win_tech_off_topic : Messages : 60087-60116 of 60507

I found this to be rather hilarious:

<http://www.secretgeek.net/dod_intro.asp>

--
Jeff

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#60088

From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Mon Sep 6, 2010 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] DOS on Dope: MVC framework built on batch files

stoyan_damov

ROFL

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Jeff Fitzsimons <jeff@...> wrote:

I found this to be rather hilarious:

<http://www.secretgeek.net/dod_intro.asp>

--
Jeff

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#60089

From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Tue Sep 7, 2010 12:23 am
Subject: RE: [OT] DOS on Dope: MVC framework built on batch files

aunyay

I liked the link to:

http://secretgeek.net/HotGuids/

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Fitzsimons
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 4:09 PM
To: Win Tech Offtopic Group
Subject: [OT] DOS on Dope: MVC framework built on batch files

I found this to be rather hilarious:

<http://www.secretgeek.net/dod_intro.asp>

--
Jeff

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#60090

From: Martin Kulov <mkulov@...>
Date: Thu Sep 9, 2010 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Open Source Content Management System

martinkulov

take a look at n2cms.com

�

2010/8/5 Chris Tavares <cct@...>

Have you also considered Umbraco[0]? I have heard some very good things about it, and large parts of www.asp.net run on it, so you know it can handle the load. It has the commercial support infrastructure on it as well, and from what I can tell a better underlying framework than DotNetNuke does (or did, last time I looked).

�

They were also a sponsor of our latest Seattle codecamp, for what that�s worth.

�

-Chris

�

[0] http://umbraco.org

�

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:18 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Open Source Content Management System

�

�

We would like to use a CMS for our client facing website.

We budgeted $$$ to purchase one.

All of m y research and asking my community buds is pointing us to DotNetNuke: http://www.dotnetnuke.com/

I have no experience with a CMS. Our goal is to make the content in our client facing site configurable so we do not have to ask our developers to do it for us and then wait for the next release. Nothing fancy, just the ability to store and load content dynamically.

Anyone here have experience with DotNetNuke? Open Source is great, though we are willing to pay for a "retail" product if we need to.

I see it's a MIT style license that requires attribution in our source code. I'm not a lawyer but it looks quite straightforward unlike the GPL licenses.

Regarding security - we are concerned about contributors leaving backdoors in the code since it is open source. I don't see this as being an issue so long as we keep up with the latest patches.

Should we be concerned with licensing and back doordoors in?

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#60091

From: Martin Kulov <mkulov@...>
Date: Thu Sep 9, 2010 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Open Source Content Management System

martinkulov

or sitefinity.com which is not OSS/free though

but a new 4.0 version is coming soon that is really amazing!

2010/9/10 Martin Kulov <mkulov@...>

take a look at n2cms.com

�

�

2010/8/5 Chris Tavares <cct@...>

Have you also considered Umbraco[0]? I have heard some very good things about it, and large parts of www.asp.net run on it, so you know it can handle the load. It has the commercial support infrastructure on it as well, and from what I can tell a better underlying framework than DotNetNuke does (or did, last time I looked).

�

They were also a sponsor of our latest Seattle codecamp, for what that�s worth.

�

-Chris

�

[0] http://umbraco.org

�

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:18 AM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Open Source Content Management System

�

�

We would like to use a CMS for our client facing website.

We budgeted $$$ to purchase one.

All of m y research and asking my community buds is pointing us to DotNetNuke: http://www.dotnetnuke.com/

I have no experience with a CMS. Our goal is to make the content in our client facing site configurable so we do not have to ask our developers to do it for us and then wait for the next release. Nothing fancy, just the ability to store and load content dynamically.

Anyone here have experience with DotNetNuke? Open Source is great, though we are willing to pay for a "retail" product if we need to.

I see it's a MIT style license that requires attribution in our source code. I'm not a lawyer but it looks quite straightforward unlike the GPL licenses.

Regarding security - we are concerned about contributors leaving backdoors in the code since it is open source. I don't see this as being an issue so long as we keep up with the latest patches.

Should we be concerned with licensing and back doordoors in?

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#60092

From: John Smith <js51107@...>
Date: Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:25 pm
Subject: recovery of binary file back to text

js51107@...

Hi All

� Is there any way to recover a file that was accidentally saved as a binary file when it should have been saved as a standard text based source code file?� I was working on a huge source code file (way too big to start over) when my computer crashed, BSOD'd and rebooted. I save my work-in-progress compulsively and I had saved the file moments before the crash, but when I reload the file in MSVC it opens as a binary file. The crash somehow corrupted my file and I need to recover it if at all possible.�Any ideas?

�

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#60093

From: "Greg" <gregtechnical@...>
Date: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:35 pm
Subject: Migrating .NET Windows Service application to Linux

volkl96

We will be migrating a windows service application and a small windows forms
application to Linus 1Q 2011.

The service reads from many MSMQs and uploads data to a WCF service throughout
the day.

Our development vendor is telling us porting to Java is the best solution.

We are a C# .NET shop, so this means hiring a Java resource; at least temporary
to do the migration and then as needed for patches and service packs.

Is Java the best route to go here? What about C or C++?

I looked at Mono a few months ago; impressive though it was missing some of the
things we needed. Can we use Mono and Java together?

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#60094

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:00 pm
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

Wow, MS did something I like.� (Which is probably not good for MS.)� I love this commercial, and it is how I see the mobile world of today, even when on the roads:

http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i05a30aa117cd49d69de66dda2facae

The problem for MS is, there just aren't that many people out there who enjoy the real world anymore.� I can't imagine this ad working.� Whenever an ad appeals to me, then you've probably got a problem.

Mike

#60095

From: Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu@...>
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Ads

alanbaljeu

This is the real world?
"

Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.

"

That's what I get at the link.

Alan Baljeu

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:00:26 PM
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

Wow, MS did something I like. (Which is probably not good for MS.) I love this commercial, and it is how I see the mobile world of today, even when on the roads:

http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i05a30aa117cd49d69de66dda2facae

The problem for MS is, there just aren't that many people out there who enjoy the real world anymore. I can't imagine this ad working. Whenever an ad appeals to me, then you've probably got a problem.

Mike

#60096

From: Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...>
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Ads

warren_herb

Yeah, it's kinda how I picture the mobile world too.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu@...> wrote:

This is the real world?
"
Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.

"

That's what I get at the link.
�
Alan Baljeu

From: Mike <michael.net@gmail.com>
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:00:26 PM
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

�

Wow, MS did something I like.� (Which is probably not good for MS.)� I love this commercial, and it is how I see the mobile world of today, even when on the roads:

http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i05a30aa117cd49d69de66dda2facae

The problem for MS is, there just aren't that many people out there who enjoy the real world anymore.� I can't imagine this ad working.� Whenever an ad appeals to me, then you've probably got a problem.

Mike

--
"Inquisition this, science dinks" - The Tick

#60097

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Ads

Sorry about that.� I think the link is actually valid, but apparently the servers are overloaded.� You can go to YouTube and search for WP7 ad, but that is slow right now as well.� I would say they were targeting people with jobs, including internet addicts who want to get away from it now and then.� As well as people who don't want to get run over by drivers on mob.

Mike

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...> wrote:

�

Yeah, it's kinda how I picture the mobile world too.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu@...> wrote:

This is the real world?
"
Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.

"

That's what I get at the link.
�
Alan Baljeu

From: Mike <michael.net@gmail.com>
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:00:26 PM
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

�

Wow, MS did something I like.� (Which is probably not good for MS.)� I love this commercial, and it is how I see the mobile world of today, even when on the roads:

http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i05a30aa117cd49d69de66dda2facae

The problem for MS is, there just aren't that many people out there who enjoy the real world anymore.� I can't imagine this ad working.� Whenever an ad appeals to me, then you've probably got a problem.

Mike

--
"Inquisition this, science dinks" - The Tick

#60098

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Ads

Season of the Witch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv-fbO-_xl0

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Mike <michael.net@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry about that.� I think the link is actually valid, but apparently the servers are overloaded.� You can go to YouTube and search for WP7 ad, but that is slow right now as well.� I would say they were targeting people with jobs, including internet addicts who want to get away from it now and then.� As well as people who don't want to get run over by drivers on mob.

Mike

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...> wrote:

�

Yeah, it's kinda how I picture the mobile world too.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu@...> wrote:

This is the real world?
"
Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.

"

That's what I get at the link.
�
Alan Baljeu

From: Mike <michael.net@gmail.com>
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:00:26 PM
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

�

Wow, MS did something I like.� (Which is probably not good for MS.)� I love this commercial, and it is how I see the mobile world of today, even when on the roads:

http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i05a30aa117cd49d69de66dda2facae

The problem for MS is, there just aren't that many people out there who enjoy the real world anymore.� I can't imagine this ad working.� Whenever an ad appeals to me, then you've probably got a problem.

Mike

--
"Inquisition this, science dinks" - The Tick

#60099

From: "Walter Crosby" <wcrosby@...>
Date: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:25 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Migrating .NET Windows Service application to Linux

ihatefleet

Mono 2.8 just came out. Have you revaluated based on current capabilities?

Walt Crosby

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:35 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Migrating .NET Windows Service application to Linux

We will be migrating a windows service application and a small windows forms application to Linus 1Q 2011.

The service reads from many MSMQs and uploads data to a WCF service throughout the day.

Our development vendor is telling us porting to Java is the best solution.

We are a C# .NET shop, so this means hiring a Java resource; at least temporary to do the migration and then as needed for patches and service packs.

Is Java the best route to go here? What about C or C++?

I looked at Mono a few months ago; impressive though it was missing some of the things we needed. Can we use Mono and Java together?

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#60100

From: "Gough, Christopher" <CGough@...>
Date: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Ads

newbbrewer

I work/wrestle quite a bit with the compact framework, and I think Microsoft still has quite a bit to learn about this space. It might be the season of the Witch but Dorothy Gale (aka. android) is already here.

I just got one of those HTC EVO’s, and it’s amazing, but I haven’t had a really smart phone before( Samsung instinct). You sort of have to jump in to the Google-plex with both feet though.

Yikes

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 6:15 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Ads

Season of the Witch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv-fbO-_xl0

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Mike <michael.net@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry about that. I think the link is actually valid, but apparently the servers are overloaded. You can go to YouTube and search for WP7 ad, but that is slow right now as well. I would say they were targeting people with jobs, including internet addicts who want to get away from it now and then. As well as people who don't want to get run over by drivers on mob.

Mike

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Herb Warren <spoilsportmotors@...> wrote:

Yeah, it's kinda how I picture the mobile world too.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu@...> wrote:

This is the real world?
"

Error 500--Internal Server Error

From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:

10.5.1 500 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.

"

That's what I get at the link.

Alan Baljeu

From: Mike <michael.net@gmail.com>
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:00:26 PM
Subject: [OT] WP7 Ads

--
"Inquisition this, science dinks" - The Tick

#60101

From: John Smith <js51107@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:36 pm
Subject: class instance question

js51107@...

Hi,
  Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

  For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60102

From: Ryan Heath <ryan.Q.heath@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

ryan_88keys

Interesting, I do not know the answer, but instance names can be optimized away.

Lets say you have a solution for this problem, but then at runtime 'Fluffy'
may be named as 'Register12' or 'Stack@17' or maybe, just boringly, 'null' ;)

// Ryan

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, John Smith <js51107@...> wrote:

�

Hi,
Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60103

From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:00 pm
Subject: RE: [OT] class instance question

aunyay

Um…in what environment? Ruby? .NET? Java? C?

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Heath
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:46 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

Interesting, I do not know the answer, but instance names can be optimized away.

Lets say you have a solution for this problem, but then at runtime 'Fluffy'
may be named as 'Register12' or 'Stack@17' or maybe, just boringly, 'null' ;)

// Ryan

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, John Smith <js51107@...> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60104

From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

stoyan_damov

In C, this is already solved - there are no classes :P
Seriously, I don't even want to know what John is talking about. I did try to understand his question though...

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

Um…in what environment? Ruby? .NET? Java? C?

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Heath
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:46 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

Interesting, I do not know the answer, but instance names can be optimized away.
Lets say you have a solution for this problem, but then at runtime 'Fluffy'
may be named as 'Register12' or 'Stack@17' or maybe, just boringly, 'null' ;)

// Ryan
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, John Smith <js51107@...> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60105

From: Paul van Brenk <paul.van.brenk@...>
Date: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

paulvanbrenk

I think he means something like this in C#, which can't be reliably done due to compiler not caring about the name of things.

public class Cat

{

public string Name

{

return .....;

}

Somewhere else:

var Fluffy = new Cat();

Assert.IsTrue( Fluffy.Name == "Fluffy" );

The implementation of the return method is his question?

Paul

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 15:36, Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...> wrote:

In C, this is already solved - there are no classes :P
Seriously, I don't even want to know what John is talking about. I did try to understand his question though...

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

Um…in what environment? Ruby? .NET? Java? C?

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Heath
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:46 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

Interesting, I do not know the answer, but instance names can be optimized away.

Lets say you have a solution for this problem, but then at runtime 'Fluffy'
may be named as 'Register12' or 'Stack@17' or maybe, just boringly, 'null' ;)

// Ryan

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, John Smith <js51107@...> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60106

From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

stoyan_damov

It won't work in any language that I know of (except perhaps in mumps?), but I'd never ask myself if this can be done even out of curiosity :)

Cheers

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Paul van Brenk <paul.van.brenk@...> wrote:

I think he means something like this in C#, which can't be reliably done due to compiler not caring about the name of things.

public class Cat

{

    public string Name

    {

         return .....;

    }

}

Somewhere else:

var Fluffy = new Cat();

Assert.IsTrue( Fluffy.Name == "Fluffy" );

The implementation of the return method is his question?

Paul

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 15:36, Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...> wrote:

In C, this is already solved - there are no classes :P
Seriously, I don't even want to know what John is talking about. I did try to understand his question though...

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

Um…in what environment? Ruby? .NET? Java? C?

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Heath
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:46 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] class instance question

Interesting, I do not know the answer, but instance names can be optimized away.

Lets say you have a solution for this problem, but then at runtime 'Fluffy'
may be named as 'Register12' or 'Stack@17' or maybe, just boringly, 'null' ;)

// Ryan

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, John Smith <js51107@...> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a way to programmatically determine the name of an instance
of a class without having to hardcode the information?

For example if I have a 'Cat' class and I have an instance of that
class named 'Fluffy' assuming the Cat class has a 'Name' member
variable that can hold the information, is there a way to make
'Fluffy' determine its own name without having to tell it the
information? Just curious... Thanks.

#60107

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 9:17 pm
Subject: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/

Lastly, there has been massive growth in the breadth and diversity of devices made by a wide variety of vendors providing both open and closed systems.��When we started Silverlight, the number of unique/different Internet-connected devices in the world was relatively small, and our goal was to provide the most consistent, richest experience across those devices.� But the world has changed.� As a result, getting a single runtime implementation installed on every potential device is practically impossible.� We think HTML will provide the broadest, cross-platform reach across all these devices.� At Microsoft, we�re committed to building the world�s best implementation of HTML 5 for devices running Windows, and at the PDC, we showed the great progress we�re making on this with IE 9.�

This really only makes it worse. �Because WP7 will probably be strong in the enterprise, so we'll probably still end up having to use it.

Mike

#60108

From: "Shawn Wildermuth" <shawn.lists@...>
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 6:33 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

aunyay

I can’t understand your reticence about Silverlight. For Apps (see my post link below) I think it will continue to be a better dev experience than jQuery + HTMLX. Of course, someone could actually build good HTML tools, but I haven’t seen this happen in the last 15 years, so I am not holding my breath. At the end of the day I still think (as I’ve been saying for 4 years now) that Silverlight is about Apps, HTML is about sites.

http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault…not my phone’s.

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:17 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

Lastly, there has been massive growth in the breadth and diversity of devices made by a wide variety of vendors providing both open and closed systems. When we started Silverlight, the number of unique/different Internet-connected devices in the world was relatively small, and our goal was to provide the most consistent, richest experience across those devices. But the world has changed. As a result, getting a single runtime implementation installed on every potential device is practically impossible. We think HTML will provide the broadest, cross-platform reach across all these devices. At Microsoft, we’re committed to building the world’s best implementation of HTML 5 for devices running Windows, and at the PDC, we showed the great progress we’re making on this with IE 9.

http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/

This really only makes it worse. Because WP7 will probably be strong in the enterprise, so we'll probably still end up having to use it.

Mike

#60109

From: "Shawn A. Van Ness" <savanness@...>
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

arithex

I am also extremely pessimistic about HTML for building _apps_.� (Indeed, this is why I quit my job at MS a couple months ago. :-)

Long live XAML and C#..!

-S

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

I can�t understand your reticence about Silverlight. For Apps (see my post link below) I think it will continue to be a better dev experience than jQuery + HTMLX.� Of course, someone could actually build good HTML tools, but I haven�t seen this happen in the last 15 years, so I am not holding my breath. At the end of the day I still think (as I�ve been saying for 4 years now) that Silverlight is about Apps, HTML is about sites.

�
http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate

�
Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

�
Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault�not my phone�s.

�

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:17 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

�
�
Lastly, there has been massive growth in the breadth and diversity of devices made by a wide variety of vendors providing both open and closed systems.��When we started Silverlight, the number of unique/different Internet-connected devices in the world was relatively small, and our goal was to provide the most consistent, richest experience across those devices.� But the world has changed.� As a result, getting a single runtime implementation installed on every potential device is practically impossible.� We think HTML will provide the broadest, cross-platform reach across all these devices.� At Microsoft, we�re committed to building the world�s best implementation of HTML 5 for devices running Windows, and at the PDC, we showed the great progress we�re making on this with IE 9.�

�
http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/

�
This really only makes it worse. �Because WP7 will probably be strong in the enterprise, so we'll probably still end up having to use it.

�
Mike

#60110

From: "Jeroen Frijters" <yahoo@...>
Date: Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:45 am
Subject: RE: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

jeroen_nu

Something to keep in mind about Silverlight is the support lifecycle:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean45

In particular:
"Microsoft will provide 12 months of notice prior to the end of support for
Silverlight."

This is a deal breaker for us. So it will be WPF rich client + html for
reach.

Regards,
Jeroen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn A. Van
> Ness
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:42 PM
> To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper
>
>
>
> I am also extremely pessimistic about HTML for building _apps_.
> (Indeed, this is why I quit my job at MS a couple months ago. :-)
>
> Long live XAML and C#..!
>
> -S
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Shawn Wildermuth
> <shawn.lists@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>  I can't understand your reticence about Silverlight. For Apps (see
> my post link below) I think it will continue to be a better dev
> experience than jQuery + HTMLX.  Of course, someone could actually build
> good HTML tools, but I haven't seen this happen in the last 15 years, so
> I am not holding my breath. At the end of the day I still think (as I've
> been saying for 4 years now) that Silverlight is about Apps, HTML is
> about sites.
>
>
>
>  http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-
> PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate <http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-
> PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate>
>
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Shawn Wildermuth
>
>  http://wildermuth.com <http://wildermuth.com/>
>
>
>
>  Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and
> punctuations are completely my fault.not my phone's.
>
>
>
>  From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>  Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:17 PM
>  To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper
>
>
>
>
>
>  Lastly, there has been massive growth in the breadth and diversity
> of devices made by a wide variety of vendors providing both open and
> closed systems.  When we started Silverlight, the number of
> unique/different Internet-connected devices in the world was relatively
> small, and our goal was to provide the most consistent, richest
> experience across those devices.  But the world has changed.  As a
> result, getting a single runtime implementation installed on every
> potential device is practically impossible.  We think HTML will provide
> the broadest, cross-platform reach across all these devices.  At
> Microsoft, we're committed to building the world's best implementation
> of HTML 5 for devices running Windows, and at the PDC, we showed the
> great progress we're making on this with IE 9.
>
>
>
>  http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/
>
>
>
>  This really only makes it worse.  Because WP7 will probably be
> strong in the enterprise, so we'll probably still end up having to use
> it.
>
>
>
>  Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

#60111

From: Mike <michael.net@...>
Date: Wed Nov 3, 2010 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

Yes, the world needs more XML, and more verbose static languages. �Better yet, mix them together! �:)

I'm sure, like with all technologies, once you get into it, you'll start liking it. �But looking at it from the outside, it surely looks like older technology and ideas.

Mike

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Shawn A. Van Ness <savanness@...> wrote:

�

I am also extremely pessimistic about HTML for building _apps_.� (Indeed, this is why I quit my job at MS a couple months ago. :-)

Long live XAML and C#..!

-S

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Shawn Wildermuth <shawn.lists@...> wrote:

I can�t understand your reticence about Silverlight. For Apps (see my post link below) I think it will continue to be a better dev experience than jQuery + HTMLX.� Of course, someone could actually build good HTML tools, but I haven�t seen this happen in the last 15 years, so I am not holding my breath. At the end of the day I still think (as I�ve been saying for 4 years now) that Silverlight is about Apps, HTML is about sites.

�
http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate

�
Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth

http://wildermuth.com

�
Note: This was typed on a big ole laptop so any misspellings and punctuations are completely my fault�not my phone�s.

�

From: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:17 PM
To: win_tech_off_topic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OT] Not with a bang, but with a whimper

�
�
Lastly, there has been massive growth in the breadth and diversity of devices made by a wide variety of vendors providing both open and closed systems.��When we started Silverlight, the number of unique/different Internet-connected devices in the world was relatively small, and our goal was to provide the most consistent, richest experience across those devices.� But the world has changed.� As a result, getting a single runtime implementation installed on every potential device is practically impossible.� We think HTML will provide the broadest, cross-platform reach across all these devices.� At Microsoft, we�re committed to building the world�s best implementation of HTML 5 for devices running Windows, and at the PDC, we showed the great progress we�re making on this with IE 9.�

�
http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/

�
This really only makes it worse. �Because WP7 will probably be strong in the enterprise, so we'll probably still end up having to use it.

�
Mike

#60112

From: Stoyan Damov <stoyan.damov@...>
Date: Thu Nov 4, 2010 11:49 pm
Subject: Programming languages see by other programming language fans :))))) ROFL

stoyan_damov

http://www.revergestudios.com/reblog/uploads/ReCode/languages1.jpg

Cheers

Reply | Messages in this Topic (1)

#60113

From: Mark Levison <mark@...>
Date: Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:09 pm
Subject: Laptop recommendations?

marklevison

Many years ago I used this group for its original purpose. Now I just abuse it, sorry. The Canadian government has made it clear that I need to upgrade my laptop by Jan 31 (its changed some taxation rules). So I'm leaning on old friends for recommendations.

My needs:

1. Budget <2000 Canadian

2. 15 inch screen

3. More battery life is better. Currently my XPS 1530 gets about 1:20 which I'm always looking for a plug. Ideally I would get 3 hrs when not doing compute intensive tasks.

4. Weight no worse than XPS M1530 (6 lbs)

5 CPU Core I7 (at least this what I assume I want), 8 GB RAM. 500 GB 7200 RPM Harddrive

6. Use: Development and photo editing (Lightroom and Photoshop). More Horsepower better in these cases, although I'm happy to work using an outlet in that case.

7. USB 3.0 and other goodies are nice but not mission critical

Basically I spend a lot of time on the road and need a good machine that I can carry and use every where. After digging for a few hours it appears that the current Dell XPS's get bad reviews for: design and longevity, battery life and lack of USB 3.0. The HP Envy takes a knock because the palm rest becomes very hot even when browsing the web.

Thoughts?

Mark

Mark Levison | Agile Pain Relief Consulting | Agile Editor @ InfoQ

Blog | Twitter | Office: (613) 862-2538

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#60114

From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...>
Date: Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop recommendations?

bradw_64

Battery life will be much better with an i5 than an i7. Unless you intend to do highly compute intensive tasks, I would choose the i5.

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:

Many years ago I used this group for its original purpose. Now I just abuse it, sorry. The Canadian government has made it clear that I need to upgrade my laptop by Jan 31 (its changed some taxation rules). So I'm leaning on old friends for recommendations.

My needs:

1. Budget <2000 Canadian

2. 15 inch screen

3. More battery life is better. Currently my XPS 1530 gets about 1:20 which I'm always looking for a plug. Ideally I would get 3 hrs when not doing compute intensive tasks.

4. Weight no worse than XPS M1530 (6 lbs)

5 CPU Core I7 (at least this what I assume I want), 8 GB RAM. 500 GB 7200 RPM Harddrive

6. Use: Development and photo editing (Lightroom and Photoshop). More Horsepower better in these cases, although I'm happy to work using an outlet in that case.

7. USB 3.0 and other goodies are nice but not mission critical

Basically I spend a lot of time on the road and need a good machine that I can carry and use every where. After digging for a few hours it appears that the current Dell XPS's get bad reviews for: design and longevity, battery life and lack of USB 3.0. The HP Envy takes a knock because the palm rest becomes very hot even when browsing the web.

Thoughts?

Mark

Mark Levison | Agile Pain Relief Consulting | Agile Editor @ InfoQ

Blog | Twitter | Office: (613) 862-2538

Recent Entries: Self Inflicted Agile Injuries, Why use an Agile Coach

#60115

From: Mark Levison <mark@...>
Date: Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop recommendations?

marklevison

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> wrote:

�

Battery life will be much better with an i5 than an i7. Unless you intend to do highly compute intensive tasks, I would choose the i5.

Interesting I've�naively�assumed for years that more is better. Perhaps its time to recalibrate. Is there any site that provides at least adequate comparisons of CPU performance? My current laptop has a Core 2 Duo T8300 2.40 GHz. I'm wondering roughly how much of jump I will get in performance going to an i5 or an i7?

Google finds:�http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php�as a rough way of comparing CPU's. It seems ok expect it doesn't list the i5 that Dell is using (560M 2.66 GHz).

Thanks

Mark

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:

Many years ago I used this group for its original purpose. Now I just abuse it, sorry. The Canadian government has made it clear that I need to upgrade my laptop by Jan 31 (its changed some taxation rules). So I'm leaning on old friends for recommendations.

My needs:

1. Budget <2000 Canadian

2. 15 inch screen

3. More battery life is better. Currently my XPS 1530 gets about 1:20 which I'm always looking for a plug. Ideally I would get 3 hrs when not doing compute intensive tasks.

4. Weight no worse than XPS M1530 (6 lbs)

5 CPU Core I7 (at least this what I assume I want), 8 GB RAM. 500 GB 7200 RPM Harddrive

6. Use: Development and photo editing (Lightroom and Photoshop). More Horsepower better in these cases, although I'm happy to work using an outlet in that case.

7. USB 3.0 and other goodies are nice but not mission critical

Basically I spend a lot of time on the road and need a good machine that I can carry and use every where. After digging for a few hours it appears that the current Dell XPS's get bad reviews for: design and longevity, battery life and lack of USB 3.0. The HP Envy takes a knock because the palm rest becomes very hot even when browsing the web.

Thoughts?

Mark

Mark Levison | Agile Pain Relief Consulting | Agile Editor @ InfoQ

Blog | Twitter | Office: (613) 862-2538

Recent Entries: Self Inflicted Agile Injuries, Why use an Agile Coach

#60116

From: Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...>
Date: Fri Nov 5, 2010 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop recommendations?

bradw_64

C2D is a 5 year old architecture. Power management for C2D sucks compared to all modern i-family CPUs, including the i7, IMO. There's no way I would buy a C2D laptop today.

There are 3 basic families: i3, i5, i7. The i3 is most similar to the C2D: fixed clock speed with no turbo boost. The i5 generally adds the ability to turbo boost, which means it self-overclocks when it determines you're running a single-threaded CPU-intensive task (like gaming typically is). The i7 adds hyperthreading to the mix, so your n-core CPU looks like an 2n-core CPU to Windows. This is better than the Pentium Pro days of hyperthreading in that it's physically 2 hardware threads, but still set expectations appropriately in that it's not a true doubling of computational capability (but perhaps +40%, vs. the +10% from the PPro days).

Core i-family CPUs have desktop and mobile versions, and introduce new ultra mobile versions with very low clock speeds. I have an Alienware 11" with the ultramobile i7 640UM, and the laptop feels extremely fast, owing more to good speed of disk and modern architecture than the seemingly anemic CPU speed (1.2GHz). I chose i7 here because I wanted the hyperthreading to compensate for the low clock speed.

I regularly get ~ 5-6 hours of battery life with it, and when I want, I can play games at very high detail level (since it has an NVidia 335M). It's heavy for an 11" laptop (~ 4.5 lbs), but it's built like a tank and is really a tiny desktop machine at the end of the day, which is what I wanted for travel (demos/Visual Studio + gaming).

--
Brad http://bradwilson.typepad.com/

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@...> wrote:

Battery life will be much better with an i5 than an i7. Unless you intend to do highly compute intensive tasks, I would choose the i5.
Interesting I've naively assumed for years that more is better. Perhaps its time to recalibrate. Is there any site that provides at least adequate comparisons of CPU performance? My current laptop has a Core 2 Duo T8300 2.40 GHz. I'm wondering roughly how much of jump I will get in performance going to an i5 or an i7?

Google finds: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php as a rough way of comparing CPU's. It seems ok expect it doesn't list the i5 that Dell is using (560M 2.66 GHz).

Thanks
Mark

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Levison <mark@...> wrote:

Many years ago I used this group for its original purpose. Now I just abuse it, sorry. The Canadian government has made it clear that I need to upgrade my laptop by Jan 31 (its changed some taxation rules). So I'm leaning on old friends for recommendations.

My needs:

1. Budget <2000 Canadian

2. 15 inch screen

3. More battery life is better. Currently my XPS 1530 gets about 1:20 which I'm always looking for a plug. Ideally I would get 3 hrs when not doing compute intensive tasks.

4. Weight no worse than XPS M1530 (6 lbs)

5 CPU Core I7 (at least this what I assume I want), 8 GB RAM. 500 GB 7200 RPM Harddrive

6. Use: Development and photo editing (Lightroom and Photoshop). More Horsepower better in these cases, although I'm happy to work using an outlet in that case.

7. USB 3.0 and other goodies are nice but not mission critical

Basically I spend a lot of time on the road and need a good machine that I can carry and use every where. After digging for a few hours it appears that the current Dell XPS's get bad reviews for: design and longevity, battery life and lack of USB 3.0. The HP Envy takes a knock because the palm rest becomes very hot even when browsing the web.

Thoughts?

Mark

Mark Levison | Agile Pain Relief Consulting | Agile Editor @ InfoQ

Blog | Twitter | Office: (613) 862-2538

Recent Entries: Self Inflicted Agile Injuries, Why use an Agile Coach