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#961 From: Donald Davis <donald_davis@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: National Geographic Traveller - Monarch Article and Lincoln Brower Blog
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See:

National Geographic Traveller Article: http://traveler.nationalgeographic.com/2009/11/feature/mexico-butterflies-text

 

 

Traveller Blog interview with Lincoln Brower: http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/intelligenttravel/2009/11/monarchs-migration-to-mexico.html


Also, updates and videos of the caterpillars sent to the International Space Station by Monarch Watch: www.monarchwatch.org/space


Don Davis
Toronto, ON


#960 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: A favorable month for a one day California Monarch meeting
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Hi, Lori:(Director of the Pacific Grove Museum)
 
Thanks for your wonderful offer of the use of your Museum Auditorium for a ONE day Monarch symposium,  Dr. Villblanca, you and I  will need to receive feedback about the Saturday, next spring 2010, which would attract and be the most convenient for the most  active Monarch people,, and I may be wrong but the since the major intent is to sort of have a "NECROPSY) for some of the of the sites impacted this year by the reduced populations,  I think we will have people anxious to speak of this season 2009 - 2010 and that might fill up the entire day!!!
So, I also guess it will depend  on when our Western Migrants are gone.
 
So, thanx Lori,  and RSVP all of you Monarch peple,
                                  Helen Johnson   
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...

The Museum would be happy to provide the space for such a one-day event. We’d have limited bandwidth on pulling together the speakers if someone else could handle that.

 

The current exhibit is up until January 9 and then the Special exhibit hall is closed to install the next exhibit. The room would be available again in February. Would such a program make sense in Feb during the Monarch season or would it be best later in the year after the data from this season has been completely collected and analyzed?

 

Lori

 

From: hjohnson1952@... [mailto:hjohnson1952@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:44 PM
To: Mia Monroe; Francis X. Villablanca; Lori Mannel; Leslie Gilson; Cynthia J brock; anne wells; Western Monarch News; David Marriott; paul cherubini; tama olver; Annie Holdren; cassie carter; marge jameson; atlatl1@...; dino labiste; chris Lange; evan oakes
Cc: Helen Johnson
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...

 

Hi, Mia Monroe:

 

I am so glad that you will be hosting Gail Morris and her husband from the Arizona Southwest Monarch group (Chris Kline) later this week at Natural Bridges, Santa Cruz, California.  They have already visited David Marriott of the Southern California "Monarch Program", and today they visited with Leslie Gilson at the Norma Gibbs Park in Huntington Beach, California

 

They are having a great vacation touring California Coastal Monarch overwintering sites, and tomorrow they are visiting Ellwood Main in Goleta(Santa Barbara), California, then they are meeting Paul Cherubini. and I guess I am next to be visited in Pacific Grove on Friday afternoon.,followed by their visit to Natural Bridges to meet you.

Your Monarch news was really interesting to hear that Monarchs are visiting Stinson Beach California again,

Is it possible that Global Warming, as predicted, may already be causing Monarchs to begiin to shift their overwintering sites North  with climate changes?

 

We really NEED a one day program for California Monarch people to share this season's information, and would January February, or March 2010, be the  months ensuring the greatest attendance, and I am willing to help finance it, and maybe Lori will allow us to use the Pacific Grove Museum Auditorium.

Need some feedback to see if this a viable plan,

                                               Helen Johnson

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:28 PM

Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...

 

we also had monarchs back to Stinson for first time in several years...will be checking the Marin sites this Friday and will send a report over weekend!

mia


#959 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Weekly Monarch Report
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Anne Wells wrote:

> Paul, I didn't realize that the Central Coast counts were/are so
> extraordinarily low.

Yes, Anne, in fact Gail & Bob Morris visited Ellwood Main yesturday
and they made this comment on another discussion list:

"The monarch numbers are shockingly lower than last
January when we visited. Unofficially the numbers look
like they are only about 30% of what we saw then."

So 30% of 25,000 would mean the population at Ellwood
Main right now is about 7,500 which would be a record low
number.

However, in some years during November the monarchs also cluster
at Ellwood Central, Ellwood West, Ellwood North or Ellwood East
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu87/4ALC/ell.jpg
So Gail & Bob are checking out those groves this morning.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

#958 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Fw: Fw: Weekly Monarch Report
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Forwarding an E-Mail from Anne Wells - Director of Development for the City of Goleta(California) (Elwwod Main) major Monarch overwintering site.
                                           Helen Johnson
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Wells
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: [western_monarchs] Fw: Weekly Monarch Report

 

Paul, I didn't realize that the Central Coast counts were/are so extraordinarily low. To my knowledge, we don't yet have counts of the sites within City of Goleta-owned property (Ellwood/Lake Los Carneros are examples). Please keep me informed of planned counts so I can update our website and let our Ellwood Main butterfly docents know.
 
Thank you, Anne
 
Anne Wells, Advance Planning Manager
City of Goleta
130 Cremona Drive, Suite B
Goleta, California 93117
ph 805.961.7557
fax 805.961.7551
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Weekly Monarch Report

Hi Monarch Community,

A new monarch season is beginning and the new monarch crew is settling into place.

For those of you I haven't yet met, my name is Jaime George, I'm a graduate student researcher at Cal Poly who is coordinating and monitoring sites in San Luis Obispo County. Also on our monarch team is field researcher, Jamie Miller, who is coordinating and monitoring sites in Monterey County.

This research is funded by Helen Johnson through the Monarch Alert Program. 
Professor Francis Villablanca from Cal Poly is joining this year, taking the position of Science Advisor.

I know I speak for Jamie and myself when I say, it has been truly amazing to see the enthusiasm that is already so deeply embedded in the communities of both counties. And we look forward to meeting other monarch lovers and providing future opportunities to get involved.

Weekly counts are now underway for both counties which include 9 sites in Monterey County and 8 sites in San Luis Obispo County. We would like to keep all of you up to date with the weekly numbers, so this is the first of many count reports. Please forward this to interested parties or send us their email address and we will add them to the list. 
Here are the latest numbers:

For Monterey County:
Pacific Grove Butterfly Sanctuary: 747 (11/11), 933 (11/17)
George Washington Park: none found (11/11 and 11/17)
Point Lobos State Park: 1 flier (11/11), 4 loners (11/17)
Palo Colorado: none found (11/11 and 11/16)
Andrew Molera State Park: 160 (11/11), 209 (11/16)
Sycamore Canyon: none found (11/11 and 11/16) 
Private Property, Big Sur: 3,513 (11/11), 3,539 (11/16)
Prewitt Creek: none found (11/11), 1 flier (11/16)
Plaskett Creek: none found (11/11), 61 (11/16)

The Monterey County surveys were done on Wednesday, November 11 and on Monday and Tuesday, November 16 and 17. On the 11th the weather was calm and cool, and the cloudy skies kept the temperature around 60F all day. At Andrew Molera State Park a Great Horned Owl was roosting in the eucalyptus next to the monarch clusters! Certainly a pleasant surprise! On the 16th and 17th the weather was beautiful! The skies were sunny and clear and the temperature stayed around 65F. Thanks to Tama for helping count at Pacific Grove this week and for helping Jamie find the clusters last week!

For San Luis Obispo County:
Morro Bay Golf Course: 1,656 (11/10)
Los Osos Monarch Lane: 61 (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Bowden Estates: 1 flier (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Cemetery: No monarchs found (11/10)
Pismo Beach State Park North Campground: 6,711 (11/15)
Halcyon Hill: 655 (11/11)
Grover Beach, Pike Street: 650 (11/11)
Oceano Campground: No monarchs found (11/11)

The San Luis Obispo surveys were done on the 10th and 11th last week and Pismo was counted on the 15th with help from Jamie (a lot of help). The weather has been little to no wind and moderate temperatures, usually around the 50's in the morning and warming up to 70's by the end of the surveys. There was a Peregrine Falcon in the Pismo Grove on Wednesday last week doing its part to keep down the pigeon population. Thank you to all of the wonderful people who came to the Pismo training session, I was so happy to see so many people eager to learn.
 
Currently, our counts include a good amount of exploration time trying to locate butterflies within the sites as well as getting population estimates. Therefore, do not fear over small numbers, there is still a long winter ahead of us!

Upcoming Opportunities:
We are always looking for volunteers to help us with weekly counts, the Thanksgiving count (coming very soon), and tagging sessions (in the near future), in both Monterey and San Luis Obispo Counties. Jamie Miller is holding a Counting Workshop on Saturday December 5, 7:30-10am at the Pacific Grove Monarch Sanctuary. Please feel free to email either myself or Jamie Miller if interested (or if you know others who are interested).

Sincerely, 
Jaime George                    and            Jamie Miller
jaime.t.george@gmail.com               calpolyio@gmail.com

A.K.A
the Jaimie's and the butterflies!




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#957 From: "Anne Wells" <awells@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:34 pm
Subject: RE: Fw: Weekly Monarch Report
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Paul, I didn't realize that the Central Coast counts were/are so extraordinarily low. To my knowledge, we don't yet have counts of the sites within City of Goleta-owned property (Ellwood/Lake Los Carneros are examples). Please keep me informed of planned counts so I can update our website and let our Ellwood Main butterfly docents know.
 
Thank you, Anne
 
Anne Wells, Advance Planning Manager
City of Goleta
130 Cremona Drive, Suite B
Goleta, California 93117
ph 805.961.7557
fax 805.961.7551
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Weekly Monarch Report

Hi Monarch Community,

A new monarch season is beginning and the new monarch crew is settling into place.

For those of you I haven't yet met, my name is Jaime George, I'm a graduate student researcher at Cal Poly who is coordinating and monitoring sites in San Luis Obispo County. Also on our monarch team is field researcher, Jamie Miller, who is coordinating and monitoring sites in Monterey County.

This research is funded by Helen Johnson through the Monarch Alert Program. 
Professor Francis Villablanca from Cal Poly is joining this year, taking the position of Science Advisor.

I know I speak for Jamie and myself when I say, it has been truly amazing to see the enthusiasm that is already so deeply embedded in the communities of both counties. And we look forward to meeting other monarch lovers and providing future opportunities to get involved.

Weekly counts are now underway for both counties which include 9 sites in Monterey County and 8 sites in San Luis Obispo County. We would like to keep all of you up to date with the weekly numbers, so this is the first of many count reports. Please forward this to interested parties or send us their email address and we will add them to the list. 
Here are the latest numbers:

For Monterey County:
Pacific Grove Butterfly Sanctuary: 747 (11/11), 933 (11/17)
George Washington Park: none found (11/11 and 11/17)
Point Lobos State Park: 1 flier (11/11), 4 loners (11/17)
Palo Colorado: none found (11/11 and 11/16)
Andrew Molera State Park: 160 (11/11), 209 (11/16)
Sycamore Canyon: none found (11/11 and 11/16) 
Private Property, Big Sur: 3,513 (11/11), 3,539 (11/16)
Prewitt Creek: none found (11/11), 1 flier (11/16)
Plaskett Creek: none found (11/11), 61 (11/16)

The Monterey County surveys were done on Wednesday, November 11 and on Monday and Tuesday, November 16 and 17. On the 11th the weather was calm and cool, and the cloudy skies kept the temperature around 60F all day. At Andrew Molera State Park a Great Horned Owl was roosting in the eucalyptus next to the monarch clusters! Certainly a pleasant surprise! On the 16th and 17th the weather was beautiful! The skies were sunny and clear and the temperature stayed around 65F. Thanks to Tama for helping count at Pacific Grove this week and for helping Jamie find the clusters last week!

For San Luis Obispo County:
Morro Bay Golf Course: 1,656 (11/10)
Los Osos Monarch Lane: 61 (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Bowden Estates: 1 flier (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Cemetery: No monarchs found (11/10)
Pismo Beach State Park North Campground: 6,711 (11/15)
Halcyon Hill: 655 (11/11)
Grover Beach, Pike Street: 650 (11/11)
Oceano Campground: No monarchs found (11/11)

The San Luis Obispo surveys were done on the 10th and 11th last week and Pismo was counted on the 15th with help from Jamie (a lot of help). The weather has been little to no wind and moderate temperatures, usually around the 50's in the morning and warming up to 70's by the end of the surveys. There was a Peregrine Falcon in the Pismo Grove on Wednesday last week doing its part to keep down the pigeon population. Thank you to all of the wonderful people who came to the Pismo training session, I was so happy to see so many people eager to learn.
 
Currently, our counts include a good amount of exploration time trying to locate butterflies within the sites as well as getting population estimates. Therefore, do not fear over small numbers, there is still a long winter ahead of us!

Upcoming Opportunities:
We are always looking for volunteers to help us with weekly counts, the Thanksgiving count (coming very soon), and tagging sessions (in the near future), in both Monterey and San Luis Obispo Counties. Jamie Miller is holding a Counting Workshop on Saturday December 5, 7:30-10am at the Pacific Grove Monarch Sanctuary. Please feel free to email either myself or Jamie Miller if interested (or if you know others who are interested).

Sincerely, 
Jaime George                    and            Jamie Miller
jaime.t.george@gmail.com               calpolyio@gmail.com

A.K.A
the Jaimie's and the butterflies!




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#956 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:39 am
Subject: Re: Weekly Monarch Report
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Thanks for the detailed report, Jamie Miller and Jaime George.
Your mid-Nov. counts suggest that 2009 will be be an all time record
low monarch population year for the central Coast.  Examples:

Pacific Grove Butterfly Sanctuary: 933; Previous Record Low:4,700
Private Property, Big Sur: 3,539; Previous Record Low: 5,333
Pismo Beach State Park:: 6,711; Previous Record Low: 15,000

Virtually all the fall migrant monarchs have already arrived
at the coast so there is no hope of the colonies further
increasing in size by more than a small amount.

At the rate the western monarchs are declining, Cal Poly will
have to discontinue monarch field research in another 10-20
years due to a lack of butterflies!

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

#955 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:51 am
Subject: Butterfly Digest
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Check out the section on "Carolina Leps" today -" Rainy Day Butterflies" in the BUTTERFLY DIGEST
 
More information and website links for the Painted Lady Caterpillars on their way to the SPACE Station.
                                                 Helen Johnson

#954 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:34 am
Subject: Fw: Weekly Monarch Report
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Forwarding the message.       
                             Helen
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Weekly Monarch Report

Hi Monarch Community,

A new monarch season is beginning and the new monarch crew is settling into place.

For those of you I haven't yet met, my name is Jaime George, I'm a graduate student researcher at Cal Poly who is coordinating and monitoring sites in San Luis Obispo County. Also on our monarch team is field researcher, Jamie Miller, who is coordinating and monitoring sites in Monterey County.

This research is funded by Helen Johnson through the Monarch Alert Program. 
Professor Francis Villablanca from Cal Poly is joining this year, taking the position of Science Advisor.

I know I speak for Jamie and myself when I say, it has been truly amazing to see the enthusiasm that is already so deeply embedded in the communities of both counties. And we look forward to meeting other monarch lovers and providing future opportunities to get involved.

Weekly counts are now underway for both counties which include 9 sites in Monterey County and 8 sites in San Luis Obispo County. We would like to keep all of you up to date with the weekly numbers, so this is the first of many count reports. Please forward this to interested parties or send us their email address and we will add them to the list. 
Here are the latest numbers:

For Monterey County:
Pacific Grove Butterfly Sanctuary: 747 (11/11), 933 (11/17)
George Washington Park: none found (11/11 and 11/17)
Point Lobos State Park: 1 flier (11/11), 4 loners (11/17)
Palo Colorado: none found (11/11 and 11/16)
Andrew Molera State Park: 160 (11/11), 209 (11/16)
Sycamore Canyon: none found (11/11 and 11/16) 
Private Property, Big Sur: 3,513 (11/11), 3,539 (11/16)
Prewitt Creek: none found (11/11), 1 flier (11/16)
Plaskett Creek: none found (11/11), 61 (11/16)

The Monterey County surveys were done on Wednesday, November 11 and on Monday and Tuesday, November 16 and 17. On the 11th the weather was calm and cool, and the cloudy skies kept the temperature around 60F all day. At Andrew Molera State Park a Great Horned Owl was roosting in the eucalyptus next to the monarch clusters! Certainly a pleasant surprise! On the 16th and 17th the weather was beautiful! The skies were sunny and clear and the temperature stayed around 65F. Thanks to Tama for helping count at Pacific Grove this week and for helping Jamie find the clusters last week!

For San Luis Obispo County:
Morro Bay Golf Course: 1,656 (11/10)
Los Osos Monarch Lane: 61 (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Bowden Estates: 1 flier (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Cemetery: No monarchs found (11/10)
Pismo Beach State Park North Campground: 6,711 (11/15)
Halcyon Hill: 655 (11/11)
Grover Beach, Pike Street: 650 (11/11)
Oceano Campground: No monarchs found (11/11)

The San Luis Obispo surveys were done on the 10th and 11th last week and Pismo was counted on the 15th with help from Jamie (a lot of help). The weather has been little to no wind and moderate temperatures, usually around the 50's in the morning and warming up to 70's by the end of the surveys. There was a Peregrine Falcon in the Pismo Grove on Wednesday last week doing its part to keep down the pigeon population. Thank you to all of the wonderful people who came to the Pismo training session, I was so happy to see so many people eager to learn.
 
Currently, our counts include a good amount of exploration time trying to locate butterflies within the sites as well as getting population estimates. Therefore, do not fear over small numbers, there is still a long winter ahead of us!

Upcoming Opportunities:
We are always looking for volunteers to help us with weekly counts, the Thanksgiving count (coming very soon), and tagging sessions (in the near future), in both Monterey and San Luis Obispo Counties. Jamie Miller is holding a Counting Workshop on Saturday December 5, 7:30-10am at the Pacific Grove Monarch Sanctuary. Please feel free to email either myself or Jamie Miller if interested (or if you know others who are interested).

Sincerely, 
Jaime George                    and            Jamie Miller
jaime.t.george@...               calpolyio@...

A.K.A
the Jaimie's and the butterflies!


#953 From: Jamie Miller <jkmiller.wildlife@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Weekly Monarch Report
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jaime George <jaime.t.george@...>
Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Subject: Weekly Monarch Report


Hi Monarch Community,

A new monarch season is beginning and the new monarch crew is settling into place.

For those of you I haven't yet met, my name is Jaime George, I'm a graduate student researcher at Cal Poly who is coordinating and monitoring sites in San Luis Obispo County. Also on our monarch team is field researcher, Jamie Miller, who is coordinating and monitoring sites in Monterey County.

This research is funded by Helen Johnson through the Monarch Alert Program. 
Professor Francis Villablanca from Cal Poly is joining this year, taking the position of Science Advisor.

I know I speak for Jamie and myself when I say, it has been truly amazing to see the enthusiasm that is already so deeply embedded in the communities of both counties. And we look forward to meeting other monarch lovers and providing future opportunities to get involved.

Weekly counts are now underway for both counties which include 9 sites in Monterey County and 8 sites in San Luis Obispo County. We would like to keep all of you up to date with the weekly numbers, so this is the first of many count reports. Please forward this to interested parties or send us their email address and we will add them to the list. 
Here are the latest numbers:

For Monterey County:
Pacific Grove Butterfly Sanctuary: 747 (11/11), 933 (11/17)
George Washington Park: none found (11/11 and 11/17)
Point Lobos State Park: 1 flier (11/11), 4 loners (11/17)
Palo Colorado: none found (11/11 and 11/16)
Andrew Molera State Park: 160 (11/11), 209 (11/16)
Sycamore Canyon: none found (11/11 and 11/16) 
Private Property, Big Sur: 3,513 (11/11), 3,539 (11/16)
Prewitt Creek: none found (11/11), 1 flier (11/16)
Plaskett Creek: none found (11/11), 61 (11/16)

The Monterey County surveys were done on Wednesday, November 11 and on Monday and Tuesday, November 16 and 17. On the 11th the weather was calm and cool, and the cloudy skies kept the temperature around 60F all day. At Andrew Molera State Park a Great Horned Owl was roosting in the eucalyptus next to the monarch clusters! Certainly a pleasant surprise! On the 16th and 17th the weather was beautiful! The skies were sunny and clear and the temperature stayed around 65F. Thanks to Tama for helping count at Pacific Grove this week and for helping Jamie find the clusters last week!

For San Luis Obispo County:
Morro Bay Golf Course: 1,656 (11/10)
Los Osos Monarch Lane: 61 (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Bowden Estates: 1 flier (11/10)
San Luis Obispo Cemetery: No monarchs found (11/10)
Pismo Beach State Park North Campground: 6,711 (11/15)
Halcyon Hill: 655 (11/11)
Grover Beach, Pike Street: 650 (11/11)
Oceano Campground: No monarchs found (11/11)

The San Luis Obispo surveys were done on the 10th and 11th last week and Pismo was counted on the 15th with help from Jamie (a lot of help). The weather has been little to no wind and moderate temperatures, usually around the 50's in the morning and warming up to 70's by the end of the surveys. There was a Peregrine Falcon in the Pismo Grove on Wednesday last week doing its part to keep down the pigeon population. Thank you to all of the wonderful people who came to the Pismo training session, I was so happy to see so many people eager to learn.
 
Currently, our counts include a good amount of exploration time trying to locate butterflies within the sites as well as getting population estimates. Therefore, do not fear over small numbers, there is still a long winter ahead of us!

Upcoming Opportunities:
We are always looking for volunteers to help us with weekly counts, the Thanksgiving count (coming very soon), and tagging sessions (in the near future), in both Monterey and San Luis Obispo Counties. Jamie Miller is holding a Counting Workshop on Saturday December 5, 7:30-10am at the Pacific Grove Monarch Sanctuary. Please feel free to email either myself or Jamie Miller if interested (or if you know others who are interested).

Sincerely, 
Jaime George                    and            Jamie Miller
jaime.t.george@...               calpolyio@...

A.K.A
the Jaimie's and the butterflies!


#952 From: muirmia@...
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:37 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...
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I hope Gail has been able to make connections with Martha Nitzberg to join the Natural Bridges docents for their count...if not, could you let me know?

More on your good ideas later.

mia

#951 From: "MaryAnn's Country" <maryann@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:17 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...
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Or maybe the trimmers trimmed more than they were suppose to…or don’t know how to trim to make it safe, but leave enough to accommodate the butterflies, which is possible to do.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:14 PM
To: western_monarchs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...

 

 

George McRae wrote:

> Extremely disturbing of course. Do you have contacts with
> press who can push this?

No George. But before contacting the press I would be interested
in learning about the City's side of the story; i.e. why
weren't City officials aware that pruning the eucalyptus branches
could potentially have a devastating impact on the size of the
butterfly population occupying the Monarch Grove Sanctuary?

The City might have a completely legitimate alibi; e.g.
maybe the City's monarch consultant gave his OK to the
pruning. Or maybe the City's monarch consultant never
emphasized to them that the eucalyptus branches
were critically important. Or, considering the City probably
had to pay a six figure settlement to the family of the
victum who was killed by a falling branch several years ago,
perhaps the City decided tourist safety trumps any
butterfly habitat considerations.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


#950 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:44 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...
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Hi, Mia Monroe:
 
I am so glad that you will be hosting Gail Morris and her husband from the Arizona Southwest Monarch group (Chris Kline) later this week at Natural Bridges, Santa Cruz, California.  They have already visited David Marriott of the Southern California "Monarch Program", and today they visited with Leslie Gilson at the Norma Gibbs Park in Huntington Beach, California
 
They are having a great vacation touring California Coastal Monarch overwintering sites, and tomorrow they are visiting Ellwood Main in Goleta(Santa Barbara), California, then they are meeting Paul Cherubini. and I guess I am next to be visited in Pacific Grove on Friday afternoon.,followed by their visit to Natural Bridges to meet you.
Your Monarch news was really interesting to hear that Monarchs are visiting Stinson Beach California again,
Is it possible that Global Warming, as predicted, may already be causing Monarchs to begiin to shift their overwintering sites North  with climate changes?
 
We really NEED a one day program for California Monarch people to share this season's information, and would January February, or March 2010, be the  months ensuring the greatest attendance, and I am willing to help finance it, and maybe Lori will allow us to use the Pacific Grove Museum Auditorium.
Need some feedback to see if this a viable plan,
                                               Helen Johnson
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we also had monarchs back to Stinson for first time in several years...will be checking the Marin sites this Friday and will send a report over weekend!

mia

#949 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:14 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's...
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George McRae wrote:

> Extremely disturbing of course. Do you have contacts with
> press who can push this?

No George. But before contacting the press I would be interested
in learning about the City's side of the story; i.e. why
weren't City officials aware that pruning the eucalyptus branches
could potentially have a devastating impact on the size of the
butterfly population occupying the Monarch Grove Sanctuary?

The City might have a completely legitimate alibi; e.g.
maybe the City's monarch consultant gave his OK to the
pruning.  Or maybe the City's monarch consultant never
emphasized to them that the eucalyptus branches
were critically important.  Or, considering the City probably
had to pay a six figure settlement to the family of the
victum who was killed by a falling branch several years ago,
perhaps the City decided tourist safety trumps any
butterfly habitat considerations.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

#948 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: Fw: Re: Request for a reprint of the Western Monarchs Thanksgiving Countw since 1997 - 2008
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Hi, Celia Martinez:
 
This is the reference I referred to this morning about Monarch counts in Monterey County at 10 documented overwintering sites since 1997.  The counts from 2001 were done by trained personnel from the local Monarch Alert Program.
                                                    Helen Johnson
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: Request for a reprint of the Western Monarchs Thanksgiving Counts since 1997 - 2008

 

Dear Helen and all,
The Thanksgiving count data is still on the Xerces Society's website, and will remain there indefinitely. You can view or download it by clicking on this link: http://www.xerces.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/western-monarch-thx-counts1997-2008.pdf

Best,
Sarina Jepsen

___________________________________________
The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation

The Xerces Society is an international, nonprofit
organization that protects wildlife through the
conservation of invertebrates and their habitat.
To join the Society, make a contribution, or read
about our work, please visit www.xerces.org

Sarina Jepsen
Endangered Species Coordinator
4828 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97215
tel: 503-232-6639 fax: 503-233-6794
email: sarina@xerces.org
___________________________________________


hjohnson1952@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 

Hi, Mia Monroe"
 
Since our reduced count of Monarchs present in Pacific Grove now  is creating interest outside of the Monterey Bay area, could you please ask Sara Jepson of the Xerces Society to put another copy of the Xerces Thanksgiving counts from 1997 - 2008, on the Western Monarch newletter site, which will be automatically be transmitted and printed in  the BUTTERFLY DIGEST daily news report which covers the entire United States, including the other states "West of the Rockies"..
 
 Mailing  a  44cent stamped copy of that report to every interested person inquiring is becoming too large part of my daily "other life.
 
Thanking you in advance.
                                              Helen Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Hi Helen...thanks for cautioning us...

hope everyone rec'd their count packages and are getting ready to monitor!

any chance we could receive those weekly summaries, the ones Jessica sent out last year were helpful and interesting!  would be great to learn what others up and down the coast are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Just went to the Pacific Grove Museum's website for information on upcoming Monarch Madness (to include as we promote monarch awareness and events)...saw that the simplified model of migration is still part of the monarch story and am wondering if this Museum's staff could take on maps and text to help update our new understanding of monarch movement thanks to new tag recoveries and other information?

mia



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#947 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:41 pm
Subject: Present estimated Monarch population at Ellwood Main, Goleta, as compared to last year's Thanksgiving count
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Hi, Cynthia,Chris, and Ann:
 
Just tell me that the Eucalyptus boughs at Ellwwod Main (in Santa Barbara -Goleta, California) are presently  bent over double from the weight of the returning Monarchs of the Western Migration!!!  (A WISH-TIMATION on my part)
 
In relation to last year's Thanksgiving count, how do you rate the present population for this season???
                                                 Helen Johnson

#946 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Attn> Jerry Stanley
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Hi, Jerry Stanley:
 
Thanks for sharing your current count of Monarchs at Pismo Beach now. 
That seems to be a very significant drop at that site, as compared to last year's Thanksgiving count,so I guess you are part of another site, just hoping your Monarchs are going to be a little late this season.
                                                   Helen
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

At the Pismo Monarch Grove,  our current overwintering numbers are 6,100+.
 
Jerry Stanley
Arroyo Grande



From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@saber.net>
To: Muirmia@aol.com
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Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 10:25:50 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Mia Monroe wrote:

> would be great to learn what others up and down the coast
> are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Mia, on Oct. 25 I briefly checked several major colonies from Pacific
Grove to Pismo Beach and numbers are running roughly 50-75%
lower, overall, than last year. So by comparison with other central
coast colonies, the Monarch Grove Sanctuary at Pacific Grove this fall
should have had around 5,000-7,500 monarchs by now (down from
about 15,000 last year in mid-Nov.) But it has no clusters at all
according to Marge Jameson's Nov. 13 Cedar Street Times article.
Never before in the entire history of Pacific Grove have the butterflies
failed to gather by the thousands by mid-November.

So I think we're beyond the "reserve judgement" phase and now
it's time to focus on learning the City's side of the story; i.e. why
weren't City officials aware that pruning the eucalyptus branches
could potentially have a devastating impact on the size of the
butterfly population occupying the Monarch Grove Sanctuary?

Indeed, why didn't Pacific Grove's own monarch conservationists
express concern when they heard and observed the tree service
cranes and chain saws in late Sept.?

Reporters from around the State and maybe even the Associated
Press are likely going to be asking these questions in the weeks ahead.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


#945 From: Sarina Jepsen <sarina@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Request for a reprint of the Western Monarchs Thanksgiving Countw since 1997 - 2008
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Dear Helen and all,
The Thanksgiving count data is still on the Xerces Society's website, and will remain there indefinitely. You can view or download it by clicking on this link: http://www.xerces.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/western-monarch-thx-counts1997-2008.pdf

Best,
Sarina Jepsen
___________________________________________
The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation

The Xerces Society is an international, nonprofit
organization that protects wildlife through the
conservation of invertebrates and their habitat.
To join the Society, make a contribution, or read
about our work, please visit www.xerces.org

Sarina Jepsen
Endangered Species Coordinator
4828 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97215
tel: 503-232-6639 fax: 503-233-6794
email: sarina@...
___________________________________________


hjohnson1952@... wrote:
 

Hi, Mia Monroe"
 
Since our reduced count of Monarchs present in Pacific Grove now  is creating interest outside of the Monterey Bay area, could you please ask Sara Jepson of the Xerces Society to put another copy of the Xerces Thanksgiving counts from 1997 - 2008, on the Western Monarch newletter site, which will be automatically be transmitted and printed in  the BUTTERFLY DIGEST daily news report which covers the entire United States, including the other states "West of the Rockies"..
 
 Mailing  a  44cent stamped copy of that report to every interested person inquiring is becoming too large part of my daily "other life.
 
Thanking you in advance.
                                              Helen Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Hi Helen...thanks for cautioning us...

hope everyone rec'd their count packages and are getting ready to monitor!

any chance we could receive those weekly summaries, the ones Jessica sent out last year were helpful and interesting!  would be great to learn what others up and down the coast are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Just went to the Pacific Grove Museum's website for information on upcoming Monarch Madness (to include as we promote monarch awareness and events)...saw that the simplified model of migration is still part of the monarch story and am wondering if this Museum's staff could take on maps and text to help update our new understanding of monarch movement thanks to new tag recoveries and other information?

mia



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#944 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Request for a reprint of the Western Monarchs Thanksgiving Countw since 1997 - 2008
hjohnson1952@...
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Hi, Mia Monroe"
 
Since our reduced count of Monarchs present in Pacific Grove now  is creating interest outside of the Monterey Bay area, could you please ask Sara Jepson of the Xerces Society to put another copy of the Xerces Thanksgiving counts from 1997 - 2008, on the Western Monarch newletter site, which will be automatically be transmitted and printed in  the BUTTERFLY DIGEST daily news report which covers the entire United States, including the other states "West of the Rockies"..
 
 Mailing  a  44cent stamped copy of that report to every interested person inquiring is becoming too large part of my daily "other life.
 
Thanking you in advance.
                                              Helen Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Hi Helen...thanks for cautioning us...

hope everyone rec'd their count packages and are getting ready to monitor!

any chance we could receive those weekly summaries, the ones Jessica sent out last year were helpful and interesting!  would be great to learn what others up and down the coast are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Just went to the Pacific Grove Museum's website for information on upcoming Monarch Madness (to include as we promote monarch awareness and events)...saw that the simplified model of migration is still part of the monarch story and am wondering if this Museum's staff could take on maps and text to help update our new understanding of monarch movement thanks to new tag recoveries and other information?

mia


#943 From: elegans@...
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:24 pm
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Paul,
 
Extremely disturbing of course. Do you have contacts with press who can push this?
 
George McRae

#942 From: Jerry Stanley <jerry_stanley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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At the Pismo Monarch Grove,  our current overwintering numbers are 6,100+.
 
Jerry Stanley
Arroyo Grande



From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
To: Muirmia@...
Cc: hjohnson1952@...; western_monarchs@yahoogroups.com; Southwest_Monarchs@yahoogroups.com; fvillabl@...; mannel@...; cedarstreettimes@...; holdren@...; cur8or@...; lesliegilson@...; edith@...; MonarchPrg@...; tamaolver@...; jbeigle@...
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 10:25:50 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Mia Monroe wrote:

> would be great to learn what others up and down the coast
> are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Mia, on Oct. 25 I briefly checked several major colonies from Pacific
Grove to Pismo Beach and numbers are running roughly 50-75%
lower, overall, than last year. So by comparison with other central
coast colonies, the Monarch Grove Sanctuary at Pacific Grove this fall
should have had around 5,000-7,500 monarchs by now (down from
about 15,000 last year in mid-Nov.) But it has no clusters at all
according to Marge Jameson's Nov. 13 Cedar Street Times article.
Never before in the entire history of Pacific Grove have the butterflies
failed to gather by the thousands by mid-November.

So I think we're beyond the "reserve judgement" phase and now
it's time to focus on learning the City's side of the story; i.e. why
weren't City officials aware that pruning the eucalyptus branches
could potentially have a devastating impact on the size of the
butterfly population occupying the Monarch Grove Sanctuary?

Indeed, why didn't Pacific Grove's own monarch conservationists
express concern when they heard and observed the tree service
cranes and chain saws in late Sept.?

Reporters from around the State and maybe even the Associated
Press are likely going to be asking these questions in the weeks ahead.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


#941 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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Mia Monroe wrote:

> would be great to learn what others up and down the coast
> are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Mia, on Oct. 25 I briefly checked several major colonies from Pacific
Grove to Pismo Beach and numbers are running roughly 50-75%
lower, overall, than last year.  So by comparison with other central
coast colonies, the Monarch Grove Sanctuary at Pacific Grove this fall
should have had around 5,000-7,500 monarchs by now (down from
about 15,000 last year in mid-Nov.) But it has no clusters at all
according to Marge Jameson's Nov. 13 Cedar Street Times article.
Never before in the entire history of Pacific Grove have the butterflies
failed to gather by the thousands by mid-November.

So I think we're beyond the "reserve judgement" phase and now
it's time to focus on learning the City's side of the story; i.e. why
weren't City officials aware that pruning the eucalyptus branches
could potentially have a devastating impact on the size of the
butterfly population occupying the Monarch Grove Sanctuary?

Indeed, why didn't Pacific Grove's own monarch conservationists
express concern when they heard and observed the tree service
cranes and chain saws in late Sept.?

Reporters from around the State and maybe even the Associated
Press are likely going to be asking these questions in the weeks ahead.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

#940 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:09 pm
Subject: Fw: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

Hi, Mia Monroe:
 
So glad to hear from you and thanks for your concern, as these are pretty unbelievable upsetting times for Monarch Alert  and Pacific Grove while we "wait and see" (before doing our "Necropsy") what happens by Thanksgiving.
As you can see from my previous E-Mail, even if  the worst scenario  becomes fact, it is not a matter of finger pointing at Pacific Grove's City Public Works Dept.
 
As you may know, Dr, Francis Villablanca of Cal Poly is our new Scientific adviser, and we are presently in the process of upgrading and expanding the entire  Monarch Alert program and NOW coping with the beginning of Season 2009-2010.
I will pass on your request about receiving weekly Monarch counts, as I certainly also find them helpful to follow along with the season..
                                           Sincerely, Helen Johnson 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Hi Helen...thanks for cautioning us...

hope everyone rec'd their count packages and are getting ready to monitor!

any chance we could receive those weekly summaries, the ones Jessica sent out last year were helpful and interesting!  would be great to learn what others up and down the coast are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Just went to the Pacific Grove Museum's website for information on upcoming Monarch Madness (to include as we promote monarch awareness and events)...saw that the simplified model of migration is still part of the monarch story and am wondering if this Museum's staff could take on maps and text to help update our new understanding of monarch movement thanks to new tag recoveries and other information?

mia


#939 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:29 pm
Subject: Fw: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

Hi, Paul Cherubini:
 
As Dr, Villablanca, the Scientific Adviser for the Monterey County Monarch Alert Program suggested, please tell the people who contact you to.reserve judgement until after Thanksgiving, in order  to see whether the migration is very late this year in arriving or if the legal, technically correct pruning done by the City Public Works Dept under the supervision of the City Arborist done at the end of September(also legal), with no pruning being allowed in the Sanctuary from October until the Monarchs leave in the Spring, may have altered the favorable qualities of the target trees which have been occupied each year by the Monarch clusters and have been monitered since year 2001.
And our 8 less significant overwintering sites  in Monterey County are still being monitered weekly and that compiled  information will be helpful to see if they also have reduced numbers as compared to previous years.
                                                       Helen
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Zierenberg Nancy wrote:

> This is horrendous! I can't get the article, but is there a way to
> respond to this asking the city to follow up with the chain sawyers
> and city council for some kind of punitive on-the-record action to
> make sure this kind of thing never happens again?? We shouldn't just
> let this slip by.

Nancy, we still don't know the City's side of the story; i.e.
whether or not the City consulted monarch specialist Stuart Weiss
prior to the pruning.

Below I have copied and pasted the Cedar Street Times article
in full so you can see read it:

WHERE ARE THE BUTTERFLIES?

"Butterfly Town, USA" has a new dilemma and may have to
start looking for a new moniker. The butterflies are MIA, and
no one knows why. It may be too early to panic, but it seems
that the Monarchs, which usually arrive sometime in October
or November, have yet to arrive in any appreciable numbers.
And some accuse the city of Pacific Grove's Public Works
department of culpability: the trees in the Sanctuary were
trimmed in September in order to "balance" them and help
ensure the safety of tourists. Many will recall that a few years
ago a branch fell on a tourist and killed her.

"We're done," said Bob Pacelli, a videographer who has filmed
the migratory insects over more than two decades. His films
about the Monarchs of Pacific Grove are used in classrooms
across the country. He points to archive films showing a canopy
of blue gum eucalyptus dripping with roosting butterflies, and
says that the protection provided by the branches against wind
and sun is gone as are the low-hanging branches on which the
butterflies cling. He fears, as do others, that if the butterflies
choose not to return this year, they may never do so.

Paul Cherubini of El Dorado is a citizen scientist and a long-time
observer of overwintering clusters in Santa Cruz and Monterey
counties, as well as other sites. He said, "after the Harbor
Blvd. overwintering site in Ventura got the "scalloped pruning"
treatment about 3 years ago . . .the butterfly population plunged
about 70 percent and the site is now just an autumnal cluster
site instead of a winter-long permanent cluster site."

But Francis Villablanca, Ph.D., a butterfly advocate who studies
the community structures of insects, isn't so sure. "We will have
data by the end of the season that will allow us to evaluate [the
situation] in a straightforward and objective manner," he said in
an email. Villablanca works at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and is vitally
interested in the data from Pacific Grove. He is the Scientific Advisor
for the Monarch Alert program. Says Villablanca: "At the current
time we do not know if the PG Sanctuary population count is low
because of something peculiar to this site (e.g.: tree trimming),
or if the populations are low range-wide and across all sites.

"Within the next few weeks, and certainly by the Thanksgiving
count we will have the data to argue for a catastrophic year
overall, or for a catastrophic tree trimming event at the
Sanctuary, or for late arrivals."He's not ready to panic, either.
"I would call for calm minds to prevail until we have some
data... the story will make itself evident."

Thanksgiving has been the benchmark count for a number of years.
Figures kept by the Xerces Society show that the lowest count was
4,700 in 2002. With the Thanksgiving count a little more than a
week away, only about 500 butterflies have been seen at any
one time in the Sanctuary.

Lori Mannel, Director of the Pacific Grove Museum of Natural
History, is also cautious about assigning blame for the low counts.
"This discussion and the conclusions being drawn are a bit premature
for me. It1s too early to tell the degree that the PG Monarch
population has declined this overwintering season. If the entire
overwintering season does exhibit reduced population numbers,
then there are multiple possible explanations (e.g., El Nino storm,
construction at neighboring Adult School, natural variance.)," she
said. "I do know that in some years Natural Bridges [an overwintering
sanctuary in Santa Cruz County] has more Monarchs and in some
years PG has more. If the Sanctuary is no longer ideal, then it
would be interesting to know why they haven't moved to George
Washington Park as they have in the past? We clearly still have
a lot to learn."

According to Pacelli, there are no large clusters of butterflies at
George Washington Park, but there have not been for a number
of years, either, he says.

At least one private property owner has contacted Cedar Street
Times to report that there are clusters on her property, but she is
reluctant to have either scientists, city officials or tourists coming
onto her property for a number of reasons, not the least of which
is liability for their safety.

Pacific Grove's sanctuary ordinance calls for city council approval
for tree trimming in the sanctuary during the overwintering season,
from October through January. The trimming was done, according
to Director of Public Works Celia Martinez, at the end of September.
"The code allows trimming for site maintenance, health, safety and
welfare," she said. The arborist, Rick Katen, monitored the trimming.
Clearly, the need for data is strong before the reasons for the
abnormal count can be learned.


#938 From: muirmia@...
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
muirmia@...
Send Email Send Email
 
Hi Helen...thanks for cautioning us...

hope everyone rec'd their count packages and are getting ready to monitor!

any chance we could receive those weekly summaries, the ones Jessica sent out last year were helpful and interesting!  would be great to learn what others up and down the coast are also noting to help develop an early picture of trends.

Just went to the Pacific Grove Museum's website for information on upcoming Monarch Madness (to include as we promote monarch awareness and events)...saw that the simplified model of migration is still part of the monarch story and am wondering if this Museum's staff could take on maps and text to help update our new understanding of monarch movement thanks to new tag recoveries and other information?

mia

#937 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:51 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
hjohnson1952@...
Send Email Send Email
 
Hi, Paul Cherubini:
 
As Dr, Villablanca, the Scientific Adviser for the Monterey County Monarch Alert Program suggested, please tell the people who contact you to.reserve judgement until after Thanksgiving, in order  to see whether the migration is very late this year in arriving or if the legal, technically correct pruning done by the City Public Works Dept under the supervision of the City Arborist done at the end of September(also legal), with no pruning being allowed in the Sanctuary from October until the Monarchs leave in the Spring, may have altered the favorable qualities of the target trees which have been occupied each year by the Monarch clusters and have been monitered since year 2001.
And our 8 less significant overwintering sites  in Monterey County are still being monitered weekly and that compiled  information will be helpful to see if they also have reduced numbers as compared to previous years.
                                                       Helen
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: [western_monarchs] Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees

 

Zierenberg Nancy wrote:

> This is horrendous! I can't get the article, but is there a way to
> respond to this asking the city to follow up with the chain sawyers
> and city council for some kind of punitive on-the-record action to
> make sure this kind of thing never happens again?? We shouldn't just
> let this slip by.

Nancy, we still don't know the City's side of the story; i.e.
whether or not the City consulted monarch specialist Stuart Weiss
prior to the pruning.

Below I have copied and pasted the Cedar Street Times article
in full so you can see read it:

WHERE ARE THE BUTTERFLIES?

"Butterfly Town, USA" has a new dilemma and may have to
start looking for a new moniker. The butterflies are MIA, and
no one knows why. It may be too early to panic, but it seems
that the Monarchs, which usually arrive sometime in October
or November, have yet to arrive in any appreciable numbers.
And some accuse the city of Pacific Grove's Public Works
department of culpability: the trees in the Sanctuary were
trimmed in September in order to "balance" them and help
ensure the safety of tourists. Many will recall that a few years
ago a branch fell on a tourist and killed her.

"We're done," said Bob Pacelli, a videographer who has filmed
the migratory insects over more than two decades. His films
about the Monarchs of Pacific Grove are used in classrooms
across the country. He points to archive films showing a canopy
of blue gum eucalyptus dripping with roosting butterflies, and
says that the protection provided by the branches against wind
and sun is gone as are the low-hanging branches on which the
butterflies cling. He fears, as do others, that if the butterflies
choose not to return this year, they may never do so.

Paul Cherubini of El Dorado is a citizen scientist and a long-time
observer of overwintering clusters in Santa Cruz and Monterey
counties, as well as other sites. He said, "after the Harbor
Blvd. overwintering site in Ventura got the "scalloped pruning"
treatment about 3 years ago . . .the butterfly population plunged
about 70 percent and the site is now just an autumnal cluster
site instead of a winter-long permanent cluster site."

But Francis Villablanca, Ph.D., a butterfly advocate who studies
the community structures of insects, isn't so sure. "We will have
data by the end of the season that will allow us to evaluate [the
situation] in a straightforward and objective manner," he said in
an email. Villablanca works at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and is vitally
interested in the data from Pacific Grove. He is the Scientific Advisor
for the Monarch Alert program. Says Villablanca: "At the current
time we do not know if the PG Sanctuary population count is low
because of something peculiar to this site (e.g.: tree trimming),
or if the populations are low range-wide and across all sites.

"Within the next few weeks, and certainly by the Thanksgiving
count we will have the data to argue for a catastrophic year
overall, or for a catastrophic tree trimming event at the
Sanctuary, or for late arrivals."He's not ready to panic, either.
"I would call for calm minds to prevail until we have some
data... the story will make itself evident."

Thanksgiving has been the benchmark count for a number of years.
Figures kept by the Xerces Society show that the lowest count was
4,700 in 2002. With the Thanksgiving count a little more than a
week away, only about 500 butterflies have been seen at any
one time in the Sanctuary.

Lori Mannel, Director of the Pacific Grove Museum of Natural
History, is also cautious about assigning blame for the low counts.
"This discussion and the conclusions being drawn are a bit premature
for me. It1s too early to tell the degree that the PG Monarch
population has declined this overwintering season. If the entire
overwintering season does exhibit reduced population numbers,
then there are multiple possible explanations (e.g., El Nino storm,
construction at neighboring Adult School, natural variance.)," she
said. "I do know that in some years Natural Bridges [an overwintering
sanctuary in Santa Cruz County] has more Monarchs and in some
years PG has more. If the Sanctuary is no longer ideal, then it
would be interesting to know why they haven't moved to George
Washington Park as they have in the past? We clearly still have
a lot to learn."

According to Pacelli, there are no large clusters of butterflies at
George Washington Park, but there have not been for a number
of years, either, he says.

At least one private property owner has contacted Cedar Street
Times to report that there are clusters on her property, but she is
reluctant to have either scientists, city officials or tourists coming
onto her property for a number of reasons, not the least of which
is liability for their safety.

Pacific Grove's sanctuary ordinance calls for city council approval
for tree trimming in the sanctuary during the overwintering season,
from October through January. The trimming was done, according
to Director of Public Works Celia Martinez, at the end of September.
"The code allows trimming for site maintenance, health, safety and
welfare," she said. The arborist, Rick Katen, monitored the trimming.
Clearly, the need for data is strong before the reasons for the
abnormal count can be learned.


#936 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:42 am
Subject: Re: [Southwest_Monarchs] Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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Zierenberg Nancy wrote:

> This is horrendous! I can't get the article, but is there a way to
> respond to this asking the city to follow up with the chain sawyers
> and city council for some kind of punitive on-the-record action to
> make sure this kind of thing never happens again?? We shouldn't just
> let this slip by.

Nancy, we still don't know the City's side of the story; i.e.
whether or not the City consulted monarch specialist Stuart Weiss
prior to the pruning.

Below I have copied and pasted the Cedar Street Times article
in full so you can see read it:

WHERE ARE THE BUTTERFLIES?

"Butterfly Town, USA" has a new dilemma and may have to
start looking for a new moniker. The butterflies are MIA, and
no one knows why. It may be too early to panic, but it seems
that the Monarchs, which usually arrive sometime in October
or November, have yet to arrive in any appreciable numbers.
And some accuse the city of Pacific Grove's Public Works
department of culpability: the trees in the Sanctuary were
trimmed in September in order to "balance" them and help
ensure the safety of tourists. Many will recall that a few years
ago a branch fell on a tourist and killed her.

"We're done," said Bob Pacelli, a videographer who has filmed
the migratory insects over more than two decades. His films
about the Monarchs of Pacific Grove are used in classrooms
across the country. He points to archive films showing a canopy
of blue gum eucalyptus dripping with roosting butterflies, and
says that the protection provided by the branches against wind
  and sun is gone as are the low-hanging branches on which the
butterflies cling. He fears, as do others, that if the butterflies
choose not to return this year, they may never do so.

Paul Cherubini of El Dorado is a citizen scientist and a long-time
observer of overwintering clusters in Santa Cruz and Monterey
counties, as well as other sites. He said, "after the Harbor
Blvd. overwintering site in Ventura got the "scalloped pruning"
treatment about 3 years ago . . .the butterfly population plunged
about 70 percent and the site is now just an autumnal cluster
site instead of a winter-long permanent cluster site."

But Francis Villablanca, Ph.D., a butterfly advocate who studies
the community structures of insects, isn't so sure. "We will have
data by the end of the season that will allow us to evaluate [the
situation] in a straightforward and objective manner," he said in
an email. Villablanca works at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and is vitally
interested in the data from Pacific Grove. He is the Scientific Advisor
for the Monarch Alert program. Says Villablanca: "At the current
time we do not know if the PG Sanctuary population count is low
because of something peculiar to this site (e.g.: tree trimming),
or if the populations are low range-wide and across all sites.

"Within the next few weeks, and certainly by the Thanksgiving
count we will have the data to argue for a catastrophic year
overall, or for a catastrophic tree trimming event at the
Sanctuary, or for late arrivals."He's not ready to panic, either.
"I would call for calm minds to prevail until we have some
data... the story will make itself evident."

Thanksgiving has been the benchmark count for a number of years.
Figures kept by the Xerces Society show that the lowest count was
4,700 in 2002. With the Thanksgiving count a little more than a
week away, only about 500 butterflies have been seen at any
one time in the Sanctuary.

Lori Mannel, Director of the Pacific Grove Museum of Natural
History, is also cautious about assigning blame for the low counts.
"This discussion and the conclusions being drawn are a bit premature
for me. It1s too early to tell the degree that the PG Monarch
population has declined this overwintering season. If the entire
overwintering season does exhibit reduced population numbers,
then there are multiple possible explanations (e.g., El Nino storm,
construction at neighboring Adult School, natural variance.)," she
said. "I do know that in some years Natural Bridges [an overwintering
  sanctuary in Santa Cruz County] has more Monarchs and in some
years PG has more. If the Sanctuary is no longer ideal, then it
would be interesting to know why they haven't moved to George
Washington Park as they have in the past? We clearly still have
a lot to learn."

According to Pacelli, there are no large clusters of butterflies at
George Washington Park, but there have not been for a number
of years, either, he says.

At least one private property owner has contacted Cedar Street
Times to report that there are clusters on her property, but she is
reluctant to have either scientists, city officials or tourists coming
onto her property for a number of reasons, not the least of which
is liability for their safety.

Pacific Grove's sanctuary ordinance calls for city council approval
for tree trimming in the sanctuary during the overwintering season,
from October through January. The trimming was done, according
to Director of Public Works Celia Martinez, at the end of September.
"The code allows trimming for site maintenance, health, safety and
welfare," she said. The arborist, Rick Katen, monitored the trimming.
Clearly, the need for data is strong before the reasons for the
abnormal count can be learned.

#935 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: Tagging
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Hi, Dee Dee:

You certainly are not too late to receive some of our Monarch Alert tags,
however I have no means to communicate with you without an address,. and I
am not sure if you live in California, altho residents in all of the states
WEST of the Rockies are invited to participate.

Looking forward to getting more details from you, and I wondered if you
raise other butterflies as well as Monarchs.
                                              Helen Johnson - Monarch Alert


----- Original Message -----
From: "DeeDee" <sweetmbf@...>
To: <hjohnson1952@...>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Tagging


Dear Helen, I have a small butterfly business. I would love to be able to
tag some. I know it is too late this year. I have never been able to get the
info. I need to tag them. Perhaps you could let me know how to go about
this. Thank you Helen.            DeeDee

#934 From: Paul Cherubini <monarch@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Article about Pacific Grove's missing monarchs and pruned butterfly cluster trees
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Download a .pdf of the Ceder Street Times here:
http://tinyurl.com/ylnb6lp
Then scroll down to page 15 to view the butterfly article.

Excellent article, but it doesn't explain in detail why the
City of Pacific Grove apparently did not realize the pruning
operation it carried out in late Sept. had the potential to
ruin the suitability of the cluster habitats and cause
the butterfly population to plummet severely.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.

#933 From: <hjohnson1952@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: Browse the Butterfly Digest
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Hi, All:
While we are in the midst of a hiatus of Monarch news from Monterey County and Pacific Grove until after Thanksgiving, I urge our subscribers to "Browse" other geographic sections of the Butterfly Digest, particularly to learn more about the reason for sending Monarchs and Painted Ladies up to the Space Station.   The 11/11/09 issue was really informative.
 
As for living in space, I hope this project will be more successful than Biosphere II in Arizona.
                                              Helen Johnson

#932 From: chris kline <kline_at_pine@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Monarchs have returned to Rio Salado
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Just received word that monarchs have returned to Rio Salado Park in downtown Phx.  A small population (10-20 butterflies) have over-wintered at Rio Salado for each of the past three winters.  It is important to note that none of these are monarchs released at Desert Botanical Garden as all of those are tagged and all of the sightings at Rio Salado have been untagged.
 
We will keep an eye on them and try to get pics to tell individuals apart. 
chris
 

Chris Kline
Sugar Grove, Ohio
 


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