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Re: vodafone and novarra

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Knoop" <wml@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I suspect that you guys may be a step ahead and already know this
> butafter some of the recent posts had got me worrying about this
> Vodafone content adapation issue I was informed by our UK aggregator
> that they can whitelist urls so that they do not use it (along with the
> content control whitelisting). I wasn't aware of this from the posts
> I'd read so thought I'd mention it just in case.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>

Whitelisting means several things:

1) It's a huge operational scalability problem for them (and for
content providers, if they have to do it for every single carrier out
there)
2) It takes a while from when you e-mail them to when they actually
whitelist you, if they actually do it.
3) They have the discretion not to put you in the whitelist. Fingers
crossed that they won't be so evil.

And I argued against the whitelist in Vodafone Betavine, and it's all
tied to their User-Agent changes.

Nigel.




Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:21 am

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Kenneth I think you raised a very important question. Is it necessarily copyright violations I am not sure. But given that they have a white list, they can...
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Sep 25, 2007
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... Whitelisting means several things: 1) It's a huge operational scalability problem for them (and for content providers, if they have to do it for every...
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Sep 18, 2007
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... The main issue is that they have used this absolutely simplistic approach to content adaptation (i.e. disguise the client no matter what unless white...
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Sep 18, 2007
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... resides. ... Same thinking here, except I havn't thought of the 406 error. I think that works too. The gist is to ask them to leave the incoming User-Agent...
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Sep 18, 2007
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... Yes. Developers are a neglected constituency in the mobile ecosystem. That's why we're working hard on creating http://dev.mobi, http://ready.mobi, etc....
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Sep 22, 2007
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Hi James, There is also another explanation to Vodafone UK's behavior: Operators think their subscribers are theirs and theirs only, and they do not want to...
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Sep 22, 2007
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Luca or anyone else.... Anyone know if removing the User-Agent string is unique to the Vodafone implementation? Or, is this being aspect of the implementation...
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Sep 23, 2007
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... Did you try Google's transcoder? http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=t.wurfl.com I am unsure if the transcoder is fired up by default when you search from...
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Hi Andrea, Yes, and blogged about it here, "An Open Letter to Google: "Page adapted for mobile phone?" Please stop now, you are crippling sites, not adapting...
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I have an update on this and I think it's great news! Special thanks to Sean for the replies on a Sunday. If you add to your web version the following the GWT...
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Sep 23, 2007
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@Sean (Andrea is Sean on this list?) I read the following on the Betavine Forum: http://www.vodafonebetavine.net/web/guest/forums/message_boards/message/478 ...
David Harper
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... I don't know if Sean is on the list, I asked. I'll try to be a good proxy in case he's not. :) That message from Betavine surprised me, I have to admit. I...
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People, I just replied to something Sean rowen of google said on the betavine forum; ...
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Wow, I leave you guys for one month to check out India and my mailbox asplodes with vodafone discussion. Now I've been reading up a bit - including the forum...
Marten van Wezel
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Yes. By default. David...
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H3G italy has also been running novarra for a few months at least, but they did nit touch the User-Agent string. The service was offered as best-effort attempt...
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Faux-Pax Vodafone http://www.semapedia.org/wordpress/ This part especially for those who ponder possible motives... "All of their justifications (transcoding...
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who wrote this? they may want to add their signature to my rant... Luca...
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Got a chance to play a bit with Novarra as installed at Vodafone UK. I tried a couple of popular italian sites (just to make sure that I wouldn't get anything...
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Transcoding was a half-way decent notion several years ago as a stop gap measure but IMO does more harm then good today. The notion of wholesale transcoding of...
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