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RE: [OT] Getting started with XP Programming

Read "the craftsman" series here
http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/listArticles?key=topic&topic=Test%20Dr
iven%20Development , it is a short story about an apprentice developer
learning TDD.

adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Robinson [mailto:greg@...]
> Sent: 02 February 2004 16:55
> To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [OT] Getting started with XP Programming
>
> "test-driven approach"
>
> My definition of this is define the requirement (write a
> story, use case, etc), write a test, test the test, then
> write the code. Is that correct?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Andera [mailto:candera@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:23 AM
> To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [OT] Getting started with XP Programming
>
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> > Unit testing seems to be a cornerstone of XP. Get nunit
> (or an other
> > unit testing framework) and get the VS plug-in (can't
> remember where
> > from, probably sf.net) read the TDD stuff on www.objectmentor.com
>
> I'm no XP expert, but I have started using a test-driven
> approach to development, and the effect on quality of both
> the code itself and the "shape" of the API has been dramatic.
> If you maintain the discipline it requires, you will more
> naturally write good code.
>
> BTW, if you don't have the authority to change your
> developer's behavior (which is to say, to incent them to
> conform, and to punish them if they don't), I don't think I'd
> even bother.
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Long story short, we need a "deliberate and disciplined approach to software development". I have started looking at XP. I like a lot of what I see. Our...
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... The XP planning process requires a customer who's very willing to be part of the weekly planning meetings, and available for questions during the week. ...
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Our customer is on board. I've read through the site and most of it looks pretty good. Is there a good book out there I can keep by my side? What is the...
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... "Planning Extreme Programming" by Kent Beck and Martin Fowler. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201710919 This book is very easy to read, and...
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Unit testing seems to be a cornerstone of XP. Get nunit (or an other unit testing framework) and get the VS plug-in (can't remember where from, probably...
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... I'm no XP expert, but I have started using a test-driven approach to development, and the effect on quality of both the code itself and the "shape" of the...
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"test-driven approach" My definition of this is define the requirement (write a story, use case, etc), write a test, test the test, then write the code. Is...
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Correct. Broadly, write no code that you don't have a failing test for. Then code just until it no longer fails. Not sure what you mean by "test the test",...
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By all means (what I mean is, for the love of God) download NUnit (and perhaps NUnitAsp) and start using them. It might be difficult to persuade anyone to pair...
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Read "the craftsman" series here http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/listArticles?key=topic&topic=Test%20Dr iven%20Development , it is a short story about an...
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I have a cousin who is about to inherit a G4 Mac and wants to get into app development. I took a look at Mono by Ximian (.NET Framework on *bsd and Mac OSX) a...
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Is he just starting out? If so, he could also use Rotor. Getting it up and running on a Mac isn't too tough, provided you have the latest developer tools. ...
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Well, I want him on something that I can help him work through, and for now that mostly means .NET. What do you mean by "interpreter-only" for Mono, compared...
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And here is the latest news on the Mac port. http://www.go-mono.com/ppc.html _____ From: Kevin Hegg [mailto:kevinhegg@...] Sent: Monday, February 02,...
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And here is the Mono Project News RSS feed: http://www.go-mono.com/index.rss ... From: sentto-3701524-25890-1075760862-jj5=jj5.net@... ...
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Here is a link to the Mono roadmap that was announced a few months ago. http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03072.html Here is a link to Miguel...
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Be cautious here. XP in of itself may not help you with this problem. You can gather all the user stories you want, but if you're not getting good info from...
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... I disagree (and I know I'm disagreeing here not only with Jay, but with most of the XP people). I think some things are more important than others, some ...
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I agree with Brad. In my consulting business I have run into a number of situations where we had to implement part of XP due to technical, political, or...
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... I agree with Brad, you can pick and choose the practices. On my current project we do a mix of XP and non-XP things and it seems to work very well. We're...
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... It should be noted that I think the primary reason that pair programming actually works and gives increased overall performance is two-fold: 1. The obvious...
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... doing ... some ... In ... pair ... time ... particularly ... I'll whole-heartedly second that. Apart from the raw 'motivational' side, you get the 'reality...
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One of our developers is a genius, but has poor time management and organization skills. The other day, after bugging him for 2 days straight for an update on...
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