hello everybody,

Does anyone have an experience about :
which devices support server side redirect.

I know that nokia 7110 doesn't but i have no idea about other devices, and i
need to know if it is usually not supported or supported.

Thanks.

Hi Boys !

I am giving Lucas new XOM based API and the current wurfl.xml a test shot.

We will launch the SAT1 teletext mobile shortly.

If someone wants to test it with more exotic devices (for my benefit and
of course for yours too :o) feel free to get it at

http://games.siemens.at/sat1mtt

I am especially interested in stuff like supporting gif images, doing
xhtml or wml, any troubles with xhtml mode or wml mode

......

Else I didnt find any bug in the new WURFL so I will use it in our
productive environment to be launched before Christmas :o)

All the best and keep WURFL rocking

mfg ET

Hello Thomas,
	 I tried to connect with my good old Siemens S45 (the best phone I used in
the last 3 years!). While it takes a little too long for my habits because of 2
redirects,
when I eventually reach the real page I get an error because the page is too
big. I
contacted your site with a manual "wget" and noticed that you send me a page
that is
4690 bytes (plus images if any). I don't know about the configuration of TIM's
wapgateway (Openwave's MAG 5) and how much they compress the wml, but what I
know is that the device can't handle it.

The wml source looks ok (wml 1.1).

Session id's are very long and those don't get compressed when WML is compiled..
maybe shortening them a little.

- Andrea


On 5 Dec 2003 at 13:24, Thomas Eitzenberger wrote:

> Hi Boys !
>
> I am giving Lucas new XOM based API and the current wurfl.xml a test shot.
>
> We will launch the SAT1 teletext mobile shortly.
>
> If someone wants to test it with more exotic devices (for my benefit and
> of course for yours too :o) feel free to get it at
>
> http://games.siemens.at/sat1mtt
>
> I am especially interested in stuff like supporting gif images, doing
> xhtml or wml, any troubles with xhtml mode or wml mode
>
> ......
>
> Else I didnt find any bug in the new WURFL so I will use it in our
> productive environment to be launched before Christmas :o)
>
> All the best and keep WURFL rocking
>
> mfg ET
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>



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Hi Thomas,

great to hear your using the WURFL I had a look at the page using a
Nokia 7250i I didn't get any error messages on the homepage (the only
page I tried)  but the layout is kind of crappy some garbled up
pieces of text and I think you might want use some regular
expressions to filter the input you get from the Text Service. For
instance, every 3digit number is converted to a link (Like most text
services on the Net)
This turns
500 EURO für die richtige Melodie!>
into
<font color="#ffffff"> <a
href="showPage.html.jsp;jsessionid=7A9FB140422051A290904EBA21A7DB6E?
action=get&pgid=500">500</a> EURO für<font color="#00ffff"> <font
color="#ffffff"> die richtige<font color="#00ffff"> <font
color="#ffffff"> Melodie! >

Which doesn't make a lot of sense, and I can't imagine this validates
as proper xhtml.

I have done some conversion from Dutch Teletekst input to
wml/xhtml/rss and I no this is quite a pain in the butt.

Ed


--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Eitzenberger
<thomas.eitzenberger@s...> wrote:
> Hi Boys !
>
> I am giving Lucas new XOM based API and the current wurfl.xml a
test shot.
>
> We will launch the SAT1 teletext mobile shortly.
>
> If someone wants to test it with more exotic devices (for my
benefit and
> of course for yours too :o) feel free to get it at
>
> http://games.siemens.at/sat1mtt
>
> I am especially interested in stuff like supporting gif images,
doing
> xhtml or wml, any troubles with xhtml mode or wml mode
>
> ......
>
> Else I didnt find any bug in the new WURFL so I will use it in our
> productive environment to be launched before Christmas :o)
>
> All the best and keep WURFL rocking
>
> mfg ET

hello,

ive been away from this group for a while. is this still the main
discussion group for all things european wap/mobile/wml or has luca
(or one of the others) set^up a new one?

Darren Luckett

--- Bruno PIERRE <brunopierre4@...> wrote:
> hello everybody,
>
> Does anyone have an experience about :
> which devices support server side redirect.
>
> I know that nokia 7110 doesn't but i have no idea
> about other devices, and i
> need to know if it is usually not supported or
> supported.

I think some devices have this bug: The redirect
response from a server has a content type.  If that
content type is set to text/html, some devices will
error on that, even though they are never going to
display the content for that response.  If the content
type in the redirect response is set to WML, the
device may make it past.  One company that has
software that detects devices and does this
automatically with the Apache server is:
http://chiralsoftware.net.


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hello,

  I have a Panasonic p2102v foma docomo phone. I will give it a go and let
you know.

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Eitzenberger [mailto:thomas.eitzenberger@...]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:24 PM
To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [wmlprogramming] New WURFL test site


Hi Boys !

I am giving Lucas new XOM based API and the current wurfl.xml a test shot.

We will launch the SAT1 teletext mobile shortly.

If someone wants to test it with more exotic devices (for my benefit and
of course for yours too :o) feel free to get it at

http://games.siemens.at/sat1mtt

I am especially interested in stuff like supporting gif images, doing
xhtml or wml, any troubles with xhtml mode or wml mode

......

Else I didnt find any bug in the new WURFL so I will use it in our
productive environment to be launched before Christmas :o)

All the best and keep WURFL rocking

mfg ET

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Hi All,
   Is there any methods to send SMS from the client side when the
user click on a click in a WAP page?

thanks,
Kelvin

Hi,

When I try to open a hyperlink I get a "Invalid entry. Please try
again" error. I've tried everything and cannot get my code to work.
The wml page is generated in asp so I suspect it's something to do
with encoding? The key part of the following code is at the bottom
where I'm trying to put strURL into the a tag. Any help would be much
appreciated. It's driving me mad.

%>
	 s = "<?xml version="+chr(34)+"1.0"+chr(34)+" encoding="+chr
(34)+"UTF-8"+chr(34)+"?>"
	 s = s & "<!DOCTYPE wml PUBLIC "+chr(34)+"-//WAPFORUM//DTD WML
1.1//EN"+chr(34)+" "+chr(34)
+"http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/wml_1.1.xml"+chr(34)+">"
	 s = s & "<wml>"

	 If Request.Form("Species") <> "" Then
		 s = s & "<card id=""submit_result"" title=""Submit"">"
		 s = s & "<p>"

		 If m_blnSubmissionSuccessful = True Then
			 s = s & "Submission Successful"
		 Else
			 s = s & "Submission Failed"
		 End If

		 s = s & "</p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<a href=""birdnews.asp?today=true&uid="
& lngObserverID & """>Todays News</a>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<a href=""birdnews.asp?
yesterday=true&uid=" & lngObserverID & """>Yesterdays News</a>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<a href=""submit.asp?uid=" & lngObserverID
& """>Submit sighting</a>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "</card>"
	 Else
		 s = s & "<card id=""submit"" title=""Submit"">"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "Time:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""Time"" maxlength=""5""
format=""*m"" value=""" & FormatDate(Now, "H:i") & """
emptyok=""true""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Count:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""Count"" maxlength=""5""
format=""*N"" value=""1"" emptyok=""true""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Age/Sex:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""AgeSex"" maxlength=""30""
format=""*m"" emptyok=""true""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Species:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""Species"" maxlength=""30""
format=""*m"" emptyok=""false""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Site:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""Site"" maxlength=""30""
format=""*m"" emptyok=""false""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Notes:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""Notes"" maxlength=""100""
format=""*m"" emptyok=""true""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "Grid Ref:<br/>"
		 s = s & "<input name=""GridRef"" maxlength=""10""
format=""*m"" emptyok=""true""/><br/>"
		 s = s & "</p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<anchor>Submit"
		 s = s & "<go method=""post"" href=""submit.asp?uid="
& lngObserverID & """>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""Species""
value=""$(Species)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""Site"" value=""$(Site)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""Count""
value=""$(Count)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""AgeSex""
value=""$(AgeSex)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""Notes""
value=""$(Notes)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""GridRef""
value=""$(GridRef)""/>"
		 s = s & "<postfield name=""Time"" value=""$(Time)""/>"
		 s = s & "</go>"
		 s = s & "</anchor>"
		 s = s & "</p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"

		 strURL = "birdnews.asp?today=true&uid=" &
lngObserverID

		 s = s & "<a href='" & strURL & "'>Todays News</a>"
		 s = s & "</p>"
		 s = s & "<p>"
		 s = s & "<a href=""birdnews.asp?
yesterday=true&uid=" & lngObserverID & """>Yesterdays News</a>"
		 s = s & "</p>"
		 s = s & "</card>"
	 End If

	 s = s & "</wml>"

	 Response.Write (s)
%>

we are here and we are still going strong, Darren.

Welcome back.

Have you seen the WURFL now? what's your opinion about that?
We have been getting a lot of traction since 6 months back....

luca


darren luckett wrote:
> hello,
>
> ive been away from this group for a while. is this still the main
> discussion group for all things european wap/mobile/wml or has luca
> (or one of the others) set^up a new one?
>
> Darren Luckett
>
>
>
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>
>

Joe, how does chiral compare to WURFL?

luca

joe user wrote:

> --- Bruno PIERRE <brunopierre4@...> wrote:
>
>>hello everybody,
>>
>>Does anyone have an experience about :
>>which devices support server side redirect.
>>
>>I know that nokia 7110 doesn't but i have no idea
>>about other devices, and i
>>need to know if it is usually not supported or
>>supported.
>
>
> I think some devices have this bug: The redirect
> response from a server has a content type.  If that
> content type is set to text/html, some devices will
> error on that, even though they are never going to
> display the content for that response.  If the content
> type in the redirect response is set to WML, the
> device may make it past.  One company that has
> software that detects devices and does this
> automatically with the Apache server is:
> http://chiralsoftware.net.
>
>

Luca I had a look at chiralsoft, basicly, in my opinion, it is a html
scraper with an image transformer in it. It takes existing html (no jsp,
php, asp  or other dynamicaly created  content) and turns it into wml.
My personal opinion is that this might work for simple content but for
larger and database based site this won't work. Something else, if
redirecting is a problem for some people why not create one entry page
based on the HTTP_ACCEPT header. The entry page will generate wml or
html according to the HTTP_ACCEPT header. this way you don't need to use
redirects. If you do need to use redirect, a trick I used for asp and
redirecting is adding a
Response.Flush
Response.End
After the response.redirect.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: luca [mailto:passani@...]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:57 PM
To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [wmlprogramming] redirect



Joe, how does chiral compare to WURFL?

luca

joe user wrote:

> --- Bruno PIERRE <brunopierre4@...> wrote:
>
>>hello everybody,
>>
>>Does anyone have an experience about :
>>which devices support server side redirect.
>>
>>I know that nokia 7110 doesn't but i have no idea
>>about other devices, and i
>>need to know if it is usually not supported or
>>supported.
>
>
> I think some devices have this bug: The redirect
> response from a server has a content type.  If that
> content type is set to text/html, some devices will
> error on that, even though they are never going to
> display the content for that response.  If the content
> type in the redirect response is set to WML, the
> device may make it past.  One company that has
> software that detects devices and does this
> automatically with the Apache server is: http://chiralsoftware.net.
>
>


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hello thomas,

i tested your site on an ntt docomo nec p504is (coming to europe soon) and
it works well. different font colorus rendered and nice icons images. the
sat1txt gif(?) logo is a little pixalated on the s & a.

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Eitzenberger [mailto:thomas.eitzenberger@...]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:24 PM
To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [wmlprogramming] New WURFL test site


Hi Boys !

I am giving Lucas new XOM based API and the current wurfl.xml a test shot.

We will launch the SAT1 teletext mobile shortly.

If someone wants to test it with more exotic devices (for my benefit and
of course for yours too :o) feel free to get it at

http://games.siemens.at/sat1mtt

I am especially interested in stuff like supporting gif images, doing
xhtml or wml, any troubles with xhtml mode or wml mode

......

Else I didnt find any bug in the new WURFL so I will use it in our
productive environment to be launched before Christmas :o)

All the best and keep WURFL rocking

mfg ET

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hello Luca,

Thanks for the welcome, glad to hear that wmlprogramming is still active.
Ive not had a chance to look at the latest wurfl yet, but i will do shortly.

I am in japan for the next 5 months rpeorting on FOMA, DOCOMO and Vodafone.
there is a hughe array of nec/panasonic clamshall mobiles over here which i
am working my way through. the first is nec p504.

I will feedback my findings if anyone is interested. the hot phone at the
moment is the Panasonic p2102v foma  phone with digital tv, usb to scart,
128mg sd  cart, 2 mg camera/video with auto landscape/portrait, 384k
download.

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: luca [mailto:passani@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:34 AM
To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [wmlprogramming] is this still the main group...


we are here and we are still going strong, Darren.

Welcome back.

Have you seen the WURFL now? what's your opinion about that?
We have been getting a lot of traction since 6 months back....

luca


darren luckett wrote:
> hello,
>
> ive been away from this group for a while. is this still the main
> discussion group for all things european wap/mobile/wml or has luca
> (or one of the others) set^up a new one?
>
> Darren Luckett
>
>
>
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>
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>
>


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I would like to see the WURFL section of XHTML capabilities enriched in
the future. When this happens, it would be good to know
how japanese chtml devices behave on sites devised for XHTML MP devices
and optimized through WURFL.

First big question for you, can last generation chtml devices
access arbitrary XHTML MP sites, as far as you can tell?
If this is the case, we may even consider merging the XHTML and CHTML
sections of the WURFL...

luca

Darren Luckett wrote:
> hello Luca,
>
> Thanks for the welcome, glad to hear that wmlprogramming is still active.
> Ive not had a chance to look at the latest wurfl yet, but i will do
shortly.
>
> I am in japan for the next 5 months rpeorting on FOMA, DOCOMO and Vodafone.
> there is a hughe array of nec/panasonic clamshall mobiles over here which i
> am working my way through. the first is nec p504.
>
> I will feedback my findings if anyone is interested. the hot phone at the
> moment is the Panasonic p2102v foma  phone with digital tv, usb to scart,
> 128mg sd  cart, 2 mg camera/video with auto landscape/portrait, 384k
> download.
>
> Darren

Dear members,

I have a login page that accepts username/password from the client
and calls an external function from wmlscript file to validate them.

After submiting the request the following message is displayed to
me: "unknown file format".

I appreciate if you have a brief look at the following code:

<wml>
<card id="Login" title="Test">
<p>
User ID <input name="txtUserID" title="User Id" />
  Password <input name="txtPassword" type="password" title="Password"/>
<br/>
<anchor title="Login">Login
   <go href="validate.wmls#validatelogin('varName')" method="post"/>
  </anchor>

</p>
</card>
</wml>

I found that the request accesses the gateway after clicking on the
anchor but it is destroyed.

The script function works well with nokia toolkit 3.1

I have configured the mime types in the deployment describtor.

I have tested the application using WAPLITE gateway.

The testing devices is:  Erricson 380s


Thank you

Is there any interest?

thanks,
laszlo

hello luca,



"First big question for you, can last generation chtml devices
access arbitrary XHTML MP sites, as far as you can tell?"

can you give me some urls to test?

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: passani@... [mailto:passani@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 5:48 AM
To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [wmlprogramming] is this still the main group...



I would like to see the WURFL section of XHTML capabilities enriched in
the future. When this happens, it would be good to know
how japanese chtml devices behave on sites devised for XHTML MP devices
and optimized through WURFL.

First big question for you, can last generation chtml devices
access arbitrary XHTML MP sites, as far as you can tell?
If this is the case, we may even consider merging the XHTML and CHTML
sections of the WURFL...

luca

Darren Luckett wrote:
> hello Luca,
>
> Thanks for the welcome, glad to hear that wmlprogramming is still active.
> Ive not had a chance to look at the latest wurfl yet, but i will do
shortly.
>
> I am in japan for the next 5 months rpeorting on FOMA, DOCOMO and
Vodafone.
> there is a hughe array of nec/panasonic clamshall mobiles over here which
i
> am working my way through. the first is nec p504.
>
> I will feedback my findings if anyone is interested. the hot phone at the
> moment is the Panasonic p2102v foma  phone with digital tv, usb to scart,
> 128mg sd  cart, 2 mg camera/video with auto landscape/portrait, 384k
> download.
>
> Darren

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Hi all!

I just installed wurfl on my old Linux box, and it runs really slow.
I realise that maybe a P133, 64 MB may not be the optimal server, but
everything else (apache, mysql, darwin streaming server etc.) runs so
smoothly I'm thinking something might be wrong...

Cache is enabled (at least the cachefile is created if I remove it).

I also get weird errors when testing wurfl with a non-existant UA
(for instance SonyEricsson T610/R301):

Warning: Empty Delimiter in xyz/wurfl_class.php on line 344

Any ideas?

HI there

Did any one has try to making login page by using PPHP and WML
Before this I had try but it failed

And the seconfd one did openwave support session handler.

hi people I'm doing a project on Kannel SMS gateway
can I get a guardian Angel to assist me?

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Www.

k_abuhassan <kabuhassan@...> wrote:



Dear members,

I have a login page that accepts username/password from the client
and calls an external function from wmlscript file to validate them.

After submiting the request the following message is displayed to
me: "unknown file format".

I appreciate if you have a brief look at the following code:





User ID  [input]
Password  [input]


Login








I found that the request accesses the gateway after clicking on the
anchor but it is destroyed.

The script function works well with nokia toolkit 3.1

I have configured the mime types in the deployment describtor.

I have tested the application using WAPLITE gateway.

The testing devices is: Erricson 380s


Thank you




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One thing you could try is to only do a WURFL lookup once and cache the
results in a session. I've not measured the performance of the WURFL
but I would be surprised (and very impressed) if looking up a user
agent was faster than grabbing a value from a session.

On 7 Dec 2003, at 22:43, lamebot8 wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I just installed wurfl on my old Linux box, and it runs really slow.
> I realise that maybe a P133, 64 MB may not be the optimal server, but
> everything else (apache, mysql, darwin streaming server etc.) runs so
> smoothly I'm thinking something might be wrong...
>
> Cache is enabled (at least the cachefile is created if I remove it).
>
> I also get weird errors when testing wurfl with a non-existant UA
> (for instance SonyEricsson T610/R301):
>
> Warning: Empty Delimiter in xyz/wurfl_class.php on line 344
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
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>
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That is a good idea, but still the first lookup is prohibitively
slow... I really don't feel like making my users wait for 15 seconds
to retrieve the first page off of my site.

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--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hume <tom@f...> wrote:
> One thing you could try is to only do a WURFL lookup once and cache
the
> results in a session. I've not measured the performance of the
WURFL
> but I would be surprised (and very impressed) if looking up a user
> agent was faster than grabbing a value from a session.
>
> On 7 Dec 2003, at 22:43, lamebot8 wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I just installed wurfl on my old Linux box, and it runs really
slow.
> > I realise that maybe a P133, 64 MB may not be the optimal server,
but
> > everything else (apache, mysql, darwin streaming server etc.)
runs so
> > smoothly I'm thinking something might be wrong...
> >
> > Cache is enabled (at least the cachefile is created if I remove
it).
> >
> > I also get weird errors when testing wurfl with a non-existant UA
> > (for instance SonyEricsson T610/R301):
> >
> > Warning: Empty Delimiter in xyz/wurfl_class.php on line 344
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Please read the FAQ before you ask questions:
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> >
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I clicked on the WAP link with my browser and the response was very fast
(a couple of seconds. I am currently in california, so probably not
close to your server).

I don't know the details of the PHP implementation, but I know that a
whole lot of work is done for building the caches of data the first time
the service is accessed. It's supposed to be very fast after that.

Are you sure you are not looking at the first request only?
alternatively, is it possible that some settings prevent the PHP scripts
from producing the cache files?

Luca

lamebot8 wrote:

> That is a good idea, but still the first lookup is prohibitively
> slow... I really don't feel like making my users wait for 15 seconds
> to retrieve the first page off of my site.
>
> WEB: http://wapmarks.bornholm.se
> WAP: http://wapmarks.bornholm.se/wap
>
> --- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hume <tom@f...> wrote:
>
>>One thing you could try is to only do a WURFL lookup once and cache
>
> the
>
>>results in a session. I've not measured the performance of the
>
> WURFL
>
>>but I would be surprised (and very impressed) if looking up a user
>>agent was faster than grabbing a value from a session.
>>
>>On 7 Dec 2003, at 22:43, lamebot8 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi all!
>>>
>>>I just installed wurfl on my old Linux box, and it runs really
>
> slow.
>
>>>I realise that maybe a P133, 64 MB may not be the optimal server,
>
> but
>
>>>everything else (apache, mysql, darwin streaming server etc.)
>
> runs so
>
>>>smoothly I'm thinking something might be wrong...
>>>
>>>Cache is enabled (at least the cachefile is created if I remove
>
> it).
>
>>>I also get weird errors when testing wurfl with a non-existant UA
>>>(for instance SonyEricsson T610/R301):
>>>
>>>Warning: Empty Delimiter in xyz/wurfl_class.php on line 344
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Please read the FAQ before you ask questions:
>>>http://www.thewirelessfaq.com
>>>
>>>Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming for archive
>
> and
>
>>>subscription options
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>>>
>>
>>---
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>>www.futureplatforms.com
>>e: tom@f...
>>t: +44 (0) 870 0055924
>>m: +44 (0) 7971 781422
>
>
>
>
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We have no complaints with the php implementation, we currently have it
running in a production scenario with the Meteor network with no complaints.
Time delays from lookups are not even noticeable, although we do have fast
scsi drives on our servers. We don't bother doing our own caching in the
session, as the caching mechanism thats already there is good enough.

Although I havent looked too deeply at the code, the caching mechanism seems
to be quite simple and efficient: It serialises the device capabilites data
into variables in cache.php on the first lookup. Another php file
(agent2id.php4) is written which allows for speedy lookups. Subsequent
lookups pull the capabilites directly from arrays that are in memory (ie
were loaded when cache.php was included) using the keys looked up from
agent2id.php4. I'm not too sure about the internals of php memory management
i.e. I dont know if the arrays in cache.php and agent2id.php4 stay in memory
between requests or have to be reloaded every time.

If they DO have to be loaded on every request, surely it would be more
efficient to check the session for the deserialised capabilities data BEFORE
including cache.php and agent2id.php4. Anyway, I don't know who originally
wrote this, but does anyone know if this could be added on or have I misread
the code?

----- Original Message -----
From: "luca" <passani@...>
To: <wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [wmlprogramming] Re: WURFL performance


>
> I clicked on the WAP link with my browser and the response was very fast
> (a couple of seconds. I am currently in california, so probably not
> close to your server).
>
> I don't know the details of the PHP implementation, but I know that a
> whole lot of work is done for building the caches of data the first time
> the service is accessed. It's supposed to be very fast after that.
>
> Are you sure you are not looking at the first request only?
> alternatively, is it possible that some settings prevent the PHP scripts
> from producing the cache files?
>
> Luca
>
> lamebot8 wrote:
>
> > That is a good idea, but still the first lookup is prohibitively
> > slow... I really don't feel like making my users wait for 15 seconds
> > to retrieve the first page off of my site.
> >
> > WEB: http://wapmarks.bornholm.se
> > WAP: http://wapmarks.bornholm.se/wap
> >
> > --- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Tom Hume <tom@f...> wrote:
> >
> >>One thing you could try is to only do a WURFL lookup once and cache
> >
> > the
> >
> >>results in a session. I've not measured the performance of the
> >
> > WURFL
> >
> >>but I would be surprised (and very impressed) if looking up a user
> >>agent was faster than grabbing a value from a session.
> >>
> >>On 7 Dec 2003, at 22:43, lamebot8 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi all!
> >>>
> >>>I just installed wurfl on my old Linux box, and it runs really
> >
> > slow.
> >
> >>>I realise that maybe a P133, 64 MB may not be the optimal server,
> >
> > but
> >
> >>>everything else (apache, mysql, darwin streaming server etc.)
> >
> > runs so
> >
> >>>smoothly I'm thinking something might be wrong...
> >>>
> >>>Cache is enabled (at least the cachefile is created if I remove
> >
> > it).
> >
> >>>I also get weird errors when testing wurfl with a non-existant UA
> >>>(for instance SonyEricsson T610/R301):
> >>>
> >>>Warning: Empty Delimiter in xyz/wurfl_class.php on line 344
> >>>
> >>>Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Please read the FAQ before you ask questions:
> >>>http://www.thewirelessfaq.com
> >>>
> >>>Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming for archive
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>subscription options
> >>>
> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>---
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> >>www.futureplatforms.com
> >>e: tom@f...
> >>t: +44 (0) 870 0055924
> >>m: +44 (0) 7971 781422
> >
> >
> >
> >
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http://www.thewirelessfaq.com
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> >
> >
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>

Hi,



Im having a problem loading a page on some newer nokia phones and im
wondering if anyone has had the same problem or know of any suggestions as
to why this is



My page is a simple asp page :



<%@LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT"%>

<% Response.ContentType = "text/vnd.wap.wml" %>

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>

<!DOCTYPE wml PUBLIC "-//WAPFORUM//DTD WML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/wml_1.1.xml">

<wml>

<card id="poly" title="Ringtone Download">

<p><a href="file.mid">click here to download your ringtone</a></p>

</card>

</wml>



It's a weird problem as most other phones work perfect



Help much appreciated



Adam







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello all,
	 I'm glad someone other than myself is using the PHP code in a production
environment. I have to say, first of all, that the code was developed using PHP
4.0.6
and except a little tweaks it hasn't been modified since the first public
release.

Let's talk about how it works in theory:
1) check for the cache file. If not present or outdated respect to the xml
mtime, it
reads the XML, parses and generates a new cache file. This first step was DAMN
slow with PHP 4.0, got faster with PHP 4.1 and even faster with 4.2. I don't
have any
bechmark with PHP 4.3
2a) check the agent2id file and see if it already knows the user agent, if so it
takes
the ID and read from the cache file. The cache file is huge array with all the
devices,
it takes the appropriate ID and reads the fall_backs up to "generic".
2b) is the device is not in the agent2id it checks for an exact match, if not
found
starts a "slow search" for the most similar device. Once found adds it to
agent2id.
2c) if it could not find any similar device checks the HTTP headers and tries to
understand if it's a WAP device and eventually add it to agent2id.

Eammon, it is necessary to load the cache all the times because the agent2id is
just
a list of "useragent"->"wurfl_id", so it reads the info from the cache file once
it has
understood which id to read.

About the empty delimiter it's strange, I'm sure the class was tested with
non-existant
UA's, but I will check.

How can you make it faster?
1) install a PHP cache such as Turck mmCache, APC 2.0, Zend Accelerator or
whatever you like. From some quite simple benchmarks I noticed that the cache
saves something like 300 CPU cycles!!!
2) install PHP 4.2.3 or above (and enable register_globals)

Things that could be optimized (your contribution would be welcome):
1) agent2id grows to infinite, this means that in a paradox it might get as slow
as
searching in WURFL. A smart idea is something like Luca's classes, just keep the
latest X agents cached. Luca picked 20, I think that the agent2id might grow to
50 or
more without a problem
2) Eammon asked why it loads the cache.php if it has the info in agent2id, the
answer is that agent2id only have a list of UA's a id's, another cool
optimization
would be to store single cache files per device with all the device's
capabilities, this
way would have a direct link to all the known info about the device. Something
like 1
cache file per device. A limit in the number would be smart too.

Removing the necessity for register_globals would be the next optimization, but
this
is not related to speed, but rather security.

Anyone want to contribute? :)

I would be glad if anyone would contribute PHP code. ;)

Best Regards,
	 Andrea

====================
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Could you provide more information of our you wrote the login page? Is it based
on a
database? Basic Authentication? Something else?

- Andrea

On 8 Dec 2003 at 13:13, badz wrote:

> HI there
>
> Did any one has try to making login page by using PPHP and WML
> Before this I had try but it failed
>
> And the seconfd one did openwave support session handler.
>
>
>
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Hi,
Can anyone point me in the direction of a tutorial/document/faq
that'll help me send SP-MIDI ringtones to a variety of Nokia phones?
I'm creating the ringtones and the MIPS with the Nokia Audio Suite,
and uploading the .mid files to a WAP 1.1 page with wml tags, any
time I try to download a tone to my phone (Nokia 3590) I get
an "unrecognized file format" error.
Thanks,
Tjebbe Donner.