-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1014031839.8cc6c6@...]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:46 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Another candidate for a mercy shot (was: Another plea for
civility)


* Anonymous Coward <td@...> writes:

[salesdroid claiming to have read LWQ]
> In my eyes, this is calling me liar. No matter how you want to twist
> it, nor how you meant it, that is what you said.

Yes, it is. Yes, you are. You're also stupid, because you think that 60
people can be wrong and you can't.

> Anyways, my problem still ain't solved,  I'll be sending in a complete
> subscription of my problem soon as I didn't have any time earlier this
> week, due to a huge project that suddenly came up.

Save yourself the trouble. You use a work account, so this is obviously
a production machine. Visit http://qmail.org/top.html#paidsup

[more whining]
> Now I understand most of you people are tired of answering the same
> questions over and over again

No, fuckwit. The problem is not answering those "questions". The problem
is pathetic lusers like your very humble self abusing a technical support
forum for admins. If you're a user, read the docs, the archives, the FAQ
and if *then* something still doesn't work, submit a detailled error
report. If you can't do that, you're not eligible for running a mail
server.

If you're an admin incapable of submitting meaningful messages, get an
MCSE, rape sheep, hug trees, visit pottery classes - whatever, but don't
ever touch a computer.

> (which is understandable, perhaps not diserable, but understandable).

Who cares? You don't even have a name. Who the fuck are you to tell me
what is understandable?

> Perhaps someone can form some default replies to that,

Yes, We're anxiously awaiting your submissions.

> it would be faster, once done ofcourse, to just send one of those
> standard forms than typing inline every time to read life with qmail.

The answers are already there. To name but a few:

  * http://cr.yp.to/
  * RTFM
  * RTFFAQ
  * RTFArchives

If you're an admin, you shouldn't need those but they'll solve your
problem. If you're an idiot, don't touch a computer.

> Also, (this is not meant to piss anyone off so please :-)) none of us is
> obligated to remain on this list.

Indeed. Please fuck off now. Thanks many in advance.
--
<Ceren> I EXPRESS MY ANGER THROUGH POTTERY
<Ceren> AND POETRY
<Ceren> AND COCKSUCKING

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Delany [mailto:markd-qmail@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:45 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: CNAME lookup failed ...


On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 04:01:00PM -0000, Ed Campbell allegedly wrote:
> Telling someone they should look in the damn archives is not keeping
> a civil tongue. Not to disparage your culture but you may think it is not
> rude, but cultures vary across the world.

Sermonizing is also considered rude in some cultures. So, what were
you're words again?  Oh yes:

> When sending an email to a list that may have various cultural
> diversities one should be non- descript in an answer.

Have you considered following you own advice?


Regards.

-----Original Message-----
From: Galbraith, Mark [mailto:Mark.Galbraith@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:36 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Another plea for civility (was RE: CNAME lookup failed ...)


At the risk of pouring fuel on this fire, I would like to make a suggestion.
Instead of invective, what we need are clear, concise instructions for our
new members.  A later respondant in this thread pointed out the FAQ, which
is a good start.  Indirect pointers to the archive can be found there, but
it is not as clear as it should be.  Perhaps we should point people to the
actual link, rather than just telling them to search the archive.  It is
easier and quicker to have a canned message pointing them to the FAQ and the
Archive.

Finally, a plea for civility.  Don't curse at people, teach them.  As any
teacher will tell you, teachers get almost as much out of teaching as the
people receiving the instruction.  That's why most people become teachers.
It sure isn't for the money.  Treat people the way you would want to be
treated if the situations were reversed.  If not because it is the civil
thing to do, do it because we should strive for some level of professional
courtesy.  Remember, we all started out as newbies.

--
Mark Galbraith
Managed Services Engineer, Annuncio Hosting
divine Managed Services, divine, inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Henning Brauer [mailto:lists-qmail@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:47 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: CNAME lookup failed ...


On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 12:25:23PM -0000, Ed Campbell wrote:
> I sent the following to the list last week but got no reply. If there is
> anyone that can help, it would be greatly appreciated.

1) it is useless to repost. we got your message.
2) search the damn archives. this pops up regularly.

--
| Henning Brauer  | PGP-Key: http://misc.bsws.de/hb/pubkey.asc
| BS Web Services | Roedingsmarkt 14, 20459 Hamburg, DE | http://bsws.de
Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity.
(Dennis Ritchie)

-----Original Message-----
From: David T. Ashley [mailto:dtashley@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:32 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: RE: Help - incorrect locals file


Hi Robin,

Well, there are some conspicuous omissions from the etiquette list.

a)How about the etiquette of sending people open-ended threats via private
e-mail, as in:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worst_of_qmail/message/19

b)How about the etiquette of using profanity, such as the word "c###", see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worst_of_qmail/message/25

c)How about the etiquette of marking your e-mails as high priority when they
are not?

d)How about the etiquette of including mail fields like "Your computer has
been infected with a virus" in e-mails?

Robin, in essence you're a serial killer who is trying to pronounce moral
judgement on a shoplifter.

Best regards, Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1013151732.e15e68@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:05 AM
> To: qmail@...
> Subject: Re: Help - incorrect locals file
>
>
> * Charles Warwick <CharlesW@...> writes:
> > 1.  (*) text/plain          ( ) text/html
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your message is 147 lines long
>
> > My quoting was correct, your attempt to fix it wasn't!
>
> Spam Is Not the Worst of It - Email etiquette and related gripes [000901]
>      http://unquietmind.com/email.html
>      This lists about 20 annoyances with examples and an additional
>      "annoyance meter". A fun read.
>      Author: Unquiet Minds unquiet@...
>
> Emily Postnews [961028]
>      http://www.clari.net/brad/emily.html
>      "Emily Postnews, foremost authority on proper net behaviour, gives
>      her advice on how to act on the net." A classical text on Email
>      etiquette. Translated versions available in French, German,
>      Italian, and Dutch.
>      Author: Brad Templeton.
>
> "E-Mail Etiquette" [961028]
>      http://www.iwillfollow.com/email.htm
>      Hints about style, abbreviations, smilies, salutations, signatures,
>      threads, quoting the relevant, privacy, flames, addressing with
>      other nets, and spams.
>
> "Business Netiquette International" [981006]
>      http://www.bspage.com/1netiq/Netiq.html
>      Some rules to follow with business email. Author: Frederick Pearce
>      fpearce@...
>
> "FAQ: What is quoting?" [000821]
>      http://home.online.no/~vidaandr/news/FAQquoting.html
>      Authors: Vidar Andreassen vidaandr@..., Jan Ingvoldstad
>      jani@..., Arve Løken elan@..., Lars Syrstad
>      lars@...
>
> Of Proper Quoting [010126]
>      http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html
>      Colorized quoted text to show how quoted is read.
>      Author: Timo Salmi ts@...
>
> All from Good Old Sven's page at
> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/user/guckes/mail/edit.html aka
> http://learn.to/edit_messages/
>
> You've just violated each and every one of these. Please don't:
>
> - send me private email;
> - send private email as a Cc: to people who are obviously subscribed;
> - send OT messages to the list (this one is also one - a postmaster
>   really should know better, Charles).
>

----------
From: Brett Randall <brett@...>
Organization: InterPlanetary Solutions
Date: 31 Jan 2002 12:00:52 +1100
To: "David T. Ashley" <dtashley@...>
Cc: qmail@...
Subject: Re: Re[2]: A plea to the list membership

>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:07:27 -0500, "David T. Ashley"
<dtashley@...> said:

> Dave, In good humor, let me point out that there actually already is
> a "worst of qmail" list, which I started in good humor.

Oh yes. "Worst of qmail". That is about as positive as me criticising
Harry's ability to speak English... An eye for an eye? Tell you
what... When I start seeing my name appearing on a "Worst of qmail"
list, although I don't give a rats about it, it shows that someone is
indeed using it for their own ego building. A "Best of qmail" list
would be more appt. I want to laugh at the clever criticisms and
raunchy comebacks, not see what the criticisee feels is mean or said
in angst. How boring.
--
"Double your drive space - delete Windows!"

- Bumper Sticker

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:leitner@...]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:49 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: Re: [OT] good FTP server software?


Thus spake David T. Ashley (dtashley@...):
> Felix,

David, I don't want to be read by you.  You are the bane of this mailing
list, together with Harry.  The world would be a better place if you
just went to the mountains and died in peace.

If you are too stupid to read bugtraq yourself, there are several
searchable mailing list archives and google will find them for you.

If you are even too stupid to ask google yourself, then fuck off and
die.  It's that easy.  This is not grouphug united, this is a technical
mailing list.  You are obviously not equipped for technical discussions
IQ-wise.  Get lost.

Oh, and learn how to quote, so you don't look this stupid on the next
mailing list you plague like a swarm of locusts.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1009181089.5161ab@...]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:03 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Jesus loves you... (was: OT: Hard And Fast List Policy For What
To Do Before Asking For Support)


* David T Ashley <dtashley@...> writes:

> To be honest,

No need to tell us that you usually lie. And if you want to show that it is
your honest intent to use this list for technical purposes, keep the flames
where they belong. Here: http://templeofhate.com/story/2001/12/21/5119/9907

> I do not completely understand your post.

That's because you are stupid. And with that, I mean that you're stupid
even for an American high-school student.

> The problem is that the qmail list does not have a policy.

Unless stated otherwise, each and every lists on this planet sticks to
http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html and its derivatives.

> The lack of a hard and fast list policy is the real problem.

No. Your lack of technical expertise is the problem. You've violating
every single paragraph of the above document. Now, one should never
attritbute to malice what can - quite easily in your case - be explained
by mere stupidity. What strikes one as quite odd, though, is that
despite your repeated vows not to abuse this list for your ego-tripping
including spreading of false information, tree hugging, fraternizing
with the other intellectual lepers, you are still:

* using a Microsoft virus distribution program to submit your shit;
* quoting entire messages below your shit;
* sending personal copies in addidition to the shit we already receive
   from you via the list;
* keep submitting shit. Off topic or technically incorrect shit. Stupid,
   superfluous, this-is-in-the-archives-at-least-100000-times shit.

> If you would like to write back and say that I did something wrong, I
> do encourage that.

Understandably because your primary concern is to destroy this list.

> But in your post as written, it is hard for me to understand exactly
> what I did that disappointed you.

David, it would appear that many things are hard for you to
understand. What I don't understand, though, is that you have to share
your intellectual shortcomings with the members of a technical mailing
list. If I were the list owner I would have kicked you (and me, too, for
off topic postings) off the list almost immediately.

> I hope this reply is equally courteous.

No, David, it isn't. It is off topic, boring and contains high amounts
of whining.

In short: Jesus loves you, David. Everyone else thinks you're a cunt.

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:39:18 +0100
From: Felix von Leitner <leitner@...>
To: Harry <laharryZ@...>
Subject: Re: [OT] good FTP server software?


Thus spake Harry (laharryZ@...):
> I would suggest that you would limit your contributions to creative
> criticism. Nothing wrong with a suggestion that a product is bad, but you
> should accompany it with a constructive recommendation for an alternative.

Harry, I have killfiled you on the list, and now I have killfiled you
off the list.

Due to your creative use of mac.com addresses, I have even killfiled the
whole domain plus fizbin.  Now please fuck off and die.  Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: David T. Ashley [mailto:dtashley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:18 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: RE: How to destroy a mailing list


Hi Uwe,

OK, then I have a favor to ask of you (and everyone else on this list, for
that matter).

What has always amazed me about the qmail list is that even among the people
who want to pick on poor Dave, poor Harry, and poor cash_money_millionaire,
there seem to be really three camps:

a)Those that just start swinging, using profanity, and alluding to very
general tendencies (and nearly always the allusions are unsubstantiated).
Many of these posts are immoralized at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worst_of_qmail/

b)Those that don't have the originality, the courage, or the cleverness to
mount their own personal attack [as in (a)] or to make legitimate points [as
in (c)], and simply try to pour fuel on the fire.  These people are as
pathetic as someone who tries to side with whoever is winning in a fight.

c)Those that make legitimate points, and don't introduce irrelevant
material.

Unfortunately above, these groups are listed in order of decreasing
frequency.

So, if you want to pick on poor Dave, poor Harry, or poor
cash_money_millionaire, this is great.  But I need to ask a few favors of
you:

1)Please say _specifically_ what you are picking on poor Dave, poor Harry,
or poor cash_money_millionaire about.  It should not be general tendencies.
It should be a specific e-mail post, or specific thoughts or words.  Please
if you can copy and paste the ideas that you disagree with out of the
original post and include it in yours.

2)Please don't introduce extraneous material or profanity into your post.
For example, Robin's post from this morning actually included some very good
points (screwing up the archives, too many off-topic posts), but it is hard
to pick out the relevant points when they are surrounded by more general
concepts (like "You suck").

Your post is in category (b) above.

Please say something in your post.

To say that poor Dave, poor Harry, and poor cash_money_millionaire aren't
worth 80 characters is entertaining.  But it isn't concrete enough.  Please
cite a specific offense and a specific instance, and provide excerpts.

Best regards, Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Uwe Ohse [mailto:uwe@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:23 PM
> To: qmail@...
> Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 03:32:21PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
>
> > |if /usr/local/bin/822field from | grep -i LAHarryZ@...;
> then exit 99; fi
>
> grep -wi -f ~/lib/djb-qmail-badlist && echo filtered && exit 99 ; exit 0
> There's a place for Harry, DTA and cash_money_millionaire.
>
>
> Although i begin to think that i have to enter the message-IDs of the fil-
> tered messages to some kind of cache and will have to delete mails contai-
> ning one of these IDs in in-reply-to. Though i would hate to do
> this since
> even together these guys are not worth more than 80 characters.
>
> Regards, Uwe
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett P.Randall [mailto:qmail@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:14 AM
To: Harry
Cc: Robin S. Socha; qmail@...
Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list


>>>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:45:12 -0800, Harry <laharryZ@...> said:

> Oh, and please keep off topic posts off the list. Posts advocating
> physical threats and violence to others are not only off-topic, but
> also quite illegal in some households.

Harry, you came onto this list and inadvertently started splurting
lies, unproven facts, stories to raise people's tempers, and
judgements on the much-respected, very smart yet masochistic rulers of
the world who dwell in this forum. You tried to enforce rules that you
can't decide whether or not you will follow, and are telling people
who we enjoy reading of to nick off. You haven't earnt any respect on
this list and as such you will never be listened to with the respect
that brings openness to change.

So, buzz off.

Brett.
--
FATAL SYSTEM ERROR: Press F13 to continue...

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:highpriest@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:07 AM
To: nancyboys@...; fornerboys@...
Cc: David T. Ashley
Subject: Re: ["David T. Ashley" <dtashley@...>] RE: How
to destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server software?)


* David T Ashley <dtashley@...> writes:

> You are confusing me.  You don't mean "take care" of as in like erase,
> rub out, that kind of thing?

You'll notice soon enough. And don't ever send email to my private
account again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Cazabon [mailto:qmail@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:27 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server
software?)


Jamin W. Collins <jcollins@...> wrote:
> On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 07:30, David T. Ashley wrote:
>
> > I'm reasonable and I'll listen.
>
> This has yet to be seen.

No, it's been seen.  At least two other people tried to deal with David
Ashley privately before I tried.  I then had quite a drawn-out
conversation with him, wherein I repeated pleaded with him not to post
his wild-ass guesses to the list as if they were facts.  What I got in
response were ad hominem attacks on some of the most respected members
of the qmail list and a complete failure to address any of the conerns I
brought up.

I'm afraid I've had to plonk David's messages; I simply do not have time
to correct all of his inaccuracies that he posts to this list, but I
cannot read his tripe and let it go unchallenged.  The only solution,
therefore, is to prevent messages from him from reaching my mailbox.
I urge others to do the same; the fewer replies to his crap, the better
the list will be.

The real point of this message, however, is to ensure there is a clear
indication in the qmail mailing list archives for future newbies in
search of answers:  ignore any technical advice about qmail from David
T. Ashley.  Occasionally he's correct, more frequently he's incorrect,
and sometimes he's just completely out in left field, but you have no
way of knowing which when reading his "diagnoses".

Charles
--
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Charles Cazabon                            <qmail@...>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1008943948.aa384e@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:15 AM
To: nancyboys@...; fornerboys@...
Cc: David T. Ashley
Subject: Re: ["David T. Ashley" <dtashley@...>] RE: How
to destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server software?)


* David T Ashley <dtashley@...> writes:

> I need to ask you again, are you threatening me?

My, my... but we *are* being impatient today, aren't we?  No, David, I'm
not threatening you. I don't need to. We know what we're doing, and we
usually do it quickly, efficently and without leaving any traces. So
there realy isn't any need to worry for you, David. You'll never even
notice we've been there...

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:45 PM
To: Robin S. Socha; qmail@...
Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list


on 12/18/01 6:38 AM, Robin S. Socha at
robin-dated-1008945280.2968a9@... wrote:

> And what they'll find is the Davids and
> Harrys of this planet deliberately destroying a technical list by
> spreading errors, lies, insults, and off topic shit.

Ah, yes, but the Robin Sochas of this planet destroying self-same list with
OT personal attacks, insults and drivel is okay, apparently.

You can't have it both ways, kid.

Oh, and please keep off topic posts off the list. Posts advocating physical
threats and violence to others are not only off-topic, but also quite
illegal in some households.

> The archives are already more or less dead. Whoever runs this list
> should *never* have lifted the ban on Microsoft MUAs.

Jawohl, mein Führer... und next we will also outlaw people from posting on
the list that do not fit the profile of the master-race, right, kid?

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1008945280.2968a9@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:39 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: How to destroy a mailing list


* Charles Cazabon <qmail@...> writes:

> The only solution, therefore, is to prevent messages from him from
> reaching my mailbox.  I urge others to do the same; the fewer replies
> to his crap, the better the list will be.

That is not correct. The only solution[1] is to set this list to
read-only. While Dave's list is a good idea in itself, most people will
come *here* for help first. And what they'll find is the Davids and
Harrys of this planet deliberately destroying a technical list by
spreading errors, lies, insults, and off topic shit.

> The real point of this message, however, is to ensure there is a clear
> indication in the qmail mailing list archives for future newbies in
> search of answers: ignore any technical advice about qmail from David
> T. Ashley.  Occasionally he's correct, more frequently he's incorrect,
> and sometimes he's just completely out in left field, but you have no
> way of knowing which when reading his "diagnoses".

The archives are already more or less dead. Whoever runs this list
should *never* have lifted the ban on Microsoft MUAs.

Footnotes:
[1]  There are others, but it's a long way to the US. I encourage anyone
      living near David to, well, fix this situation...
      http://www.templeofhate.com/poll/1008677746_gozyFoVO

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1008942421.14a835@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:48 AM
To: nancyboys@...; fornerboys@...
Cc: dtashley@...
Subject: ["David T. Ashley" <dtashley@...>] RE: How to
destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server software?)




Could someone "take care" of this person, please?

Hi Robin,

Thank you for your post.

Nothing you've said really has any basis in fact, at least not when one
considers the big picture.  In the past week, I've received four separate
e-mails--three of them addressed to the list--which were people thanking me
for helping them solve their problems.  Generally I've been very polite, and
generally I've helped people who posted to the list who for one reason or
another didn't provide enough information or would not have been helped
otherwise.

It is absolutely true that I have provided misinformation.  I believe just
recently it was Scott Gifford who corrected me on the "moreipme" patch.  I'm
very grateful for such corrections.  The misinformation I posted was very
minor, and Scott corrected me for that, and for that I do apologize.

It seems to me in general that the members of the qmail list--taken as a
group--engage in quite a bit of self-defeating behavior.  On one hand, it is
a frequent complaint when people post for a second time that their post was
ignored--typical words are "I asked this question two weeks ago and got no
response".  But on the other hand there are definite group behaviors that
would prevent any remedial action aimed at systematically preventing things
from falling through the cracks, etc.

Also, if you would check the off-topic FTP posts, you would find that there
was quite a bit of back and forth banter that did not involve me.

Robin, I will do my best to not post erroneous information, and to limit
off-topic posts.  But that is about all I can do.

I would also make one other observation about your post:

YOU WROTE:
> If you feel the urge
> to reply to this, do it in a fitting place.

What you are essentially saying is you want the privelege of making
senseless personal attacks in public but don't want a reply.  You could have
accomplished exactly the same goal--in terms of trying to get me to modify
my behavior--by writing to me in private and just rationally pointing out
that I was screwing up the archives, etc., etc., etc.  I'm reasonable and
I'll listen.  Actually, your points are reasonable.

I wish you a great day.

I will try to improve on the points you mentioned.

Best regards, Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1008934301.0e1080@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:26 AM
> To: qmail@...
> Subject: How to destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server
> software?)
>
>
> * David T Ashley <dtashley@...> writes:
>
> >> This is getting way out of qmail stuff [...]
> > You may very well be right.
>
> He is.
>
> ,----[ http://cr.yp.to/lists.html ]
> | qmail: The qmail package, the qmailanalog package, the dot-forward
> | package, and the fastforward package. To subscribe, send an empty
> | message to qmail-subscribe@.... This list is unmoderated and
> | high-volume. There is a hypertext archive of the mailing list at ORNL.
> `----
>
> Do you see anything about FTP servers there? No? Me neither.
>
> > I'm not sure if Windows has anything like xinetd available.
>
> What does this have to do with qmail?
>
> > However, I do not remember reading in the documentation of either
> > server that you could start them in any way other than standalone
> > mode.
>
> What does this have to do with qmail?
>
> > I'm grateful to learn something new.
>
> My pleasure. On a technical mailing list...
>
> * Check your facts. Don't post unless you are sure you know what
>   you're talking about. Submissions like yours (unless they carry
>   zero information liek this) are misleading, superfluous and do a
>   lot more harm than anything. You've told more than three times that
>   misinformation stemming from you obvious technical incompetence has
>   misled people.
>
> * Don't post OT. This is the qmail list. This is not the "David T Ashley
>   whinegroanmoan Treehuggers United" mailing list. There are quite a few
>   people on this list. They're trying to get their jobs done. You're
>   getting in their way.
>
> * Don't fuck up the archives. You may think that this is some sort of
>   webchat because that's all you know. It isn't. You're doing three
>   things:
>   - you fill the archives with misinformation and lies, making the
>     archives unusable;
>   - your mailreader destroys threads by removing References headers,
>     making the archives unusable;
>   - when confronted with the truth, you start complaining that you're
>     not a demented fuckwit with about the same amount of  technical
>     expertise  as a sheepfuckstain. These OT threads also make the
>     archives useless.
>
> In summary:
>
> * You have no understanding of even the most basic fundamentals of
>   networking.
> * You confuse mindless idiocy with political correctness.
> * You suck.
>
> Go away and take you left-wing liberal bullshit with you. I don't care
> if you want to learn something - read the docs (yes, there's
> plenty). I do care about ridding this list of you. If you feel the urge
> to reply to this, do it in a fitting place. Smile, David, you're on TOH:
> http://templeofhate.com/story/2001/12/18/72257/425
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha [mailto:robin-dated-1008934301.0e1080@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:26 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: How to destroy a mailing list (was: [OT] good FTP server
software?)


* David T Ashley <dtashley@...> writes:

>> This is getting way out of qmail stuff [...]
> You may very well be right.

He is.

,----[ http://cr.yp.to/lists.html ]
| qmail: The qmail package, the qmailanalog package, the dot-forward
| package, and the fastforward package. To subscribe, send an empty
| message to qmail-subscribe@.... This list is unmoderated and
| high-volume. There is a hypertext archive of the mailing list at ORNL.
`----

Do you see anything about FTP servers there? No? Me neither.

> I'm not sure if Windows has anything like xinetd available.

What does this have to do with qmail?

> However, I do not remember reading in the documentation of either
> server that you could start them in any way other than standalone
> mode.

What does this have to do with qmail?

> I'm grateful to learn something new.

My pleasure. On a technical mailing list...

* Check your facts. Don't post unless you are sure you know what
   you're talking about. Submissions like yours (unless they carry
   zero information liek this) are misleading, superfluous and do a
   lot more harm than anything. You've told more than three times that
   misinformation stemming from you obvious technical incompetence has
   misled people.

* Don't post OT. This is the qmail list. This is not the "David T Ashley
   whinegroanmoan Treehuggers United" mailing list. There are quite a few
   people on this list. They're trying to get their jobs done. You're
   getting in their way.

* Don't fuck up the archives. You may think that this is some sort of
   webchat because that's all you know. It isn't. You're doing three
   things:
   - you fill the archives with misinformation and lies, making the
     archives unusable;
   - your mailreader destroys threads by removing References headers,
     making the archives unusable;
   - when confronted with the truth, you start complaining that you're
     not a demented fuckwit with about the same amount of  technical
     expertise  as a sheepfuckstain. These OT threads also make the
     archives useless.

In summary:

* You have no understanding of even the most basic fundamentals of
   networking.
* You confuse mindless idiocy with political correctness.
* You suck.

Go away and take you left-wing liberal bullshit with you. I don't care
if you want to learn something - read the docs (yes, there's
plenty). I do care about ridding this list of you. If you feel the urge
to reply to this, do it in a fitting place. Smile, David, you're on TOH:
http://templeofhate.com/story/2001/12/18/72257/425

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Nelson [mailto:nelson@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:26 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: RE: Censorship On The Qmail List


David T. Ashley writes:
  > Dear Felix,
  >
  > I'm going to forward this to the list as well.

David, I have been trying to get you to stop posting off-topic
messages for at least a week now.  You seem to be ignoring the
messages I have sent you off-list.  Okay, now it's time to publicly
embarrass you.

You, David T. Ashley, are a moron.

There, I've said it.  I really wanted to say it from about the first
posting you made to the list.  It was quite clear that you have no
clue, and yet are perfectly willing to offer advice to people even at
the same time you acknowledge that you don't know what you're doing.
While I doubt that anyone is less intelligent than you, other people
are just as ignorant about qmail.  Please stop answering their
questions.  Your replies are not helpful.  With your case of false
authority syndrome, you confuse the people you are trying to help.

Just stop it.  In fact, don't post to the list at all unless you have
a question, and are willing to accept the answer you get from the many
truly clueful people on this mailing list (you know who you are).

There is nothing I can do to stop you from posting to the qmail
mailing list, however I expect that very few of your posts have made
it to the best-of-qmail form of this list.  I *know* this message
won't, but that's okay.

--
-russ nelson <sig@...>  http://russnelson.com
Crynwr sells support for free software  | PGPok | If you argue with someone
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | who is not rational, he
will
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213  | +1 315 268 9201 FAX   | win every time.  You lose!

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:leitner@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:57 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: Re: Censorship On The Qmail List


Thus spake David T. Ashley (dtashley@...):
> This country was founded on the notion that people have a right to express
> dissenting opinions.

Oh PLEASE!  Your stinking country was founded on the idea that

   a. women should not be allowed to vote
   b. black men are slaves
   c. the state has the right to kill people

The USA still is a more barbaric state than most of the other countries
in the world.  Only China kills more alleged criminals than the USA.

In the last years, your government has killed OVER HALF A MILLION
CHILDREN below the age of 3 in Iraq by starving them to death.
Currently, Somalia has no telephone or internet and can't transfer money
over 80% of the population rely on to buy their food.  Another genocide.
Not to talk about Afghanistan.

There is no reason in the world to be proud of the shithole you call
home, and if you Americans weren't so fucking stupid you would notice
this yourself.  Home of the Brave, muhahaha.

> There are very good reasons why it isn't a good idea to let an
> individual or a group decide what is appropriate and what is not.
> This is inappropriate in a technical vocation, and pretty darned
> un-American.

Un-American?  Yeah, it would have been more American to shoot or lynch
him on the spot.  You know, everyone has the right to bear arms?
Harhar.

Are you as incredibly stupid as you look or are you just trying to troll
a little?

> So, what is next, gentlemen?  Are you now going to block me from the list
> because I'm standing up for Harry?

That would be a great idea.  In fact, we shouldn't even let idiots like
Harry and yourself subscribe in the first place.

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:leitner@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 2:52 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: Re: PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE: Censorship On The Qmail List


David, piss off.  I plonked you on the list, I will plonk you on all
other lists I will ever see your drivel on ever again, and I certainly
don't want any correspondance from you.  Any further attempt to email me
will result in a complaint to your universities abuse department and
further abuse will result in a cyberstalking lawsuit against you, your
family, your little dog and your neighbor.

People who forward other people's email to mailing lists without
explicit prior permission are in the same league as rapists.  Fuck off
and die, you criminal!

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 1:07 AM
To: Bruce Guenter; qmail@...
Subject: Re: qmail, linux and fsync...


on 12/12/01 7:07 AM, Bruce Guenter at bruceg@... wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:40:57PM -0800, Harry wrote:
>> So, here's my question - will simply running Bruce's fsync rpm take care
of
>> everything on a system with a successful qmail installation (done with
the
>> qinstall package, which essentially follows LWQ)?
>
> Not exactly.  You have to link qmail against the syncdir library.  Once
> you've done that all directory-modifying operations performed by qmail
> will become synchronous operations from qmail's point of view.

Bruce,

Thanks for the straight answer - generally having 'Village Idiot' status,
can you kindly explain how exactly I would go about performing this
'linking'. Assume I am clueless, which is an accurate assessment.

Would this be something that I would set / configure on my qmail sources
before compiling?

Thanks,

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Johnson [mailto:cjohnson@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:56 PM
To: Qmail-List
Subject: Re: Virtual Hosts Problem


On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 03:33:39PM -0700, Bob Ross wrote:
> This one just started. Was working fine for almost a year.
>
> Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
>
> They are listed in my virtualdomains with
> domain:user
> I have their MX record set fine.
>
> Any ideas?

Bzzzzzzz! We have a winner! I believe that this is the most poorly crafted
question ever posted in the history of the qmail list. It'd be hard to
contrive
a question more unlikely to elicit an answer.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Nelson [mailto:nelson@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:44 AM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: Fw: Virtual Hosts Problem


Bob Ross writes:
  > Got it fixed. Thanks
  >
  > Sorry, I wasn't detailed enough for some of the experts on this list.

It's not that we couldn't have guessed.  It's that guessing would be a
waste of everybody's time.

--
-russ nelson <sig@...>  http://russnelson.com
Crynwr sells support for free software  | PGPok | If you argue with someone
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | who is not rational, he
will
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213  | +1 315 268 9201 FAX   | always win, in his own
mind.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:56 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: worst of qmail -- FW: errors in log...



----------
From: "Robin S. Socha" <robin-dated-1008412508.d9b08f@...>
Organization: Trial By Combat
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:38:21 -0500
To: Harry <laharryZ@...>
Subject: Re: errors in log...

* Harry <laharryZ@...>:

> Hi Robin,

Fuck off, asshole. Which part of
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=Unable%5Fto%5Fchdir%5Fto%5
Fmaildir%2E%5F
are you too fucking stupid to understand?

> Thanks for conserving bandwidth,

The only way to conserve bandwith, Harrry, would be to shoot you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:56 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: worst of qmail -- FW: Harry (OT) (MAYBE)



----------
From: Felix von Leitner <leitner@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:00:53 +0100
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: Harry (OT) (MAYBE)

> Is it just me, or is Harry a complete idiot?

It is moments like this that make it all worthwhile.
*sniff*

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:56 PM
To: David T. Ashley
Subject: worst of qmail -- FW: How To Mess With AOL?



----------
From: denis <denis@...>
Reply-To: denis@...
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:27:33 -0800
Cc: Qmail-List <qmail@...>
Subject: Re: How To Mess With AOL?

"David T. Ashley" wrote:

>
> > I second that.  Then we can blackhole that whole IP range and be done
> > with it instead of wasting time with AOL's abuse department.
> >
> > Felix
>
> OK, Felix, what abuse am I guilty of?
>

<sarcasm snipped>

David,

How about:

1) Ignorance
2) Arrogance
3) Stupidly
4) Idiocy
5) Arsehole
6) Totally clueless

You can order them in any way you can possibly conceive.

denis

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-----Original Message-----
From: Harry [mailto:laharryZ@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:30 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: Weird ezmlm issue


on 12/16/01 6:57 PM, Brett Randall at brett@... wrote:

> Has anything you've ever said ever helped?

I suggested that he use a different name for his account, which,
incidentally, *IS* the solution to his issue (which you conveniently left
out of your diatribe, as it would have destroyed your argument). So, the
answer to your query would be 'yes'.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: eduardo@... [mailto:eduardo@...]On
Behalf Of Eduardo Augusto Alvarenga
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:42 PM
To: Harry
Cc: qmail@...
Subject: Re: Weird ezmlm issue


On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Harry wrote:

> on 12/16/01 6:57 PM, Brett Randall at brett@... wrote:
>
> > Has anything you've ever said ever helped?
>
> I suggested that he use a different name for his account, which,
> incidentally, *IS* the solution to his issue (which you conveniently left
> out of your diatribe, as it would have destroyed your argument). So, the
> answer to your query would be 'yes'.

Hey boys, let's stop flaming the list ok?
Harry's answer fitted my needs and that's the end.

Best Regards,

--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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     Blumenau - Santa Catarina. Tel. (47) 9102-3303
            http://www.netron.com.br/~eduardo
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-----Original Message-----
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:leitner@...]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:50 PM
To: qmail@...
Subject: Re: freeVSD


Thus spake Kurth Bemis (kurth@...):
> arg - i'm trying to get "real" virtual hosting together for a customer of
> mine.  the problem that I have is email - its nearly impossible....can
> anyone provide any insight as to how the big boys do it?  I was looking at
> FreeVSD, however the makefile seems to be broken and I'm not programmer...

> Any help would be greatly welcomed.

Now that strikes me as very unprofessional, to sell something to a
customer that you haven't installed often enough to be able to do it
with only 10% brain capacity.

Maybe you should hire a consultant to do it for you?  Your problem
description indicates that you have never done this before.  You should
not be selling it then, for the good of you and your customer.

Felix