-----Original Message-----
From: David T. Ashley [mailto:dtashley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:18 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: RE: How to destroy a mailing list


Hi Uwe,

OK, then I have a favor to ask of you (and everyone else on this list, for
that matter).

What has always amazed me about the qmail list is that even among the people
who want to pick on poor Dave, poor Harry, and poor cash_money_millionaire,
there seem to be really three camps:

a)Those that just start swinging, using profanity, and alluding to very
general tendencies (and nearly always the allusions are unsubstantiated).
Many of these posts are immoralized at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worst_of_qmail/

b)Those that don't have the originality, the courage, or the cleverness to
mount their own personal attack [as in (a)] or to make legitimate points [as
in (c)], and simply try to pour fuel on the fire. These people are as
pathetic as someone who tries to side with whoever is winning in a fight.

c)Those that make legitimate points, and don't introduce irrelevant
material.

Unfortunately above, these groups are listed in order of decreasing
frequency.

So, if you want to pick on poor Dave, poor Harry, or poor
cash_money_millionaire, this is great. But I need to ask a few favors of
you:

1)Please say _specifically_ what you are picking on poor Dave, poor Harry,
or poor cash_money_millionaire about. It should not be general tendencies.
It should be a specific e-mail post, or specific thoughts or words. Please
if you can copy and paste the ideas that you disagree with out of the
original post and include it in yours.

2)Please don't introduce extraneous material or profanity into your post.
For example, Robin's post from this morning actually included some very good
points (screwing up the archives, too many off-topic posts), but it is hard
to pick out the relevant points when they are surrounded by more general
concepts (like "You suck").

Your post is in category (b) above.

Please say something in your post.

To say that poor Dave, poor Harry, and poor cash_money_millionaire aren't
worth 80 characters is entertaining. But it isn't concrete enough. Please
cite a specific offense and a specific instance, and provide excerpts.

Best regards, Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Uwe Ohse [mailto:uwe@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:23 PM
> To: qmail@...
> Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 03:32:21PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>
> > |if /usr/local/bin/822field from | grep -i LAHarryZ@...;
> then exit 99; fi
>
> grep -wi -f ~/lib/djb-qmail-badlist && echo filtered && exit 99 ; exit 0
> There's a place for Harry, DTA and cash_money_millionaire.
>
>
> Although i begin to think that i have to enter the message-IDs of the fil-
> tered messages to some kind of cache and will have to delete mails contai-
> ning one of these IDs in in-reply-to. Though i would hate to do
> this since
> even together these guys are not worth more than 80 characters.
>
> Regards, Uwe
>