Sorry for the naive question, but how do you install
Kilometre to run in OS 9.

I am finding that if I move files from OS X onto the
Sheepshaver Volume that they don't show up in OS 9.

Thanks.

I am saving my WPMAC files in rtf. If I open them in Textedit
oin OS X and then try to reopen them in WPMAC, it says it can
no longer recognize the file.

Sometimes Word's file browser cannot even tell the file is
there.

Anyone have any idea what the problem is?

I am losing a lot of my work. Ughh!

Lawrence, Kilometre only works in OSX.  I use it as needed on the Unix
(transfer) folder, or on the SheepShaver volume when this is mounted in
OSX rather than in SS (its name has to end in .dmg for it to be
mountable in OSX, though SS does not require such a file extension).
Also, as John R. has cautioned, never open the SS volume in both SS and
OSX at the same time.

There are several OS 8-9 utilities for making invisible files visible.
I long used the freeware Invisible File Copier
(http://www.tucows.com/preview/207055).  There was also a freeware
contextual menu plugin called Change Visibility from Alsoft (the makers
of Disk Warrior), though I cannot find it on their website today.  (I
just emailed them about this.)

Hope some of this helps.  Tom

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> 1a. Re: SheepShaver for WP
>     Posted by: "lawrencegoodman" no_reply@yahoogroups.com lawrencegoodman
>     Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:37 am ((PDT))
>
> Sorry for the naive question, but how do you install
> Kilometre to run in OS 9.
>
> I am finding that if I move files from OS X onto the
> Sheepshaver Volume that they don't show up in OS 9.
>
> Thanks.
>

This has happened with me too.  As near as I can tell, it is a Unicode
issue--TextEdit doesn't store as ASCII text?  Just yesterday I had to
cut a text file out of TextEdit, paste it in WP, and save as Mac Text
to get a file that my (ancient) version of FileMaker could see and
import.

On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:48 AM, lawrencegoodman wrote:

> I am saving my WPMAC files in rtf. If I open them in Textedit
>  oin OS X and then try to reopen them in WPMAC, it says it can
>  no longer recognize the file.
>
>  Sometimes Word's file browser cannot even tell the file is
>  there.
>
>  Anyone have any idea what the problem is?
>
>  I am losing a lot of my work. Ughh!
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, this does help, but it raises two other questions:

1) What files precisely will I not be able to see because of
the limitations of Unix?

2) When you refer to a Unix transfer folder, to what are you
referring exactly?

Thanks.

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Brown <cbrown15@...> wrote:
>
> This has happened with me too.  As near as I can tell, it is a Unicode
> issue--TextEdit doesn't store as ASCII text?  Just yesterday I had to
> cut a text file out of TextEdit, paste it in WP, and save as Mac Text
> to get a file that my (ancient) version of FileMaker could see and
> import.

Go to the Conversions folder of the Files section here and download
"Unicode Text > Text". What it does:

WordPerfect was written before the advent of Unicode, a system of
encoding text as numbers that supports any character in any script.
When you copy text from a program that supports Unicode and paste
it into WordPerfect, errors may result.

"Unicode Text > Text" takes any kind of text on the clipboard, including
Unicode, and converts it to text that WordPerfect or other older
programs can recognize.

To use, copy Unicode text to the clipboard using any program, and then
double-click "Unicode Text > Text". The text will be converted, and a
beep will sound. Then switch to WordPerfect other other program and paste.

John R.

> I have been trying to get John's regular expression script to
> work in Sheepshaver, but every time I run it, it crashes out
> Sheepshaver entirely. Is this just me or have there been
> other reports of this? Is their a workaround.
>
> I had one other question: are documents created in
> Sheepshaver compatible with those in OS X. In other words,
> if I create a doc in WP, then edit it in Word in OS X, and
> then open in back in WP will I have a problem (assuming that in
> all three instances I keep the file format as rtf).

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, lawrencegoodman <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> > I have been trying to get John's regular expression script to
> > work in Sheepshaver, but every time I run it, it crashes out
> > Sheepshaver entirely. Is this just me or have there been
> > other reports of this? Is their a workaround.

This does not work in SS, and I haven't had time to troubleshoot it. It's
on the list.

John R.

Minor update, now including both Classic and OSX application versions,
of this utility to convert Unicode text on the clipboard to plain (ASCII)
text. Just copy text to the clipboard, run this applet, and then paste.

Free in Files > Conversions.

John R.

My experience has been that if you paste in etxt from
Textedit with certain characters, i.e. ", ^, ~, and a few
others, it will actually cause Sheepshaver to hang. I get a
spinning globe of death.

I have just taken to always "pasting as text" which
eliminates all problems. Seems to work fine this way as well.

I am sorry to be such a pest, but now I am having problems when I
save WP files in RTF. I make RTF my standard so it's universal, but I
am finding that WP cannot later open up the RTF files it itself
created. It says the file is corrupted. In OS X, both WORD and
Textedit cannot open the file either. Only Textmate--thank God for it-
-can open the file, and then I get this file full of rtf code.

The other weird thing that is happening is that when it is saving to
RTF, it is cutting off about a quarter of the text in the file at the
end.

Does anyone else routinely save in RTF? Can WP simply not do this? Or
is this a problem in whatever format you save in?

Thanks.

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, lawrencegoodman <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry to be such a pest, but now I am having problems when I
> save WP files in RTF. I make RTF my standard so it's universal, but I
> am finding that WP cannot later open up the RTF files it itself
> created. It says the file is corrupted. In OS X, both WORD and
> Textedit cannot open the file either. Only Textmate--thank God for it-
> -can open the file, and then I get this file full of rtf code.

No such troubles here. I just made a WP file, saved it as RTF, then
opened it first in WP, then in MS Word 2004, then in TextEdit. The only
thing WP's RTF translator won't do, because of its age, is interpret
formatting more newly supported by RTF, such as tables.

> The other weird thing that is happening is that when it is saving to
> RTF, it is cutting off about a quarter of the text in the file at the
> end.

I would download Conversions 2.1.2 from the Conversions folder in the
Files section here, and replace your WP Conversions folder with it. The
folder, in the WP application folder (i.e. either the folder containing the
application or the folder you designated as the application folder in
Preferences > Folders, has to be named "Conversions".

John R.

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, lawrencegoodman
<no_reply@...> wrote:

> I am having problems when I save WP files in RTF. I
> am finding that WP cannot later open up the RTF files it itself
> created. [...]
> Does anyone else routinely save in RTF? Can WP simply not do this?
> Or is this a problem in whatever format you save in?

I used to save in RTF - though generally from WordPerfect for PC -
in order to translate in Déjà Vu. I found the RTF converter very
buggy, and when I re-imported the translated file it usually
generated *much* bigger WP files than the original. I think
WP/Novell/Corel just never came up with a good converter.

My current approach is to save in the open-source Open Document
format, i.e. open the WP file in OpenOffice, or NeoOffice on the
Mac, and re-save as .odt. You can also use the earlier .sxw format,
which is not much different. This usually results, on re-import, in
small, idiomatic WordPerfect files that don't require a lot of
cleanup.

Hope that helps a little.


P. (^_^)

--- I wrote:

> My current approach is to save in the open-source Open Document
> format, i.e. open the WP file in OpenOffice, or NeoOffice on the
> Mac, and re-save as .odt. You can also use the earlier .sxw format

forgot to add that, since OOo doesn't output WP format, you have to
choouse an intermediate one - I generally use Word 97/2000/XP format,
which seems to import best into WordPerfect

bye,


P. (^_^)

Lawrence, re (2), what I called the Unix or transfer folder is the OSX folder
you designate in your SS GUI or SS Preferences as the Unix root.  I use a newly
created subfolder of my home folder in OSX.  Regardless of how it is named in
OSX, in SS it will appear on the desktop as a disk named Unix.  Re (1), what SS
seems to make invisible are folders, typically folders not created in OSX (i.e.
not created in Unix).  Sometimes I have found files to disappear too.  It's not
fully consistent.  Kilometre seems to fix such disappearances.  What I have done
to be on the safe side is to copy files and folders for SS into the Unix folder
rather than move them there, that way I keep a backup in case the moved copy
disappears.  Tom

> Re: SheepShaver for WP
> Posted by: "lawrencegoodman" no_reply@yahoogroups.com
> lawrencegoodman
> Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:41 pm ((PDT))

> Yes, this does help, but it raises two other questions:

> 1) What files precisely will I not be able to see because of
> the limitations of Unix?

> 2) When you refer to a Unix transfer folder, to what are you
> referring exactly?

> Thanks.

Could By Any Chance The Problem Be What I Am Naming These
Files? I Have My Own Nomenclature Where I Will Call A File,
"Draft 1.2" Does The Period Mess Wp Up? I Am Not Sure Why It
Does, But I Do Notice That If I Add An Extension To A Wp
File, It Wreaks Havoc.



Thanks.

Sorry about the off-topic post....

We have a very slow 500mhz PowerPC G3.  I want to wipe everything off of it and
do a clean
install of the original system, but I can't find the original OS X disks, which
may have been
10.2.6 (?).  I only have the original 9.2 install disk and OS X 10.2.8 upgrade
disks. Actually I'd
be happy with any OS X that will work with this iMac.

I've been looking at downloads on apple.com without success.

Does anyone know where I can download this (onto my 20" iMac :-) and then I'd
burn a CD)
or get the CD(s)?

Thanks,
Pam

I've just added a link in the Links section here to RCDefaultApp.
From the ReadMe:

RCDefaultApp is a Mac OS X 10.2 or higher preference pane that
allows a user to set the default application used for various URL
schemes, file extensions, file types, MIME types, and Uniform
Type Identifiers (or UTIs; MacOS 10.4 only). MacOS X uses the
extension and file type settings to choose the application when
opening a file in Finder, while Safari and other applications use
the URL and MIME type settings at other times for content not
related to a file (such as an unknown URL protocol, or a media
stream).

HTH (and please let us know).

John R.

OS 10.4 Tiger runs fine on my 400 MHz G3 Pismo.  I do not recommend
installing OS 10.2 because it was buggier than 10.3 and 10.4, and I
doubt it would run any faster.

How much RAM do you have?  I suggest increasing it to 750 MB.

If your hard drive is almost full, OS X will run slowly because it
uses the hard drive for virtual memory.  I believe virtual memory
requires contiguous free space on the hard drive, so if your hard
drive is 90% full, you should defragment it or buy a larger hard
drive.
--

Bob Stern

Paul Cowan wrote:
>
>
> --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:wordperfectmac%40yahoogroups.com>, lawrencegoodman
> <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>  > I am having problems when I save WP files in RTF. I
>  > am finding that WP cannot later open up the RTF files it itself
>  > created. [...]
>  > Does anyone else routinely save in RTF? Can WP simply not do this?
>  > Or is this a problem in whatever format you save in?
>
> I used to save in RTF - though generally from WordPerfect for PC -
> in order to translate in D�j� Vu. I found the RTF converter very
> buggy, and when I re-imported the translated file it usually
> generated *much* bigger WP files than the original. I think
> WP/Novell/Corel just never came up with a good converter.

The problem was and still an extent was that the RTF standard if you
call it that is a Microsoft invention. And until the last few years was
a moving target. AS companies that were in business came up with
something that would convert MS would change the specs on it enough to
break the conversions. It's settled down, but only because most people
trying to come up with converter are not around. only DataViz has a
decent converter. I have feeling it will be broke again when all of MS
products goes to the XML based code. will be difficult to convert XML to
RTF.


>
> My current approach is to save in the open-source Open Document
> format, i.e. open the WP file in OpenOffice, or NeoOffice on the
> Mac, and re-save as .odt. You can also use the earlier .sxw format,
> which is not much different. This usually results, on re-import, in
> small, idiomatic WordPerfect files that don't require a lot of
> cleanup.
>
> Hope that helps a little.
>
> P. (^_^)
>
>

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Thanks, Bob.  We have 384MB of RAM in it, but can probably increase it to 512 by
borrowing from one of several defunct iMac G3s.  That particular computer has
always
been slow, much slower than our original 233 iMac.  I thought it was slow
because my
teen had all kinds of stuff on it - he's moved on to a much better Mac (as have
I), and I
thought by wiping it clean and starting over I'd get something decent for
another family
member who is very slow  himself :-)    It will not get much use, but it does
need to work,
and I don't have a system.  Where can I download 10.4 or another OS for it?

Pam


--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Bob Stern <bob_stern@...> wrote:
>
> OS 10.4 Tiger runs fine on my 400 MHz G3 Pismo.  I do not recommend
> installing OS 10.2 because it was buggier than 10.3 and 10.4, and I
> doubt it would run any faster.
>
> How much RAM do you have?  I suggest increasing it to 750 MB.
>
> If your hard drive is almost full, OS X will run slowly because it
> uses the hard drive for virtual memory.  I believe virtual memory
> requires contiguous free space on the hard drive, so if your hard
> drive is 90% full, you should defragment it or buy a larger hard
> drive.
> --
>
> Bob Stern
>

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "John Rethorst" <jrethorst@...> wrote:
>
> --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, lawrencegoodman <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > > I have been trying to get John's regular expression script to
> > > work in Sheepshaver, but every time I run it, it crashes out
> > > Sheepshaver entirely. Is this just me or have there been
> > > other reports of this? Is their a workaround.

It crashes my Intel machine but not my PPC. On the PPC, it doesn't find
anything, but the Applescript "engine" that finds regex matches does
work.

Also, SS doesn't show some images that I've put in dialog boxes. In the
entry dialog, the WP icon shows up but the title does not. That should
be an easy fix, albeit for 20 or so utilities, once I learn what kind of
graphic it is that SS doesn't like.

John R.

Worthwhile changes to the source code, apparently. Download at

http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/downloads/
SheepShaver_UB_22_08_2007.zip

I'm glad to see so much development.

John R.

I have a question about SS -- I guess this is probably most
appropriately directed to John R.

I am wondering: Why was it so difficult for the authors of SS to
engineer it to have access to the full OS X file structures -- to be
able to open, read, and modify any file -- and not just the Unix root
folder? If SS is basically an emulation of OS 9 that runs under the OS
X umbrella, why can't it do what any other OS X app does and access
all files by browsing? Or let WP access all files? Indeed, the great
thing about Classic was that it did just that: it provided seamless
access to the entire file structure that contained all OS X files. I
don't pretend to think this would be trivial -- I'm sure SS would have
to contain a huge chunk of code to properly read and modify the OS X
file structure -- but I'm curious why some enterprising programmer
hasn't done it. There must be some issue that makes it impossible. I'd
be interested to hear the explanation if someone can make it simple
enough for me.

Steve

Yes, I have tried the reg expression script on a PPC and it works
great for me.

One question: after you click on one of the locations that script has
found, the script disappears and you have to start it up again. Any
way of keeping it running permanently so you can go back and find
another location?

Thanks again.

I think minimum requirement for X.4 is a G4

pjandlar wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Bob. We have 384MB of RAM in it, but can probably increase it to
> 512 by borrowing from one of several defunct iMac G3s. That particular
> computer has always been slow, much slower than our original 233
> iMac. I thought it was slow because my teen had all kinds of stuff on it -
> he's moved on to a much better Mac (as have I), and I thought by wiping
> it clean and starting over I'd get something decent for another family
> member who is very slow himself :-) It will not get much use, but it
> does need to work, and I don't have a system. Where can I download
> 10.4 or another OS for it?

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "John Rethorst" <jrethorst@...> wrote:
>
> Worthwhile changes to the source code, apparently. Download at
>
> http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/downloads/
> SheepShaver_UB_22_08_2007.zip

This link seems broken. A simple click on the live part leads to a virtual
directory with no access while copy/paste of the entire url leads nowhere.

I tried lots of variations on the url but also got nowhere with that.

Can you double-check on this a perhaps update your posting?

cheers,

Gord

--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "u_gaggin" <u_gaggin@...> wrote:

> http://www.open.ou.nl/hsp/Engels/SheepShaver_Help/downloads/
> SheepShaver_UB_22_08_2007.zip

I'm sorry that Yahoo hasn't fixed their message delivery. Copy and paste
this link into your browser's address line, and delete the carets (">")
that will appear at the start and in the middle. It then works.

John R.

>Phillip Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>
>I think minimum requirement for X.4 is a G4


That's not true.  It will run on a G3 that has built-in Firewire,
such as my Pismo.

There's also a hack that allows it to run even on older G3's that
don't have Firewire.
--

Bob Stern

But where do I get new system disks or download a system + the apps that came on
the
original disks?  I've wiped out just about everything on the computer, and need
to do a
clean install.  Everything on Apple.com seems to be add-ons or upgrades.


--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Bob Stern <bob_stern@...> wrote:
>
> >Phillip Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> >I think minimum requirement for X.4 is a G4
>
>
> That's not true.  It will run on a G3 that has built-in Firewire,
> such as my Pismo.
>
> There's also a hack that allows it to run even on older G3's that
> don't have Firewire.
> --
>
> Bob Stern
>