Question for the community here.

Nokia N97 and Nokia N97 mini are being modeled as separate devices at
the moment:

http://db.wurflpro.com/device/show/25569

and

http://db.wurflpro.com/device/show/26400

someone questioned this choice and asked whether it wouldn't be a better
idea to make the mini fall-back into the main one.

I observe that Nokia makes a distinction between the two on their
website, so I would rather keep the two separated, but I would love to
hear other opinions...

Luca

You could also try the Opera Mini Demo emulator. Or if you have a Windows box,
running a BlackBerry simulator isn't too hard.

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Marc Guay <marc.guay@...> wrote:
>
> > Have you tested using Firefox User Agent to emulate the phone ?
>
> No, I haven't, but I'm not sure if that would emulate the navigation
> of the phone itself?
>

I have just downloaded version 1.0 of the Java API and I have implemented this
as a filter (not a servlet), as I don't want to be doing redirects on every page
hit.  In any case, I want to use this filter in other java projects, but don't
want to have multiple copies of the wurfl.zip file in each projects WEB-INF
directory.  I'd like to have the directory come from a JNDI entry we have on our
servers, which points to a local directory on each server, instead of putting
the location of the file in the web.xml.  Could someone help me with what code
needs to change, and what it needs to change to?  I've been searching for help,
and I see posts about using the ObjectsManager, but if I try to put that in my
filter, it can't find that class.  I'm not sure that class still exists in wurfl
1.0.

Thanks.

Here you go, Alejandro.

http://t.wurfl.com   =>  storage

(or http://m.wurflpro.com/passani/ts/storage/ )

please fill in a spreadsheet and we will make sure that the data gets
reflected in WURFL (ideally, we will also be able to extrapolate some
general pattern).

Make sure the spreadsheet also reports the UA string or the wurfl ID (so
I can match precisely)

People,of someone can spare 20 minutes or so to test on a few devices
they have available (and report either here or offline to me), please go
ahead.

Thanks

Luca

awoywood wrote:
> Ok, let's do it!
>
> I have in the office right now about 20 phones. We can test all of them in the
next days.
>
> BTW, will you create a new atributte, or use the same max_deck_size ?
>
> --- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Luca Passani <passani@...> wrote:
>
>> awoywood wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, we build a prototype web2wap converter and need the max size of
XHTML/WML pages for splitting the pages.
>>>
>>>
>> makes a lot of sense
>>
>>
>>> We work close with a chilean operator and could run a test on many devices.
But how can we test this effectively? It doesn't seem practical to reload a page
adding 1 char every time until it fails.
>>>
>>>
>> I can create a test and publish it at http://t.wurfl.com
>>
>> I think 5k increases will do.
>>
>> If you run a transcoder-like application, what about adding some
>> business logic to measure how increases in the size of the delivered
>> page affects navigation?
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alejandro Woywood.
>>> PS: we completely honor the transcoder manifesto!
>>>
>>>
>> Good job!
>>
>> Luca
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Alternately, you can modify the webservice.php file and call $teraWurfl->toLog
directly, maybe like this:
> $teraWurfl->toLog("[{$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']}]", (LOG_ERR + 1),
"TW-WebService");

That's pretty close to what I've done now.  Writing a parser for the
log file is just a bit daunting - ideally I'd like this info in a
simple table.


> Are you using the built-in webservice.php for your remote calls?  Is it
working well for you?  I made this webservice because someone requested it but I
haven't received any feedback for it yet.

Yep, and it works wonderfully.  I use simplexml_load_file to pull the
XML file with the results and then use
$xml->device->search->capability[i]->attributes()->value to import the
results into PHP session vars and do what I want with them.  For
anyone doing this, you need to explicity convert the XML node to
whatever PHP vartype you need.  i.e.

$is_wireless_device = $xml->device->search->capability[0]->attributes()->value;
$_SESSION['is_wireless_device'] = (string)$is_wireless_device;

Marc

awoywood wrote:
> Ok, let's do it!
>
> I have in the office right now about 20 phones. We can test all of them in the
next days.
>

fantastic. I will set up the tests and let you know.

> BTW, will you create a new atributte, or use the same max_deck_size ?
>

use the same max_deck_size. It will refer to WML for WML-only devices.
XHTML for everything else.

Luca

vnoel63 wrote:
> Are you aware of <http://www.admob.com/google> ? May this have an impact on
the WURFL development ?
>

certainly not directly. WURFL and AdMob are two very separate things.

Indirect consequences? hard to say, but if there are, they'll probably
be for the better.

Luca

Hi everyone,

I'm looking into finding a way to generate website specific stats
using Tera-WURFL.  I have several sites built and located on different
servers to which I have different levels of access, so I've been using
the webservice feature to get device data remotely.  The problem is
that the current implementation doesn't distinguish between who calls
the service - it just piles all of the data into one cache and one log
file regardless of the website which called it.  My plan is to either
add the $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] and $_REQUEST['ua'] variables to the
log file and then write a parser to filter accordingly.  Even the
thought of this is painful.  Option B is to create a table with the
fields: Datetime, Website, and UserAgent, dump the data in when the
service is called, and then create an interface to get whatever stats
the client is interested in.  This seems to be the smart way, but
still would be time consuming.  I'm wondering if anyone has already
tackled this problem or if anyone has any suggestions on how to
approach it.

Cheers,
Marc

Cristiano

You are correct - however one thing that confuses me a little

The wurfl capabilities has color, and say for an N73 it says "262144" - what
does that figure refer to? number of colors supported?

Then I am wondering - how would you find out what colors fall into that
category?

regards

p.k

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Cristiano Diniz da Silva <cristiano@...>
wrote:
>
> I might be wrong but I think you must be in that old 255 color range for web.
>
>  Cristiano Diniz da Silva
>
> ________________________________
> Web Development & Solutions
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> Coral Springs, Fl
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> Before printing, just keep in mind your commitment with the environment!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ph3n0m <ph3n0m666@...>
> To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 10:29:46 AM
> Subject: [wmlprogramming] Color issues on devices
>
>
> Just wondering I am working on multiple devices and I am wondering how can I
tell what colors will work and what wont.
>
> For example #f1f1f1 wont work on an Nokia N73, and yet #C2C2C2 does render
correctly
>
> Frankly this is baffling me, as its not allowing for a consistent design
across the devices I have targetted
>
> regards
>
> p.k
>

TeraWurfl.php -> Line 257 -> "Exeeded" should be "Exceeded"

Ok, let's do it!

I have in the office right now about 20 phones. We can test all of them in the
next days.

BTW, will you create a new atributte, or use the same max_deck_size ?

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Luca Passani <passani@...> wrote:
>
> awoywood wrote:
> > Hi, we build a prototype web2wap converter and need the max size of
XHTML/WML pages for splitting the pages.
> >
>
> makes a lot of sense
>
> > We work close with a chilean operator and could run a test on many devices.
But how can we test this effectively? It doesn't seem practical to reload a page
adding 1 char every time until it fails.
> >
>
> I can create a test and publish it at http://t.wurfl.com
>
> I think 5k increases will do.
>
> If you run a transcoder-like application, what about adding some
> business logic to measure how increases in the size of the delivered
> page affects navigation?
> > Regards,
> > Alejandro Woywood.
> > PS: we completely honor the transcoder manifesto!
> >
>
> Good job!
>
> Luca
>

p.k,

Christiano is right. If in doubt, go with the base web-safe colours

J

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Cristiano Diniz da Silva <cristiano@...>
wrote:
>
> I might be wrong but I think you must be in that old 255 color range for web.
>
>  Cristiano Diniz da Silva
>
> ________________________________
> Web Development & Solutions
> http://www.mcloide.com
> http://mcloide.wordpress.com
> p. + 1 954 840 4010
> c. + 1 561 809 1928
> Coral Springs, Fl
> PHP5 Zend Certified Engineer
> Before printing, just keep in mind your commitment with the environment!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ph3n0m <ph3n0m666@...>
> To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 10:29:46 AM
> Subject: [wmlprogramming] Color issues on devices
>
>
> Just wondering I am working on multiple devices and I am wondering how can I
tell what colors will work and what wont.
>
> For example #f1f1f1 wont work on an Nokia N73, and yet #C2C2C2 does render
correctly
>
> Frankly this is baffling me, as its not allowing for a consistent design
across the devices I have targetted
>
> regards
>
> p.k
>

> Hi all - I hope this will be my last Release Candidate for Tera-WURFL 2, but I
just want to make sure all the bugs are worked out before I call it stable.  As
I've said before, Tera-WURFL 2 is already more stable than 1.5.2.  I've been
using the codebase for over a year now with my clients.

Hi Steve,

I'm just switching over to RC5 now and noticed that there's an empty
text file custom_web_patch_uas.txt in the data folder.  Otherwise...
looks to be working nicely.  I'll let you know if I noticed anything
else.

Marc

Are you aware of <http://www.admob.com/google> ? May this have an impact on the
WURFL development ?


Vincent

awoywood wrote:
> Hi, we build a prototype web2wap converter and need the max size of XHTML/WML
pages for splitting the pages.
>

makes a lot of sense

> We work close with a chilean operator and could run a test on many devices.
But how can we test this effectively? It doesn't seem practical to reload a page
adding 1 char every time until it fails.
>

I can create a test and publish it at http://t.wurfl.com

I think 5k increases will do.

If you run a transcoder-like application, what about adding some
business logic to measure how increases in the size of the delivered
page affects navigation?
> Regards,
> Alejandro Woywood.
> PS: we completely honor the transcoder manifesto!
>

Good job!

Luca

Hi, we build a prototype web2wap converter and need the max size of XHTML/WML
pages for splitting the pages.

We work close with a chilean operator and could run a test on many devices. But
how can we test this effectively? It doesn't seem practical to reload a page
adding 1 char every time until it fails.

Regards,
Alejandro Woywood.
PS: we completely honor the transcoder manifesto!



--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Luca Passani <passani@...> wrote:
>
>
> Some relatively popular devices have limits of 10k on markup, so this is
> a bit of info you want to know about...
>
> my take is that this capability will be increasingly popular over the
> next few years
>
> Luca
>
> Gail Rahn Frederick wrote:
> >
> >
> > Me, Iā€™m in favor of deprecating max_deck_size for new devices.
> >
> >
> >
> > At what point is the maximum XHTML doc size handled by the mobile
> > browser a useful value for developers? My fancy smartphone might be
> > able to render 100k markup w/ a million linked images, stylesheets and
> > JS libraries, but is that really smart, cachable and efficient mobile
> > web page design?
> >
> >
> >
> >  - Gail
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gail Rahn Frederick* | Mobile Software Architect | o:(206)262-3719 |
> > m:(503)260-0910 | 701 Pike St. #1500 Seattle, WA 98101
> >
> > Medio Systems - The Leader in Mobile Search & Advertising
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Cristiano Diniz
> > da Silva
> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:51 AM
> > *To:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [wmlprogramming] max_deck_size
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we should use it as XHTML pages just to keep a standart. If
> > the value is too low maybe we could create a based on width / height
> > of the phone or image download size.
> >
> > Anyway, these are all suggestions.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Cristiano Diniz da Silva*
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *Web Development & Solutions
> > http://www.mcloide.com
> > http://mcloide.wordpress.com
> > **p. + 1 954 840 4010
> > c. + 1 561 809 1928
> > Coral Springs, Fl
> > **PHP5 Zend Certified Engineer**
> > **Before printing, just keep in mind your commitment with the
> > environment!*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Luca Passani <passani@...>
> > *To:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Sun, November 8, 2009 5:37:09 AM
> > *Subject:* [wmlprogramming] max_deck_size
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > People
> >
> > I think that the max_deck_size capability in WURFL needs some serious
> > fixing.
> >
> > The problem is IMO the different intepretation of the UAProf
> > WmlDeckSize property which has assumed different meaning for different
> > manufacturers( some apply it to XHTML pages, others do not and serve
> > ridiculously low values for it)
> >
> > Do you have any opinion or idea about how we can bring this capability
> > under some contro?
> >
> > As a minimum, I would like to establish some defaults for devices with
> > WebKit based browsers, different versions of Windows Mobile, different
> > versions of Opera and so on...
> >
> > comments? ideas?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Luca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Some relatively popular devices have limits of 10k on markup, so this is
a bit of info you want to know about...

my take is that this capability will be increasingly popular over the
next few years

Luca

Gail Rahn Frederick wrote:
>
>
> Me, Iā€™m in favor of deprecating max_deck_size for new devices.
>
>
>
> At what point is the maximum XHTML doc size handled by the mobile
> browser a useful value for developers? My fancy smartphone might be
> able to render 100k markup w/ a million linked images, stylesheets and
> JS libraries, but is that really smart, cachable and efficient mobile
> web page design?
>
>
>
>  - Gail
>
>
>
> *Gail Rahn Frederick* | Mobile Software Architect | o:(206)262-3719 |
> m:(503)260-0910 | 701 Pike St. #1500 Seattle, WA 98101
>
> Medio Systems - The Leader in Mobile Search & Advertising
>
>
>
> *From:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Cristiano Diniz
> da Silva
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:51 AM
> *To:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [wmlprogramming] max_deck_size
>
>
>
>
>
> I think we should use it as XHTML pages just to keep a standart. If
> the value is too low maybe we could create a based on width / height
> of the phone or image download size.
>
> Anyway, these are all suggestions.
>
>
>
> *Cristiano Diniz da Silva*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Web Development & Solutions
> http://www.mcloide.com
> http://mcloide.wordpress.com
> **p. + 1 954 840 4010
> c. + 1 561 809 1928
> Coral Springs, Fl
> **PHP5 Zend Certified Engineer**
> **Before printing, just keep in mind your commitment with the
> environment!*
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Luca Passani <passani@...>
> *To:* wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sun, November 8, 2009 5:37:09 AM
> *Subject:* [wmlprogramming] max_deck_size
>
>
>
>
> People
>
> I think that the max_deck_size capability in WURFL needs some serious
> fixing.
>
> The problem is IMO the different intepretation of the UAProf
> WmlDeckSize property which has assumed different meaning for different
> manufacturers( some apply it to XHTML pages, others do not and serve
> ridiculously low values for it)
>
> Do you have any opinion or idea about how we can bring this capability
> under some contro?
>
> As a minimum, I would like to establish some defaults for devices with
> WebKit based browsers, different versions of Windows Mobile, different
> versions of Opera and so on...
>
> comments? ideas?
>
> Thank you
>
> Luca
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the info. With these being the substantive differences I will keep
only one entry at the db. Since the resolution width / height remains the same.

Thanks for the info.

Regards

Cristiano

--- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Abbott" <chris@...> wrote:
>
> The slide has Ovi Contacts and Ovi Maps, and Nokia Messaging instead of
OzEmail. In this case there donā€™t appear to be any substantive differences
other than that (except the standby times seem to be greater on the Slide).
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cristiano Diniz da Silva
> Sent: 09 November 2009 14:13
> To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [wmlprogramming] Nokia 6790s
>
>
>
>
>
> Do you guys know already what are the differences from capabilities ?
>
>
>
> Cristiano Diniz da Silva
>
>   _____
>
> Web Development & Solutions
> http://www.mcloide.com
> http://mcloide.wordpress.com
> p. + 1 954 840 4010
> c. + 1 561 809 1928
> Coral Springs, Fl
> PHP5 Zend Certified Engineer
> Before printing, just keep in mind your commitment with the environment!
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Chris Abbott <chris@...>
> To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 6:32:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [wmlprogramming] Nokia 6790s
>
>
>
> I forgot to mention that the 1c variant is called the ā€œ6790 Slideā€ not the
ā€œ6790 Surgeā€. There are also slight differences in capability and preloaded
apps.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: wmlprogramming@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:wmlprogramm ing@yahoogroups.
com] On Behalf Of Luca Passani
> Sent: 09 November 2009 10:16
> To: wmlprogramming@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [wmlprogramming] Nokia 6790s
>
>
>
>
>
> Just got this info, which may be of interest to quite a few here
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ---
> Nokia 6790s is two phones: the 1b variant is the Nokia 6790 Surge in the US
> (exclusively for AT&T so far), and the 1c variant is for Latin America
> (excluding Brazil).
>
> Feel free to post this to wmlprogramming if this is new information and
> anyone would be interested
>

Just got this info, which may be of interest to quite a few here

---------------------------------
Nokia 6790s is two phones: the 1b variant is the Nokia 6790 Surge in the US
(exclusively for AT&T so far), and the 1c variant is for Latin America
(excluding Brazil).

Feel free to post this to wmlprogramming if this is new information and
anyone would be interested