Warning: Way OT, kinda. Also, very tepid rant.

Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have tried to wait until after Christmas, but
I really didn't think that MS would yank it this early....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Depa=0&Order=BESTMATCH\
&Description=windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade&IsRelated=1&cm_sp=KeywordRela\
ted-_-windows_7_family_pack-_-windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade

I *really* wish they would announce these things ahead of time, so
somebody could maybe plan for it a little?

Guess the wife's netbook and the other home PCs are staying at XP for
quite a while longer.

Herb.

This does in fact seem to be nothing more than javascript:
http://marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx

Yelp is another impressive site that seems to be mostly javascript.
Let's not forget netflix either.  Everything that impresses me and
that I actually find useful seems to be based on javascript.  On the
other hand, Java UIs were absolutely horrid for the first few years,
and still aren't so great, and yet Java conquered most of the world.
Clearly, the UI doesn't much matter, in the end.

Mike

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Shawn Wildermuth
> <shawn.lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> That’s specifically why its evil.  Space shouldn’t be significant.  The
indention for blocks is wrong on a world scale (IMHO)… ;)
>>
>>
>
> The whitespace language -> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ :)
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Shawn Wildermuth
<shawn.lists@...> wrote:
>
> That’s specifically why its evil.  Space shouldn’t be significant.  The
indention for blocks is wrong on a world scale (IMHO)… ;)
>
>

The whitespace language -> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ :)

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Chris Tavares <cct@...> wrote:
>
> Dude, the indentation rule for python is simple: You have to indent the way
you would have anyway. And if you’re indenting anyway, why not leave out the
extra noise characters (braces)?
>
> -Chris
>

That's one of the reasons a few years ago I chose to learn Ruby
instead of Python. I couldn't believe someone could ever come up w/
such a WTF idea for a language.

Cheers

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> p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
> Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)

Two truths are there.  Yes, we do end up liking whatever we are doing,
no matter what it is.  That's built in human nature, and how we cope.

And yes, Big Brother will either squash you, or if you are big enough,
buy you out, and you will like it.  They didn't get Scott Bellware yet
though did they?  The exception that proves the rule.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Mike <michael.net@...> wrote:
>
> Actually we should be thankful how easy it is becoming to indulge in so
> many different alternatives, on a whim.  Even MS has already given us F#,
> Powershell, Iron This and That.
>

I'm not sure I know what you mean. To what/whom should we be thankful?
How is it becoming easier to indulge in alternatives on a whim?


--Stuart

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Allen <bitmask@...> wrote:
>
> I  just had flashbacks of JJ5 and the summer of 2005.
>

The more things change...? :)


--Stuart

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?


--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Mike <michael.net@...> wrote:
>
> But I have downloaded the VS 2010 beta, and at this moment
> am on a knife edge, deciding whether to embrace the big/slow/verbose
> silverlight lifestyle, i.e. the world of Abominations and Clever
> Hacks, or to take a walk on the simple python/django side of life.
> Since my day job is all MS, probably I should do the latter.
>

As someone who has spent the past few months in the world of
python/django, my advice to you is to stick to the world of
Abominations and Clever Hacks. Two reasons: 1) you will quickly find
life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
your day job, and 2) more python/django work for me! :P


--Stuart

I think I will take your advice and wait for the Acer, it looks pretty good.

Great, that's just what we were all asking for, a bigger slower Visual
Studio.   But I have downloaded the VS 2010 beta, and at this moment
am on a knife edge, deciding whether to embrace the big/slow/verbose
silverlight lifestyle, i.e. the world of Abominations and Clever
Hacks, or to take a walk on the simple python/django side of life.
Since my day job is all MS, probably I should do the latter.

Thanks,
Mike

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Shawn A. Van Ness <savanness@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> An Acer model very similar to the one trotted out at PDC will be available in
the US soon, I'm told.  "1420P" I think is the model #.
> +1 for upgrading to 7200rpm or SSD drive.
>
> And max out the RAM.  (Remember, VS2010 will be a WPF app.)
> -S
>
>
>

I'm still getting used to using the keyboard, but I must say I like the
little PDC laptop. I've never had a tablet before and enjoy that much more
than I thought I would. I also like the multi-touch trackpad. I'm not sure
how sophisticated it is compared to other things in this space as I haven't
really kept up here, but it is ok. You want to add the synaptics driver to
get the full support. That didn't make it into the PDC image.

I really hate the mouse buttons. A fingerprint scanner and smartcard reader
would have been nice. I haven't even considered updating RAM or disk yet.

Really glad I went to the PDC this year. :) The show itself was really good
and I would have been happy without the new toy.

Joe K.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn A. Van Ness" <savanness@...>
To: <win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development


> An Acer model very similar to the one trotted out at PDC will be available
> in the US soon, I'm told.  "1420P" I think is the model #.
>
> +1 for upgrading to 7200rpm or SSD drive.
>
> And max out the RAM.  (Remember, VS2010 will be a WPF app.)
> -S
>

		Mark Levison | Co-Founder and Consultant - TheAgileConsortium | Agile Editor @ InfoQ Blog | Twitter | Office: (613) 761-9821 Recent Entries: Agile Mailing Lists a Survey, Why use an Agile Coach