In a message dated 6/17/06 8:17:19 AM, kevin@... writes:

> I believe that it might be better worded, "this is the 'System 
> Folder' or 'System (Mac OS 9)' folder ('System' is the OS X system 
> folder)."
>
> -Kevin
>

But the instructions from John Rethorst specifically said NOT  “System” or
“
System (Mac OS 9)”. 

Ruth R.

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> On Jun 16, 2006, at 6:51 PM, RBRoufberg@... wrote:
>
> > I am trying to update my conversions folder according to John 
> > Rethorst's
> > instructions and am having trouble at this part:
> >
> > ================================
> > MacLinkPlus WordPerfect 3
> >
> >      Put in the Extensions folder of the System folder. If you’re 
> > on OSX,
> > this is the “System Folder”, not “System” or “System (Mac OS
9)”. 
> > If you can’t
> > find a System Folder, go to the Classic prefpane, where the 
> > location will be
> > indicated. If you don’t have a Classic prefpane, you need to 
> > install Classic.
> > ==================================
> >
> > I am using OSX, but do not have a folder named "System Folder."   I 
> > do have
> > both of the ones that are not to be used.    I don't know what Classic
> > "prefpane" is, and when I used "find," it was not located.     
> > Classic is already
> > installed on my commputer.   What next?
> >
> > Ruth R.
>
>
>



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In a message dated 6/17/06 8:17:19 AM, kevin@... writes:


> I believe that it might be better worded, "this is the 'System 
> Folder' or 'System (Mac OS 9)' folder ('System' is the OS X system 
> folder)."
>
> -Kevin
>
But the instructions from John Rethorst specifically said



On Jun 16, 2006, at 6:51 PM, RBRoufberg@... wrote:
>
> > I am trying to update my conversions folder according to John 
> > Rethorst's
> > instructions and am having trouble at this part:
> >
> > ================================
> > MacLinkPlus WordPerfect 3
> >
> >      Put in the Extensions folder of the System folder. If you’re 
> > on OSX,
> > this is the “System Folder”, not “System” or “System (Mac OS
9)”. 
> > If you can’t
> > find a System Folder, go to the Classic prefpane, where the 
> > location will be
> > indicated. If you don’t have a Classic prefpane, you need to 
> > install Classic.
> > ==================================
> >
> > I am using OSX, but do not have a folder named "System Folder."   I 
> > do have
> > both of the ones that are not to be used.    I don't know what Classic
> > "prefpane" is, and when I used "find," it was not located.     
> > Classic is already
> > installed on my commputer.   What next?
> >
> > Ruth R.
>
>
>



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I get the exact same thing - always Charcoal 13, which is a font I have never
even used in the past.   It always happens when copying the text of an email
into a WordPerfect document, and frequently when pasting something from
certain Internet sites.

What would happen if I deleted Charcoal from my fonts?

With all the aberrations that come from using WordPerfect in Classic on an
OSX 10.4 iMac G5, I have been wondering whether I ought to partition the hard
disk and boot into OS 9 directly when I want to use WordPerfect.   If that is a
viable option, how is it done?

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In a message dated 6/17/06 12:11:08 AM, hacky8sack@... writes:

> Does anyone know how to prevent this problem? I often copy text from
> various sources and paste into wordperfect files, using wp3.5e running
> in classic under OSX. Frequently the text appears in the file in a
> weird font and size -- like charcoal, size 13 -- no matter what the
> original font or the default font in wp are. This happens every time
> if I cut and paste a message from a netscape email, for example. I can
> fix this (thanks to show codes) but it's annoying. Never used to
> happen in OS 9.
>
>



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Ruth

I don't think a G% iMac can boot in OS9, but I'm not an expert.
Charcoal is probably the system font for Classic - I use Sand so the
effects are even more striking. I just paste special as text. That
also gets rid of any html detritus.

geoff

>I get the exact same thing - always Charcoal 13, which is a font I have never
>even used in the past.   It always happens when copying the text of an email
>into a WordPerfect document, and frequently when pasting something from
>certain Internet sites.
>
>What would happen if I deleted Charcoal from my fonts?
>
>With all the aberrations that come from using WordPerfect in Classic on an
>OSX 10.4 iMac G5, I have been wondering whether I ought to partition the hard
>disk and boot into OS 9 directly when I want to use WordPerfect.
>If that is a
>viable option, how is it done?
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>In a message dated 6/17/06 12:11:08 AM, hacky8sack@... writes:
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>>  Does anyone know how to prevent this problem? I often copy text from
>>  various sources and paste into wordperfect files, using wp3.5e running
>>  in classic under OSX. Frequently the text appears in the file in a
>>  weird font and size -- like charcoal, size 13 -- no matter what the
>>  original font or the default font in wp are. This happens every time
>>  if I cut and paste a message from a netscape email, for example. I can
>>  fix this (thanks to show codes) but it's annoying. Never used to
>>  happen in OS 9.
>>
>>
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I was using MSIE 5.1.7 till it started choking on the Yahoo mail.
Switched to the only other browser that sort of works on my Mac (PPC
9650 OS 9.2.2) and now anything I copy off any web page and paste into
any word processor becomes Charcoal.
So, the problem is probably not Word Perfect or OS X running in
classic, but rather something to do with browsers and web pages.
Just an idea you can check out before going to the trouble of
partitioning for OS 9 (which isn't a bad idea, for Macs that support it).

Michael

I get the font change sometimes, mostly when pasting from Safari pages. I've
assigned a keystroke to WP's Paste Text command for an easy workaround,
but one which loses formatting. If I need to retain formatting, revealing codes
and deleting the extraneous font (and maybe size) code at the beginning of
the pasted text does it. That would be inconvenient if I needed to do it very
often, but Paste Text is almost always fine.

My G4 iMac (17" flat panel) won't boot into OS 9, but I've never missed it.
WP 3.5e apparently runs even better in Classic than in 9.

John R.

The Classic prefpane is one of the windows, or panes, available when you
open OSX System Preferences. It should be in the fourth row, second from
the left.

The Classic prefpane will tell you which folder is your System Folder for OS 9.
You have to have a Classic prefpane (i.e. Classic must be installed), since
you're running WP.

This folder has a folder within it named Extensions. The other two "System"
folders both open to show only a single folder named Library. These are
not the ones you want.

Go to the other one, as named and located in the Classic prefpane, open it
and find the Extensions folder within it. Put the MacLink extension in that
folder. Then, from the Classic prefpane, restart Classic.

Also, it's a good idea to rebuild your Classic desktop every month or so.
This is also done from the Classic prefpane.

John R.

I have a late G4 on OSX 10.4.6, which doesn't support 9.2.2 (called Classic when
OS X is
running also) as a start-up Operating System, only as Classic.  I just opened my
Internet
Explorer and noticed that it is IE 5.0 running on Classic.  I also found from
the MS site that
MS no longer supports IE for Macs.

Today I also copied a NY Times article and pasted (not Paste Special)  it to my
WP 3.5e with
no problem�no Charcoal showing up or anything.  I did this from both IE
(Ckassic) and
from Safari (OSX).  The photos did not copy at all.

I don't think you should (or need to) partition your disk for 9.2.2 or Classic,
because if
you're running WP 3.5, you've already got and are running Classic, which is
(almost) the
same as 9.2.2.

  If you want to run (or see if you can run) 9.2.2 exclusively, go to your OS X
Preferences
(under the top left Apple), click on Start-up disk, wait a few moments, and see
if 9.2.2
shows up.  If it does, you can click on it, answer yes to all the questions
(Save your stuff
first!), and the computer will restart exclusively in OS 9.2.2 (or whatever
version you have).
You WON'T be able to run anything that is OS X native (e.g., Safari(I think),
newer Adobe
programs, perhaps MS Word for OS X, OS X-supported printers, etc.), and you may
not be
able to get internet access unless you've done so before from 9.2.x and have
configured
your computer accordingly (barring software conflicts).  You will have to do
something
similar to get back to OS X, but in this case, start by looking under the
Control Panels of
9.2.2 (at this point NOT called Classic) and choosing Start-up Disk, etc.  SOME
Macs (like
mine)  do not allow you to start from OS 9.2.2, but if you can get from OSX to
9.2.2, you
can get back to OS X, which will then run WP 3.5 under Classic.  What's
happening is that
the Mac is running two operating systems and switching back and forth between
OSX and
Classic [9.2.x], but you don't notice it unless you look at the top of your
screen�usually
the font of the headings changes.  DON'T delete Charcoal;  I did something like
that once
and discovered it's part of the display fonts for the operating system;  bells
and chimes
started chiming, warnings appeared, dire ones.

And if your computer will support (i.e., run on) 9.2.2 but doesn't have it, you
can install it
from disks which came with your computer or have someone do it for you.  Just
remember
that usually, running on 9.2.2 means the computer won't automatically switch you
back (or
run on) to OS X and its applications;  you make it do so via a series of steps
described
above.

MacBooks do NOT run on Classic or 9.2.2 at all (yet, although you can find
discussion here
in a different list of messages�I don't know the name offhand).

Let us know what you find.  I've found that you can also get help from your
local Apple
dealer (a real person, in other words) if you don't want to navigate an
Apple.com phone
tree or knowledge base.  I've found Mac people in two stores in two states to be
really
helpful�they take the time!

Daryl Chinn

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "cdicmkan" <cdicmkan@...> wrote:
>
>
> I was using MSIE 5.1.7 till it started choking on the Yahoo mail.
> Switched to the only other browser that sort of works on my Mac (PPC
> 9650 OS 9.2.2) and now anything I copy off any web page and paste into
> any word processor becomes Charcoal.
> So, the problem is probably not Word Perfect or OS X running in
> classic, but rather something to do with browsers and web pages.
> Just an idea you can check out before going to the trouble of
> partitioning for OS 9 (which isn't a bad idea, for Macs that support it).
>
> Michael
>

> I also found from the MS site that MS no longer supports IE
> for Macs.

That's right, but you can still download IE from several net
sites, in both Classic and OSX versions.

John R.

Yes but the last version 5.2.3 is about 6 years old and has all the
flaws in IE at that time until today. IE for Mac would be a relatively
dangerous product to use on a Mac. And is Not W3C standards compatible.

John Rethorst wrote:
>
>
>  > I also found from the MS site that MS no longer supports IE
>  > for Macs.
>
> That's right, but you can still download IE from several net
> sites, in both Classic and OSX versions.
>
> John R.
>
>

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mailto:pjones@...

Sorry, I did not know IE was available for OS X as well as 9.

Daryl

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Phillip Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes but the last version 5.2.3 is about 6 years old and has all the
> flaws in IE at that time until today. IE for Mac would be a relatively
> dangerous product to use on a Mac. And is Not W3C standards compatible.
>
> John Rethorst wrote:
> >
> >
> >  > I also found from the MS site that MS no longer supports IE
> >  > for Macs.
> >
> > That's right, but you can still download IE from several net
> > sites, in both Classic and OSX versions.
> >
> > John R.
> >
> >
>
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> If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!
>
> mailto:pjones@...
>

Yes, IE is still available. but the OSX version has not updated since
May of 2001. Gates pulled all support and upkeep from IE as soon as he
found out Steve Jobs was going to include Mail and Safari.

He picked up all his marbles and said fine if that's the way you want it
I'm not playing anymore. All Jobs was doing was adding an alternative,
Not very good alternatives, but ones anyway. Safari is a repackaged UNIX
Web Browser the UNIX community has abandoned because it had been patched
so many times, they had run out of ideas how to fix bugs. That's how he
picked it up. The UNIX version hasn't been updated in about 7 years or
more. The only Web Browsers that are being kept up to date on Mac today
are FireFox/SeaMonkey, and Opera. Everything else major is stagnant.

Daryl Ngee Chinn wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I did not know IE was available for OS X as well as 9.
>
> Daryl
>
> --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:wordperfectmac%40yahoogroups.com>, "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."
> <pjones1@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Yes but the last version 5.2.3 is about 6 years old and has all the
>  > flaws in IE at that time until today. IE for Mac would be a relatively
>  > dangerous product to use on a Mac. And is Not W3C standards compatible.
>  >
>  > John Rethorst wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > I also found from the MS site that MS no longer supports IE
>  > > > for Macs.
>  > >
>  > > That's right, but you can still download IE from several net
>  > > sites, in both Classic and OSX versions.
>  > >
>  > > John R.
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
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>  >
>  > If it's "fixed", don't "break it"!

I'm mostly a reader of this group and I seldom post if not at all, but I cannot
let this
email go by without at least trying to correct the facts...

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Phillip Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, IE is still available. but the OSX version has not updated since
> May of 2001. Gates pulled all support and upkeep from IE as soon as he
> found out Steve Jobs was going to include Mail and Safari.

	 Mail was part of Mac OS X from day one, yet MSIE was also available at that
time, and
new versions came out afterwards, so "Gates" did not pull out support for MSIE
the minute
he found out Steve Jobs was going to include Mail.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/macos-x-16.html

	 Support for MSIE was withdrawn in May 2003, in the wake of the January MacWorld
expo where "Gates" learned that "Steve Jobs" was developing in-house a new web
browser
named Safari. At that time, Microsoft was developing a new version of MSIE in
line with
MSIE 7 for Windows, but the effort was deemed useless in the light of Safari's
development. Moreover, the decision was in line with the then current goal at
Microsoft to
eliminate MSIE as an standalone application and embed it even further into
Windows.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2003/06/13/explorer/
http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/msie_mac.xhtml

> He picked up all his marbles and said fine if that's the way you want it
> I'm not playing anymore. All Jobs was doing was adding an alternative,
> Not very good alternatives, but ones anyway. Safari is a repackaged UNIX
> Web Browser the UNIX community has abandoned because it had been patched
> so many times, they had run out of ideas how to fix bugs. That's how he
> picked it up.

Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This code base was
selected
instead of Gecko (the code-base behind Firefox) because it was/is open-source
and the
code was/is much lighter and much less complex than Gecko.

http://dot.kde.org/1041971213/
http://www.mozilla.org/browser-innovation.html
http://dbaron.org/log/2003-01#l20030109

> The UNIX version hasn't been updated in about 7 years or more.

Konqueror is part of KDE (K Desktop Environment), a Linux front-end bringing a
graphical
interface to Linux. (Linux, although unixish, is not really a flavour of Unix
like FreeBSD,
one basis of Mac OS X). Konqueror is used extensively in KDE as the file
manager. As you
can see, in Konqueror's news page, KHTML was actively developed (and far from
being in a
state of decay) at the time Apple adopted the KHTML code-base as the basis for
Safari,
and development is ongoing as of today.

http://www.konqueror.org/
http://www.konqueror.org/news.php

> The only Web Browsers that are being kept up to date on Mac today
> are FireFox/SeaMonkey, and Opera. Everything else major is stagnant.

This conveniently forgets Safari, as mentioned above, as well as Camino, which
is based
on the Gecko engine just like FireFox.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/safari/
Safari development page : http://webkit.opendarwin.org/
Safari's latest build : http://nightly.webkit.org/

Camino development page : http://www.caminobrowser.org/
Camino's latest build : http://www.caminobrowser.org/download/releases/nightly/

A somewhat complete list can be seen here (MSIE for Classic Mac OS can be
downloaded
from a link on this page too) :

http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html

Please check you facts before being so affirmative.

Yours,

Pascal Lessard

> Daryl Ngee Chinn wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I did not know IE was available for OS X as well as 9.
> >
> > Daryl
> >
> > --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:wordperfectmac%40yahoogroups.com>, "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."
> > <pjones1@> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Yes but the last version 5.2.3 is about 6 years old and has all the
> >  > flaws in IE at that time until today. IE for Mac would be a relatively
> >  > dangerous product to use on a Mac. And is Not W3C standards compatible.
> >  >
> >  > John Rethorst wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > > I also found from the MS site that MS no longer supports IE
> >  > > > for Macs.
> >  > >
> >  > > That's right, but you can still download IE from several net
> >  > > sites, in both Classic and OSX versions.
> >  > >
> >  > > John R.

> Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This
> code base was selected instead of Gecko (the code-base
> behind Firefox) because it was/is open-source and the code
> was/is much lighter and much less complex than Gecko.

Firefox gets enough good press these days, but for my
[lower-level] needs, Safari just has better integration with OSX,
especially the dictionary. I spend a fair amount of time (OK, much
too much time) reading web pages on various topics and
frequently want to check a word in the dictionary. In Safari, hover
the mouse over the word and press a keystroke you've assigned;
a popup window gives you a short definition and a button to go
to the standard dictionary window. I tried to get this to work in
Firefox but could not. Has anyone been able to?

On the other side of things, I understand Firefox has a plugin that
lets you download YouTube videos, which site apparently is the
new favorite on the web .  .  .

John R.

> Support for MSIE was withdrawn in May 2003, in the wake of the January
> MacWorld expo where "Gates" learned that "Steve Jobs" was developing
> in-house a new web >browser named Safari. At that time, Microsoft was
> developing a new version of MSIE in line with MSIE 7 for Windows, but the
> effort was deemed useless in the light of Safari's development. Moreover,
> the decision was in line with the then current goal at Microsoft to
> eliminate MSIE as an standalone application and embed it even further
> into Windows.

See what I am talking about. According th the Get info information 5.2.3
was upload to MS Server May 2001.

Jobs only put out Safari as something for Mac users to play with. Its a
repackage version of a UNIX Web Browser That has long been abandoned
by the UNIX community because it had been patched so many times it
couldn't be patched anymore.

If Gates had had such a penchant for getting upset, and walking away.
Safari might have been but a distant memory.

> Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This code base
> was selected instead of Gecko (the code-base behind Firefox) because
> it was/is open-source and the code was/is much lighter and much less
> complex than Gecko.

Gecko, is also open Source. all they have to do is go to Mozilla website and
look.

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Off-topic question:

Does anyone else have intermittent keyboard problems with Firefox and/or
Thunderbird? I'm on a late G4 PB 17" running 10.4.6. Sometimes, I just
can't get characters to type in various areas of either app. Like the
search bar, or To: fields, etc. I can point at things with the mouse,
but typing acts just as though the area does not have the focus. A
restart of the app solves it.  Just wondering if anyone else ever sees
this behavior.

Doug

John Rethorst wrote:
>> Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This
>> code base was selected instead of Gecko (the code-base
>> behind Firefox) because it was/is open-source and the code
>> was/is much lighter and much less complex than Gecko.
>>
>
> Firefox gets enough good press these days, but for my
> [lower-level] needs, Safari just has better integration with OSX,
> especially the dictionary. I spend a fair amount of time (OK, much
> too much time) reading web pages on various topics and
> frequently want to check a word in the dictionary. In Safari, hover
> the mouse over the word and press a keystroke you've assigned;
> a popup window gives you a short definition and a button to go
> to the standard dictionary window. I tried to get this to work in
> Firefox but could not. Has anyone been able to?
>
> On the other side of things, I understand Firefox has a plugin that
> lets you download YouTube videos, which site apparently is the
> new favorite on the web .  .  .
>
> John R.
>
>

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Bouley <djbouley@...> wrote:
>
> Off-topic question:
>
> Does anyone else have intermittent keyboard problems with Firefox and/or
> Thunderbird? I'm on a late G4 PB 17" running 10.4.6. Sometimes, I just
> can't get characters to type in various areas of either app. Like the
> search bar, or To: fields, etc. I can point at things with the mouse,
> but typing acts just as though the area does not have the focus. A
> restart of the app solves it.  Just wondering if anyone else ever sees
> this behavior.
>
I have an idenical set-up and also had a G4 PB 15.  The problem I had and still
have with
Firefox (in both machines) is that in Firefox, photographs wouldn't open,
particularly in
newspapers, but also with my YahooMail account, where icons or other graphics
won't show.
It isnt't a big problem, but it's annoying so say to myself, "Guess I'll have to
switch browsers."
Lucky that I can do that, I guess.

Daryl

I get the feeling this discussion isn't going anywhere, but I think I must
respond anyway...

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Phillip M Jones" <pjones1@...> wrote:
> See what I am talking about. According th the Get info information 5.2.3
> was upload to MS Server May 2001.

Had you followed the link included in my last mail, you would have seen
that MSIE was discontinued in May 2003. Please do not rewrite history.

> Jobs only put out Safari as something for Mac users to play with. Its a
> repackage version of a UNIX Web Browser That has long been abandoned
> by the UNIX community because it had been patched so many times it
> couldn't be patched anymore.

Had you followed the link included in my last mail, you would have seen
that the code Safari is based on is a /Linux/ browser called Konqueror.
It was actively developed back in 2003 and still is as of today. There is
no such thing as a "repackaged version of a UNIX Web Browser that has
long been abandoned by the UNIX community" in Safari. Please do
not rewrite history.

Safari is not a toy "for Mac users to play with", but a state-of-the-art
browser, whether you like it or not. So good in fact that Nokia is using
WebKit (Safari's rendering engine) to power the browser of its latest phones.

> > Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This code base
> > was selected instead of Gecko (the code-base behind Firefox) because
> > it was/is open-source and the code was/is much lighter and much less
> > complex than Gecko.
>
> Gecko, is also open Source. all they have to do is go to Mozilla website
> and look.

I never said Gecko is not open source. What I meant to say is that KHTML
is /also/ open source and the code-base is much cleaner and lighter, and
this is why it was selected. Had you followed the link included in my last
mail, you would have seen that even the Mozilla foundation agrees that
Gecko's code base is messy and unwieldy.

Very odd. My rig doesn't seem to have any problem with photos <knock on
wood>. Something is just a touch off, perhaps on my end. Sometimes, I
just use Safari instead. Seems pretty solid. Thinking about going back
to Apple mail, too. I forget now why I switched ;-)


Daryl Ngee Chinn wrote:
> --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Bouley <djbouley@...> wrote:
>
>> Off-topic question:
>>
>> Does anyone else have intermittent keyboard problems with Firefox and/or
>> Thunderbird? I'm on a late G4 PB 17" running 10.4.6. Sometimes, I just
>> can't get characters to type in various areas of either app. Like the
>> search bar, or To: fields, etc. I can point at things with the mouse,
>> but typing acts just as though the area does not have the focus. A
>> restart of the app solves it.  Just wondering if anyone else ever sees
>> this behavior.
>>
>>
> I have an idenical set-up and also had a G4 PB 15.  The problem I had and
still have with
> Firefox (in both machines) is that in Firefox, photographs wouldn't open,
particularly in
> newspapers, but also with my YahooMail account, where icons or other graphics
won't show.
> It isnt't a big problem, but it's annoying so say to myself, "Guess I'll have
to switch browsers."
> Lucky that I can do that, I guess.
>
> Daryl
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I've tried Firefox a couple of times in both Mac and Win versions,
and for the life of me, I just can't see what all the rave press is
about. I was underwhelmed with it, to say the least.

I've rarely had anything to complain about with Safari. As a matter
of fact, a couple of sites that insist they are optimized for IE work
better for me under Safari. This is anecdotal, but one college's web
mail program (a Microsoft product, Outlook [not Outlook Express]),
would never work properly if I tried to update my password under IE.
It *always* worked under Safari.

And just to clarify comments made earlier about Jobs's decision to
include Mail in OSX: the real reason is that OSX is based on Unix,
and a mail function was always included as part of the Unix OS.
--Rick Albright

On Jun 25, 2006, at 3:24 PM, John Rethorst wrote:

> > Safari's code base is KHTML, also known as Konqueror. This
> > code base was selected instead of Gecko (the code-base
> > behind Firefox) because it was/is open-source and the code
> > was/is much lighter and much less complex than Gecko.
>
> Firefox gets enough good press these days, but for my
> [lower-level] needs, Safari just has better integration with OSX,
> especially the dictionary. I spend a fair amount of time (OK, much
> too much time) reading web pages on various topics and
> frequently want to check a word in the dictionary. In Safari, hover
> the mouse over the word and press a keystroke you've assigned;
> a popup window gives you a short definition and a button to go
> to the standard dictionary window. I tried to get this to work in
> Firefox but could not. Has anyone been able to?
>
> On the other side of things, I understand Firefox has a plugin that
> lets you download YouTube videos, which site apparently is the
> new favorite on the web . . .
>
> John R.
>
>
>

=========================================================
"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual
warfare."
--James Madison, 1793

Rick Albright
logres@...

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Rick Albright <logres@...> wrote:
>
> I've tried Firefox a couple of times in both Mac and Win versions,
> and for the life of me, I just can't see what all the rave press is
> about. I was underwhelmed with it, to say the least.

I use Firefox only when NY Times articles are slow in going from page to page. 
Otherwise, I
prefer Safari.  I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest with this browser
discussion.

Daryl

Use SeaMonkey Mostly (renamed from Mozilla All-in-one) used on my
Desktop running X.3.9 and Thunderbird/Firefox use this on my PB17",
using X.4.6. I 've never had a problem like that.

Are you using a Nightly or base version.

the latest Base version is V1.0.2 based on following codebase:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4)
Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2

Douglas Bouley wrote:
>
>
> Off-topic question:
>
> Does anyone else have intermittent keyboard problems with Firefox and/or
> Thunderbird? I'm on a late G4 PB 17" running 10.4.6. Sometimes, I just
> can't get characters to type in various areas of either app. Like the
> search bar, or To: fields, etc. I can point at things with the mouse,
> but typing acts just as though the area does not have the focus. A
> restart of the app solves it. Just wondering if anyone else ever sees
> this behavior.

The main thing I'd like to see in a Mac browser fairly soon is better
support for the increasing number of video files, in various formats,
proliferating on the web. Quicktime and its available plugins (a good
number, admittedly) don't always do the job, nor does Windows Media
Player (MS of course could not be expected to maintain development
of the Mac version as well as the other). I emailed a person in Korea
with a great classical guitar site to say that I couldn't access all
of its content; he replied that no one in East Asia uses a Mac. Ok, but
isn't HTML generally supposed to transcend platform?

John R.

In a message dated 6/24/06 2:52:05 PM, jrethorst@... writes:


> The Classic prefpane is one of the windows, or panes, available when you
> open OSX System Preferences. It should be in the fourth row, second from
> the left.
>
             Found it.
>
> The Classic prefpane will tell you which folder is your System Folder for OS
> 9.
> You have to have a Classic prefpane (i.e. Classic must be installed), since
> you're running WP.
>
             Found this, too.
>
> This folder has a folder within it named Extensions.
>
             Found it.

> The other two "System"
> folders both open to show only a single folder named Library.
>
             There is only one other "System" folder, with an "X" on the
cover.   It does contain a single folder
              named Library.
             There is also in the Macintosh HD folder a folder named
"Library," the cover of which shows
             an icon of four books.

> These are
> not the ones you want.
>
> Go to the other one, as named and located in the Classic prefpane, open it
> and find the Extensions folder within it. Put the MacLink extension in that
> folder. Then, from the Classic prefpane, restart Classic.
>
               Where is the MacLink extension?   "Finder" doesn't find it.
>
> Also, it's a good idea to rebuild your Classic desktop every month or so.
> This is also done from the Classic prefpane.
>
               I have a "Desktop Folder" in the Macintosh HD folder, but it is
completely empty.
               Can youu please give me a little more help, John R.?

               Thanks,
                Ruth R.



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>> Go to the other one, as named and located in the Classic
>> prefpane, open it and find the Extensions folder within it.
>> Put the MacLink extension in that folder. Then, from the
>> Classic prefpane, restart Classic.

> Where is the MacLink extension? "Finder" doesn't find it.

It's part of the Conversions 2.1.1 download.

>> Also, it's a good idea to rebuild your Classic desktop every
>> month or so. This is also done from the Classic prefpane.

> I have a "Desktop Folder" in the Macintosh HD folder, but it
> is completely empty.

Go to the Classic prefpane and click Advanced. The bottom button
in this pane rebuilds the Classic desktop. This is not related to
the desktop folder.

Then click the Start/Stop button at the top of the prefpane, and
click the second button from the bottom, to restart Classic.

John R.

I like Microsoft's Flip4Mac free download that opens WMV files in
Quicktime.
https://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx
It doesn't allow Quicktime to open every web video, but it fills in
most of the gaps.


>The main thing I'd like to see in a Mac browser fairly soon is better
>support for the increasing number of video files, in various formats,
>proliferating on the web. Quicktime and its available plugins (a good
>number, admittedly) don't always do the job, nor does Windows Media
>Player (MS of course could not be expected to maintain development
>of the Mac version as well as the other). I emailed a person in Korea
>with a great classical guitar site to say that I couldn't access all
>of its content; he replied that no one in East Asia uses a Mac. Ok, but
>isn't HTML generally supposed to transcend platform?
>
>John R.
>
>


--
/S/ Randall

   mailto:rwilson@...

Alternate:  mailto:gryndal@...

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On Jun 27, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Randall C. Wilson wrote:

I like Microsoft's Flip4Mac free download that opens WMV files in
Quicktime.
https://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx
It doesn't allow Quicktime to open every web video, but it fills in
most of the gaps.


I strongly agree with John R. The problem is that there are too many
unsupported formats. Just the other day, John commented that there
was an add-on for Firefox that would download Youtube videos. Great!
The problem is that the format is .flv and that's not supported by
Quicktime or any other video players for the Mac. If Apple wants to
boast about its superior media-hub capabilities it had better shore
this up, or they just start looking really foolish.
Best,
Doug

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Just a note: Flip4Mac is actually produced by Telestream, not
Microsoft. <http://www.flip4mac.com/>, and it is not yet (officially)
available for Intel-based Macs.

On Jun 27, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Randall C. Wilson wrote:

> I like Microsoft's Flip4Mac free download that opens WMV files in
> Quicktime.
> https://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/
> wmcomponents.mspx
> It doesn't allow Quicktime to open every web video, but it fills in
> most of the gaps.
>
>
>> The main thing I'd like to see in a Mac browser fairly soon is better
>> support for the increasing number of video files, in various formats,
>> proliferating on the web. Quicktime and its available plugins (a good
>> number, admittedly) don't always do the job, nor does Windows Media
>> Player (MS of course could not be expected to maintain development
>> of the Mac version as well as the other). I emailed a person in Korea
>> with a great classical guitar site to say that I couldn't access all
>> of its content; he replied that no one in East Asia uses a Mac.
>> Ok, but
>> isn't HTML generally supposed to transcend platform?

The is a Plugging called Flip4Mac that allows playing of Windows ,Media
Files through QuickTime. As long as the content doesn't use Ms version
of Digital Rights Management and they are working on getting licensed to
use that.

It actually looks better and sounds better than Media player for Mac
ever did it.

John Rethorst wrote:
>
>
> The main thing I'd like to see in a Mac browser fairly soon is better
> support for the increasing number of video files, in various formats,
> proliferating on the web. Quicktime and its available plugins (a good
> number, admittedly) don't always do the job, nor does Windows Media
> Player (MS of course could not be expected to maintain development
> of the Mac version as well as the other). I emailed a person in Korea
> with a great classical guitar site to say that I couldn't access all
> of its content; he replied that no one in East Asia uses a Mac. Ok, but
> isn't HTML generally supposed to transcend platform?

In a message dated 6/26/06 9:13:41 PM, jrethorst@... writes:

> > Where is the MacLink extension? "Finder" doesn't find it.
>
> It's part of the Conversions 2.1.1 download.
>
>             What I have in the Conversions 2.1.1 folder is "MacLink Plus
WordPerfect 3."   I asssume
             that is the "MacLink Extension" because I put it there, and it
stayed.   But I haven't yet had
             the occasion to use it.

>> Also, it's a good idea to rebuild your Classic desktop every
>> month or so. This is also done from the Classic prefpane.

>Go to the Classic prefpane and click Advanced. The bottom button
>in this pane rebuilds the Classic desktop. This is not related to
>the desktop folder.

           The paragraph next to "Rebuild Desktop" says (in part): "You may
need to do this
            [i.e. rebuild] if icons do not appear correctly or documents are
not opening in the
            application you used to create them."

            I have never had either of these problems.   Do I still have to
rebuild?   I did that
            once on my old 8500 and the whole desktop got so jumbled that I
couldn't get
            it reorganized for a long time.   Exactly where is the Classic
Desktop located?
            What will happen now if I rebuild?   Will it affect what is on my
OSX desktop?

            As you can tell, I'm still intimidated by this computer!

            Thanks for your patience and continued help, John.

             Ruth R.


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