Hi Lori,

I'm up on Netscape 4.6 on a mediocre PC, and there are no problems at all.
It looks great!

Meredee

lori biggs wrote:

> http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
>
> Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> causing errors?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/

Their site is kinda .... old school.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Elias [mailto:pelias@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:31 PM
To: Web San Diego
Subject: [websandiego] z57.com


Does anyone know anything about z57.com?

a buddy of mine is interviewing with them tomorrow and asked me about
them. I couldn't give him any answers 'cause I don't know anyone who
works there...

e-mail me off list if ya can help
--
_____________________

paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
web solutions specialist    pelias@...
eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
			 _____________________



# WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
# email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
# San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
# who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/

Domain Name: Z57.COM

    Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
       Z57.com, Steve  (SW5106)  steve@...
       Z57.com
       6920 Miramar Road, Suite 205
       San Diego, CA 92121
       619-566-5757 (FAX) 619-566-5096
    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
       CONNECTnet Internet Network Services  (CINS-NOC)  noc@...
       CONNECTnet Internet Network Services
       6370 Lusk Blvd, Suite F208
       San Diego, CA 92121
       US
       (858) 450-0254
       Fax- (858) 450-3216

    Record last updated on 29-Oct-1998.
    Record expires on 29-Oct-2000.
    Record created on 29-Oct-1998.
    Database last updated on 28-Jun-2000 20:16:44 EDT.

From whois, it looks like they have had that domain for almost two years.

Bonnie Oberster
Distribution Analyst
Electric Reliability Improvement
SDGE-Sempra Energy

mailto:BOberster@...
mailto:designer@...
http://www.matchbookart.com

All:
     I recently removed a sticker from the plastic case of my new monitor and
found that some of the sticker's spirit gum/glue still remained on the case.
Does anyone know of a good glue remover/solvent that will remove the glue
from the plastic without removing the paint?
     Thanks for any information.

Sincerly,
Keith Lee
cmarvel@...
http://members.cts.com/crash/c/cmarvel


----- Original Message -----
From: <websandiego@egroups.com>
To: <websandiego@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [websandiego] Digest Number 442


> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. FWD: Opera 4 Released -- [Internet World News]
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       2. Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       3. Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       4. RE: MySQL goes GPL; SQL Server gets new "you get more, you pay
more" model
>            From: "Michael DeVicariis" <webtemp@...>
>       5. Re: Site Review Request
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>       6. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>       7. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>       8. RE: Site Review Request
>            From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
>       9. Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>      10. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>      11. Zaplet technology
>            From: jje92@...
>      12. Contracts and Legalese
>            From: "Jamie Garff" <Jamie.Garff@...>
>      13. RE: Zaplet technology
>            From: Steve Kapali <skapali@...>
>      14. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>      15. Re: flash site
>            From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
>      16. Re: flash site
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>      17. RE: Zaplet technology
>            From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
>      18. Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>      19. Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: Laurie Marrelli <laurie@...>
>      20. Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>      21. Re: flash site
>            From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
>      22. RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "Janece Clement" <janece@...>
>      23. Site check, please :-)
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>      24. RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "Oberster, Bonnie L." <boberster@...>
>      25. Woops!
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:46:25 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: FWD: Opera 4 Released -- [Internet World News]
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: INTERNET WORLD NEWS, June 28, 2000
> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: IWNews <IWNews@...>
>
> INTERNET WORLD NEWS
> Wednesday, June 28, 2000
> Vol. 2, Issue 125
> http://www.internetworldnews.com
>
> <snip>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Lovers of Opera Browser Get a Fourth Act
>
> By James C. Luh
>
> Opera Software ( http://www.opera.com ) Wednesday
> released version 4.0 of its Web browser, an alternative to
> Microsoft Internet Explorer and Netscape Communicator.
>
> Opera, which grew out of an internal project at Norway's
> Telenor, released its first commercial browser, Opera 2.1,
> in 1996. The company has continued to update the browser,
> but it has lost some of its underdog status to former top
> dog Netscape, as that company's browser has declined in
> market share and the development of Netscape's open-source
> Mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org ) browser has run into a
> series of delays.
>
> Opera claims its 4.0 browser is faster than the competitors
> and includes better support for standards such as Cascading
> Style Sheets (CSS) ( http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS ).
> Test-driving the browser Wednesday, I found it comparable to
> Microsoft's and Netscape's browsers in terms of speed and
> smoothness, but I'm not ready to say with certainty that
> it's clearly faster.
>
> I also didn't see enough to judge the claim of better
> standards support, but it's not hard to believe considering
> the incomplete CSS support in the two dominant browsers.
> Also, Opera CTO Hakon W. Lie was one of the first to propose
> using style sheets on Web pages, and he coauthored the CSS1
> and CSS2 specifications.
>
> Will Opera 4.0 be the dark horse that overtakes Microsoft's
> and Netscape's browsers? Not likely. Standards support may
> win kudos from gearheads, but it's harder to sell to everyday
> users, few of whom have any idea what CSS is.
>
> Also, there are still a few Web sites that don't test their
> source code with alternative browsers like Opera. So even if
> Opera hews closely to Internet standards, it might not work
> properly with a site designed to exploit proprietary features
> of Netscape's or Microsoft's browser. Then there's the matter
> of Opera's $39 price tag, which will likely deter users
> unaccustomed to paying for browsers.
>
> Still, it's comforting to see that Web users have a choice
> of software. Mozilla's 1.0 release -- if it ever appears --
> will expand that choice, as will the variety of new browsers
> the industry creates to enable Web access in mobile devices,
> kiosks, and Internet appliances. The diversity of browsers
> may make life more difficult for Web developers in some ways,
> but it will go a long way toward keeping the Web an open
> platform and an interesting arena for competition.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> <snip>
>
> ON OUR SITE:
> * Internet World Radio:
>   What It Takes to Streamline Network Traffic
>   ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/radio )
> * Internet World June 15 Issue
>   Recruit or Die
>   ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_ip.asp )
> * Newsletter back issues
>   by date ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_rn.htm)
>   by keyword ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/findControl.cfm )
> * IW 50 ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_r.htm )
> * Design Survey ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_r.htm )
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Questions, comments, story tips? Write to
> mailto:iweditor@...
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Copyright (c) 2000 by Internet World Media,
> A Penton Media, Inc. Company.
> <snip>
>
> To subscribe, please go to:
> http://SUBscribe.penton.com/cgi/circ/innewsform.pl
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:19:24 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>
> d i g i t E l l e wrote:
> > Hello again:
> > Seems that my friends in Jamaica were so impressed with the
> > great feedback you all gave (positive and negative) for the
> > last website I submitted, they are begging for more!
> >
> > So here is another one, and if anyone has some time to go
> > and give some advice, I would really appreciate it...this
> > one is from my friend Claudine, and it is her first
> > accomplishment!
> >
> > Thanks for any and all suggestions!
> > Lilia
> >
> > <snip>
> > Did you look at my website? It would be good to get
> > feedback. I find it takes a long time to download on some
> > computers and on some it comes out totally wrong and none of
> > the links work. http://www.visionarycomputing.com
> > <snip>
>
> Hrm. Okay.... http://www.visionarycomputing.com it is.
>
> Well - it's a good first effort, but there is a ways to go to make this
> site really good. No malice is intended in the following criticism...
>
> Quick thoughts:
>  -- The frames are not helping, and the top navigation breaks (looks
> wrong, the buttons wrap) when the browser is resized - not good).
>  -- for a Mac site, the choice of button type (Mac OS X style) is cute,
> but they take up too much real estate. Remind your friend of 640x480
>  -- The pale blue "cloud" textured background is lame. It does nothing
> but expose the fact that the buttons have white backgrounds.
>  -- When placing graphics on backgrounds - be cognizant of the
> background they're being placed on. ALL the graphics on this site that
> are on that background look *wrong*
>  -- BLINK BLINK BLINK ... that GIF with the animated Macs is *really*
> awful. I realize that it's probably one of the first your author ever
> did - but it does a disservice to the site by distracting the visitor
>  -- All the graphics and headlines on the first page need a rethink.
> Think - "call to action" here. They are all sort of mealy mouthed --
> "Visionary Choices" is a link I don't even understand. Remember that a
> person should be given at least some idea of what's behind a link.
>  -- sidebar stuff: make the sidebar text sans-serif and smaller, and the
> graphics smaller, and less space between items, and waste less space
> between items (and certainly don't use <HR>'s that way - they chew up
> too much valuable real estate).
>  -- "Products" turns 3 frames into 5. the "Work Area" is an interesting
> idea - but I would do that as a shopping cart, rather than as a "cut and
> paste" information area. Again, the buttons with white backgrounds look
> bad on the textured bg. The dhtml is a well intentioned mistake. Kill
> it, and instead do something else. I'm not against animation,  but
> there's a real opportunity to put stuff on the main body of the products
> page, and it's a squandered one.
>  -- "Contact" -- lose the stolen hamster from hamsterdance
>  -- Lose the blinking oil refinery on Earth icon. It is worse than
meaningless.
>  -- the <title> tag for the frameset says "Untitled Document" - not good.
>  -- For getting quotes, it encourages email. A nice email form might be
> better. Encouraging the visitor to use the work area is problematic -
> because you can lose the work area as you move around
>  -- Top buttons - turn red, inexplicably. This is not necessarily useful.
>  -- Branding - the logo they have is good for print, terrible for the
> web. I would pump up the size of the text "Visionary Computing Limited"
> and crop the icon/logo.
>
> Those are my thoughts. Honest, hopefully not too harsh.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:29:14 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> Jim McArthur wrote:
> > Anyone that get's a chance, go check out:
> >
> > http://www.penguininteractive.com
> >
> > We just posted the Flash version of our site, and although it still
needs
> > some work (and speed tuning) - you'll get the general idea. Let me know
what
> > you think. Oh, and check out the HTML version, we could use some
feedback
> > there as well...
>
> Just commenting on the Flash.
>
> Look - beautiful. Love the colors and nice use of Penguin stock photos.
> Those could have been cheesy, but the look is lush instead. Kudos.
>
> Nice *look* to the button mouseovers - very cool effect. I dislike the
> "buzz" on rollover sound. I think that's the stock light-saber-y sound.
> Something more muted - or *something* could be done with that sound. You
> might consider *adding* a sound to the buttons on "select a client"
though.
>
> Love the 3-rendered logo of the penguin. I'm going to *guess* that that
> was done in Illustrator or Freehand with Vector effects (though I
> suppose it could be any 3-D Program) - it's a nice look, anyway. Good
> differentiation from the ebizsolutions logo (the blue/orange/black/white
one).
>
> Size - it seems like this cries for this *not* to be in frames. You
> could pull it off as a single page with the margins set to zero. Set the
> width to 100% and height of the flash file to, say, 60% and you might be
> able to pull it off without frames
>
> Transitions are a little choppy. The button animation is interfering
> with the fades and transitions. You might try tweaking the framerate a
bit.
>
> Otherwise, great stuff gentlemen. :-)
>
> System tested on: Nav 4.73/Mac - PowerMac 266MHz.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:09:02 -0700
>    From: "Michael DeVicariis" <webtemp@...>
> Subject: RE: MySQL goes GPL; SQL Server gets new "you get more, you pay
more" model
>
> >what do folks think of the new server pricing strategies from MS?
>
> I think that Microsoft is trying to compete with Oracle and Sybase, not
with
> MySQL.  MySQL is a public domain database that works in many situations.
It
> is very fast and is the best solution in many instances considering the
> cost.  MS SQL Server, Oracle, and Sybase are better for doing many joins.
> What does this mean for web developers?  MySQL is probably the right
choice
> in most projects.  It will also help us in keeping the cost down.
>
>
>
> Michael DeVicariis
> Web Administrator/Developer
> Programmer/Analyst
> UCSD Auxiliary & Plant Services
> (858) 534-0700
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:26 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Review Request
>
> >P.S. A big thanks to Paulo! Your feedback has been very helpful. You da
man.
> ==========================
>
> no prob, anytime. great work on the site.
>
> did you guys do that inhouse?
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:38:49 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> At 06:29 AM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jim McArthur wrote:
> > > Anyone that get's a chance, go check out:
> > >
> > > http://www.penguininteractive.com
> > >
>
> This site is very beautiful!!  I would comment, however, that the way I
> read it, I had the latest version of flash, so I should enter the "high
> bandwidth" area... and I did, even though I am on an old 33.6 modem, and
> know that does not qualify as "high bandwidth".  I soon got very
> frustrated.  I'm not sure exactly who your audience is. Do they know what
> "high bandwidth" is?
>
> The button sounds are a cool idea (but like Joe, I found the sound
> irritating)  then, when I clicked and nothing happened, I thought it
wasn't
> working... so I went to get coffee, then came back and saw that something
> did indeed come up.  very cool stuff, but again, the bandwidth thing.  It
> took a full 13 seconds to load the description boxes after clicking
> "Services" "Portfolio" "About" etc.
>
> I did get an "error on line 12: javascript version undefined" when I went
> to a case study from the portfolio section.  It didn't stop the window
from
> opening, but when I said I didn't want to de-bug, it closed the
> window...  I am using IE 5
>
> Sites like this make me wish I had a faster modem, or DSL or something!!
I
> like the concept, colors, pics, etc.
>
> Has anyone done any market research on things like how many people have
> high bandwidth connections?   I personally know a lot of people that
don't,
> myself included.  I can't get cable where I am right now, and don't really
> want to spend the money anyway--  then again, perhaps a user like me is
not
> really your target audience....
> --Jenn
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:56:13 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> >Has anyone done any market research on things like how many people have
> >high bandwidth connections?   I personally know a lot of people that
don't,
> >myself included.  I can't get cable where I am right now, and don't
really
> >want to spend the money anyway--  then again, perhaps a user like me is
not
> >really your target audience....
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> there are few people who have broadband connections. the last number
> i remember was ~5-7% (don't quote me on that, i don't have time to
> research it at the moment).
>
> the flash version works because their target audience is/will be on a
> broadband connection when they see the site. and the html only
> version is available so the didn't leave everyone out ;-)
>
> k. back to work
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:55:16 -0700
>    From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Review Request
>
> Yup.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: P. Elias [mailto:pelias@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:40 AM
> To: websandiego@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Site Review Request
>
>
> >P.S. A big thanks to Paulo! Your feedback has been very helpful. You da
> man.
> ==========================
>
> no prob, anytime. great work on the site.
>
> did you guys do that inhouse?
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:19:39 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>
>
> > > Did you look at my website? It would be good to get
> > > feedback. I find it takes a long time to download on some
> > > computers and on some it comes out totally wrong and none of
> > > the links work. http://www.visionarycomputing.com
> > > <snip>
>
>
> I am assuming this is a first effort, and congrats! I  know how hard it
> is....  I would caution you, however, from using too many "cute" graphic
> tricks.  I know its cool that you can make a little bear run across the
> bottom of the screen, however, you always need to ask yourself, "Does this
> do anything to advance my message to the user?"   I would critically ask
> that question throughout your site...  I personally hate frames... I don't
> feel they add much to the overall usability of any site (that I've seen so
> far!)
>
> The blue background of the frames is a bit distracting, and the graphics
> are not transparent.  Also, your company logo should be bigger, as who you
> are gets lost in and amongst the other information.
>
> Packages section (not sure if this word "packages" is a regional
> term...  should it be "customized software packages" Within that section,
> I would have short descriptions like "Underwriter 9- software for general
> insurance agents" , make the text bigger, and have the graphics clickable
> to get more info on the actual product, like features and ordering
information.
>
> Products section... I couldn't get any of the sections:  Printers,
> Scanners, Cables, etc to load up. I am not sure what is supposed to come
up
> with the exception of the "work area,"  which I didn't understand.  You
> have a lot of product to cover.  Check out this site, they recently added
> the online shopping cart section (which I've not used). The site is not
> really pretty, but it conveys information and it is easy to use.
> Specifically, when you click on an product area, you get only a list of
the
> products, then, if you want to see the particular product, it links to the
> detail info.  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/
> You could at the very least, create an online form for email orders, or a
> printable order form that folks could fax to you.
>
> Best of luck!
> --Jenn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:30:38 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
>
> ><snip>
> >the flash version works because their target audience is/will be on a
> >broadband connection when they see the site. and the html only
> >version is available so the didn't leave everyone out ;-)
> </snip>
>
> Yes, I agree, but I was playing dumb blond, and by reading the tag line:
> "If you can see the northern lights above, you have the latest version of
> flash and may enter the high bandwidth version by clicking on the link
below"
>
> I did also enter the html version, and got all the information I
> needed....    however, the decision makers (the one's who write the
checks)
> may not necessarily know much about the technology that they are "buying"
>
> --Jenn
>
> PS: thanks for the stats (even if they weren't totally
> accurate).  Designers/Developers should be more aware of that!  IMHO while
> all that "flashy" stuff is pretty cool, it doesn't necessarily add to the
> content, or help get the message out... or make the site more usable. I
> hate that all the new software, websites, etc  that are out there are
> trying to force me into buying more and more expensive equipment every
> couple of days just to keep up!  :-)
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:38:28 -0000
>    From: jje92@...
> Subject: Zaplet technology
>
> I've recently discovered a communications tool which I think has
> enormous potential in the Java arena--Zaplets (which were mentioned
> in Bill Joy's keynote at JavaOne). Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
>
> www.zaplet.com
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:06 -0000
>    From: "Jamie Garff" <Jamie.Garff@...>
> Subject: Contracts and Legalese
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> Does anyone know of any great links/resources for finding good
> project agreements and other contracts(subcontractor agreements,
> consulting contracts, etc.) specifically related to web development?
> Our current versions of these documents could really use some
> revisions.
>
> Thanks,
> Jamie
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:00:28 -0700
>    From: Steve Kapali <skapali@...>
> Subject: RE: Zaplet technology
>
> I tried it  - very cool stuff. They say that it even works in yahoo mail
and
> hotmail. The poll zaplet is pretty fun.
>
> steve kapali
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jje92@...
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
> >
> > Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> > email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> > that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> > inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> > automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> > Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> > a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
> >
> > www.zaplet.com
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:31:10 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> >I did also enter the html version, and got all the information I
> >needed....    however, the decision makers (the one's who write the
checks)
> >may not necessarily know much about the technology that they are "buying"
>
> very true... it is the job of the rep from the company to educate the
> client and provide enough information so the client can make the best
> decision possible... but this can lead to discussion of biz ethics
> and all that fun stuff
>
> >PS: thanks for the stats (even if they weren't totally
> >accurate).  Designers/Developers should be more aware of that!  IMHO
while
> >all that "flashy" stuff is pretty cool, it doesn't necessarily add to the
> >content, or help get the message out... or make the site more usable. I
> >hate that all the new software, websites, etc  that are out there are
> >trying to force me into buying more and more expensive equipment every
> >couple of days just to keep up!  :-)
>
> no prob at all. designing for the web takes more than meets the eye.
> any designer can open photoshop and come up with pretty pictures. web
> designers need to understand informations design, interaction/sensory
> design, UI design, and they should even know browser differences, at
> least how html works, and banwidth constraints.
>
> the web allows access to information. too many sites forget that.
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:23:41 -0700
>    From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> "Hi guys...take a look at the flash stuff we did for the site.... "
> http://www.penguininteractive.com
>
> ......................................
>
> This site is very, very nice, (muy bonita) I like how you set up the sub
> category navigation bar from main bar ........... great job!
>
> ?? - does anyone know of a online class or good tutorial book on
> Intermediate Flash?
>
> I know how to set up single Flash movies, but need to learn how to piece
> together an
> entire interactive web site
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 16
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:19:09 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eileen Ensign wrote:
> > ?? - does anyone know of a online class or good tutorial book on
> > Intermediate Flash?
> >
> > I know how to set up single Flash movies, but need to learn how to piece
> > together an entire interactive web site
>
> search the archives of the list for some of that stuff (check the footer
> of the http://websandiego.org site) for flash and tutorial [at least I
> think that'll work] ... maybe "learning flash" would work.
>
> You might take a shot of the freebie classes here:
>
http://www.ncc.sdccd.cc.ca.us/ce-grid/gen-bit/bit/north-cc/descrip7.html#116
>
> Other than that, my successes in Flash were always based on
> experimentation. Most of the tutorials that came with the software taught
> you a great deal, very fast.
>
> Good luck,
> Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:41:31 -0700
>    From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
> Subject: RE: Zaplet technology
>
> Yeah, that thing is pretty cool...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Kapali [mailto:skapali@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:00 PM
> To: 'websandiego@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
>
>
> I tried it  - very cool stuff. They say that it even works in yahoo mail
and
> hotmail. The poll zaplet is pretty fun.
>
> steve kapali
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jje92@...
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
> >
> > Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> > email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> > that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> > inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> > automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> > Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> > a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
> >
> > www.zaplet.com
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:27:35 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
>
> Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> causing errors?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:47:18 -0700
>    From: Laurie Marrelli <laurie@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> Checked in on my Mac in N4 and IE5, no errors. Although, on IE5 there
> was a lot of images jumping left and right - while it loaded. Nice
> design and good icons!
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
> >http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> >Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> >causing errors?
> >
> >Thanks so much!
> >
> --
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<LAMA Design>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>              Making Ideas Fly
>       619-275-1239
> Graphic Design, New Media, Art Direction
>          http://www.lamadesign.com
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, lori biggs wrote:
> > http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> > Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> > causing errors?
> >
> > Thanks so much!
>
> No errors in - er - 4.6 Netscape, but mega errors in IE5 (both Windows).
>
> Line 504? Object does not support method.
>
> Once again, included .js files are hard to troubleshoot.
>
> It fails a few times, then works.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:55:30 -0700
>    From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> Joe Crawford wrote:
> search the archives of the list for some of that stuff (check the footer
> of the http://websandiego.org site) for flash and tutorial [at least I
> think that'll work] ... maybe "learning flash" would work.
>
> You might take a shot of the freebie classes here:
>
http://www.ncc.sdccd.cc.ca.us/ce-grid/gen-bit/bit/north-cc/descrip7.html#116
>
> .......................
>
> Thanks a lot Joe, looked at both of these links and think something in
> here should work for me!
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:04:40 -0700
>    From: "Janece Clement" <janece@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Hey Lori - I don't know if you've already made changes to the site after
the
> post below from Laurie and then Joe.. but I didn't get any errors here on
IE
> 5.
>
> ~Janece
>
> :::::: E L E C T R O G L Y P H
> :::::: 3625 Kingsley Street  San Diego CA  92106
> :::::: web. http://www.electroglyph.com
> :::::: ph. 619.223.0370  fax. 619.223.0481
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurie Marrelli [mailto:laurie@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:47 PM
> To: websandiego@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Site Check, Please :-)
>
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> Checked in on my Mac in N4 and IE5, no errors. Although, on IE5 there
> was a lot of images jumping left and right - while it loaded. Nice
> design and good icons!
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
> >http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> >Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> >causing errors?
> >
> >Thanks so much!
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:50:04 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Site check, please :-)
>
> http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
>
> Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> causing errors?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 24
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:11:24 -0700
>    From: "Oberster, Bonnie L." <boberster@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Just barely works in I.E. 5 on Windows.  The main thing that I noticed
from
> your code, is that you are not preloading your images.  Even after the
page
> said that it was done loading, everytime that I moused over an image, it
> started downloading again.
>
> I think that if you set up a table to preload your images, that it will
help
> a lot with images jumping around all over the place.  I also noticed that
> some of your images are interlaced and others are not, gives a weird
effect.
>
> The layout is nice, and the double image swap mouseover would definitely
> work with some cleaner code.  This code has popped up on this list several
> times, but I cannot find my reference to it at the moment.
>
> Can someone else provide a link to a good example of the double image swap
> mouse-over.  I know that Tim Wayne and I have done this one to death, but
I
> can't find it.  I think Nestor has it too!
>
> Bonnie Oberster
> Distribution Analyst
> Electric Reliability Improvement
> SDGE-Sempra Energy
>
> mailto:BOberster@...
> mailto:designer@...
> http://www.matchbookart.com
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:06:17 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Woops!
>
> Sorry for the double post on the site check, everyone.  I have FREAKY
email
> today!  Is it Friday yet?
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>

Goof-Off RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

(rubbing alcohol works too)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Lee [mailto:cmarvel@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:37 PM
To: websandiego@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [websandiego] Digest Number 442


All:
     I recently removed a sticker from the plastic case of my new monitor and
found that some of the sticker's spirit gum/glue still remained on the case.
Does anyone know of a good glue remover/solvent that will remove the glue
from the plastic without removing the paint?
     Thanks for any information.

Sincerly,
Keith Lee
cmarvel@...
http://members.cts.com/crash/c/cmarvel


----- Original Message -----
From: <websandiego@egroups.com>
To: <websandiego@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [websandiego] Digest Number 442


> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. FWD: Opera 4 Released -- [Internet World News]
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       2. Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       3. Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>       4. RE: MySQL goes GPL; SQL Server gets new "you get more, you pay
more" model
>            From: "Michael DeVicariis" <webtemp@...>
>       5. Re: Site Review Request
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>       6. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>       7. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>       8. RE: Site Review Request
>            From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
>       9. Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>      10. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
>      11. Zaplet technology
>            From: jje92@...
>      12. Contracts and Legalese
>            From: "Jamie Garff" <Jamie.Garff@...>
>      13. RE: Zaplet technology
>            From: Steve Kapali <skapali@...>
>      14. Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>            From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
>      15. Re: flash site
>            From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
>      16. Re: flash site
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>      17. RE: Zaplet technology
>            From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
>      18. Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>      19. Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: Laurie Marrelli <laurie@...>
>      20. Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
>      21. Re: flash site
>            From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
>      22. RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "Janece Clement" <janece@...>
>      23. Site check, please :-)
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>      24. RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>            From: "Oberster, Bonnie L." <boberster@...>
>      25. Woops!
>            From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:46:25 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: FWD: Opera 4 Released -- [Internet World News]
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: INTERNET WORLD NEWS, June 28, 2000
> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: IWNews <IWNews@...>
>
> INTERNET WORLD NEWS
> Wednesday, June 28, 2000
> Vol. 2, Issue 125
> http://www.internetworldnews.com
>
> <snip>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Lovers of Opera Browser Get a Fourth Act
>
> By James C. Luh
>
> Opera Software ( http://www.opera.com ) Wednesday
> released version 4.0 of its Web browser, an alternative to
> Microsoft Internet Explorer and Netscape Communicator.
>
> Opera, which grew out of an internal project at Norway's
> Telenor, released its first commercial browser, Opera 2.1,
> in 1996. The company has continued to update the browser,
> but it has lost some of its underdog status to former top
> dog Netscape, as that company's browser has declined in
> market share and the development of Netscape's open-source
> Mozilla ( http://www.mozilla.org ) browser has run into a
> series of delays.
>
> Opera claims its 4.0 browser is faster than the competitors
> and includes better support for standards such as Cascading
> Style Sheets (CSS) ( http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS ).
> Test-driving the browser Wednesday, I found it comparable to
> Microsoft's and Netscape's browsers in terms of speed and
> smoothness, but I'm not ready to say with certainty that
> it's clearly faster.
>
> I also didn't see enough to judge the claim of better
> standards support, but it's not hard to believe considering
> the incomplete CSS support in the two dominant browsers.
> Also, Opera CTO Hakon W. Lie was one of the first to propose
> using style sheets on Web pages, and he coauthored the CSS1
> and CSS2 specifications.
>
> Will Opera 4.0 be the dark horse that overtakes Microsoft's
> and Netscape's browsers? Not likely. Standards support may
> win kudos from gearheads, but it's harder to sell to everyday
> users, few of whom have any idea what CSS is.
>
> Also, there are still a few Web sites that don't test their
> source code with alternative browsers like Opera. So even if
> Opera hews closely to Internet standards, it might not work
> properly with a site designed to exploit proprietary features
> of Netscape's or Microsoft's browser. Then there's the matter
> of Opera's $39 price tag, which will likely deter users
> unaccustomed to paying for browsers.
>
> Still, it's comforting to see that Web users have a choice
> of software. Mozilla's 1.0 release -- if it ever appears --
> will expand that choice, as will the variety of new browsers
> the industry creates to enable Web access in mobile devices,
> kiosks, and Internet appliances. The diversity of browsers
> may make life more difficult for Web developers in some ways,
> but it will go a long way toward keeping the Web an open
> platform and an interesting arena for competition.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> <snip>
>
> ON OUR SITE:
> * Internet World Radio:
>   What It Takes to Streamline Network Traffic
>   ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/radio )
> * Internet World June 15 Issue
>   Recruit or Die
>   ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_ip.asp )
> * Newsletter back issues
>   by date ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_rn.htm)
>   by keyword ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/findControl.cfm )
> * IW 50 ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_r.htm )
> * Design Survey ( http://www.internetworldnews.com/idx_r.htm )
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Questions, comments, story tips? Write to
> mailto:iweditor@...
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Copyright (c) 2000 by Internet World Media,
> A Penton Media, Inc. Company.
> <snip>
>
> To subscribe, please go to:
> http://SUBscribe.penton.com/cgi/circ/innewsform.pl
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:19:24 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>
> d i g i t E l l e wrote:
> > Hello again:
> > Seems that my friends in Jamaica were so impressed with the
> > great feedback you all gave (positive and negative) for the
> > last website I submitted, they are begging for more!
> >
> > So here is another one, and if anyone has some time to go
> > and give some advice, I would really appreciate it...this
> > one is from my friend Claudine, and it is her first
> > accomplishment!
> >
> > Thanks for any and all suggestions!
> > Lilia
> >
> > <snip>
> > Did you look at my website? It would be good to get
> > feedback. I find it takes a long time to download on some
> > computers and on some it comes out totally wrong and none of
> > the links work. http://www.visionarycomputing.com
> > <snip>
>
> Hrm. Okay.... http://www.visionarycomputing.com it is.
>
> Well - it's a good first effort, but there is a ways to go to make this
> site really good. No malice is intended in the following criticism...
>
> Quick thoughts:
>  -- The frames are not helping, and the top navigation breaks (looks
> wrong, the buttons wrap) when the browser is resized - not good).
>  -- for a Mac site, the choice of button type (Mac OS X style) is cute,
> but they take up too much real estate. Remind your friend of 640x480
>  -- The pale blue "cloud" textured background is lame. It does nothing
> but expose the fact that the buttons have white backgrounds.
>  -- When placing graphics on backgrounds - be cognizant of the
> background they're being placed on. ALL the graphics on this site that
> are on that background look *wrong*
>  -- BLINK BLINK BLINK ... that GIF with the animated Macs is *really*
> awful. I realize that it's probably one of the first your author ever
> did - but it does a disservice to the site by distracting the visitor
>  -- All the graphics and headlines on the first page need a rethink.
> Think - "call to action" here. They are all sort of mealy mouthed --
> "Visionary Choices" is a link I don't even understand. Remember that a
> person should be given at least some idea of what's behind a link.
>  -- sidebar stuff: make the sidebar text sans-serif and smaller, and the
> graphics smaller, and less space between items, and waste less space
> between items (and certainly don't use <HR>'s that way - they chew up
> too much valuable real estate).
>  -- "Products" turns 3 frames into 5. the "Work Area" is an interesting
> idea - but I would do that as a shopping cart, rather than as a "cut and
> paste" information area. Again, the buttons with white backgrounds look
> bad on the textured bg. The dhtml is a well intentioned mistake. Kill
> it, and instead do something else. I'm not against animation,  but
> there's a real opportunity to put stuff on the main body of the products
> page, and it's a squandered one.
>  -- "Contact" -- lose the stolen hamster from hamsterdance
>  -- Lose the blinking oil refinery on Earth icon. It is worse than
meaningless.
>  -- the <title> tag for the frameset says "Untitled Document" - not good.
>  -- For getting quotes, it encourages email. A nice email form might be
> better. Encouraging the visitor to use the work area is problematic -
> because you can lose the work area as you move around
>  -- Top buttons - turn red, inexplicably. This is not necessarily useful.
>  -- Branding - the logo they have is good for print, terrible for the
> web. I would pump up the size of the text "Visionary Computing Limited"
> and crop the icon/logo.
>
> Those are my thoughts. Honest, hopefully not too harsh.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:29:14 -0700
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> Jim McArthur wrote:
> > Anyone that get's a chance, go check out:
> >
> > http://www.penguininteractive.com
> >
> > We just posted the Flash version of our site, and although it still
needs
> > some work (and speed tuning) - you'll get the general idea. Let me know
what
> > you think. Oh, and check out the HTML version, we could use some
feedback
> > there as well...
>
> Just commenting on the Flash.
>
> Look - beautiful. Love the colors and nice use of Penguin stock photos.
> Those could have been cheesy, but the look is lush instead. Kudos.
>
> Nice *look* to the button mouseovers - very cool effect. I dislike the
> "buzz" on rollover sound. I think that's the stock light-saber-y sound.
> Something more muted - or *something* could be done with that sound. You
> might consider *adding* a sound to the buttons on "select a client"
though.
>
> Love the 3-rendered logo of the penguin. I'm going to *guess* that that
> was done in Illustrator or Freehand with Vector effects (though I
> suppose it could be any 3-D Program) - it's a nice look, anyway. Good
> differentiation from the ebizsolutions logo (the blue/orange/black/white
one).
>
> Size - it seems like this cries for this *not* to be in frames. You
> could pull it off as a single page with the margins set to zero. Set the
> width to 100% and height of the flash file to, say, 60% and you might be
> able to pull it off without frames
>
> Transitions are a little choppy. The button animation is interfering
> with the fades and transitions. You might try tweaking the framerate a
bit.
>
> Otherwise, great stuff gentlemen. :-)
>
> System tested on: Nav 4.73/Mac - PowerMac 266MHz.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:09:02 -0700
>    From: "Michael DeVicariis" <webtemp@...>
> Subject: RE: MySQL goes GPL; SQL Server gets new "you get more, you pay
more" model
>
> >what do folks think of the new server pricing strategies from MS?
>
> I think that Microsoft is trying to compete with Oracle and Sybase, not
with
> MySQL.  MySQL is a public domain database that works in many situations.
It
> is very fast and is the best solution in many instances considering the
> cost.  MS SQL Server, Oracle, and Sybase are better for doing many joins.
> What does this mean for web developers?  MySQL is probably the right
choice
> in most projects.  It will also help us in keeping the cost down.
>
>
>
> Michael DeVicariis
> Web Administrator/Developer
> Programmer/Analyst
> UCSD Auxiliary & Plant Services
> (858) 534-0700
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:26 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Review Request
>
> >P.S. A big thanks to Paulo! Your feedback has been very helpful. You da
man.
> ==========================
>
> no prob, anytime. great work on the site.
>
> did you guys do that inhouse?
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:38:49 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> At 06:29 AM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jim McArthur wrote:
> > > Anyone that get's a chance, go check out:
> > >
> > > http://www.penguininteractive.com
> > >
>
> This site is very beautiful!!  I would comment, however, that the way I
> read it, I had the latest version of flash, so I should enter the "high
> bandwidth" area... and I did, even though I am on an old 33.6 modem, and
> know that does not qualify as "high bandwidth".  I soon got very
> frustrated.  I'm not sure exactly who your audience is. Do they know what
> "high bandwidth" is?
>
> The button sounds are a cool idea (but like Joe, I found the sound
> irritating)  then, when I clicked and nothing happened, I thought it
wasn't
> working... so I went to get coffee, then came back and saw that something
> did indeed come up.  very cool stuff, but again, the bandwidth thing.  It
> took a full 13 seconds to load the description boxes after clicking
> "Services" "Portfolio" "About" etc.
>
> I did get an "error on line 12: javascript version undefined" when I went
> to a case study from the portfolio section.  It didn't stop the window
from
> opening, but when I said I didn't want to de-bug, it closed the
> window...  I am using IE 5
>
> Sites like this make me wish I had a faster modem, or DSL or something!!
I
> like the concept, colors, pics, etc.
>
> Has anyone done any market research on things like how many people have
> high bandwidth connections?   I personally know a lot of people that
don't,
> myself included.  I can't get cable where I am right now, and don't really
> want to spend the money anyway--  then again, perhaps a user like me is
not
> really your target audience....
> --Jenn
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:56:13 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> >Has anyone done any market research on things like how many people have
> >high bandwidth connections?   I personally know a lot of people that
don't,
> >myself included.  I can't get cable where I am right now, and don't
really
> >want to spend the money anyway--  then again, perhaps a user like me is
not
> >really your target audience....
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> there are few people who have broadband connections. the last number
> i remember was ~5-7% (don't quote me on that, i don't have time to
> research it at the moment).
>
> the flash version works because their target audience is/will be on a
> broadband connection when they see the site. and the html only
> version is available so the didn't leave everyone out ;-)
>
> k. back to work
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:55:16 -0700
>    From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Review Request
>
> Yup.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: P. Elias [mailto:pelias@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:40 AM
> To: websandiego@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Site Review Request
>
>
> >P.S. A big thanks to Paulo! Your feedback has been very helpful. You da
> man.
> ==========================
>
> no prob, anytime. great work on the site.
>
> did you guys do that inhouse?
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:19:39 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Another Jamaican website developer asks for help.....
>
>
> > > Did you look at my website? It would be good to get
> > > feedback. I find it takes a long time to download on some
> > > computers and on some it comes out totally wrong and none of
> > > the links work. http://www.visionarycomputing.com
> > > <snip>
>
>
> I am assuming this is a first effort, and congrats! I  know how hard it
> is....  I would caution you, however, from using too many "cute" graphic
> tricks.  I know its cool that you can make a little bear run across the
> bottom of the screen, however, you always need to ask yourself, "Does this
> do anything to advance my message to the user?"   I would critically ask
> that question throughout your site...  I personally hate frames... I don't
> feel they add much to the overall usability of any site (that I've seen so
> far!)
>
> The blue background of the frames is a bit distracting, and the graphics
> are not transparent.  Also, your company logo should be bigger, as who you
> are gets lost in and amongst the other information.
>
> Packages section (not sure if this word "packages" is a regional
> term...  should it be "customized software packages" Within that section,
> I would have short descriptions like "Underwriter 9- software for general
> insurance agents" , make the text bigger, and have the graphics clickable
> to get more info on the actual product, like features and ordering
information.
>
> Products section... I couldn't get any of the sections:  Printers,
> Scanners, Cables, etc to load up. I am not sure what is supposed to come
up
> with the exception of the "work area,"  which I didn't understand.  You
> have a lot of product to cover.  Check out this site, they recently added
> the online shopping cart section (which I've not used). The site is not
> really pretty, but it conveys information and it is easy to use.
> Specifically, when you click on an product area, you get only a list of
the
> products, then, if you want to see the particular product, it links to the
> detail info.  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/
> You could at the very least, create an online form for email orders, or a
> printable order form that folks could fax to you.
>
> Best of luck!
> --Jenn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:30:38 -0700
>    From: Jennifer Simpson <jenn01@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
>
> ><snip>
> >the flash version works because their target audience is/will be on a
> >broadband connection when they see the site. and the html only
> >version is available so the didn't leave everyone out ;-)
> </snip>
>
> Yes, I agree, but I was playing dumb blond, and by reading the tag line:
> "If you can see the northern lights above, you have the latest version of
> flash and may enter the high bandwidth version by clicking on the link
below"
>
> I did also enter the html version, and got all the information I
> needed....    however, the decision makers (the one's who write the
checks)
> may not necessarily know much about the technology that they are "buying"
>
> --Jenn
>
> PS: thanks for the stats (even if they weren't totally
> accurate).  Designers/Developers should be more aware of that!  IMHO while
> all that "flashy" stuff is pretty cool, it doesn't necessarily add to the
> content, or help get the message out... or make the site more usable. I
> hate that all the new software, websites, etc  that are out there are
> trying to force me into buying more and more expensive equipment every
> couple of days just to keep up!  :-)
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:38:28 -0000
>    From: jje92@...
> Subject: Zaplet technology
>
> I've recently discovered a communications tool which I think has
> enormous potential in the Java arena--Zaplets (which were mentioned
> in Bill Joy's keynote at JavaOne). Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
>
> www.zaplet.com
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:06 -0000
>    From: "Jamie Garff" <Jamie.Garff@...>
> Subject: Contracts and Legalese
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> Does anyone know of any great links/resources for finding good
> project agreements and other contracts(subcontractor agreements,
> consulting contracts, etc.) specifically related to web development?
> Our current versions of these documents could really use some
> revisions.
>
> Thanks,
> Jamie
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:00:28 -0700
>    From: Steve Kapali <skapali@...>
> Subject: RE: Zaplet technology
>
> I tried it  - very cool stuff. They say that it even works in yahoo mail
and
> hotmail. The poll zaplet is pretty fun.
>
> steve kapali
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jje92@...
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
> >
> > Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> > email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> > that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> > inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> > automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> > Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> > a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
> >
> > www.zaplet.com
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:31:10 -0700
>    From: "P. Elias" <pelias@...>
> Subject: Re: Penguin Interactive Site Review
>
> >I did also enter the html version, and got all the information I
> >needed....    however, the decision makers (the one's who write the
checks)
> >may not necessarily know much about the technology that they are "buying"
>
> very true... it is the job of the rep from the company to educate the
> client and provide enough information so the client can make the best
> decision possible... but this can lead to discussion of biz ethics
> and all that fun stuff
>
> >PS: thanks for the stats (even if they weren't totally
> >accurate).  Designers/Developers should be more aware of that!  IMHO
while
> >all that "flashy" stuff is pretty cool, it doesn't necessarily add to the
> >content, or help get the message out... or make the site more usable. I
> >hate that all the new software, websites, etc  that are out there are
> >trying to force me into buying more and more expensive equipment every
> >couple of days just to keep up!  :-)
>
> no prob at all. designing for the web takes more than meets the eye.
> any designer can open photoshop and come up with pretty pictures. web
> designers need to understand informations design, interaction/sensory
> design, UI design, and they should even know browser differences, at
> least how html works, and banwidth constraints.
>
> the web allows access to information. too many sites forget that.
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias | http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign | 858 467 0201
> _____________________
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:23:41 -0700
>    From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> "Hi guys...take a look at the flash stuff we did for the site.... "
> http://www.penguininteractive.com
>
> ......................................
>
> This site is very, very nice, (muy bonita) I like how you set up the sub
> category navigation bar from main bar ........... great job!
>
> ?? - does anyone know of a online class or good tutorial book on
> Intermediate Flash?
>
> I know how to set up single Flash movies, but need to learn how to piece
> together an
> entire interactive web site
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 16
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:19:09 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eileen Ensign wrote:
> > ?? - does anyone know of a online class or good tutorial book on
> > Intermediate Flash?
> >
> > I know how to set up single Flash movies, but need to learn how to piece
> > together an entire interactive web site
>
> search the archives of the list for some of that stuff (check the footer
> of the http://websandiego.org site) for flash and tutorial [at least I
> think that'll work] ... maybe "learning flash" would work.
>
> You might take a shot of the freebie classes here:
>
http://www.ncc.sdccd.cc.ca.us/ce-grid/gen-bit/bit/north-cc/descrip7.html#116
>
> Other than that, my successes in Flash were always based on
> experimentation. Most of the tutorials that came with the software taught
> you a great deal, very fast.
>
> Good luck,
> Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:41:31 -0700
>    From: "Jim McArthur" <jim@...>
> Subject: RE: Zaplet technology
>
> Yeah, that thing is pretty cool...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Kapali [mailto:skapali@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:00 PM
> To: 'websandiego@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
>
>
> I tried it  - very cool stuff. They say that it even works in yahoo mail
and
> hotmail. The poll zaplet is pretty fun.
>
> steve kapali
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jje92@...
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:38 AM
> > Subject: [websandiego] Zaplet technology
> >
> > Pretty amazing stuff...a whole new
> > email platform. These Zaplets are interactive and collaborative, so
> > that everyone who recieves one can respond to it and keep it in their
> > inbox and watch all the other recipients' responses update
> > automatically within the one Zaplet. They've got Discussion, Poll,
> > Schedule, Invitation, Picture, and Table Zaplets--I tried one out on
> > a group of friends and the reaction was dynamite. Check it out at
> >
> > www.zaplet.com
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:27:35 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
>
> Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> causing errors?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:47:18 -0700
>    From: Laurie Marrelli <laurie@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> Checked in on my Mac in N4 and IE5, no errors. Although, on IE5 there
> was a lot of images jumping left and right - while it loaded. Nice
> design and good icons!
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
> >http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> >Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> >causing errors?
> >
> >Thanks so much!
> >
> --
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<LAMA Design>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>              Making Ideas Fly
>       619-275-1239
> Graphic Design, New Media, Art Direction
>          http://www.lamadesign.com
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
>    From: Joe Crawford <joe@...>
> Subject: Re: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, lori biggs wrote:
> > http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> > Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> > causing errors?
> >
> > Thanks so much!
>
> No errors in - er - 4.6 Netscape, but mega errors in IE5 (both Windows).
>
> Line 504? Object does not support method.
>
> Once again, included .js files are hard to troubleshoot.
>
> It fails a few times, then works.
>
> - Joe
> --
> Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
>                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
>                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
> dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:55:30 -0700
>    From: Eileen Ensign <eileenensign@...>
> Subject: Re: flash site
>
> Joe Crawford wrote:
> search the archives of the list for some of that stuff (check the footer
> of the http://websandiego.org site) for flash and tutorial [at least I
> think that'll work] ... maybe "learning flash" would work.
>
> You might take a shot of the freebie classes here:
>
http://www.ncc.sdccd.cc.ca.us/ce-grid/gen-bit/bit/north-cc/descrip7.html#116
>
> .......................
>
> Thanks a lot Joe, looked at both of these links and think something in
> here should work for me!
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:04:40 -0700
>    From: "Janece Clement" <janece@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Hey Lori - I don't know if you've already made changes to the site after
the
> post below from Laurie and then Joe.. but I didn't get any errors here on
IE
> 5.
>
> ~Janece
>
> :::::: E L E C T R O G L Y P H
> :::::: 3625 Kingsley Street  San Diego CA  92106
> :::::: web. http://www.electroglyph.com
> :::::: ph. 619.223.0370  fax. 619.223.0481
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurie Marrelli [mailto:laurie@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:47 PM
> To: websandiego@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [websandiego] Site Check, Please :-)
>
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> Checked in on my Mac in N4 and IE5, no errors. Although, on IE5 there
> was a lot of images jumping left and right - while it loaded. Nice
> design and good icons!
>
>
> Laurie
>
>
> >http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
> >
> >Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> >causing errors?
> >
> >Thanks so much!
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:50:04 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Site check, please :-)
>
> http://lori.ddstech.net/SGPA/site/index.asp
>
> Can someone please go to the above URL and tell me if the mouseovers are
> causing errors?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 24
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:11:24 -0700
>    From: "Oberster, Bonnie L." <boberster@...>
> Subject: RE: Site Check, Please :-)
>
> Just barely works in I.E. 5 on Windows.  The main thing that I noticed
from
> your code, is that you are not preloading your images.  Even after the
page
> said that it was done loading, everytime that I moused over an image, it
> started downloading again.
>
> I think that if you set up a table to preload your images, that it will
help
> a lot with images jumping around all over the place.  I also noticed that
> some of your images are interlaced and others are not, gives a weird
effect.
>
> The layout is nice, and the double image swap mouseover would definitely
> work with some cleaner code.  This code has popped up on this list several
> times, but I cannot find my reference to it at the moment.
>
> Can someone else provide a link to a good example of the double image swap
> mouse-over.  I know that Tim Wayne and I have done this one to death, but
I
> can't find it.  I think Nestor has it too!
>
> Bonnie Oberster
> Distribution Analyst
> Electric Reliability Improvement
> SDGE-Sempra Energy
>
> mailto:BOberster@...
> mailto:designer@...
> http://www.matchbookart.com
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:06:17 -0700
>    From: "lori biggs" <lori@...>
> Subject: Woops!
>
> Sorry for the double post on the site check, everyone.  I have FREAKY
email
> today!  Is it Friday yet?
>
> : L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
> : Production Manager
> : DDS Technologies
>
> : <http://www.ddstech.net>
>
> : Phone - 619-421-2107
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>





# WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
# email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
# San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
# who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/

><> From: Keith Lee [mailto:cmarvel@...]
><>     I recently removed a sticker from the plastic case of
><> my new monitor and
><> found that some of the sticker's spirit gum/glue still
><> remained on the case.
><> Does anyone know of a good glue remover/solvent that will
><> remove the glue
><> from the plastic without removing the paint?
><>     Thanks for any information.

WD40 or a similar silicon based spray lubricant works great.  I just used my
WonderMist on my monitor last night to remove that icky stuff left over from
one of those stick-on copy holders.


Bonnie Oberster
Distribution Analyst
Electric Reliability Improvement
SDGE-Sempra Energy

mailto:BOberster@...
mailto:designer@...
http://www.matchbookart.com

Try Goo Gone.  It shouldn't hurt the plastic any - but don't quote me on
that, read the directions first.  You can buy it pretty much anywhere -
grocery store, drug store, etc.

-Lori


<snip>
All:
     I recently removed a sticker from the plastic case of my new monitor and
found that some of the sticker's spirit gum/glue still remained on the case.
Does anyone know of a good glue remover/solvent that will remove the glue
from the plastic without removing the paint?
     Thanks for any information.

Sincerly,
Keith Lee
cmarvel@...
http://members.cts.com/crash/c/cmarvel

</snip>

Hey Everybody.

I'm about to start learning to program in Visual Basic, but have yet
to lay hands on the software itself. Being new to programming, I'm
keen to find out what the differences are between the Professional
and Enterprise editions?

I want to make sure that I'm spending money on the right tool for my
situation. I have been developing sites for a while now and am
looking to further my cause through programming.

I'm assuming that at the very least I should be looking at getting
the Professional edition. Am I right?

I'd appreciate any comments, either on list or off.

Thanks

Tabby

** Tabitha Magas, Web Mage: Sombrera@... **

For an example of NOT SNIPPING replies, I shall point folks at these 2
posts.

http://www.egroups.com/message/websandiego/4273?&start=4246
http://www.egroups.com/message/websandiego/4274?&start=4246

Please be sensitive to the fact that when you don't snip replies, it's a
waste of space Each of these posts has lss than 100 lines of new content,
and probably many more hundreds of lines of replied to crud.

Also, the subject line "Digest Number XXX" s worse than useless. People's
time is very valuable, and if you have a subject line like that you're
practically asking for it to be ignored.

I'm pretty carefree when it comes to policing this stuff, but replying to
the whole digest and QUOTING the whole digest earns you much bad karma in
the circle of life.

	 - Joe "The nag/List Dad" Crawford
--
Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/

Another option would be to join the MS developer network.  You get all
their apps for around $2,000 a year.  You also get access to their
knowledge base.

I know nothing about VB itself.  But the full developer studio is part
of the dev net.

-JohnV.

Hi all,

Apologies if this is a double post. The first time I posted doesn't
appear to have come up, so I try once more.

Today's question is what is the difference between the Professional
and Enterprise editions of Visual Basic 6?  (what is the difference
between the professional & Enterprise editions of *any* software?, Is
one used in a totally different environment?)

I'm about to embark on a steep learning curve as novice programmer,
from 4 years in web development(onward and upward).

I don't yet have VB software, but I want to make sure I'm using the
correct tool for the job. I'm assuming that at the very least I
should
get the Professional edition. Am I right?

I would appreciate your thoughts, on or off the list.

Thanks,

Tabby

** Tabitha Magas, Web Mage: Sombrera@... **

All:
     I accidently discovered what takes glue off a computer monitor without
taking off the paint.  It is that miracle cure -- 409!  Thanks anyway.

Sincerly,
Keith Lee
cmarvel@...
http://members.cts.com/crash/c/cmarvel

I just wanted to let everyone know that I just turned down a contract with
SDG&E to continue doing work that has nothing to do with the web, for less
money than I am getting paid as a temp, and with next to no benefits.

So after tomorrow, I will be posting to the list from my home office, and
seriously seeking Freelance work in the internet industry.

I have been wanting to do this for a long time, but things were always too
cushy to make the big jump.  Well, the cushy just got rough enough to take
the leap!

All condolences, congratulations, and freelance jobs offers will be taken
into serious consideration.  Ask me if I still have my pride in about a
month!

Bonnie Oberster
Distribution Analyst
Electric Reliability Improvement
SDGE-Sempra Energy

mailto:BOberster@...
mailto:designer@...
http://www.matchbookart.com

I guess this is kind of obvious but have you considered going to their
website and reading/watching their company profile?

It comes on strong and they are up front about wanting only the best
working for them. It does stretch the imagination to accept that there
are only 40 (now and 80 later) of the best of the best. I should imagine
that their approach works for those people who are easily manipulated
through insults to their egos and still have something to prove in this
lifetime.

I think if I were going in to an interview with these guys I would be
inclined to challenge them to put up or shut up.

Anyone can make a Flash animation bragging about how good they are but
it does seem "interesting" that a group of professionals like
websandiego has would not have heard of a company that claims to be one
of the most successful web building companies in the country.

Just my $0.02 worth

Rick
rcarlson@...



"P. Elias" wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about z57.com?
>
> a buddy of mine is interviewing with them tomorrow and asked me about
> them. I couldn't give him any answers 'cause I don't know anyone who
> works there...
>
> e-mail me off list if ya can help
> --
> _____________________
>
> paulo elias     |       http://eliasdesign.com
> web solutions specialist    pelias@...
> eliasDesign     |       858 467 0201
>                         _____________________
>
> # WebSanDiego is an     WebSanDiego: http://websandiego.org/
> # email list for        Add-a-link: http://websandiego.org/links/
> # San Diegans & others  Other Groups: http://websandiego.org/otherlinks/
> # who work the Web.     Lunchtime!: http://websandiego.org/lunchtime/

Tabby,

A VB programmer here told me that if I had the Office 97 professional
edition, then I had everything that I would need to develop VB on that CD.
If you don't have that, then I would recommend the professional edition.
Enterprise refers to a network sharable software and may not have all the
bells and whistles of the professional edition.

Bonnie Oberster
Distribution Analyst
Electric Reliability Improvement
SDGE-Sempra Energy

mailto:BOberster@...
mailto:designer@...
http://www.matchbookart.com

>I guess this is kind of obvious but have you considered going to their
>website and reading/watching their company profile?

he said he went to it. i was hoping to get a behind the scenes scoop
for him from someone who is/has been there.

>I think if I were going in to an interview with these guys I would be
>inclined to challenge them to put up or shut up.

i'll pass on that advice. he's kind of a entry level person in terms
of experience. i'm not sure if he can do that at this point in time...

>Anyone can make a Flash animation bragging about how good they are but
>it does seem "interesting" that a group of professionals like
>websandiego has would not have heard of a company that claims to be one
>of the most successful web building companies in the country.

exactly why i asked ;-). if no one has heard of the place from this
list i would be very skeptical of this place (especially after the
seeing website). who knows though... they could be cool. I'll make
sure he tells me about it after he gets out of the interview tomorrow
and post anything interesting.

>Just my $0.02 worth

muchas gracias


paulo (i can't believe i'm outta here by 5) elias

Thank you Bonnie,

All I needed was one reassurance that I'm on the right track. I'm not
sure about having the Office 97 Professional CD, but I do know of a
copy of the VB stuff available to me for $100. In which case, I shall
snap it up.

Tabby

on 6/29/00 3:50 PM, lori biggs wrote:

> I recently removed a sticker from the plastic case of my new monitor and
> found that some of the sticker's spirit gum/glue still remained on the case.
> Does anyone know of a good glue remover/solvent that will remove the glue
> from the plastic without removing the paint?

If you don't have GOO GONE or 409, try some WD-40.  Spray some on a rag, and
then rub the goo until it's gone.  Then you can clean the WD-40 off with
some soapy water and then some Windex to make it shine.

This, and other household tips can be found here:
http://www.marthastewart.com/

Tim Wayne

> let me know what you guys think....the front page (northern lights - will be
> tweaked a little to reduce size)
>
> Thanks
>
> http://www.penguininteractive.com

Beautiful work. Both the HTML version and the Flash version. Very lush,
rich, fun, etc... I could go on. But I'll get right to the nit-picks since
that's what could help you.

I noticed one useability flaw throughout the site: lack of UI feedback of
location in navigation bars and text links. For example, once someone is in
the 'Our Process' section, the nav items for 'Our Process' should 'fade out'
and become un-clickable. However, I can mouse over and watch the cool flash
effects, and and click that link again and again and reload the page over
and over. This also holds true for the text links in your popup windows. I
noticed the HTML version does it right... why not the others? Navigation
should be context-sensitive... if you can't choose it, it shouldn't be made
available.

Also, why not make your sites stretch? 640x480 really not important to you?

HTH.

____________________

David Snow
david@...

As a VB programmer (among other languages :), I would suggest you get the
Professional Edition or the Learning edition.  The enterprise is too costly
and would most likely be overkill for most of your projects even after you
start developing software for clients.  The enterprise edition is for doing
a lot of database programming and network (socket) programming.  Most of the
tools you will need, including some common database connectivity and socket
stuff, are in the Professional edition.  The enterprise edition is also for
a team of developers collaborating together on a large project.  The
learning edition comes with some books you buy (classroom in a book) but has
limited capabilities such as not being able to compile your programs or only
being able to create one form or window.



Michael DeVicariis
Web Administrator/Developer
Programmer/Analyst
UCSD Auxiliary & Plant Services
(858) 534-0700



-----Original Message-----
From: Tabitha Magas [mailto:jameson_s@...]
Being new to programming, I'm keen to find out what the differences are
between the Professional and Enterprise editions?  I want to make sure
that I'm spending money on the right tool for my situation.

Good morning, all!  I would like to let you all know of a new group here in
San Diego called Techniquelle.  We are an organization in San Diego for
creative women in technology.  We are here to support artists,
photographers, web designers, programmers, hardware and software girls and
anyone else who creatively uses technology.  We are the connection between
creativity and technology in San Diego.  You'll be seeing and hearing about
us a lot in the next few months, and we want you to be involved!  If you are
interested in joining our list and becoming active with our organization,
please visit http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Techniquelle to subscribe to
our list or feel free to contact me off-list for more detailed information.
Thanks, and have a fabulous 4th of July weekend!

: L  o  r  i   B  i  g  g  s
: Production Manager
: DDS Technologies

: <http://www.ddstech.net>

: Phone - 619-421-2107




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Websandiego,

I'm looking for some help developing a interactive website for my online gaming
guild. We're a group of folks who enjoy playing Everquest, Ultima online and
other
massively multiplayer online RPG's.  I've got quite a bit of the ground work and
planning done, but need help with the programming.  I know html, am decent at
the
graphics work, and can do ~some~ of the php stuff but the project requires more
skill than I currently have.  The site is hosted on a linux box, apache using
php/mysql.  This is a non-profit site so I can't pay the "big bucks" to get the
whole site professionally done... besides part of the reason for doing it is to
learn.  What I need is someone who is very familiar with PHP/mySQL who can work
with me, perhaps meet on a weekly basis in the San Diego area for a couple hours
and try to make some progress on the site.  Then, we could both work on the site
a
little during the week as time permits.

If any of you are willing to volunteer some time to help with this, it would be
most appreciated.  I can pay a modest amount for the weekly meetings, and would
gladly give you credit on the site for the programming help.  If you're a good
PHP/mySQL programmer who's a RPG fan, has a few cycles of "free time" and wants
to
help out with an interesting project, please contact me!

Thanks ;)

Cash Perkins

Get the line of credit BEFORE you quit the day job.

You need years of "self employment" before you can qualify for one ... even
if you have $100,000's in equity.

Oh well...

Bill

Why didn't you all post this yesterday!

Oh well!!!

Bonnie Oberster
Match Book Art Web Design
 
http://www.matchbookart.com
mailto:designer@...
 


> Subject: [websandiego] Good Advice on Financing Startups via. Home
> Equity
>
>
> Get the line of credit BEFORE you quit the day job.
>
> You need years of "self employment" before you can qualify for
> one ... even
> if you have $100,000's in equity.
>
> Oh well...
>
> Bill

I am forwarding this on behalf of my business partner.... we do databases
and one on one training, so the website is a personal endeavor of Karin's:
Thanks for any help you wonderfully wise webbies can provide!!
--Jenn


QUESTION:
>I have a form I created to submit information via email.  It works great in
>Netscape 4.7 but doesn't work in Internet Explorer 5 - any ideas.  The link
>is http://www.sandiegowriters.org/Calendar_of_Events/calendar_of_events.html
>
>Thanks,
>Karin

Jennifer Simpson wrote:
>
> I am forwarding this on behalf of my business partner.... we do databases
> and one on one training, so the website is a personal endeavor of Karin's:
> Thanks for any help you wonderfully wise webbies can provide!!
> --Jenn

Using "mailto:" protocol for an form action is a questionable way to go
about things.  As most browsers point out when you try it, it will
reveal your registered email address (though this is trivially
spoofed).

I don't see why it shouldn't work with IE 5.  It works with my copy,
though I don't use a MS mailer, so it uses my registered mailer instead
(Netscape Messenger).


A much better way to do this is to use a mailer CGI, such as formmail.
Go to a CGI resource site, such as http://www.cgi-resources.com/ or
http://www.worldwidemart.com/scripts/ and you should be able to find
several mailer CGIs.

This only works if you have access to a CGI host, of course.  Without
it, you're pretty much stuck.  I don't see anything wrong with this
form, really.

...Russ

Jennifer Simpson wrote:
> I am forwarding this on behalf of my business partner.... we do databases
> and one on one training, so the website is a personal endeavor of Karin's:
> Thanks for any help you wonderfully wise webbies can provide!!
>
> QUESTION:
> >I have a form I created to submit information via email.  It works great in
> >Netscape 4.7 but doesn't work in Internet Explorer 5 - any ideas.  The link
> >is http://www.sandiegowriters.org/Calendar_of_Events/calendar_of_events.html

I would say this - email submission is something I have never seen done
well. I personally think it's a plain Bad Idea (tm). As your partner has
found, it sometimes doesn't work, and IMO, is not worth the hassle.

A good CGI,PHP,CF,ASP,whetever solution is a thousand times more preferable.

On a Mac, in Netscape - you get this big ol' warning thing:
http://www.artlung.com/temp/email-submission-mac-ns.gif
And that's in a browser it *works* in.

I suggest seeing what CGI/server side resources exist for simple form
submission. Someone here might even make a cgi available to you if you
asked nicely. :-)

	 - Joe
--
Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Depew [mailto:mephron@...]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 11:50 AM
To: netslaves@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [netslaves] Let's Talk about Music, Dammit!


I just did it.  Because Bill Volk made me.

This is basically the 'alpha test' version.  Needs some work, some
polishing, but hey, it's a start...

"Dot-Com Paradise"
---------------------------------------
by Geoff Depew, inspired by Bill Volk and the NetSlaves
parody of "Gangsta's Paradise" by Coolio

As I drive through the Valley where I work every day
I take a look at the sky and ask why I do this anyway.
I used to have a social life and party like mad
But for some reason my life's now my office and pad
At 4:30 AM reboot the server farm
Curse Ellison's name 'cause Oracle's gotten harmed... fool
And I've been techin' and codin' so long that
Even Bill Gates thinks that my mind is gone
I'm a guy of the web, I can code for a week
But it's been three years since I got a kiss on the cheek
I ask myself why I stay here, then it enters my mind:
The stock I bought at fifty bucks is now a dollar ninety-nine!

We've been spending most our lives
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
Writing code that don't look nice
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
It's hard work and sacrifice
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
Lives in a financial vise
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise

The WSJ bitched about our stock last week
But why should we care when we know our value's weak?
I really don't care, despite what the papers say
'Cause while no one's lookin' I'm workin' on my resume
I'm not saying nothing now cause the manager's lurkin'
But thanks, Slashdot, for something to read while I'm workin'
I never wear suits, but I got t-shirts galore
So what if one of them talks about 'Ale and whores'?.. fool
'Scuse me while I code this, deadline in an hour
Then it goes live, some web-store to power
And if it breaks down, then that's just too bad
I told them that a week I'd have to have!

It's like living in a Dilbert stip
But not quite as funny
I haven't had a girlfriend
Since Nineteen Ninety Three!

We've been spending most our lives
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
We don't really socialize
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
O'Reilly thinks we're nice
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
Keeping eyes on the stock price
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise

Doin' up the graphics, codin' up the back end
Writing HTML, doin' server hackin'
Think you're most 3733t?  Think you're k-rad?
Drop into my Q3 Game and I'll school you so bad
I'm the top Quaker on the LAN, mainly because
Code and Quake are what I do, my hours off are too few
So don't complain, yeah, don't be whiny
Or else, you luser, I might have to pop a LART on your heinie!!

We've been spending most our lives
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
We're playing Quake all night
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
We've got to stay all night
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise
Overtime?  Oh, yeah, right
Living in an Dot-Com Paradise

Ah oh oh oh, oh oh oh
Ah oh oh oh, oh oh YECCH!

"Oberster, Bonnie L." wrote:
> I have been wanting to do this for a long time, but things were always too
> cushy to make the big jump.  Well, the cushy just got rough enough to take
> the leap!
>
> All condolences, congratulations, and freelance jobs offers will be taken
> into serious consideration.  Ask me if I still have my pride in about a
> month!

I say, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Why on earth should you lose
your pride if you fail at something? Failures are *lessons learned* .. I
know that I have learned much more from failure (having gaping broken
links on pages, broken CGIs, awful javascript, overestimating what I
know, etc) than I have from success.

The fact is, all life is a risk, and I wish you only the best in your
venture Bonnie.

On another friend of WebSanDiego (sponsor of the last Lunchtime) Penguin
http://www.penguininteractive.com/ is branching out from their ASP stuff
to take on more web dev projects - and I wish them only the best.

And speaking of taking risks - Techniquelle is a very cool idea. It was
spawned from WebGrrls San Diego and is forging into the wilderness with
much promise. http://www.egroups.com/group/Techniquelle
(www.techniquelle.com coming in the near future I believe).

So Best wishes to all making changes and taking on new ventures! I
suppose the 4th of July has folks thinking of making *Revolutionary*
changes for themselves. :-)

	 - Joe
--
Joe Crawford <mailto:joe@...> | web designer + developer
                     services-for-hire | http://joecrawford.com/
                         personal-site | http://www.artlung.com/
dev-mailing-list-for-san-diego-CA-USA | http://www.websandiego.org/

Joe wrote:
>So Best wishes to all making changes and taking on new ventures! I
>suppose the 4th of July has folks thinking of making *Revolutionary*
>changes for themselves. :-)

...so I'll take the liberty of saying "include me in" this group.  My
contract for full-time consulting expires today, though there will be ad hoc
part-time work from this source in the near future.  This is through the
firm of a friend of mine, doing ASP & SQL Server development for integrating
the print catalog and web site of a client of his in Florida.  The main
deliverable of mine, a browser-based integrated product merchandising
planning interface and database, was complete this week, and it remains to
be seen if his client will need more from me.  Their web sites will relaunch
later in the summer.

Meanwhile, I'm taking a couple weeks off to regroup and think through some
goals and plans, will visit family in Texas, then come back and -- yes --
look for more contract work.  Will be concentrating on mastering PHP and
revamping a personal site with it, since my orientation is more to the *nix
end of things and I especially love the open-source movement.  Though, I
suppose that that ASP will probably continue to pay the bills.

Bob Sienkiewicz