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#59849 From: Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Bad timing? Win7 Family Pack pulled
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I'm mostly just kicking myself - it's an irritant due to (possibly mis-) prioritization of resources on my part.

It's hard for me to complain too much - I knew it was a "limited" offer. OTOH, knowing the limit ahead of time would have been nice (and yes, I'm sure there's marketing geniuses that would love to explain why announcing a deadline is a bad idea...). Hell, if they'd told you when the deadline was, then you might have spread it around, etc., etc. 

Herb.

#59848 From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Bad timing? Win7 Family Pack pulled
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4710

(First I've heard about it, and I work there...)

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...> wrote:
Warning: Way OT, kinda. Also, very tepid rant.

Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have tried to wait until after Christmas, but
I really didn't think that MS would yank it this early....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Depa=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade&IsRelated=1&cm_sp=KeywordRelated-_-windows_7_family_pack-_-windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade

I *really* wish they would announce these things ahead of time, so
somebody could maybe plan for it a little?

Guess the wife's netbook and the other home PCs are staying at XP for
quite a while longer.

Herb.


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#59847 From: Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Bad timing? Win7 Family Pack pulled
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Warning: Way OT, kinda. Also, very tepid rant.

Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have tried to wait until after Christmas, but
I really didn't think that MS would yank it this early....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Depa=0&Order=BESTMATCH\
&Description=windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade&IsRelated=1&cm_sp=KeywordRela\
ted-_-windows_7_family_pack-_-windows%207%20family%20pack%20upgrade

I *really* wish they would announce these things ahead of time, so
somebody could maybe plan for it a little?

Guess the wife's netbook and the other home PCs are staying at XP for
quite a while longer.

Herb.

#59846 From: "Shawn A. Van Ness" <savanness@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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The problem with nmake iirc was that it required tabs in some cases and spaces in others.
 
Horrific -- unless you had an editor which could display a visually distinct mark for the two...

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:


Maybe its just me but I have horrid memories of makefiles and the pain in editing those. Even Ant is easier.


#59845 From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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This does in fact seem to be nothing more than javascript:
http://marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx

Yelp is another impressive site that seems to be mostly javascript.
Let's not forget netflix either.  Everything that impresses me and
that I actually find useful seems to be based on javascript.  On the
other hand, Java UIs were absolutely horrid for the first few years,
and still aren't so great, and yet Java conquered most of the world.
Clearly, the UI doesn't much matter, in the end.

Mike

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Shawn Wildermuth
> <shawn.lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> That’s specifically why its evil.  Space shouldn’t be significant.  The
indention for blocks is wrong on a world scale (IMHO)… ;)
>>
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> The whitespace language -> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ :)
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#59844 From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 7:15 am
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Shawn Wildermuth
<shawn.lists@...> wrote:
>
> That’s specifically why its evil.  Space shouldn’t be significant.  The
indention for blocks is wrong on a world scale (IMHO)… ;)
>
>

The whitespace language -> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ :)

#59843 From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 7:13 am
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Chris Tavares <cct@...> wrote:
>
> Dude, the indentation rule for python is simple: You have to indent the way
you would have anyway. And if you’re indenting anyway, why not leave out the
extra noise characters (braces)?
>
> -Chris
>

That's one of the reasons a few years ago I chose to learn Ruby
instead of Python. I couldn't believe someone could ever come up w/
such a WTF idea for a language.

Cheers

#59842 From: "Chris Tavares" <cct@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 6:54 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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The sooner you embrace significant indentation, the sooner we can stop arguing over where the braces go.

 

And then start arguing over whether to use spaces or tabs. J

 

-Chris

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:31 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

We’ve been arguing about that for years (remember in Portland).  I told you that you were nuts then and I never change my opinion ;)

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Tavares
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:11 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

Dude, the indentation rule for python is simple: You have to indent the way you would have anyway. And if you’re indenting anyway, why not leave out the extra noise characters (braces)?

 

-Chris

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:14 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59841 From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 6:31 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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We’ve been arguing about that for years (remember in Portland).  I told you that you were nuts then and I never change my opinion ;)

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Tavares
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:11 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

Dude, the indentation rule for python is simple: You have to indent the way you would have anyway. And if you’re indenting anyway, why not leave out the extra noise characters (braces)?

 

-Chris

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:14 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59840 From: "Chris Tavares" <cct@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 5:11 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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Dude, the indentation rule for python is simple: You have to indent the way you would have anyway. And if you’re indenting anyway, why not leave out the extra noise characters (braces)?

 

-Chris

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:14 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59839 From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 11:44 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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That’s specifically why its evil.  Space shouldn’t be significant.  The indention for blocks is wrong on a world scale (IMHO)… ;)

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:42 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

The space thing is easy to get used to. It's no more a problem than putting { and } around code blocks. Want to insert an if-statement? Just put in the if and indent the statements below. I took to it faster than I thought I would.

Ruby I don't particularly get but it turns out nice technology, apparently.


Hugh Brown
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http://www.IWebThereforeIAm.com/



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:


From: Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...>
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:13 PM

 

Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59838 From: Mark Levison <mark@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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Maybe its just me but I have horrid memories of makefiles and the pain in editing those. Even Ant is easier.

Cheers
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#59837 From: Hugh Brown <hughdbrown@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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The space thing is easy to get used to. It's no more a problem than putting { and } around code blocks. Want to insert an if-statement? Just put in the if and indent the statements below. I took to it faster than I thought I would.

Ruby I don't particularly get but it turns out nice technology, apparently.


Hugh Brown
hughdbrown@...

http://www.IWebThereforeIAm.com/



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

From: Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...>
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 3:13 PM



Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59836 From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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> p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
> Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)

Two truths are there.  Yes, we do end up liking whatever we are doing,
no matter what it is.  That's built in human nature, and how we cope.

And yes, Big Brother will either squash you, or if you are big enough,
buy you out, and you will like it.  They didn't get Scott Bellware yet
though did they?  The exception that proves the rule.

#59835 From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. To what/whom should we be thankful?
How is it becoming easier to indulge in alternatives on a whim?


Not necessarily at your day job, but definitely on the side.  Even while fully inside the MS camp, at your day job, you can have a lot of fun with Javascript and jQuery,  A few lucky souls might even be using F#, Iron Python, or Ruby at their day job.  Definitely you can use Powershell to good effect at your day job.  I do hate Visual Studio more each day, I must say...

WPF never passed the smell test for me.  I do not discount the possibility that I'm mistaken, and when I see the first decent WPF or Silverlight app I'll have another look.  

This may even be Silverlight, I don't know:


Whatever it is, it's excellent.  If it's Silverlight, it's the first decent one I've seen, and cause for reevaluation.

Mike

#59834 From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:13 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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Except that space significance sucks…and I will bury python if I have a chance (though I like Ruby).

 

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59833 From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:11 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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Though not perfect, the Envy 13 or 15 (I have the 15) are powerful machines (goes to 16GB memory with an i7 CPU).

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:23 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

I am in the market for a small laptop, perhaps a mini, or perhaps up to 14 inches, and running Windows 7, and capable of serious .net development and reading.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Mike


#59832 From: "Stuart Laughlin (Lists)" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Mike <michael.net@...> wrote:
>
> Actually we should be thankful how easy it is becoming to indulge in so
> many different alternatives, on a whim.  Even MS has already given us F#,
> Powershell, Iron This and That.
>

I'm not sure I know what you mean. To what/whom should we be thankful?
How is it becoming easier to indulge in alternatives on a whim?


--Stuart

#59831 From: "Stuart Laughlin (Lists)" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Scott Allen <bitmask@...> wrote:
>
> I  just had flashbacks of JJ5 and the summer of 2005.
>

The more things change...? :)


--Stuart

#59830 From: Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Mike <michael.net@gmail.com> wrote:


Yes your original post was quite clear.  Eating from the tree of life indeed has it's risks.  But someone's gotta do it.  Actually we should be thankful how easy it is becoming to indulge in so many different alternatives, on a whim.  Even MS has already given us F#, Powershell, Iron This and That.  It's just this big WPF turkey that's giving everyone indigestion.  Can we just throw that one out and move forward?

Butbutbut....I thought that WPF/Silverlight was The One True Way?

Stupid Kool-Aid, always letting me down when I need it most.

Herb.


#59829 From: "Scott Allen" <bitmask@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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I  just had flashbacks of JJ5 and the summer of 2005.

 

--s

 

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:15 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)


#59828 From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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Yes your original post was quite clear.  Eating from the tree of life indeed has it's risks.  But someone's gotta do it.  Actually we should be thankful how easy it is becoming to indulge in so many different alternatives, on a whim.  Even MS has already given us F#, Powershell, Iron This and That.  It's just this big WPF turkey that's giving everyone indigestion.  Can we just throw that one out and move forward?

Mike 


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists) <lists@...> wrote:
 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?

--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)



#59827 From: "Stuart Laughlin (Lists)" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Stuart Laughlin (Lists)
<lists@...> wrote:
>
> 1) you will quickly find
> life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
> your day job
>

That will be the case should you choose to go the python/django route,
I mean to say. Did you catch that? Was that clear?

What am I doing here before my morning tea anyway?


--Stuart

p.s. Should you go the silverlight route, I'm sure you'll love it.
Everyone loves Big Brother in the end. ;)

#59826 From: "Stuart Laughlin (Lists)" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Mike <michael.net@...> wrote:
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> But I have downloaded the VS 2010 beta, and at this moment
> am on a knife edge, deciding whether to embrace the big/slow/verbose
> silverlight lifestyle, i.e. the world of Abominations and Clever
> Hacks, or to take a walk on the simple python/django side of life.
> Since my day job is all MS, probably I should do the latter.
>

As someone who has spent the past few months in the world of
python/django, my advice to you is to stick to the world of
Abominations and Clever Hacks. Two reasons: 1) you will quickly find
life in Visual Studio distasteful and develop feelings of dread toward
your day job, and 2) more python/django work for me! :P


--Stuart

#59825 From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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I think I will take your advice and wait for the Acer, it looks pretty good.

Great, that's just what we were all asking for, a bigger slower Visual
Studio.   But I have downloaded the VS 2010 beta, and at this moment
am on a knife edge, deciding whether to embrace the big/slow/verbose
silverlight lifestyle, i.e. the world of Abominations and Clever
Hacks, or to take a walk on the simple python/django side of life.
Since my day job is all MS, probably I should do the latter.

Thanks,
Mike

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Shawn A. Van Ness <savanness@...> wrote:
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>
> An Acer model very similar to the one trotted out at PDC will be available in
the US soon, I'm told.  "1420P" I think is the model #.
> +1 for upgrading to 7200rpm or SSD drive.
>
> And max out the RAM.  (Remember, VS2010 will be a WPF app.)
> -S
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>
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#59824 From: "Joe Kaplan" <joe@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:45 am
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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I'm still getting used to using the keyboard, but I must say I like the
little PDC laptop. I've never had a tablet before and enjoy that much more
than I thought I would. I also like the multi-touch trackpad. I'm not sure
how sophisticated it is compared to other things in this space as I haven't
really kept up here, but it is ok. You want to add the synaptics driver to
get the full support. That didn't make it into the PDC image.

I really hate the mouse buttons. A fingerprint scanner and smartcard reader
would have been nice. I haven't even considered updating RAM or disk yet.

Really glad I went to the PDC this year. :) The show itself was really good
and I would have been happy without the new toy.

Joe K.
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> An Acer model very similar to the one trotted out at PDC will be available
> in the US soon, I'm told.  "1420P" I think is the model #.
>
> +1 for upgrading to 7200rpm or SSD drive.
>
> And max out the RAM.  (Remember, VS2010 will be a WPF app.)
> -S
>

#59823 From: "Shawn A. Van Ness" <savanness@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:36 am
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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An Acer model very similar to the one trotted out at PDC will be available in the US soon, I'm told.  "1420P" I think is the model #.

+1 for upgrading to 7200rpm or SSD drive.
 
And max out the RAM.  (Remember, VS2010 will be a WPF app.)
-S
 

#59822 From: Patrik Husfloen <husfloen@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Are there any good date/time libraries for .NET that allow changing...
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I think xUnit has Freeze and Thaw attributes for fiddling with the date time, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what you're looking for?

/Patrik

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:
 

...on the fly for Acceptance testing? This item that I wrote last week has got a lot of love from Java crowd.System/Acceptance Testing with Time and Dates - but none from the .NET world.

Cheers
Mark

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#59821 From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Mini or Small Laptop for .NET Development
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But not just any SSD, because almost all of them have random write speeds slower than that 5400 RPM drive.

Get Intel X-25 or anything based on the Indilinx Barefoot controller (like the OCZ Vertex).

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Mike <michael.net@gmail.com> wrote:


Be wary of those.  I do think the 5400 rpm hard drive is truly something to be avoided.  Atwood agrees and recommends an SSD:


Mike

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Marc Guyott <marc.guyott@...> wrote:
 

Here is my favorite.  I was thinking of picking one up and upgrading to 4GB or RAM.

 

Black: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115655

Blue: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115656

Red: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115657

 

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit; 11.6” Screen – 1366x768; 2GB RAM (Upgradeable to 4GB); 160GB 5400 RPM hard drive.  Not sure if you can upgrade the hard drive.  $420.00

 

Best Netbook that looked like it could do real work that I could find.  Your mileage may vary.

 

Marc

 

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I am in the market for a small laptop, perhaps a mini, or perhaps up to 14 inches, and running Windows 7, and capable of serious .net development and reading.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Mike

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#59820 From: Mark Levison <mark@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 6:47 pm
Subject: Are there any good date/time libraries for .NET that allow changing...
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...on the fly for Acceptance testing? This item that I wrote last week has got a lot of love from Java crowd.System/Acceptance Testing with Time and Dates - but none from the .NET world.

Cheers
Mark
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