>>shirky's had a few words to say on similar systems,
>>http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html
>>
>>in a system like craig's, there might be potential for abuse - people
>>voting something off just coz they don't like it.  how do you see
>>dealing with that?
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> I honestly don't know, and I can see it being used for flogging rather
> than flagging.  :)
>
> Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
> knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
> copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such a
> baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand, it
> may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.
>
> What about not revealing the 'flag' button unless the person has been
> around for a while?
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--- In webjay-dev@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote:
>
> Jim and I spent the day hooking up the new servers.  Murphy willing,
> performance will be usable again for the next couple months.

my dudes, congrats on restoring WJ to snappy performance!  most
awesome - it rocks once again.  is it safe to spider?

On 10/9/05, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> wrote:
> Lucas Gonze wrote:
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> > Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
> > knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
> > copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such
> > a baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand,
> > it may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.
>
> It strikes me that the webjay premise is that every user either has or
> is able to learn the distinction between authorized and unauthorized, so
> low general understanding is a moot point.

yes, though distinctions may be subjective for some.  when a user
flags a track, what if you asked them for a comment?  that little bit
of text could help the playlist owner learn why their track was
flagged.  maybe you could encourage flaggers to include a URL, to an
online store page showing it's commercial, for one.

one the other hand, if you're gonna let users vote a track off, would
it be fair to let users vote it back on?  if symmetry's desired in a
system like this (i'd vote for that), you could allow others to come
along and vote the track back on, leaving comments w/URLs pointing to
the band's home page where the track is distributed for free, for
example.

On 10/9/05, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> wrote:
> Kevin Prichard wrote:
> >in a system like craig's, there might be potential for abuse - people
> >voting something off just coz they don't like it.  how do you see
> >dealing with that?
> >
> I honestly don't know, and I can see it being used for flogging rather
> than flagging.  :)

there's something in that - maybe it can be used for both.  what if
the voting off of a track only caused its links to disappear, and for
it not to be queued when users hit the play button?  the track would
still be visible in its playlists, but the download link would
disappear, and maybe the play button would transmogrify into something
else, to indicate that it got flagged as a violation?

though if it wasn't a violation, how would the owner ressurect it?

> Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
> knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
> copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such a
> baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand, it
> may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.
>
> What about not revealing the 'flag' button unless the person has been
> around for a while?

otherwise you'll have people creating phony accounts just to flog
somebody or music they don't like.

Kevin Prichard wrote:

> yeah, seems to be vote-based, with a threshold for automatic removal /
> hiding-
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>http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/flags.html
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>shirky's had a few words to say on similar systems,
>http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html
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>in a system like craig's, there might be potential for abuse - people
>voting something off just coz they don't like it.  how do you see
>dealing with that?
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I honestly don't know, and I can see it being used for flogging rather
than flagging.  :)

Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such a
baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand, it
may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.

What about not revealing the 'flag' button unless the person has been
around for a while?

Lucas Gonze wrote:

> Another big problem is that most people don't have the background
> knowledge to be able to evaluate links.  General understanding of the
> copyright system is really low, which is reasonable because it's such
> a baroque thing but bad because it is important.  On the other hand,
> it may be that most long-time webjayists will have that knowledge.


It strikes me that the webjay premise is that every user either has or
is able to learn the distinction between authorized and unauthorized, so
low general understanding is a moot point.

On 10/8/05, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> wrote:
> Anybody know details about how the craigslist flagging system works?  Is
> it a vote-based design?
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> I'm thinking about using this as a model for community moderation of
> unauthorized stuff on webjay.

yeah, seems to be vote-based, with a threshold for automatic removal / hiding-
http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/flags.html

shirky's had a few words to say on similar systems,
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html

in a system like craig's, there might be potential for abuse - people
voting something off just coz they don't like it.  how do you see
dealing with that?