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Re: [webloggerusergroup] Re: Bay Area Weblogger Group: What's Next?

> The only distinction i'm really getting between 'weblog' and
> 'journal' or 'diary' is that weblogs have links, and tend to be
> pithier. Is that others' understanding?

Also paragraphs v. sentences? Where does a weblog
start and a journal begin? Where, for example,
would scripting.com fall? Memepool? Slashdot?
Evhead? I've never liked the stock definition of
'weblogs' since the most interesting 'weblogs' I've
seen do not fall into the definition easily.

I'm not sure it even *needs* a definition unless
someone has to make an exclusive judgement on it,
so we seem to be asking whether we should making
an exclusive judgement on the topic and then
realizing that hey, it hasn't really been defined.

I'd be in favor of calling it the weblog user
group and then giving as broad a range of topics
as possible, possibly in so far as to redefine
weblog as something like:

"web publishing based on organizing content in
reverse chronological order and continually
adding new content to the top of the set"

This would include traditional weblogs as well
as journals and various other non-weblog weblogs.

-faisal




Tue Oct 30, 2001 9:18 am

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... Also paragraphs v. sentences? Where does a weblog start and a journal begin? Where, for example, would scripting.com fall? Memepool? Slashdot? Evhead?...
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... That is the other well-known definition of weblogs that is causing the problem. If weblogs were seen as a more inclusive term, I wouldn't care much about...
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Robert- Saying that inviting LiveJournal users to a weblogging group is somehow comparable to inviting Windows users to a Mac user group is a false analogy. It...
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... It was also made clear that it was a group for webloggers. Weblogging goes across at least half a dozen tools including Live Journal, Blogger, Radio...
Robert Scoble
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Mark and Robert can we be more constructive... please peace!!! Participating is the only way to see if it would be possible to do something. Now it's counter...
Karl Dubost
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Oct 30, 2001
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... I agree. I'll try to be positive, at least as positive as a weblogger can be. ;-) (We're a cynical bunch) I'm gonna sit out for a few days and let the...
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<rambling> My thoughts on standards in tools as a user etc..., As a user of tools it has been a frustrating experience in the past to use a 3rd party service...
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... As one of the homegrown folks, and since my CMS does have a few other users, I'll toss in my garrulous opinions on both sides. ... I implement for what I...
Dan Lyke
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Kristin (Booboolina) has kindly set up SWAB (Social Webloggers Around the Bay). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swabbers SWAB's purpose: A group of webloggers,...
Mena Trott
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Hi Karl, interesting question you ask about standards. Example 1: Let's take one of your entry as an example: http://www.la-grange.net/2001/10/26.html On my...
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... Still interesting. Yes I know it's my fault. On the top of the pages I didn't fixed yet my stylesheet. It's not a standard problem but only my...
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... Before I take a few days off, I do need to apologize. Reading back over my messages I've become a boorish jerk. Or worse. Sorry about that Mark. I'm not a...
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... Mark, Your whining is starting to piss me off. Your group has 300,000 users. They never have called me up and asked if I wanted to be part of the ...
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Boys, boys! Stop it at once! Seems I've said this before to my own children (replacing "boys" with "girls"). Phillip (Bournal-Jogger)...
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:19:05 -0000 ... So most of the LJ population is a little confused on their terminology. Happily you appear to be in an excellent...
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markkraft@... wrote: > Currently, 92% of the respondents said yes, they would attend a user > group. However, that drops to 27% if it is called a weblog...
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Oct 29, 2001
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Mark, My main point is that you are making to much of a fuss over the name. Secondarily, the gorup's focus is weblogging, so it should be reflected in the...
Bill Lazar
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Oct 29, 2001
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Right on. 1. It's a group formed by people who call what they do "weblogs," whatever that means. 2. It's a user's group -- a concept that has a lot of prior...
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... *argh* not another debate about the specific definition of "weblog". the term has been around for almost 3 years now and still everyone feels the need to...
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What about my suggestion for OPEN (Online Publishing Enthusiasts Network)? I would prefer that we keep that as an option and drop my earlier suggestion for...
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... I'll set up a vote tomorrow. Speaking for myself, I still like a name that has weblogger in it. What I'm doing at http://scobleizer.manilasites.com has...
Robert Scoble
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Oct 28, 2001
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... So according to this logic, people using Word as their blog tool and your grandma aren't invited to join this group. Terrific. People suggested umpteen...
Matthew Haughey
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... your ... You're missing the point. We could even make this group more inclusive by saying "it's a Human Interest Group." Why stop at folks who are online?...
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... I'm surprized about your attitude on this, especially considering the inclusionary tone you first expressed. The problem here is that when you create a...
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Oct 28, 2001
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... Well, since no one else seems to be speaking up agreeing with Robert's position, I shall do so. I think terms like "personal publishing" are too vague....
Diane
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... I don't know (but I hope not). The company I work for, UserLand Software, doesn't use the word weblogging in any of its products (well, OK, Dave Winer does...
Robert Scoble
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