Robin Mueller wrote:
> Wondering if anyone out there has a current favorite tool for
> giving a
> client in-browser editing capability. They're not looking for a full
> blown CMS, just the ability to edit some text and add a
> graphic or two
> using their browsers.

Hi Robin,

We're using HTMLArea for our clients right now.

	 http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/

The HTML that it produces is certainly not pretty (embedded font tags
and other nastiness), so we're in the process of investigating
htmlEditBox, which includes stylesheet integration and a better editing
interface.

	 http://www.labs4.com/htmleditbox/2.0/index.php

cheers,
P.

I recently downloaded the demo for Contribute ($150) for the first time.
Installed, setup and edited a page in under 15 minutes. It is a no-brainer
than any client can quickly learn for simple text edits. It offers more
complex functions like added images, tables and hyperlinks. In my experience
one of the biggest struggles clients have is the idea of "ftp." It is built
into this app and works quietly in the background.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/contribute/

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Akira Hirai [mailto:akira@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:46 PM
> To: websandiego@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [websandiego] In-browser editing
>
> I've heard some good things about Macromedia Contribute 2.0,
> but I don't have any direct experience with it.  It's not
> in-browser, though.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Mueller [mailto:robin@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:29 PM
> To: websandiego@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [websandiego] In-browser editing
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Wondering if anyone out there has a current favorite tool for
> giving a client in-browser editing capability. They're not
> looking for a full blown CMS, just the ability to edit some
> text and add a graphic or two using their browsers.
>
> If anyone has any favorites, or any caveats about this
> approach I'd appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Robin
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I use a Java-based applet that works on a Textarea in a form.  It has a
lot of optional whistles and bells with look and feel of MS Word.
Compatible with Win and Mac clients.  Product is called EditLive for
Java.

Here is the company web site: http://ephox.com/

--David Crellen

>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Wondering if anyone out there has a current favorite tool for
>> giving a client in-browser editing capability. They're not
>> looking for a full blown CMS, just the ability to edit some
>> text and add a graphic or two using their browsers.
>>
>> If anyone has any favorites, or any caveats about this
>> approach I'd appreciate the help.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> =-=-=-=-=
>> http://WebSanDiego.org: a list for San Diego web folk of all kinds
>>   Next Meetup this week!
>>     Thursday 8 April http://webdesign.meetup.com/members/402
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>   Next Meetup this week!
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Best regards,
David Crellen

The Crellen Company
Internet Marketing Communications, Internet Development and Management

4356 Vivaracho Court
San Diego, CA 92124-2225

Voice: (858) 694-0194
Fax: (707) 248-2135
email: david@...
Web Site: http://crellen.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

PS: I use SpamArrest email filtering.  If you are not already in my
authorized list and I don't catch your reply in time, you will be asked
to verify your mailing.  Sorry for this inconvenience but it works.

Here is more info and a 30-day free trial of SpamArrest:
http://spamarrest.com/affl?381010

> Hello Everyone,
> Wondering if anyone out there has a current
> favorite tool forgiving a client in-browser
> editing capability.

Preferred one (cross-browser):
http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm

Other ones:
http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/demo/edit.cfm
http://kupu.oscom.org/

More:
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/

My 4 cents...good luck!
Krassy

=====
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<web.developer>

web: http://www.krassy.com/
blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/




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> > I recently registered with Verio for the first time. I had
> > not even elected to host the domain with them so it seems
> > very presumptuous of them to put up a placeholder.
> > Fortuneately I caught this "pimping" of a domain I had
> > registered on behalf of a client before my client saw it.
<snip>
> > Does anybody know if godaddy is the same way?

"Andy Mansker" <andy@m...> wrote:
> I don't recall Godaddy placing ads in the placeholder and have had
> great luck with the company over the past 2 years.

Good to know.

> Regardless, I replace the placeholder.htm before the domain
> propagates so the public would never see it.

Naturally. The thing is, I didn't elect to host with VERIO. No
placeholder for me to edit. Only choice was to point the DNS at some
air.

Thanks for the godaddy feedback.

- David

Robin Mueller wrote:

> Wondering if anyone out there has a current favorite tool for
> giving a client in-browser editing capability. They're not looking
> for a full blown CMS, just the ability to edit some text and add a
> graphic or two using their browsers. If anyone has any favorites,
> or any caveats about this approach

I first started with ActivEdit http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/ and
liked it at first and then grew to dislike it. Pain to set up,
broken installer, terrible manual install instructions. Spell
checker is too precious about licensing. That said, I know there's a
version 4 out. But I've already moved over to SOEditor
http://www.siteobjects.com. It's a good one and provides better
image uploading and previewing tools than AE3 ever did.

There are a lot of free options out there too. And most of the
commercial in-browser editors have been written on the backs of the
free projects. So they're worth checking out.

One common theme is lousy or complete lack of support for XHTML
compliant code.

The most comprehensive list of in-browser WYSIWYG editors I have
found is:

TTW (Through the Web) WYSIWYG Editors
http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html

It has a useful table of vital stats on each offering. Thorough.

David

>> Does anybody know if godaddy is the same way?

Have a look at http://www.cayenneventures.com/, a domain I've had for a
while but haven't done anything with.  By default, you can see that GoDaddy
puts up a "parked" message with ads for their other services, but this is
easily changed.

> >> Does anybody know if godaddy is the same way?

> Have a look at http://www.cayenneventures.com/, a domain I've had
> for a while but haven't done anything with.  By default, you can
> see that GoDaddy puts up a "parked" message with ads for their
> other services, but this is easily changed.

Easy to change even if you're not paying them to host it? Is there
a "don't show ads while my domain is parked" switch in the DNS
control panel?

Thanks for the feedback and the live example.

I think you can just set the name servers to nothing, though I've never
tried it.

By the way, I've registered domains at a few different companies, and
GoDaddy has been the best, hands down.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Foltz [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:36 PM
To: websandiego@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [websandiego] Re: Yet another domain renewal scam


> >> Does anybody know if godaddy is the same way?

> Have a look at http://www.cayenneventures.com/, a domain I've had
> for a while but haven't done anything with.  By default, you can
> see that GoDaddy puts up a "parked" message with ads for their
> other services, but this is easily changed.

Easy to change even if you're not paying them to host it? Is there
a "don't show ads while my domain is parked" switch in the DNS
control panel?

Thanks for the feedback and the live example.





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David Foltz wrote:

> TTW (Through the Web) WYSIWYG Editors
> http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html

David,

That's a great link. Thanks!

cheers,
P.

Gary,

The one that I use is called Hostgo.com.  They are here in So Cal.
and they have a 700Meg site for 170 a year.   Why specifically windows?
They are mainly a linux shop, but they do ASP, FrontPage, etc.
I have used them for about 3 years now.  They have
a very QUICK reponse to a question, sometimes as quick as 4 hrs.
You can not talk to them via a phone, but they will answer any Email.
They are really good about giving assistance on most topics.

I had a client that I had been using them for hosting, and the client
flow the coop on me.  So I sent them a message, and they refunded the
current renewal without question.  So they are really customer service
based.

Steven Pierce
Page-Developer
714-841-9246

> ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Gary" <gary@...>
> To: websandiego@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, Apr-30-2004 3:31 PM
> Subject: [websandiego] Windows Hosting Reseller Recommendations?
>
> Can anyone recommend a "good" Windows hosting reseller based in
> California? Or at least in the Pacific or Mountain time zone? I'm
> tired of explaining why the time stamp on files is two hours behind.
> For comparison, I'm paying $40 for 4gb space, 60gb transfer,
> unlimited domains, yada, yada.
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> 100% of the shots you don't take don't go in. - Wayne Gretzky
> ______________________________________________________
>
> Gary Block
> gary@...
> www.webstudiowest.com
> Scottsdale: 480-664-4001
> San Diego: 619-342-7266
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

Dmitry,

I fixed the errors that were occuring in the style
sheet. Hopefully that fixed the problem. I am on a PC
at work...but I will test it out on my mac when I get
home :)

Thanks,
Cat


--- Dmitry Beransky <db01@...> wrote:
> Cat,  you stylesheets have syntax errors
> (http://www.style-sheets.com/validator.asp).  Try
> fixing them first.
>
>
> Dmitry
>
> At 03:43 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >Hope that you are all having a great Friday.
> >
> >I am currently working on a website,
> >http://www.dessertier.com/, for some reason
> everytime
> >I click on "Wedding Cakes" my browser crashes (this
> is
> >only in IE for Mac other browsers are fine). I was
> >hoping that someone would be able to help me figure
> >out why this occurs. Any help would be greatly
> >appreciated.
>
>
>
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that's a little sad that a 4 hour response time is considered very good, and
no telephone support is considered acceptable.

--david
Pixeled Business Systems Inc.
http://pixeled.net
http://illuminatedhosting.com
http://proteussoftware.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "pagedeveloper" <spierce@...>
To: <websandiego@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [websandiego] Windows Hosting Reseller Recommendations?


>
> Gary,
>
> The one that I use is called Hostgo.com.  They are here in So Cal.
> and they have a 700Meg site for 170 a year.   Why specifically windows?
> They are mainly a linux shop, but they do ASP, FrontPage, etc.
> I have used them for about 3 years now.  They have
> a very QUICK reponse to a question, sometimes as quick as 4 hrs.
> You can not talk to them via a phone, but they will answer any Email.
> They are really good about giving assistance on most topics.

It just depends on what you are willing to pay. I prefer the budget hosting,
but if you want phone contact I'm sure it can be had - for a price.

BTW-I'm on my 3rd reseller package and found a great hosting company. No
phone, but my Sunday posts in the forum/help tickets are  always answered
within an hour. (maybe 8 times now).

www.Totalchoicehosting.com

Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris [mailto:dmorris@...]
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:31 AM
> To: websandiego@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Windows Hosting Reseller Recommendations?
>
> that's a little sad that a 4 hour response time is considered
> very good, and no telephone support is considered acceptable.
>
> --david
> Pixeled Business Systems Inc.
> http://pixeled.net
> http://illuminatedhosting.com
> http://proteussoftware.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pagedeveloper" <spierce@...>
> To: <websandiego@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Windows Hosting Reseller Recommendations?
>
>
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > The one that I use is called Hostgo.com.  They are here in So Cal.
> > and they have a 700Meg site for 170 a year.   Why
> specifically windows?
> > They are mainly a linux shop, but they do ASP, FrontPage, etc.
> > I have used them for about 3 years now.  They have
> > a very QUICK reponse to a question, sometimes as quick as 4 hrs.
> > You can not talk to them via a phone, but they will answer
> any Email.
> > They are really good about giving assistance on most topics.
>
>
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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>   Next Meetup this week!
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

we still offer 24 hour PHONE tech support and we do dedicated servers at
$99/mo.  i wouldn't consider that high.
but then again there are companies out there that offer 1000gb for $1/mo.
but if your site doesn't matter enough that when there's a problem that you
get immediate assistance, then that's something that you can live with.

--

David Morris
http://www.pixeled.net
http://www.illuminatedhosting.com
http://www.proteussoftware.net
877-PIXELED (749-3533) Toll Free
858-566-6060 Phone
858-566-6079 Fax


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Mansker" <andy@...>
To: <websandiego@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [websandiego] Windows Hosting Reseller Recommendations?


> It just depends on what you are willing to pay. I prefer the budget
hosting,
> but if you want phone contact I'm sure it can be had - for a price.
>
> BTW-I'm on my 3rd reseller package and found a great hosting company. No
> phone, but my Sunday posts in the forum/help tickets are  always answered
> within an hour. (maybe 8 times now).
>
> www.Totalchoicehosting.com
>
> Andy

Provide Commerce (Proflowers) CEO Bill Strauss is opening the NASDAQ
Market on Wednesday May 5th.  You can view the Ceremony (all times
are EDT) on the NASDAQ Market Open Web Cam:

At 9:15 (so you have time to trouble shoot in case they are
experiencing technical difficulties) go to:
http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/marketsite_about.stm

- You need to have Windows Media Player to view the web cam

- Anytime before 9:20, the web cam will be show the Tower, at 9:20
the router is switched and you will see inside the studio

- Do not be alarmed that the web cam is fuzzy. The clarity depends on
your Internet hook up.

Broadcast Coverage:

In addition, You may also tune in to any of the following networks
around 9:28 a.m. EDT:

CNBC -- most reliable, Bloomberg, Bloomberg Brazil, CNN Headline
News, CNN,CNNfn, FoxNews

--------------> it's show time, folks!

On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, the San Diego Linux Users Group will present
several open source business applications for accounting, CRM,
Ecommerce, ERP and medical clinics.


SDLUG Meeting (http://www.sdlug.org)

Wednesday, May 5, 2004
6:30pm - 8pm

3954 Murphy Canyon Road
Suite D200
San Diego, CA 92123

Open-Source Applications: OpenEMR; osCommerce; OSSuite; ATCRM

David Uhlman will explore four outstanding examples of Open-Source the
enterprise solutions.


OpenEMR - Medical Practice Management and Electronic Medical Record
Software

osCommerce - Open Source E-Commerce for on-line stores, catalogs,
payment through several payment vendors, shopping carts and other
features for an on-line store

OSSuite - Open Source E-Commerce including accounting. OSSuite allows
you to create an on-line store, promotions, a catalog of items, payment
through several vendors, shopping carts, process accounting, manage
payroll and employee hours or take orders over the phone or in the
physical store.

ATCRM - Open Source CRM, based on Anteil

Speakers Bio:

David Uhlman is Chief Technology Officer for Pennington Firm, an
Open Source Software Consulting Company in San Diego, CA.  David sits on
the board of the Arizona Open Technology Organization which brings free
& open source software to Non-profit organizations and government
entities.  David is a long time Open Source developer, and
business person.  David is creator of the Learn About Linux brochure and
frequently writes about Open Source topics on LIntellect.org.


The meeting will be held Wednesday evening May 5, at 6:30. Pizza and
refreshments will be served

For additional information and directions see:
http://www.sdlug.org/location.html

Please R.S.V.P. mailto: rsvp@...

Hope everyone is bearing up against the heat... as promised, it's the
return of the Joe Crawford Brain Dump. Hope it's worthwhile to folks. Feel
free to take one or some of these links and comment away if you like!

=====================================================================

Previously in Brain Dump...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/1434
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/2121
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/3183
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/3452
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/4075
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/5468
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/6322
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/10091
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/17851
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/19423
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/23372
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/websandiego/message/24882

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phpCodeBeautifier: neat idea
http://www.phpedit.net/products/phpCodeBeautifier/

Why Content Management Fails: CMSes need managers
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000315.php

open source needs usability experts to lay down the law:
because programmers make programs for programmers
http://daringfireball.net/2004/04/spray_on_usability

Shirky on Situated Software: software targeted at a small
working group
http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html

The Problem with CAPTCHA: keeping robots out is a hard
problem though
http://www.bestkungfu.com/archive/?id=445

coping with a joe job: I dislike the name, for obvious
reasons.
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/sabotage-coping-joe-job

Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years: anything worth
doing takes time to learn. no shortcuts.
http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html

Wireless Security Primer for Regular People: necessary in an
increasingly WiFi'd populace
http://improbable.org/chris/index.php?ID=121
   ( via http://www.sdwug.org/ )

Unified Blog Pinging Theory: one stop shopping
http://dougal.gunters.org/pingform.php
   ( via http://waxy.org/ )

Baron R.K. Von Wolfshield's & the computer business:
lessons of a peculiar character
http://www.brianstorms.com/archives/000308.html

P22's The Terminal: a journal of typography
http://www.p22.com/terminal/index.html

computing and the arts: the wooden mirror is really cool
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/careers/careerstemplate.jsp?ArticleId=e030101

Java Swing tutorial: includes GridBagLayout: I used this a
few weeks ago
http://jan.netcomp.monash.edu.au/java/swingtut/tut1b.html

Cringely depressed about Sun/Microsoft deal: entertaining as
usual
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040408.html

San Diego CTC: new website!
http://www.sdctc.org/

CFmyAdmin: analogue of phpMyAdmin (sadly, does not work with
CFMX)
http://www.cfmyadmin.com/
   ( via http://www.sumoc.com/blog/ )

Tech Mecca 2004: coming up soon
http://www.thetsector.com/techmecca04/

C12 BioVentures: bioinformatics conference
http://www.techvision.com/c21/

INeedCoffee.com turned 5 last week: milestone for a labor of
love
http://ineedcoffee.com/
   ( via http://www.criticalmas.com/ )

Mambo CMS: another open source content management system
http://www.mamboserver.com/

What jobs will be in demand in the future?: good question
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/25/BUGBG5QJPI1.DTL

Generics aren't: computer science geekiness
http://www.mindview.net/WebLog/log-0050/

Subversion and CVS Contextual Menus for OS X: very very
useful
http://www.pycs.net/bbum/2004/1/30/#200401301

Clay Shirky interviewed by Gothamist: Clay is insightful and
fun, as usual
http://www.gothamist.com/interview/archives/2004/04/09/clay_shirky_internet_tech\
nologist.php

SoCalFreeNet: Free Wireless Solar Node: in Golden Hill,
close to me
http://socalfreenet.org/node/view/224

Referrals must be given freely: this is true, and difficult
http://www.welchwrite.com/dewelch/ce/2004/ce040409.asp

Richard Stallman on Java:  "Free but shackled:"
predictable
http://programming.newsforge.com/programming/04/04/07/2021242.shtml

Zeroconf: Howl is to Rendezvous...: ...as Windows is to
Macintosh OS X
http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/
   ( via http://diveintomark.org/ )

Apple 1984 Commercial Backgrounder: fascinating
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=1984.txt
   ( via http://diveintomark.org/ )

Online Viewer for Word, PDF, PostScript: code is GPL'd too
http://www.samurajdata.se/~cj/ps.html
   ( via http://j-walkblog.com/ )

Cavebear on the loss of Libya's .ly domain: better
background than the register story
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200404/msg00109.ht\
ml

Discussion of what caused the great August Blackout: simple
mismanagement, amplified by computer worm
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8412

Local computing world 'David' Lindows is now Linspire: I
still like 'lindows' as a name, it's cheeky
http://www.linspire.com/
   ( via http://slashdot.org/ )

SoCalFreeNet.org on local TV: I love free wireless
http://socalfreenet.org/node/view/227

ZeroDegrees sign up utterly fails for Safari, Firefox, and
Mozilla on the Mac: the developers could not hit water if
they fell out of a boat
http://www.zerodegrees.com/

Philip Greenspun interview in IT Conversations: an
inspiration to me. i'll listen to this when i can.
http://www.itconversations.com/transcripts/94/transcript94-1.html

American Sign Language clock in Flash: nifty!
http://www.barcodeart.com/art/other/sign_clock/sign_clock.html
   ( via http://j-walkblog.com/ )

GUID definition on wikipedia: was just curious
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_Unique_Identifier

UUID definition on wikipedia: related to my curiosity about
GUID
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID

Cyberspace Warriors: put here because I intend to read it
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/415859.html

What's a vote worth?: Analysis from Bruce Schneier. Cold and
looks right to me. Vote trustworthiness is critical to
successful democracy.
http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0404.html#4

Ad Age covers Subservient Chicken: I was in a bookstore the
other day and people were talking about it
http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=40292

Tom Bickle Redesigns: how do you say 'spiffy' in French?
http://www.tombickle.com/blog/

Rini on Programmer Productivity and Market Demand: Bill is
smart
http://www.billrini.com/archives/000053.html

Everything I needed from a database I could get from Excel:
no, not really
http://simpler-solutions.net/pmachinefree/weblog.php?id=P63
   ( via http://j-walkblog.com/ )

How to Be A Programmer: perty good
http://samizdat.mines.edu/howto/HowToBeAProgrammer.html

Some very nice CSS to apply to html tables: for future
reference.
http://www.bowdoin.edu/templates/tables.html

Extracting upcoming.org data: I've so been meaning to do
this
http://idly.org/2003/09/27/extracting_upcomingorg_data

Basics of Scripting OS X: primer
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/11/07/scripting_osx.html

MP3.com content not lost?: semi-unexpected development
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/19/2318226
   ( via http://waxy.org/ )

The Dunbar Number: humans have limits
http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2004/03/the_dunbar_numb.html

Principles of Task Flow for Web Applications: thoughtful
http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/wizards_and_guides_principles_of_task_flo\
w_for_web_applications_part_2.php

Google looking for index.rdf and atom.xml files: like they
wuz robots.txt files or something
http://photomatt.net/archives/2004/04/20/google-cooking/
   ( via http://waxy.org/ )

Old story on z57, web company, by Bill Volk: oldie but
goodie. I used to link to this blog when it was active.
Alas, no more.
http://extremepreneur.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$29

ACM San Diego putting on inexpensive and comprehensive UML
seminar: May 15, good price, great organization, great
speaker. spread the word.
http://www.sdacm.org/pd.htm

Diebold suffers from shoddy software engineering: *shock!*
http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1865~2095811,00.html
   ( via http://www.interesting-people.org/ )

A chandelier you can send an SMS to: a chandelier you can
spam!
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jwz/329022.html

One-Trick Cyberpony's students have fun!: This sounds like a
good class
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdodge/blog/2004_04_18_archive.html#10824988812597259\
4

Monetize THIS: Ideas, ideas, ideas.
http://www.brianstorms.com/archives/000330.html
   ( via http://sandiegobloggers.com/ )

Brad Templeton on GMail: Templeton is always cogent and
smart, and addresses legal issues rather than hyperbole
http://www.templetons.com/brad/gmail.html

TrueBlue: Convert TrueType fonts to PostScript Type I: free
utility for OS X!
http://www.stone.com/TrueBlue/

FlashPaper: printable document viewer export for Contribute:
but, windows only?
http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/flashpaper/

Summary of last weeks San Diego ACM Meeting: about internet
worms: we're doomed; I'm the guy in the white hat.
http://www.sdacm.org/meetings/meet042204.htm

David Moore of CAIDA's web page: links to his fascinating
and scary research papers
http://www.caida.org/%7Edmoore/

DogWaffle, PC paint software: local company, presenting at
the San Diego Macromedia UG in May
http://www.thebest3d.com/dogwaffle/

Visual Studio Dot NET reformats HTML: not good text editor
behavior
http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma/archive/2003/05/15/7051.aspx
   ( via http://www.vistaseeker.com/ )

Desktop Linux Summit wrap up: cheerleading
http://www.sdlug.org/second_annual_linux_desktop_summ.htm

Rewriting subqueries as joins in MySQL: SQL on the brain.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Rewriting_subqueries.html

LEGOLand Billund launches kid l-jack system: how long till
San Diego LEGOLand has these?
http://www.lego.com/legoland/billund/whatsNew/default.asp?locale=2057
   ( via http://boingboing.net/ )

Rise of Elegance in Open Source Software: I'd like to see
more elegance in non-desktop applications as well
http://actsofvolition.com/archives/2004/april/theriseof
   ( via http://www.waxy.org/ )

Texaco UK putting in WiFi parking spots: but it's through
T-Mobile
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/21/texaco_wifi/
   ( via http://www.sdwug.org/ )

US Intelligence Tracking Blogs: googlebombing will meet
bombing?
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/040427/tech_1.html
   ( via http://waxy.org/ )

Clay Shirky points to 'A City is Not A Tree': Reading for
later
http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/04/26/a_city_is_not_a_tree.php
   ( via http://www.corante.com/many/ )

Music made with Windows default sounds: complexity is borne
of simplicity
http://www.milkandcookies.com/flash/w/winnoise.swf

Coppermine: open source PHP/MySQL photo gallery software: an
alternative to gallery
http://coppermine.sourceforge.net/
   ( via http://www.ravensblood.net/corvidae/ )

Fascinating though long history of word processors, Word,
Word for Japan, etc: many nuggets of worthwhile reading
http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/archive/2004/04/27/120944.aspx

BusinessWeek covers the fast-forward area of wireless
innovation: the world keeps changing, fast
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_17/b3880601.htm
   ( via http://www.sdwug.org/ )

Hacking memory: How Philip K. Dick can you get?
http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opinterview.jsp?id=ns24441

Linux Desktop Summit 2004 thoughts: underwhelming
http://wiki.kernel-panic.org/index.php?LinuxDesktopSummit2004Notes

Warflying Los Angeles: not bad
http://wireless.weblogsinc.com/entry/6685815371414459/
   ( via http://boingboing.net/ )

Syntax for an array of Objects in Java: used this for my
City College class on Java
http://mindprod.com/jgloss/gotchas.html#ARRAY

Asilomar Institute for Information Architecture: looks good
http://aifia.org/
   ( via http://www.nicholsgrp.com/2004/05/01/aifia.html )

One-Trick Cyberpony links back: I pointed out Pac-Manhattan
to him, and indeed, he finds it a hoot!
http://home.earthlink.net/~bdodge/blog/2004_05_02_archive.html#10835493067770118\
5

PayPal web services woo developers: The future is APIs
http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5204718.html

TRADEMARK5150 has a neat way to communicate 'Directions':
it's multimedia, and all flash, but the little video
featuring fast forward driving footage is clever
http://www.tm5150.com/

Developers! Developers! Developers!: PayPal gets with the
web services program
https://developer.paypal.com/

Google indexing SWF files: new features all the time from
that Google!
http://www.google.com/search?q=san+diego+filetype%3Aswf

David Foltz's herculean archive of websandiego posts:
amazing amount of work -- for fun!
http://www.foltzwerk.com/tools/websandiego/

=====================================================================

Thanks for reading everyone... I hope this disorganized link dump was of
use to *someone*. Keep up with all (not just the tech) links at
http://artlung.com/blog/

Back to the heat...

	 Joe
--
Joe "ArtLung" Crawford   AIM:artlung   Phone:619-516-4550
LAMP Host Evangelist, Web Designer, Web Developer, WebSanDiego.org List Guy
http://joecrawford.com/  http://lamphost.net/  http://artlung.com/
http://artlung.com/blog/  http://sandiegobloggers.com/
http://sandiegoblog.com/  http://websandiego.org/

I still can't get Eudora to work, and am tired of
waiting for the web-based Earthlink mail.

Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.

=====
Anita Cohen-Williams
Search Engine Optimizer/Guru
http://www.mysearchguru.com

I have a friend that wants a small, configurable Intranet site he can administer
himself.
He's experienced in ASP, SQL, etc. and wants to run something natively with his
Windows
server and tie into his existing Indexing Service easily. The ideas is to embed
that search
functionality into a CMS-driven intranet.

It doesn't have to be fancy, or feature-complete... mainly have the ability to
manage
several people making content changes in different pages. The site won't need to
be over
ten pages or so...

If he wanted to use PHP, I'd push him towards PHP-Nuke or the like, since I know
them. I
don't know anything about ASP, however, so... anyone savvy with ASP... have any
recommendations?

Oh yeah, it's a small company, so 'free' and 'sourceforge' are good. 'Pay' and
'sub-contract'
are bad.

Thanks. :-)

David Snow
david@...

On the PC I use a program called the Bat. has lots of features and is
in very active development. You can check it out at
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

Dan
BasicLink, Inc.


On May 3, 2004, at 5:39 PM, Anita Cohen-Williams wrote:

> I still can't get Eudora to work, and am tired of
> waiting for the web-based Earthlink mail.
>
> Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
> PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.
>
> =====
> Anita Cohen-Williams
> Search Engine Optimizer/Guru
> http://www.mysearchguru.com
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> http://WebSanDiego.org: a list for San Diego web folk of all kinds
>   Next Meetup this week!
>     Thursday 8 April http://webdesign.meetup.com/members/402
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>


************************************************************************
*******
Daniel Seiden
BasicLink, Inc.
http://www.basiclink.com

blog - http://gshocker.com/toyblog
images - http://dan.digitalphotochat.com

i've actually heard that POCOMail is a good alternative:
http://www.pocomail.com/



----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Cohen-Williams" <sdpresidio@...>
To: "websan" <websandiego@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: [websandiego] Looking for an alternative to Eudora


> I still can't get Eudora to work, and am tired of
> waiting for the web-based Earthlink mail.
>
> Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
> PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.
>
> =====
> Anita Cohen-Williams
> Search Engine Optimizer/Guru
> http://www.mysearchguru.com
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> http://WebSanDiego.org: a list for San Diego web folk of all kinds
>   Next Meetup this week!
>     Thursday 8 April http://webdesign.meetup.com/members/402
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
> PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.

Mozilla Thunderbird is the standalone email client from the Mozilla project.
Has good features and works well.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

--
Matt Brown
LAMP Host

> If he wanted to use PHP, I'd push him towards PHP-Nuke or the like,
> since I know them. I
> don't know anything about ASP, however, so... anyone savvy with ASP...
> have any
> recommendations?

What's up D. Snow? How you been?

There's DotNetNuke:
http://www.google.com/search?q=DotNetNuke&sourceid=mozilla-
search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

and Rainbow Portal
http://www.rainbowportal.net/Rainbow/Default.aspx

and IBuySpy (Microsoft's Demo)
http://www.asp.net/IBS_Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx

I wouldn't consider any of these 'small' or 'efficient' or even
'particularly good', but they all are closely comparable to the Nuke
stuff.

-Matt
http://portfolio.vistaseeker.com

Thunderbird seconded, also check out the Bat ($35)
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/

>> Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
>> PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.
>
> Mozilla Thunderbird is the standalone email client from the Mozilla
> project.
> Has good features and works well.
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

Matt
http://portfolio.vistaseeker.com

> > Does anyone have an alternative for reading mail on a
> > PC (but not on the Web)? Outlook is not a viable alternative.

> Mozilla Thunderbird is the standalone email client from the
> Mozilla project. Has good features and works well.
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

Thunderbird 0.6 was released today. Purportedly with better spam
filtering.

Though I use Outlook. I've worked with Thunderbird and I really like
the iCalendar compatible XUL plugin you can use with
FireFox/Thunderbird.

For the price, how can you go wrong?

> What's up D. Snow? How you been?

Great! Intuit is treating me well. Do you believe I'm learning how to
surf? I have my eyes on an 8'-6" epoxy funboard. Weird, huh? :-D

> There's DotNetNuke:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=DotNetNuke&sourceid=mozilla-
> search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>
> and Rainbow Portal
> http://www.rainbowportal.net/Rainbow/Default.aspx
>
> and IBuySpy (Microsoft's Demo)
> http://www.asp.net/IBS_Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx
>
> I wouldn't consider any of these 'small' or 'efficient' or even
> 'particularly good', but they all are closely comparable to the Nuke
> stuff.

Perfect, as always. That should be enough to give my friend an idea of
what's out there... so he can make an educated decision. Thanks!

David

For fear of showing my ignorance I searched the WebSanDiego archives
for mention of 4096 colors before posting this. I didn't find any
matches (granted the search function is still in Beta). So if I
missed it, well, here's my shame.

I used to be one of the 216 browser safe color koolaid drinkers.
Trust me; those 216 colors were darned important. I still mumble
browser safe color hexadecimal codes in my sleep. I stretched the
color limits by making custom browser safe checkerboards with the
best of them. But sometime around early 2002 I stopped caring. All
around the web you could see browser safe color caution had been
thrown to the wind. There was something new to wring our hands over,
CSS, XHTML, the DOM, standards. So my curiosity was piqued this
evening when, while installing a free version upgrade to ColorImpact
2.6 I read in the change log that the author added support for the
4096 color web-smart palette. Huh? Well, it's real, and here are
some interesting links and new color pickers.

Basically, instead of building colors with our old buddies 00, 33,
66, 99, CC, and FF. This time 11, 22, 44, 55, 77, 88, AA, BB, DD,
and EE have been invited to the party. Giving us a nice big 16 x 16
x 16 color cube.

Supposedly these colors are "safe" across all monitors capable of
displaying more than thousands of colors. If that don't beat all
they're even supposed to dither nicely to the original 216 on
monitors only capable of 216 colors.

Without further waiting around or whatever, here are the links.

4096 Color Wheel Version 2.1
http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html

MoreCrayons (colors for web designers)
http://www.morecrayons.com/palettes/webSmart/

Last but not least, a link to TigerColor http://www.tigercolor.com/
because I owe the discovery to their changelog.

Now will this discovery change the way I currently work with color?

David

If you've been in downtown San Diego you've seen them, three wheeled
bicycles with passengers, they're called Pedicabs. There are about 200
licensed riders in San Diego, we're people who've been, out sourced,
layed off, we're too old, too young, in school or unschooled. For
whatever reason we're not viable to the Bush economy, but we've found
something we can do to stay afloat in this economy, give people rides on
our bike taxis.

Recently the San Diego City Council has decided that we're not an asset
to San Diego and has voted to restrict our access to Petco Park during
ballgames and other special events. We are small, quiet, safe and
non-polluting, yet we do not have the same rights as any and every other
vehicle. Private vehicles, cabs, buses, and electric "minicabs" can use
streets around the new ballpark that pedicabs are restricted from using.

This is wrong, go to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/pedicab/petition.html
and urge the San Diego City Council to reverse their unfair and
livelihood wrecking decision.

Pass this around! Tell your friends!

Thanks
Jim Carter


--


         Eas Gooch

*AG Sayer : Graphic Production and Design*
619-602-8275
www.AGSayer.com
agsayer1@...


/Even the wrong words rhyme.
/- anonymous



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> urge the San Diego City Council to reverse their unfair and
> livelihood wrecking decision.

I certainly will. I used to pedicab in Balboa park in 1989-90. I
think that most of the gaslamp area should be closed to automobile
traffic except for delivery trucks during delivery hours. The city
council probably just wants to shut down the current pedicab company
so the ball team owners can open their own "pedal-cab" service.
Those poor ball team owners really deserve a break.