Maybe I am looking at the wrong site. I do not see much at this site.
Appears to be mostly airports, no direct upload of data, just links to
individual websites and lots of advertisements. Am I missing something?
I must be as I do not see this site as a "competitive" site to WU at
all.

Steve

Has anyone had any issues with the Heavy Weather up loader and Java?

I get these occasionally

Sat Dec 01 08:50:59 2007 > Could not open port COM4. Will re-attempt
to open port in a few seconds.
Sat Dec 01 08:51:09 2007 > Attempting to re-open port COM4.
Sat Dec 01 08:51:09 2007 > Could not open port COM4. Will re-attempt
to open port in a few seconds.
Sat Dec 01 08:51:19 2007 > Attempting to re-open port COM4.


and noticed today when I had an hours worth of failures my Java Script
was running at the same time.

Is there any connection?

Thanks,

Ron

I'm confused (as usual) about this "competitive" idea. Are we as pws
owners in competition with someone?

I thought pws was about suppling our data to others on the information
highway for fun.

Still don't know much about weather for you, but also don't know much
about wuhu either but I do know that I have no agenda but to enjoy
getting my data out onto the www.

Interesting that you both posted the same msg one after the other

Seasons greetings to all,
Regards, Bob


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "k5kee / Deborah Kee"
<k5kee@...> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with you, Steve. When this conversation first came up, I
> went to the site and didn't see anything "competitive". Then I, too,
may be
> missing the real deal.
>
> Thanks for posting this ... I wanted to say the same thing. Thought
I'd wait
> to see what transpired from the original issue.
>
> Happy Holidays All,
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     73's  de   K5KEE   Deborah
>            www.keeideas.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On Dec 1, 2007 12:43 PM, steve_03222 <steve_03222@...> wrote:
>
> >   Maybe I am looking at the wrong site. I do not see much at this
site.
> > Appears to be mostly airports, no direct upload of data, just links to
> > individual websites and lots of advertisements. Am I missing
something?
> > I must be as I do not see this site as a "competitive" site to WU at
> > all.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>

Below is a link for q & a for weather for you.

http://www.hamweather.net/weatherstations/vwsfaq.php?

Hope this will answer some questions.

Best regards and Happy Holidays,

Bob

The weatherforyou.com/HAMweather Personal Weather Station Program
currently has over 8,000 personal weather stations registered.  The
data from these stations is sent directly to our servers and is
included with local forecasts on weatherforyou.com along with credit
to the station providing the data and a link to their web site, if
any.  This program has been in existence since 2000 and is currently
supported by at least six weather station software packages plus quite
a few who have written their own interface to our system.

The maps with links to weather stations are not related to the
real-time data program.  There are stations on the map that do not
send data (mostly because their software doesn't support it, but I
wanted to promote them, too) and stations that send data which are not
on the map (by the request of the contributor).

The weatherforyou.com support and promotion of personal weather
stations goes back to 1998.  A group of people approached the "big"
weather sites about adding personal weather stations.  The common
reply was personal weather stations were "...not relevant to (their)
content."  So I started weatherforyou.com.  A couple years later WU
decided they were relevant after all.

If all you thought you saw was links and ads you didn't look very
deep.  ;)  First off, there are fewer ads than other sites, and no
popups or pop-unders, deceitful advertising ("you're visitor 9,999,999
and won"), no suggestive ads and all ads are appropriate for all ages.
  Beyond the ads there are many maps, radar, forecasts, current
conditions, Flash weather videos and more.  It is currently ranked #8
in the news/weather category, provides the free weather "snapshots" to
tens of thousands of sites worldwide and custom weather solutions to
other sites.

The site's primary focus is still to serve personal weather stations.
  If you can think of any way that we can serve you I'm always open to
suggestions.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com




--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "steve_03222"
<steve_03222@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe I am looking at the wrong site. I do not see much at this site.
> Appears to be mostly airports, no direct upload of data, just links to
> individual websites and lots of advertisements. Am I missing something?
> I must be as I do not see this site as a "competitive" site to WU at
> all.
>
> Steve
>

See my reply to Steve's post.  ;)


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "k5kee / Deborah Kee"
<k5kee@...> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with you, Steve. When this conversation first came up, I
> went to the site and didn't see anything "competitive". Then I, too,
may be
> missing the real deal.
>
> Thanks for posting this ... I wanted to say the same thing. Thought
I'd wait
> to see what transpired from the original issue.
>
> Happy Holidays All,
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>     73's  de   K5KEE   Deborah
>            www.keeideas.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> On Dec 1, 2007 12:43 PM, steve_03222 <steve_03222@...> wrote:
>
> >   Maybe I am looking at the wrong site. I do not see much at this
site.
> > Appears to be mostly airports, no direct upload of data, just links to
> > individual websites and lots of advertisements. Am I missing
something?
> > I must be as I do not see this site as a "competitive" site to WU at
> > all.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>

I don't think personal weather stations are in competition.  However
after the success of weatherforyou.com back in the late 1990s and
early 2000s other sites decided to embrace personal weather stations
and include them as relevant sources of information.  One "big" site
(not WU) made it very clear to me at a convention back in 2002 they
considered weatherforyou.com as a threat on many levels.  There have
been attempts to purchase all or part of weatherforyou.com, but none
would guarantee to keep giving personal weather stations credit and
not distribute or sell their data.  One site wanted to buy the data,
but it's not mine to sell... it belongs to the personal weather
station owners.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com



--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "RS Moreland"
<bobmoreland@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm confused (as usual) about this "competitive" idea. Are we as pws
> owners in competition with someone?
>
> I thought pws was about suppling our data to others on the information
> highway for fun.
>
> Still don't know much about weather for you, but also don't know much
> about wuhu either but I do know that I have no agenda but to enjoy
> getting my data out onto the www.
>
> Interesting that you both posted the same msg one after the other
>
> Seasons greetings to all,
> Regards, Bob
>
>
> --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "k5kee / Deborah Kee"
> <k5kee@> wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree with you, Steve. When this conversation first came
up, I
> > went to the site and didn't see anything "competitive". Then I, too,
> may be
> > missing the real deal.
> >
> > Thanks for posting this ... I wanted to say the same thing. Thought
> I'd wait
> > to see what transpired from the original issue.
> >
> > Happy Holidays All,
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >     73's  de   K5KEE   Deborah
> >            www.keeideas.com
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2007 12:43 PM, steve_03222 <steve_03222@> wrote:
> >
> > >   Maybe I am looking at the wrong site. I do not see much at this
> site.
> > > Appears to be mostly airports, no direct upload of data, just
links to
> > > individual websites and lots of advertisements. Am I missing
> something?
> > > I must be as I do not see this site as a "competitive" site to WU at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>

--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "Charles M. Owen"
<CMOwen@...> wrote:
> I care only that my weather stations is operating
correctly/accurately as I
> possibly can and that my data goes to CWOP which is used by NOAA.

You may be interested in knowing then weatherforyou.com generates a
file with personal weather station data that is picked up by NOAA four
times an hour.  We've been providing this data to them for at least
five years.  ;)

The string to post data has been sent to you.  Let me know if you have
any questions.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "wuhu_software"
<wuhu_software@...> wrote:
>
>
> wuhu_software@... is my yahoo account.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "jtorsitano"
> <jtorsitano@> wrote:
> >
> > That's cool.  I just need an e-mail address where to send it to.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Joe Torsitano
> >  weatherforyou.com
> >  jtorsitano@
> >
> >
> > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "wuhu_software"
> > <wuhu_software@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > I have been busy, hopefully I can take a look at it this weekend.
> > >
> > > If you want to fire off some protocol documents, that would be
> great.
> > >
> > > I will send you an email as well.
> > >
> > > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "jtorsitano"
> > > <jtorsitano@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you sent an e-mail to me yet?  If so it doesn't look like
> I got
> > > > it.  :?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >  Joe Torsitano
> > > >  weatherforyou.com
> > > >  jtorsitano@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "wuhu_software"
> > > > <wuhu_software@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have any generic uploading standards/protocols let me
> know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now, we send to WU using http:// requests, raw sockets
> to
> > > CWOP.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have some generic method or recommendation, let me
> know.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will have to hand code whatever protocol you guys use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "jtorsitano"
> > > > > <jtorsitano@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just went back through my e-mails and did find where you
> > > asked
> > > > > about
> > > > > > sending data from WUHU 5/12/2005 (yes, I'm an e-mail pack
> > > rat).  I
> > > > > had
> > > > > > replied back asking about what software and a web site
> where it
> > > > > could
> > > > > > be found to which you replied.  But I didn't find any reply
> to
> > > an
> > > > > > e-mail with the posting string to send data.  So either it
> > > didn't
> > > > > get
> > > > > > to you or I didn't receive the reply if you had asked for
> more
> > > > > > information.  So you are correct you made contact first.  I
> had
> > > > > > replied with the comment about sending data to my
> competitors
> > > when
> > > > > you
> > > > > > registered for the Personal Weather Station Map about a
> month
> > > later
> > > > > > but that conversation ended about there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At any rate... that's the past and I'd be glad to move
> forward
> > > with
> > > > > > providing whatever you need to add support for sending data
> to
> > > > > > weatherforyou.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >  Joe Torsitano
> > > > > >  weatherforyou.com
> > > > > >  jtorsitano@
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "wuhu_software"
> > > > > > <wuhu_software@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I recall, I asked the owner about it. He responded
> simply
> > > > > with "I
> > > > > > > see you are uploading to my competitors.". That was the
> end
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > conversation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe they post CWOP data, so you are represented
> > > indirectly
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > their site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "RS Moreland"
> > > > > > > <bobmoreland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can WUHU be used with weatherforyou?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't know much about them but it seems to be
> associated
> > > with
> > > > > ham
> > > > > > > > weather
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Thank you for the information on your web site. I am sure you have
done much work on the site and are fulfilling someones needs or
desires. I mean no disrespect to you or your website, I am simply
expressing my opinion!
I have further explored your website as you suggested.
A comment was made in this forum earlier, regarding competitive web
sites, nothing about us as PWS owners competing.
We are all free to upload our PWS data to whomever and what ever
services we choose. This is great, we have choices !!
I made a statement and I make no appologies for it, it is simply my
personal opinion(which has not changed upon further review).
I do appreciate the offer to provide input, however I personally will
stick to WU, CWOP & AWEKAS for my uploading and I feel good about
that. I feel that through these uploads I am doing a service, while I
enjoy my hobby.
I am not sure what the comment that was made regarding someone who
happened to agree with my earlier post was trying to say or imply.
Rest assured that what ever I post in an open forum is my opinion and
my opinion alone !!

Steve

--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "steve_03222"
<steve_03222@...> wrote:
>Thank you for the information on your web site. I am sure you have
>done much work on the site and are fulfilling someones needs or
>desires.

You make it sound like it's some hobby site.  Rest assured,
weatherforyou.com LLC is a company that serves weather needs from
individuals to FedEx.


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "steve_03222"
<steve_03222@...> wrote:
>
>I personally will
> stick to WU, CWOP & AWEKAS for my uploading and I feel good about
> that. I feel that through these uploads I am doing a service, while I
> enjoy my hobby.

And you don't feel you would be doing a service by uploading to
weatherforyou.com?  How is uploading to WU a service whereas uploading
to weatherforyou.com would not be?  I'm curious because we want to
serve personal weather stations and, if we're not, I want to know
where we're falling short.

Amen!
--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "Jaye Ellen"
<jaye.ellen@...> wrote:
>
> Guys ---
>
> Lrt's not get in to a 'pissing contest' over this, and agree that
you both
> provide a valuable service?  Just let it
> be, no harm, no foul; if certain folk want (or DON'T want) to upload
let it
> be and no more bickering, shall we?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jaye Ellen KTNGALLA2
>

Regarding your statement below I mentioned that I felt I was providing
a service uploading to WU, CWOP & AWEKAS. You left the last two off !!
Please do not take what I write out of context. I personally feel that
the above is a nice package to upload to. I do not intend to upload to
your site, that is my choice. I do not need to justify my decision to
anyone but myself. Again,this is an open forum and we are all allowed
to express our own opinions. I have done so, as have you.

Steve

<<And you don't feel you would be doing a service by uploading to
weatherforyou.com? How is uploading to WU a service whereas uploading
to weatherforyou.com would not be? I'm curious because we want to
serve personal weather stations and, if we're not, I want to know
where we're falling short.>>

Jaye Ellen,
I do get error messages from AWEKAs, but rarely get any from CWOP. I
wonder what it is that they don't like about your data? Was it
constant errors?
Steve

--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "Jaye Ellen"
<jaye.ellen@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> I quit uploading to CWOP and AWEKAS because it seems they didn't
like all my
> data; I still have accounts with them, but choose to NOT upload to
them.
>
> Jaye Ellen
>

Actually I think CWOP and AWEKAS are excellent services and I
encourage uploading to them as well.  That's why I didn't include
them.  I just don't understand what you have against weatherforyou.com
a site that was started to serve personal weather stations and has
donated much to that community over the last nine years.  What would
have to change in order for you to consider sharing your data?

And I don't understand why when a company has a representative in the
community they're trying to serve it's interpreted that they're
"small" or "serving someone" but the companies that never participate
in forums such as this get all the respect.  When was the last time
anyone from WU posted here?  Sure WU is bigger than weatherforyou.com,
but weatherforyou.com is bigger than CWOP or AWEKAS.

Yes, it's your decision not to share your data.  But if
weatherforyou.com isn't serving personal weather stations we want to
know why.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "steve_03222"
<steve_03222@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding your statement below I mentioned that I felt I was providing
> a service uploading to WU, CWOP & AWEKAS. You left the last two off !!
> Please do not take what I write out of context. I personally feel that
> the above is a nice package to upload to. I do not intend to upload to
> your site, that is my choice. I do not need to justify my decision to
> anyone but myself. Again,this is an open forum and we are all allowed
> to express our own opinions. I have done so, as have you.
>
> Steve
>
> <<And you don't feel you would be doing a service by uploading to
> weatherforyou.com? How is uploading to WU a service whereas uploading
> to weatherforyou.com would not be? I'm curious because we want to
> serve personal weather stations and, if we're not, I want to know
> where we're falling short.>>
>

I'm not looking to argue.  All I want is feedback as to why one or
more personal weather stations won't send data to weatherforyou.com
but will to WU.  weatherforyou.com was started with a primary goal of
serving personal weather stations. If we're not, we want to know what
needs to change!


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com


--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "Jaye Ellen"
<jaye.ellen@...> wrote:
>
> Guys ---
>
> Lrt's not get in to a 'pissing contest' over this, and agree that
you both
> provide a valuable service?  Just let it
> be, no harm, no foul; if certain folk want (or DON'T want) to upload
let it
> be and no more bickering, shall we?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jaye Ellen KTNGALLA2
>

From the Mt Washington Observatory
"This morning has been filled with excitement already! Temperatures
feel like winter by dropping down to minus 15 degrees. A short lived
Artic blast will be felt up here throughout the day. Winds have also
been quite exciting by peaking at 120 mph so far!"

Guess Winter is here even if the calendar doesn't agree. In the
forecast is a foot of snow for NH & ME.  Time to get the boots out and
the snow blower ready !  LOL !!!

LOL Deborah,
You get the wind during those bad storms you have posted about. Like
the one that blew your PWS off the stand !!!

OK, We will keep the wind.

Steve

--- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, "k5kee / Deborah Kee"
<k5kee@...> wrote:
>
> Let me ask this, because apparently I have missed something on the
WFU site:
>
> Please explain the advantages of WFU versus WU.
>

I think it's good to have your data on WU AND WFY, actually.  It all
promotes the growth of the weather community.  So I don't look at it
as "versus" but if you're going to consider WU also consider WFY.

- Data from personal weather stations is included with local forecasts
as the primary current conditions along with clear credit to the
contributor and a link to their web site (if applicable).  One of the
contributors to the weatherforyou.com program provided these
statistics for their web site in October as to the referrals from
various sources...

direct  1,580 visits  68.67%
google   173 visits  7.52%
wunderground.com  126 visits  5.48%
weatherforyou.com  107 visits  4.65%

So, like I say, not as big as WU, but close.  ;)

- The data you submit can be used on the weatherforyou.com Snapshots
which can be used on your web site or others.  I even allow you to
link the image back to your own site if it's used on another site.  So
it's a great way to promote your site.  I also host
non-weatherforyou.com branded images for personal weather stations.

- If you use the HAMweather scripts you can display your data and the
data of other stations with their permission.  One example of this is
a regional weather network set up by northbayweather.com, operated by
the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat (a New York Times company).  You also
have free access to a METAR mirror which has data from METAR, RAWS and
other non-traditional sources meaning you can display weather for more
places.

- Coming soon... your data can be used on HAMvid Basic (
http://www.hamvid.com/news.php?n=6 ) so you can put Flash weather
videos on your web site with your data.

- We're part of the personal weather community and have been for
almost nine years.  I personally participate in and/or monitor the
forums of the software that supports weatherforyou.com.  I also am a
regular on wxforum.net


> Also, wouldn't it be possibly detrimental to submit the PWS data to
NOAA via
> WFU since submitting it to CWOP also sends it to NOAA? To put it another
> way, wouldn't their getting info from the same station from two
difference
> sources be potentially damaging to the outcome of their analysis?

This has been accomodated for by NOAA.  For stations that send data
through CWOP their weatherforyou.com data is listed as a "backup" to
CWOP.  For stations that don't send through CWOP the weatherforyou.com
data is there.


>Since all of us here are primarily
> WU PWS's, your providing a comparison outline (of sorts) would help.

Glad to.  And, like I say, if there's something we can do to serve the
community we want to know!  Much of what we do has come from
suggestions from personal weather station owners.  We're in the
community and are always looking for ideas.

> Lastly, my agreeing with Steve on his post earlier was simply as I
stated.
> He posted the same things I had been wondering and thinking - I merely
> seconded his post. I see no bickering here (yet), but a topic containing
> healthy opinions and discussions.

I'm glad you see it that way.  Always glad to participate in healthy
discussions.  :)


>This (my) specific post is an attempt to
> learn, and give WFU any and all benefit of promoting their site.

The benefit will, hopefully, all go back to personal weather stations.
  Honestly, if someone goes to weatherforyou.com, finds a personal
weather station web site in their area and never needs a "big" site
again (including weatherforyou.com) then our goal has been met.  That
might be contrary to traditional business sense, but we want to lead
people to personal weather station web sites, not take personal
weather station data and use it so people will always want to come
back to our site.  We're 100% debt free and don't have any venture
capital telling us what to do.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com

I just thought of what is, perhaps, a better way to ask my question of
the group.  Why do you post to Weather Underground and what makes it
important to be associated with them?  Maybe if I understood your
motives for that it would help me understand where weatherforyou.com
could improve.

My own web site (grantspassweather.com) sends data to WU for the same
reason I send it to weatherforyou.com... so people will find out about
it.  :)

Thanks in advance for any feedback.


--
  Joe Torsitano
  weatherforyou.com

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