Dear all,

For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.

Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

Thanks,

Filip

On 31/01/2011 20.37, Filip Cooreman wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.
>
> Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
> Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

the problem is that Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that
developers should not be able to tell iPhone 3 and 4 programmatically by looking
at HTTP headers alone.

I think Max Firtman had found a trick to recognize the difference client-side
with JavaScript. Have you looked at the WMLProgramming archive?

Luca

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On 31/01/2011 20.37, Filip Cooreman wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.
>
> Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
> Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

the problem is that Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that
developers should not be able to tell iPhone 3 and 4 programmatically by looking
at HTTP headers alone.

I think Max Firtman had found a trick to recognize the difference client-side
with JavaScript. Have you looked at the WMLProgramming archive?

Luca

People, we think we may have found a smart way to infer a good value for the xhtml_file_upload API out of crowdsourced data.

Before I go ahead and add the info, though, I would like some manual tests to confirm that we are on the right track (we tested a few and everything checks out so far).

At the end of the page, you'll find a list of WURFL IDs for which we intend to set the value of the file upload capability to either supported or unsupported. If you have any of those devices in your drawer, can you let us know whether the device supports file upload or not?

If in doubt, you can visit http://t.wurfl.com and find the test under the "xhtml_ui" group.

Please report about make and model, but also the UA string if possible.

Thank you

Luca

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Come on, people. A little less inanimation and a little more action, please.

Do the devices in your drawer support file upload?

Thanks

Luca

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Luca Passani <luca.passani@...> wrote:

People, we think we may have found a smart way to infer a good value for the xhtml_file_upload API out of crowdsourced data.

Before I go ahead and add the info, though, I would like some manual tests to confirm that we are on the right track (we tested a few and everything checks out so far).

At the end of the page, you'll find a list of WURFL IDs for which we intend to set the value of the file upload capability to either supported or unsupported. If you have any of those devices in your drawer, can you let us know whether the device supports file upload or not?

If in doubt, you can visit http://t.wurfl.com and find the test under the "xhtml_ui" group.

Please report about make and model, but also the UA string if possible.

Thank you

Luca

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On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Luca Passani <luca.passani@...> wrote:

On 31/01/2011 20.37, Filip Cooreman wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.
>
> Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
> Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

the problem is that Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that
developers should not be able to tell iPhone 3 and 4 programmatically by looking
at HTTP headers alone.

I am starting to think the only people that have gotten UA's remotely correct is Windows Phone 7 and possibly blackberry.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM, David Rubin <davidrub@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Luca Passani <luca.passani@...> wrote:

On 31/01/2011 20.37, Filip Cooreman wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.
>
> Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
> Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

the problem is that Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that
developers should not be able to tell iPhone 3 and 4 programmatically by looking
at HTTP headers alone.

I am starting to think the only people that have gotten UA's remotely correct is Windows Phone 7 and possibly blackberry.

 

What is in a User-Agent string that makes it "right"?

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Andrea Trasatti <andrea@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM, David Rubin <davidrub@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Luca Passani <luca.passani@...> wrote:

On 31/01/2011 20.37, Filip Cooreman wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> For the moment, we do a lot of tests with the iPhone 3 and iPhone 4, because it is the most popular mobile device that is used for our project.
>
> Now, when I do a search with the userAgent of a iPhone 4 in the latest wurfl.xml, I will get the capabilities of a iPhone 3, but the iPhone 4 has a higer resolution then the iPhone 3.
> Is there another way to have the right resolution of the device based on the userAgent ?

the problem is that Steve Jobs, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that
developers should not be able to tell iPhone 3 and 4 programmatically by looking
at HTTP headers alone.

I am starting to think the only people that have gotten UA's remotely correct is Windows Phone 7 and possibly blackberry.

 

What is in a User-Agent string that makes it "right"?

Well since there isn't a "spec" it is hard to say, but looking at both Blackberry and Windows Phone 7 UA's you can see the exact
1) Browser version
2) Os Version
3) Device make and model

It makes it very easy to "detect" and thus figure out exactly what is going on.

 

No, the Tera-WURFL project uses the same wurfl.xml, but it uses different user agent matchers and normalization functions.  The result is probably because the latest Tera-WURFL removes the "-update1" from the user agent and matches it to the corresponding entry in the WURFL.

Thanks,

Steve Kamerman

www.Tera-WURFL.com

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Michael Meier <defaultmm@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for the anwsers.  So, the tera-wurfl project use a differetn wurfl.xml file? --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Filippo De Luca <filosganga80@...> wrote: From: Filippo De Luca <filosganga80@...> Subject: Re: [wmlprogramming] Wurfl JAVA API question To: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:43 AM   Hi, Yes, you are using it correctly. It does not match, because the device is missed in wurfl.xml. 2011/1/20 defaultmm <defaultmm@...>   Hi I new to the Wurfl JAVA API and i'm not sure if i use it correctly. Is it correct if i that i only need these calls to search for a existing device with an UserAgent? WURFLHolder wurflHolder = new CustomWURFLHolder(path_to_wurfl.xml); WURFLManager wurfl = wurflHolder.getWURFLManager(); Device device = wurfl.getDeviceForRequest(UserAgent); Also i have a User Agent that is mapped as generic_xhtml but the Tera-Wurfl found the right device. UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1-update1; de-ch; SonyEricssonX10i Build/2.0.A.0.504) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17 I'm usind the last Version of the API (1.2.1) and wurfl.xml file. -- Filippo De Luca -------------------------- Email: dl.filippo@... Web:   http://filosganga.it LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/filippodeluca skype: filosganga80 mobile: +393395822588