There was no competition. At present no one would compete with me except myself.
This might change though pretty soon because Rüdiger Gamm has already attained
times near 50 seconds, and so have Simon Reinhard and Johannes Mallow.
My endeavour actually is not to be "the best" (which would be ridiculous as I am
nearly 70 years old) but to establish a fascinating mind sport for the number
pi.
Tony Buzan who assisted my presentation (in which I demonstrated that I can do
the pi-permutation also on the basis of 10,000 digits in the place of 100
digits) showed himself impressed. I promised to him to write about my method in
English, which I will do on www.likanas.de these days.

Ulrich Voigt


--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@...> wrote:
>
> Absolutely fantastic, well done, you must be very proud, please share with
> the group, how you did it and also any new techniques that you noticed at
> the competition
> congrats,
> Noel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I just put a short description of the method which I use for 10,000 digits on
www.likanas.de > Pi > The MikeMechtnon Method.
For 100 digits I use a different method, though, because the MikeMechtnon Method
is not adequate to be fast on such a short distance.

Ulrich Voigt


--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, "mnempi" <voigt@...> wrote:
>
> There was no competition. At present no one would compete with me except
myself. This might change though pretty soon because Rüdiger Gamm has already
attained times near 50 seconds, and so have Simon Reinhard and Johannes Mallow.
> My endeavour actually is not to be "the best" (which would be ridiculous as I
am nearly 70 years old) but to establish a fascinating mind sport for the number
pi.
> Tony Buzan who assisted my presentation (in which I demonstrated that I can do
the pi-permutation also on the basis of 10,000 digits in the place of 100
digits) showed himself impressed. I promised to him to write about my method in
English, which I will do on www.likanas.de these days.
>
> Ulrich Voigt
>
>
> --- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely fantastic, well done, you must be very proud, please share with
> > the group, how you did it and also any new techniques that you noticed at
> > the competition
> > congrats,
> > Noel
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Sorry, I changed the place to
www.likanas.de > Zahlen > "Englisch".
Ulrich Voigt

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, "mnempi" <voigt@...> wrote:
>
> I just put a short description of the method which I use for 10,000 digits on
www.likanas.de > Pi > The MikeMechtnon Method.
> For 100 digits I use a different method, though, because the MikeMechtnon
Method is not adequate to be fast on such a short distance.
>
> Ulrich Voigt
>
>
> --- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, "mnempi" <voigt@> wrote:
> >
> > There was no competition. At present no one would compete with me except
myself. This might change though pretty soon because Rüdiger Gamm has already
attained times near 50 seconds, and so have Simon Reinhard and Johannes Mallow.
> > My endeavour actually is not to be "the best" (which would be ridiculous as
I am nearly 70 years old) but to establish a fascinating mind sport for the
number pi.
> > Tony Buzan who assisted my presentation (in which I demonstrated that I can
do the pi-permutation also on the basis of 10,000 digits in the place of 100
digits) showed himself impressed. I promised to him to write about my method in
English, which I will do on www.likanas.de these days.
> >
> > Ulrich Voigt
> >
> >
> > --- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely fantastic, well done, you must be very proud, please share with
> > > the group, how you did it and also any new techniques that you noticed at
> > > the competition
> > > congrats,
> > > Noel
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

On www.likanas.de > Das Jahr im Kopf > HOW TO COMPUTE KEY CALENDAR DATES
I put in English language a treatment of the subject matter which is meant in
the first place to enable mental calculation and in the second place to pave the
way for mnemonic construction. The mathematics is from Das Jahr im Kopf with
some corrections and amendments.

Ulrich Voigt

why would it be ridiculous to be the best at 70??? that is more cause for
celebration, I have loaded the page from the link above, and this is an
impressive method but you said that you did not use it!, so what did you
use/ and how did Tony buzan help you?
thanks,
Noel


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm very interested in your technique fir the 10,000. I've recently begun
learning pi and found I could learn the first 700 or so with a bit of study. I
seem to be slowing down now and have been imagining a few different ways to
demarcate 100-digit blocks.

I was learning about 100 digits every 10 days with good speed and accuracy
before I slowed down a bit. (Lots of hours doing other brain-intensive work as
well may be why it is slow now.)

Are you able to explain in English? Is there any way I could perhaps assist the
translation? I would love to continue to see how far I can go with it. My brain
seems to devour it.

Best regards,
Suzanna

Suzanna Stinnett
www.GreatAdaptations.org
Your vision is part of the change

It is not ridiculous to be fast with 68, but it would be funny for an old man to
keep fastest long time. After all this mind sport depends very much on the
velocity of your reactions and your capacity to perceive and comprehend more
than one question at a time. Though Buzan says something to the contrary I still
feel that these things decline with age.

Of course I am somewhat proud to be so very fast, but personal ambition is not
my primary motive: I want to demonstrate that we need methods different from the
common route techniques to master permutations. And permutations are important
because they are exactly what we are confronted with in common life. If e.g. we
learn a vocabulary, the words will come up in permuted (= random) form. If we
play music, the notes will apear rather rarely in their natural order.

The method I describe is meant for long numbers (may be N > 1,000). I suppose it
was my ability to know e.g. digit no. 9,230 (= 7) in a few seconds rather than
my ability to be fast on N = 100, which impressed Buzan. We spent all Saturday
afternoon together and our talk was about what I call the MikeMechtnon method
(afterwards we spent some time over two games of Go).

It is true that for the short distance of N = 100 (or N = 10) I use a different
method. The reason why I am reluctant to speak about this method: It is so
simple that you would probably laugh about me (and yourself), and, on the other
hand, it gives me a considerable advantage over possible opponents. On
www.brainboard.eu > Gedächtnissport > Pi-Permutation you can read a discussion
which deals at length with methods. Johannes Mallow and Simon Reinhard (German
mmory masters of 2008 and 2009) participated.

Buzan said he would do something to make my world record be internationally
recognized. Honestly I do not really know, what exactly he can do.

In 2003 I wrote to "Guiness" about the pi-permutation of 2,500 double digits
which I made in about 6 hours (to-day I could be faster, but may be that I would
get too tired after some hours, and end up with failure). I did not even get an
answer.

Ulrich Voigt


--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@...> wrote:
>
> why would it be ridiculous to be the best at 70??? that is more cause for
> celebration, I have loaded the page from the link above, and this is an
> impressive method but you said that you did not use it!, so what did you
> use/ and how did Tony buzan help you?
> thanks,
> Noel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dear Suzanna

What you are doing is what many have already done before you. You are running up
that big big mountain (on www.likanas.de > pi > Können you might find a photo of
"Peak Pi") by sheer enthusiasm. Of course you will attain a considerable number
of digits, and then you will get lost. One reason for getting lost is that you
will start to forget, and you will not know how to organize recall.
On the other hand I recommend thorough preparation "professional style". A
description of my system you can find on www.likanas.de > Zahlen > Englisch. A
more detailed description on the same page "Deutsch".
This is only the outline. To speak about details we run into a problem because
the application of the major system depends on language. No use of translating
my peg words, I had to create so many new ones in English language.

Ulrich Voigt

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Suzanna <imaginecreating@...> wrote:
>
> I'm very interested in your technique fir the 10,000. I've recently begun
learning pi and found I could learn the first 700 or so with a bit of study. I
seem to be slowing down now and have been imagining a few different ways to
demarcate 100-digit blocks.
>
> I was learning about 100 digits every 10 days with good speed and accuracy
before I slowed down a bit. (Lots of hours doing other brain-intensive work as
well may be why it is slow now.)
>
> Are you able to explain in English? Is there any way I could perhaps assist
the translation? I would love to continue to see how far I can go with it. My
brain seems to devour it.
>
> Best regards,
> Suzanna
>
> Suzanna Stinnett
> www.GreatAdaptations.org
> Your vision is part of the change
>

you seem to be resigned to the fact of being an "old man", age is only
relative, if you feel 18 then you are 18, forget about age and strive to
make yourself better and better, who cares what age you are? ,The method you
used gave you a big advantage over possible and as you say it is very simple
then this is something you must share with us, if it is simple and alows
people to make big improvements then it is too be welcomed and not laughed
at, although laughter is always welcome.
Noel


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I think that aging is an objective process, which cannot be reasoned away. Look
at the age of competing mind sport athlets!
The reason, why I do not publish my  100-digit-method is simply this that
Rüdiger Gamm and I are planning a contest. My only advantage against super-brain
Rüdiger is my method.

Ulrich Voigt

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@...> wrote:
>
> you seem to be resigned to the fact of being an "old man", age is only
> relative, if you feel 18 then you are 18, forget about age and strive to
> make yourself better and better, who cares what age you are? ,The method you
> used gave you a big advantage over possible and as you say it is very simple
> then this is something you must share with us, if it is simple and alows
> people to make big improvements then it is too be welcomed and not laughed
> at, although laughter is always welcome.
> Noel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I do not think that simply denying the effect of aging is the best strategy.
Rather I feel that consciously taking measures to overcome obstacles which
inevitably present themselves for old people, is the way for continuing active
power. E.g. when recalling the 2 x 100 houses for 2 x 2,500 double digits
(MikeMechtnon style), in former times it would have been sufficient to count
slowly two times from 0 to 99 and visualize a complex scene for every number.
But to-day this would not suffice as my old memory tends to forget names. It
happens that I see very clearly the person acting as  "the mad professor", but I
do not succeed in recalling his name. So I have to make certain (before I
venture on stage with 10,000 digits)that I remember the name "Jerry Lewis":
Double digit no. 0258 = 64 = Jerry Lewis = Jerry. If I ignored my senile memory
I would run into the trap of "seeing" without "knowing". I even have begun to
safeguard names by association technique, e.g. I imagine that Jerry Lewis is a
remote cousin of Jerry (from Tom & Jerry).

Ulrich Voigt

AHH!, very good, well congrats to you and I look forward to reading about
your continued sucess in the future.
Regards,
Noel


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If "success" means < 44 s, may be I should not try to in order not to frustrate
competition. On the other hand if there would be a sponsor who offered an
attractive price money for < 40 s, this would certainly change the situation.
Besides there is the idea of a contest between "super-brain" Rüdiger Gamm (age
38) and "scientific" Ulrich Voigt (age 68) on the basis of N = 100 and N =
5,000. But, again, we feel unwilling to go into combat "just for fun".

Ulrich Voigt

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@...> wrote:
>
> AHH!, very good, well congrats to you and I look forward to reading about
> your continued sucess in the future.
> Regards,
> Noel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I should add that this paper has a deeper intention. As I think that from the
very beginning of Christian computistics and chronology in early 3rd century
mental mastery has been a basic element of construction, this paper tries to
contribute to a better understanding of the historical object.
This notably refers to what is called the Gregorian Calendar. Originally this
system was presented by Christopher Clavius as a bulky complex of tables. In
1700 the then famous astronomer D. Cassini demanded a reformulation of the
Clavius system in terms of mathematical algorithms. In fact Cassini already used
a means by which to compute the "Gregorian" moon by mental calculation, and it
was exactly this algorithm which was missed by Gauss in 1800, who obviously did
not read Cassini. Gauss had to correct himself in 1816 thus integrating
"Cassini" into his own system to make it complete.
The problem with Gauss, who was the first to produce an algorithm for the Easter
date, is that Gauss acted purely as a mathematician, not really interested in
the (ecclesiastical) subject matter. Consequently Gauss did only present naked
algorithms (numbers and letters), and did not shape any concepts to render
possible a substitution of the Clavius system by the Gauss system.
This work (to device a set of concepts for the Gauss system) was only shaped by
Heiner Lichtenberg in a series of articles (beginning 1997, Zur Interpretation
der Gaußschen Osterformel und ihrer Ausnahmeregeln, in: Historia Mathematica 24,
441-444).
Now, my paper is an attempt to do a bit better than Lichtenberg by devising a
system of concepts which comprise the Gregorian system as well as the
Julian-Dionysian system which it was meant to supersede. I have tried to be as
economical and as comprehensive as can be.

Ulrich Voigt

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, "mnempi" <voigt@...> wrote:
>
> On www.likanas.de > Das Jahr im Kopf > HOW TO COMPUTE KEY CALENDAR DATES
> I put in English language a treatment of the subject matter which is meant in
the first place to enable mental calculation and in the second place to pave the
way for mnemonic construction. The mathematics is from Das Jahr im Kopf with
some corrections and amendments.
>
> Ulrich Voigt
>

I just wrote some additional sentences in THE MIKEMECHTNON METHOD
(www.likanas.de > Zahlen > Englisch) refering to the relation between "old age"
and "mnemonics".

U.V.

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Noel Lackey <noel.lackey@...> wrote:
>
> AHH!, very good, well congrats to you and I look forward to reading about
> your continued sucess in the future.
> Regards,
> Noel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.

Regards,
Fahim

I am not personally aware of such dictionary and do not think it exists, but you
never know.

I personally get my ideas of weird and bizzare pictures by watching the cartoon
network. I pay attention to every detail and I find it great.

Best wishes,

  [ODia]




________________________________
From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@...>
To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:33:12 PM
Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary


Hi,

I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.

Regards,
Fahim







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Fahim,
 
      Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre, nutty, wild,
oddball
and comic images  taking too much time to mentally create is one of the main
reasons people
refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts.   They find out creating fantasy
is
too much work.   Therefore there must me a concerted effort by somebody or group
to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process.   I am
willing to
help get this procress started.  I some ideas on what might work using some
databases
already available.
      Medical students are the only group of people who I have monitored since
about
1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies.   They have so
much
to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a limited amount
of
time.
     In the meantime check out the site  http://thebizzare.com/  it might give
you
some creative ideas or thoughts.  You can e-mail me at the address listed below.
  
Frank Hopkins
Frank77477@...
Houston, Tx
    


 



________________________________
From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@...>
To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary

 
Hi,

I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.

Regards,
Fahim







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mr Voigt,
Thank you for your response! I would love to work with a preparatory system. I
will look at what you developed.

Other benefits of sheer memorization, however, seem to be greater ease of memory
in many other areas including language. But I can see there is a limit. Probably
around 1000-1300 digits I would be stumped.

Thank you kindly,
Suzanna Stinnett

Your vision is part of the change

How can one not be able to make a fantasy picture in a world of signs?

Yours
Sven

Frank Hopkins wrote:
>
>
> Fahim,
>
>       Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre,
> nutty, wild, oddball
> and comic images  taking too much time to mentally create is one of
> the main reasons people
> refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts.   They find out creating
> fantasy is
> too much work.   Therefore there must me a concerted effort by
> somebody or group
> to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process.   I
> am willing to
> help get this procress started.  I some ideas on what might work using
> some databases
> already available.
>       Medical students are the only group of people who I have
> monitored since about
> 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies.   They
> have so much
> to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a
> limited amount of
> time.
>      In the meantime check out the site  http://thebizzare.com/
> <http://thebizzare.com/>  it might give you
> some creative ideas or thoughts.  You can e-mail me at the address
> listed below.
>
> Frank Hopkins
> Frank77477@... <mailto:Frank77477%40yahoo.com>
> Houston, Tx
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@... <mailto:fahim_shk%40yahoo.com>>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:wwbc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into
> unusual, bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such
> a dictionary? Is it possible to write one? As we know that to best
> remember any word, we should convert it into unusual, bizarre,
> outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd, exaggerated pictures. But
> many a times it happens that pictures are not formed easily, sometimes
> the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are having
> the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
> couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally
> think of unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a
> dictionary on word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference
> book to quickly find the pictures we need.
>
> Regards,
> Fahim
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Suzanna Stinnet,

I do not think that there is a fundamental difference between "sheer
memorization" and "memorization by use of a preparatory aid". After you have
mastered the preparatory help you will always end up with sheer memorization.
If, on the other hand, you try to do sheer memorization, you will inevitably use
some perhaps unconscious preparatory help. So, if there be any benefit in sheer
memorization, we will get it anyway. But the preparatory can be more or less
professional.
If some day I loose the power of sheer memorization, no mnemonic trick whatever
will help me anyway.
The difference is only in the scope and solidity of the learned stuff. A fine
praparatory net should help my power of sheer memorization to develop more
easily.

regards
Ulrich Voigt



--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Suzanna <imaginecreating@...> wrote:
>
> Mr Voigt,
> Thank you for your response! I would love to work with a preparatory system. I
will look at what you developed.
>
> Other benefits of sheer memorization, however, seem to be greater ease of
memory in many other areas including language. But I can see there is a limit.
Probably around 1000-1300 digits I would be stumped.
>
> Thank you kindly,
> Suzanna Stinnett
>
> Your vision is part of the change
>

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the info. Mnemonist Ed Cooke is also working on such a software. Its
in a beta phase. You can check at www.memrise.com

Let me know if you have more info on my question.

Regards,


-- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Frank Hopkins <frank77477@...> wrote:
>
> Fahim,
>  
>       Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre, nutty,
wild, oddball
> and comic images  taking too much time to mentally create is one of the main
reasons people
> refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts.   They find out creating fantasy
is
> too much work.   Therefore there must me a concerted effort by somebody or
group
> to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process.   I am
willing to
> help get this procress started.  I some ideas on what might work using some
databases
> already available.
>       Medical students are the only group of people who I have monitored since
about
> 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies.   They have so
much
> to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a limited
amount of
> time.
>      In the meantime check out the site  http://thebizzare.com/  it might give
you
> some creative ideas or thoughts.  You can e-mail me at the address listed
below.
>   
> Frank Hopkins
> Frank77477@...
> Houston, Tx
>     
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@...>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
>
>  
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.
>
> Regards,
> Fahim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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  Fahim,
       Thanks for the information about Ed Cooke's project. 
       Where you able to finde the book of unusual pictures you
          were looking for?

Frank Hopkins
Houston, Tx
USA

 



________________________________
From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@...>
To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:46:40 AM
Subject: [wwbc] Re: Mnemonic Creations

 
Hi Frank,

Thanks for the info. Mnemonist Ed Cooke is also working on such a software. Its
in a beta phase. You can check at www.memrise. com

Let me know if you have more info on my question.

Regards,

-- In wwbc@yahoogroups. com, Frank Hopkins <frank77477@ ...> wrote:
>
> Fahim,
>  
>       Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre, nutty,
wild, oddball
> and comic images  taking too much time to mentally create is one of the main
reasons people
> refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts.   They find out creating fantasy
is
> too much work.   Therefore there must me a concerted effort by somebody or
group
> to create oftware  that will help in the mnemonic creation process.   I am
willing to
> help get this procress started.  I some ideas on what might work using some
databases
> already available.
>       Medical students are the only group of people who I have monitored since
about
> 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies.   They have so
much
> to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a limited
amount of
> time.
>      In the meantime check out the site  http://thebizzare. com/  it might
give you
> some creative ideas or thoughts.  You can e-mail me at the address listed
below.
>   
> Frank Hopkins
> Frank77477@. ..
> Houston, Tx
>     
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@. ..>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
>
>  
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.
>
> Regards,
> Fahim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sven Wetzel,

        Could you please go into a little more detail about what you mean. 
Maybe
give me an example.  I assume you live in Denmark or maybe Germany??

Frank Hopkins
Houston, Tx
USA



 



________________________________
From: Sven Wetzel <xanatoswetzel@...>
To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37:04 AM
Subject: Re: [wwbc] Mnemonic Creations

 
How can one not be able to make a fantasy picture in a world of signs?

Yours
Sven

Frank Hopkins wrote:
>
>
> Fahim,
>
> Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre,
> nutty, wild, oddball
> and comic images taking too much time to mentally create is one of
> the main reasons people
> refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts. They find out creating
> fantasy is
> too much work. Therefore there must me a concerted effort by
> somebody or group
> to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process. I
> am willing to
> help get this procress started. I some ideas on what might work using
> some databases
> already available.
> Medical students are the only group of people who I have
> monitored since about
> 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies. They
> have so much
> to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a
> limited amount of
> time.
> In the meantime check out the site http://thebizzare. com/
> <http://thebizzare. com/> it might give you
> some creative ideas or thoughts. You can e-mail me at the address
> listed below.
>
> Frank Hopkins
> Frank77477@yahoo. com <mailto:Frank77477% 40yahoo.com>
> Houston, Tx
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@yahoo. com <mailto:fahim_ shk%40yahoo. com>>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups. com <mailto:wwbc% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into
> unusual, bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such
> a dictionary? Is it possible to write one? As we know that to best
> remember any word, we should convert it into unusual, bizarre,
> outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd, exaggerated pictures. But
> many a times it happens that pictures are not formed easily, sometimes
> the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are having
> the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
> couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally
> think of unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a
> dictionary on word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference
> book to quickly find the pictures we need.
>
> Regards,
> Fahim
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Frank,

it is easy to see a fantasy picture of everything you see in your world
(in your house/ on your body etc...) .  When you see for example a cake
and you close your eyes do you see nothing? Because our eyes have seen
the cake long enough to have a picture of it in our inner eyes in  99%
of the cases you must see it when you close your eyes. When you have
trouble and the day was miserable then it could be that you see anything
else maybe your partner or a flower or nothing.

It is so that your fantasy is a soft skill and could be made better with
training. So for me I train it when I want to understand abstract things
for example when I make a inner picture of a computer model ( I am a IT
Professional) and look how I can solve a abstract problem with help of
this picture.

And yes I live in south Germany.

To your Idea of a mnemorization dictionary: You can make it a example
thing for people but no two persons wanted to accept the same picture
for the same fact. I read every Mnemonics book I can get and every Book
have the same techniques with different codings or rules. But all have
the same beginning in Greece or have the same history. So when you
wanted to have a good starting point for self study I wanted a
application that can give me the answer in my favorite system/s.
I have seen that xml/xslt is for such a thing a good Language.
When you wanted to try a simple thing with xml/xslt you can find a
Language called yml/yslt on : http://fdik.org/yml/ . It is a Language
that translates with the help of python to xml/xslt .

I have written plugins for tiddlywiki in javascript that can help with
the creation of loci (location based mnemorization) , list mnemorization
, and mnemorization with own sem3 numbers/assoziation. At the moment
they make usage of a training software library from
http://mnemorization.com . But only to review/train for the user the
learning facts. But they can live without that library then you can at
the moment only list the assoziation. And the training part must then be
solved in an extra step.

Then you want you can contact me over this list or over xanatoswetzel AT
googlemail.com to brainstorm what can be possible to make this alive.

Your
Sven Wetzel


Frank Hopkins wrote:
>
>
> Sven Wetzel,
>
>         Could you please go into a little more detail about what you
> mean.  Maybe
> give me an example.  I assume you live in Denmark or maybe Germany??
>
> Frank Hopkins
> Houston, Tx
> USA
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sven Wetzel <xanatoswetzel@... <mailto:xanatoswetzel%40web.de>>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:wwbc%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [wwbc] Mnemonic Creations
>
>
> How can one not be able to make a fantasy picture in a world of signs?
>
> Yours
> Sven
>
> Frank Hopkins wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fahim,
> >
> > Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre,
> > nutty, wild, oddball
> > and comic images taking too much time to mentally create is one of
> > the main reasons people
> > refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts. They find out creating
> > fantasy is
> > too much work. Therefore there must me a concerted effort by
> > somebody or group
> > to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process. I
> > am willing to
> > help get this procress started. I some ideas on what might work using
> > some databases
> > already available.
> > Medical students are the only group of people who I have
> > monitored since about
> > 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies. They
> > have so much
> > to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a
> > limited amount of
> > time.
> > In the meantime check out the site http://thebizzare. com/
> > <http://thebizzare. com/> it might give you
> > some creative ideas or thoughts. You can e-mail me at the address
> > listed below.
> >
> > Frank Hopkins
> > Frank77477@yahoo. com <mailto:Frank77477% 40yahoo.com>
> > Houston, Tx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@yahoo. com <mailto:fahim_ shk%40yahoo. com>>
> > To: wwbc@yahoogroups. com <mailto:wwbc% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> > Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into
> > unusual, bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such
> > a dictionary? Is it possible to write one? As we know that to best
> > remember any word, we should convert it into unusual, bizarre,
> > outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd, exaggerated pictures. But
> > many a times it happens that pictures are not formed easily, sometimes
> > the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are having
> > the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
> > couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally
> > think of unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a
> > dictionary on word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference
> > book to quickly find the pictures we need.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Fahim
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Sven Wetzel,

Can't understand. Could you please explain in simpler terms.

Thanks,
Fahim.


--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Sven Wetzel <xanatoswetzel@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Frank,
>
> it is easy to see a fantasy picture of everything you see in your world
> (in your house/ on your body etc...) .  When you see for example a cake
> and you close your eyes do you see nothing? Because our eyes have seen
> the cake long enough to have a picture of it in our inner eyes in  99%
> of the cases you must see it when you close your eyes. When you have
> trouble and the day was miserable then it could be that you see anything
> else maybe your partner or a flower or nothing.
>
> It is so that your fantasy is a soft skill and could be made better with
> training. So for me I train it when I want to understand abstract things
> for example when I make a inner picture of a computer model ( I am a IT
> Professional) and look how I can solve a abstract problem with help of
> this picture.
>
> And yes I live in south Germany.
>
> To your Idea of a mnemorization dictionary: You can make it a example
> thing for people but no two persons wanted to accept the same picture
> for the same fact. I read every Mnemonics book I can get and every Book
> have the same techniques with different codings or rules. But all have
> the same beginning in Greece or have the same history. So when you
> wanted to have a good starting point for self study I wanted a
> application that can give me the answer in my favorite system/s.
> I have seen that xml/xslt is for such a thing a good Language.
> When you wanted to try a simple thing with xml/xslt you can find a
> Language called yml/yslt on : http://fdik.org/yml/ . It is a Language
> that translates with the help of python to xml/xslt .
>
> I have written plugins for tiddlywiki in javascript that can help with
> the creation of loci (location based mnemorization) , list mnemorization
> , and mnemorization with own sem3 numbers/assoziation. At the moment
> they make usage of a training software library from
> http://mnemorization.com . But only to review/train for the user the
> learning facts. But they can live without that library then you can at
> the moment only list the assoziation. And the training part must then be
> solved in an extra step.
>
> Then you want you can contact me over this list or over xanatoswetzel AT
> googlemail.com to brainstorm what can be possible to make this alive.
>
> Your
> Sven Wetzel
>
>
> Frank Hopkins wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sven Wetzel,
> >
> >         Could you please go into a little more detail about what you
> > mean.  Maybe
> > give me an example.  I assume you live in Denmark or maybe Germany??
> >
> > Frank Hopkins
> > Houston, Tx
> > USA
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sven Wetzel <xanatoswetzel@... <mailto:xanatoswetzel%40web.de>>
> > To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com <mailto:wwbc%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:37:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [wwbc] Mnemonic Creations
> >
> >
> > How can one not be able to make a fantasy picture in a world of signs?
> >
> > Yours
> > Sven
> >
> > Frank Hopkins wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Fahim,
> > >
> > > Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre,
> > > nutty, wild, oddball
> > > and comic images taking too much time to mentally create is one of
> > > the main reasons people
> > > refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts. They find out creating
> > > fantasy is
> > > too much work. Therefore there must me a concerted effort by
> > > somebody or group
> > > to create oftware that will help in the mnemonic creation process. I
> > > am willing to
> > > help get this procress started. I some ideas on what might work using
> > > some databases
> > > already available.
> > > Medical students are the only group of people who I have
> > > monitored since about
> > > 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies. They
> > > have so much
> > > to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a
> > > limited amount of
> > > time.
> > > In the meantime check out the site http://thebizzare. com/
> > > <http://thebizzare. com/> it might give you
> > > some creative ideas or thoughts. You can e-mail me at the address
> > > listed below.
> > >
> > > Frank Hopkins
> > > Frank77477@yahoo. com <mailto:Frank77477% 40yahoo.com>
> > > Houston, Tx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@yahoo. com <mailto:fahim_ shk%40yahoo. com>>
> > > To: wwbc@yahoogroups. com <mailto:wwbc% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> > > Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into
> > > unusual, bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such
> > > a dictionary? Is it possible to write one? As we know that to best
> > > remember any word, we should convert it into unusual, bizarre,
> > > outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd, exaggerated pictures. But
> > > many a times it happens that pictures are not formed easily, sometimes
> > > the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are having
> > > the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
> > > couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally
> > > think of unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a
> > > dictionary on word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference
> > > book to quickly find the pictures we need.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Fahim
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hey Frank,

I have found a website on dreams where you could picturize dreams and
get some ideas for mental imagination and association
http://www.dreammoods.com/dreambank

Regards,
Fahim

--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, Frank Hopkins <frank77477@...> wrote:
>
>   Fahim,
>        Thanks for the information about Ed Cooke's project. 
>        Where you able to finde the book of unusual pictures you
>           were looking for?
>
> Frank Hopkins
> Houston, Tx
> USA
>
>  
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@...>
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:46:40 AM
> Subject: [wwbc] Re: Mnemonic Creations
>
>  
> Hi Frank,
>
> Thanks for the info. Mnemonist Ed Cooke is also working on such a software.
Its in a beta phase. You can check at www.memrise. com
>
> Let me know if you have more info on my question.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- In wwbc@yahoogroups. com, Frank Hopkins <frank77477@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Fahim,
> >  
> >       Your comment about people not being able to make up bizarre, nutty,
wild, oddball
> > and comic images  taking too much time to mentally create is one of the main
reasons people
> > refuse to use mnemonics after a few attempts.   They find out creating
fantasy is
> > too much work.   Therefore there must me a concerted effort by somebody or
group
> > to create oftware  that will help in the mnemonic creation process.   I am
willing to
> > help get this procress started.  I some ideas on what might work using some
databases
> > already available.
> >       Medical students are the only group of people who I have monitored
since about
> > 1997 that really make good use of mnemonics in their studies.   They have so
much
> > to learn are are desparate for methods to retain information in a limited
amount of
> > time.
> >      In the meantime check out the site  http://thebizzare. com/  it might
give you
> > some creative ideas or thoughts.  You can e-mail me at the address listed
below.
> >   
> > Frank Hopkins
> > Frank77477@ ..
> > Houston, Tx
> >     
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: fahim_shk <fahim_shk@ ..>
> > To: wwbc@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:33:12 AM
> > Subject: [wwbc] Words / bizarre, unsual picture dictionary
> >
> >  
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wonder if there is dictionary in which words are converted into unusual,
bizarre pictures for memorization. Where could I find a such a dictionary? Is it
possible to write one? As we know that to best remember any word, we should
convert it into unusual, bizarre, outrageous, non-sensical, funny, absurd,
exaggerated pictures. But many a times it happens that pictures are not formed
easily, sometimes the pictures are overlapping with previous ones i.e. they are
having the similar thoughts. Also sometimes the unsual pictures or events
couldn't be thought of and many a times it takes long time to mentally think of
unusual, bizarre pictures. But if memory experts can write a dictionary on
word-picture conversions it would be a handy reference book to quickly find the
pictures we need.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Fahim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hey guys,
Seems like there has been a problem? No messages etc going through. Can anyone
share news on this?

Thanks,

Daren