Good morning all,

Just received this month's "Neuroscience for Kids" newsletter.  Thought
those of you with contact to young people might appreciate (in particular)
the "Brain Origami" -- certainly got me thinking about yet another way to
get information to the receiver!!!!

TTFN

Dave

Dave Bramwell
Learning Experiences

http://www.learningexperiences.net


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Mikael,

Keep trying. Don't quit. If you quit trying you
may never reach your goal.

You can do it. Keep researching new ways to
learn. There are at least four learning styles.
You must find which one is right for you.

You can. You can You can.

Please don't give up on yourself.

People have faith in you and you will soon have
faith in yourself.

Do it. Do it. Do it.

Keep trying. Keep studying. It's your oportunity
to advance. Go for it and stay positive. It can
happen for you.

All the best,
A friend




--- Nahcmy <nahcmy@...> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I may be a little late in answering.  I regret
> to say that I'm one of
> the statistic that is under the category of
> doesn't work for me.
>
> Also, very insightful and interesting view from
> Charlie.  I share your
> opinion.
>
> Regards,
> Nahcmy
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: minnesmicke <micke_75@...>
> [mailto:micke_75@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [wwbc] Re: Speed Reading
>
>
> "Speed-reading takes enormous amount of time to
> practice. I am sorry but 10 minutes a day sort
> of
> advice is deceit. Like "10 minutes an ab shaper
> everyday and you will have perfect muscles in
> seven
> days!" Have you ever seen anyone like this?"
>
> Actually 10 minutes of ab training every day
> would be too much. You
> would have to do 10 minutes 2 or 3 times a
> week, because otherwise
> you would burn yourself out.
>
> But I see your point. The problem is that it
> did not work after one
> hour a day for several weeks either. And that
> brings me back to the
> original question:
>
> Is there any information about how many it
> works for?
>
> Can the persons here that give courses or
> similar in speed reading
> tell me from their point of view how many fails
> completely, or almost
> completely? Am I a freak since it does not work
> for me?
>
> Mikael
>
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HI All
I looking for a good speed reading program? Are there any freeware programs
that out there?
I have read about several that are in the $200-$400 range. Not anoption at
this point for me.

Darren Pond

No I don't think he's trying to censor you Claus.
This is a memory enhancing site. If you think it
enhances a persons ability to memorize more info
by discussing politics go right ahead. As a
reading/english teacher i think you are a bit out
of pocket. Please don't waste people's
productivity by turning off topic.

Respectfully as possible under the circumstances,
WC Flowers

Anyone know of a productive user group for people
who want to study memory improvement/speed
reading.


--- John Newell <john.newell@...>
wrote:
> steviehullyyy@... says:
> "Claus, this is forum on memory, mind mapping
> etc.
> Please keep your daft views to yourself or
> voice them
> somewhere relevant."
>
> What is daft about his views?  I don't see any
> explanation or reasoning here.  Keep such
> pejorative statements to yourself or voice them
> somewhere relevant.
>
>

Hi

I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is great;
but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has passed
(months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major system
and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a lot
easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how do i
improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
better results? Do you have any other idea?


thanks,
Uros

Hi,
Thank you for your input. From the reactions on the wwbc I conclude that a
lot of members feel that speed reading doesn't work for them personally.

In another post I explained how I had started to practice speed reading
myself and I must say that I did indeed improve my reading speed. It works
quite well for me and I started thinking: Hey! I could be teaching this
stuff to others! This is really a useful skill! I could enrich people's
lives and earn some money too!

Of course if I would go and teach about speed reading. I'd need to know
about the difficulties people are experiencing. Could you help me out here?

Which part of the speed reading process isn't working for you? Or let me put
it differently... in your normal reading, which subskills do or don't help
you in reading faster?

1. Does reading with a visual guide improve your speed and/or focus?

2. Doesn't the 'highway effect' occur if you do the following short!
exercise?
(read extremely fast, don't worry about comprehension for 1 or 2 minutes,
then start reading at your normal comprehension rate. The effect is similar
to coming off the highway into a town, slowing down to what you think is
50kmph and getting a ticket for 60 or more. Try this one, it requires zero
training and only a few minutes of your time)

3. Of course, for difficult material you read slower and for easier material
faster. When you become conscious of your reading speed, coming from a
difficult passage in a book to an easy introduction to the next chapter. Do
you increase your speed?

4. Does analyzing a book's structure and contents by checking the table of
contents and pictures increase your understanding of the material?


...Of course, I can go on and write more subskills. But I think four
subskills is already a very good start.

Eddie

PS: I'd really appreciate your replies. Also if the answer would be that
none of the above works.

PPS: What are your experiences with MindMapping and Mnemonics. Do they work
for you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 23:21:22 +0800
    From: "Nahcmy" <nahcmy@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Speed Reading

Dear All,

I may be a little late in answering.  I regret to say that I'm one of
the statistic that is under the category of doesn't work for me.

Also, very insightful and interesting view from Charlie.  I share your
opinion.

Regards,
Nahcmy

EVERYONE,

Hi there.  Lee from Glasgow, anyone else into Mindmapping?

Rita Carter "mapping the mind" is a wonderful book

Lee

I just listened to Dominic O'Brien's Quantum Memory Power, and it's
fantastic. I'm having a little trouble completing my list of initials
and thier associated person. Anyone have a list, or can possibly help
with the following initials?




AC, BD, EB, SE, SN, GB, GN, HN, NE, NG, OC, OE




I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance.

In book no. 4, which is called "Party Tricks & Memory
Feats", in the Linguaphone course "Super Memory Power"
Dominique O'Brian describes how to win at blackjack.
This is a comprehensive course dealing with all the
techniques that Mr. O'Brian has developed.

However, this course, which consists of 4 books and 12
audio cassettes is rather expensive (ca. £100) and
could be hard to find for purchase.

Good luck.

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Hi Darren,

Perhaps you might want to try this site www.educationpress.com

Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Pond" <pond27@...>
To: <wwbc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: [wwbc] speed reading


> HI All
> I looking for a good speed reading program? Are there any freeware
programs
> that out there?
> I have read about several that are in the $200-$400 range. Not anoption at
> this point for me.
>
> Darren Pond
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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to:
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>
>
>

Which part of the speed reading process isn't
> working for you? Or let me put
> it differently... in your normal reading, which
> subskills do or don't help
> you in reading faster?

I use AceReader. It's free and it seems to work.
The only problem I've been having is the self
discipline required to actually use the software.
I mean that must sound funny but, I guess some
people are just lazy pampered bastards like me.
Pardon the french but anyhoo.

Does anyone in this group know very much about
different learning styles. I'de like to know
more.

Thanks,
WC


--- Eddie <eddie@...> wrote:

>
>
> 1. Does reading with a visual guide improve
> your speed and/or focus?

Absolutely! Yes. yes. yes.

> 2. Doesn't the 'highway effect' occur if you do
> the following short!
> exercise?
> (read extremely fast, don't worry about
> comprehension for 1 or 2 minutes,
> then start reading at your normal comprehension
> rate. The effect is similar
> to coming off the highway into a town, slowing
> down to what you think is
> 50kmph and getting a ticket for 60 or more. Try
> this one, it requires zero
> training and only a few minutes of your time)

Yes.

> 3. Of course, for difficult material you read
> slower and for easier material
> faster. When you become conscious of your
> reading speed, coming from a
> difficult passage in a book to an easy
> introduction to the next chapter. Do
> you increase your speed?

Yes.

> 4. Does analyzing a book's structure and
> contents by checking the table of
> contents and pictures increase your
> understanding of the material?
Yes.


> ...Of course, I can go on and write more
> subskills. But I think four
> subskills is already a very good start.
>
> Eddie
>
> PS: I'd really appreciate your replies. Also if
> the answer would be that
> none of the above works.
>
> PPS: What are your experiences with MindMapping
> and Mnemonics. Do they work
> for you?

Don't use that stuff very much. It seems
redundant to me as I'm a spatial visualization
buff. I do that stuff without pen and paper but,
it is helpful for monitoring what other
people/students are doing.

Which part of the speed reading process isn't
> working for you? Or let me put
> it differently... in your normal reading, which
> subskills do or don't help
> you in reading faster?

I use AceReader. It's free and it seems to work.
The only problem I've been having is the self
discipline required to actually use the software.
I mean that must sound funny but, I guess some
people are just lazy bastards like me.
Pardon the french but anyhoo.

Does anyone in this group know very much about
different learning styles. I'de like to know
more. I understand that there are four different
learning styles.

Thanks,
WC


--- Eddie <eddie@...> wrote:

>
>
> 1. Does reading with a visual guide improve
> your speed and/or focus?

Absolutely! Yes. yes. yes.

> 2. Doesn't the 'highway effect' occur if you do
> the following short!
> exercise?
> (read extremely fast, don't worry about
> comprehension for 1 or 2 minutes,
> then start reading at your normal comprehension
> rate. The effect is similar
> to coming off the highway into a town, slowing
> down to what you think is
> 50kmph and getting a ticket for 60 or more. Try
> this one, it requires zero
> training and only a few minutes of your time)

Yes.

> 3. Of course, for difficult material you read
> slower and for easier material
> faster. When you become conscious of your
> reading speed, coming from a
> difficult passage in a book to an easy
> introduction to the next chapter. Do
> you increase your speed?

Yes.

> 4. Does analyzing a book's structure and
> contents by checking the table of
> contents and pictures increase your
> understanding of the material?
Yes.


> ...Of course, I can go on and write more
> subskills. But I think four
> subskills is already a very good start.
>
> Eddie
>
> PS: I'd really appreciate your replies. Also if
> the answer would be that
> none of the above works.
>
> PPS: What are your experiences with MindMapping
> and Mnemonics. Do they work
> for you?

Don't use that stuff very much. It seems
redundant to me as I'm a spatial visualization
buff. I do that stuff without pen and paper but,
it is helpful for monitoring what other
people/students are doing.

I think, that their is some misconception on your part, what this discussion
group is about.

Please study a bit the discussions, were were done during the last 3 years in
this group and you will discover, that memorizing technics always were
discussed, but were not the main or sole topic.

Mindmapping,  speed reading,  religious aspects, even astrology were
discussed.

I have some problem to really understand, why memorizing technics are so over
estimated.

Thinking is much more than only memorizing.

regards
Claus


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by golly Claus you're so right.

Thanks for your input.

--- cmartin336@... wrote:
> I think, that their is some misconception on
> your part, what this discussion
> group is about.
>
> Please study a bit the discussions, were were
> done during the last 3 years in
> this group and you will discover, that
> memorizing technics always were
> discussed, but were not the main or sole topic.
>
> Mindmapping,  speed reading,  religious
> aspects, even astrology were
> discussed.
>
> I have some problem to really understand, why
> memorizing technics are so over
> estimated.
>
> Thinking is much more than only memorizing.
>
> regards
> Claus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

Hello !
I am from India.
It depends on from where you are . List may not be useful if you are from
somewhere other than India. One has to make it , so that he is aware of the
actions associated with it and if one makes it for own , the recall becomes
easier.
Note a few of following famous personalities from India ( below in your message
)
If you know the personalities , it is easier to define their actions.
Now , regarding me, to all group member , I have list initials for one deck (52
cards) and go through all cards within 2 mins. But making story and recalling
the exact seqence takes quite longer time ( about 15-20 mins). I am trying to
increase the speed. However , if anybody has any suggestion - how to improve the
speed ? Perhaps John Louis may have suggestion for me . Would be thankful
somebody cud guide.
All the best ! Good Day !
Vinod
  Nieya <nieyaa@...> wrote:
I just listened to Dominic O'Brien's Quantum Memory Power, and it's
fantastic. I'm having a little trouble completing my list of initials
and thier associated person. Anyone have a list, or can possibly help
with the following initials?

AC - Alisha Chenoi - Pop Singer

BD - Bobby Deol - Actor with curly hair

EB -

SE -

SN -

GB -

GN - Guru Nanak - Saint

HN -

NE -

NG - Nargis - Actress

OC -

OE -


I'd be very grateful. Thanks in advance.


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> No I don't think he's trying to censor you Claus.

Concur.  Take a look at the list description.  Feel free to think whatever
you wish, but I recommend that you try a bit of thinking about where you
express it.  Your freedom of speach does not extend to others obligation to
listen.



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Dear Jarle Diesen,

I would like to ask for your comments on "Learn to remember", "How to develop a
perfect memory", "The Amazing Box" and "Super Memory Power".

Is it worth to buy the expansive "Super Memory Power" and what the four books
are? More detailed and more in depth than other books of Dominic O'Brien? Also,
where can I purchase it?

Many thanks.

Neo
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jarle Diesen
   To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [wwbc] Dominic O' Brien and Blackjack


   In book no. 4, which is called "Party Tricks & Memory
   Feats", in the Linguaphone course "Super Memory Power"
   Dominique O'Brian describes how to win at blackjack.
   This is a comprehensive course dealing with all the
   techniques that Mr. O'Brian has developed.

   However, this course, which consists of 4 books and 12
   audio cassettes is rather expensive (ca. £100) and
   could be hard to find for purchase.

   Good luck.

   jd

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our mind has great apetite for revision.As a chemistry teacher, i tell my
students the following for long retention.
memory rhythms should be followed.that is,
1).first of learn the material using memory techniques
2).revise with in one day (with in 24 hours)
3).revise within 3 days
4).revise within 7 days
5).revise within 28 days
6).revise within 3 months
7).revise within 6 months
         the revisions depend on how long you want to retain the material. as far
as i am concerned, roman room system is the best to store & retain information
for a longer time.
       why not you make a try ?
good luck
john louis

  urosp99 <urosp99@...> wrote:
Hi

I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is great;
but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has passed
(months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major system
and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a lot
easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how do i
improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
better results? Do you have any other idea?


thanks,
Uros



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is anybody practising memorising a deck of cards by the following methods.

1).52 cards have 52 different objects & locating them in 52 locations.

2).each card has a person & action & locating 2 cards in each location (26
locations in total).

3).each card has a person, action & object and locating 3 cards in each location
(18 locations in total).

please share your experiences. which method is superior & faster ?

john louis

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I use objects (some of them are people), but locate two of them at
each point on a 26-location route. Sometimes interacting in some way,
sometimes just sitting next to each other, depending on how well they
work together. I have a set of rules that I made up as I went along
(and couldn't explain in writing, although it's very simple in my
mind...) regarding position and interaction based on which card comes
first, so I don't get the order of the two cards mixed up.

I personally think this is quicker than using people and actions.
This way, it's like looking at 26 snapshots, rather than 26 brief
film-clips. I think if you use actions (I tried it with binary
numbers last year, and gave it up as a bad idea), you have to use
your conscious mind more to make the picture, whereas if I use
objects, it just pops into my head without having to think about it
so much. But maybe that's just me...

Ben


--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@y...> wrote:
>
> is anybody practising memorising a deck of cards by the following
methods.
>
> 1).52 cards have 52 different objects & locating them in 52
locations.
>
> 2).each card has a person & action & locating 2 cards in each
location (26 locations in total).
>
> 3).each card has a person, action & object and locating 3 cards in
each location (18 locations in total).
>
> please share your experiences. which method is superior & faster ?
>
> john louis
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Between Learn to Remember and How To Develop A Perfect Memory, it is no
contest; HTDAPM is a much richer book. It is also pretty much impossible to
acquire a copy - I have tried for months. Someone out of the group was kind
enough to lend me a copy, and I did jot some notes down before returning it.
As a matter of fact it was someone in the group.

This said, the essence of Mr O'Brien technnique IS within the pages of Learn
to Remember; it is just the the other book is much more complete.

miochel Asselin

A thread of my interest. It's what I was waiting that someone should start. I am
memorising a deck of cards. I can visualise 52 cards , in pairs - person and
action within one minute. However, placing them in sequence on loci ( journey
locations )  is a bit tidious. It takes a longer time. However , I hope to do so
within 5 mins in coming few weeks. Besides I am not using any computer programme
for practice ( do you suggest some ? ). I use cards for practice. I use second
method mentioned by you i.e. each card has a person & action & locating 2 cards
in each location (26 locations in total). The loci are from my daily journey to
office. I find Dominic Method more convenient and effective. Need more guidance
on increasing speed from the members.

Thanks

vinod


  JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote:
is anybody practising memorising a deck of cards by the following methods.

1).52 cards have 52 different objects & locating them in 52 locations.

2).each card has a person & action & locating 2 cards in each location (26
locations in total).

3).each card has a person, action & object and locating 3 cards in each location
(18 locations in total).

please share your experiences. which method is superior & faster ?

john louis

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Some times i prefer using acronyms to remember text material / essays - noting 
initials from points and making acronyms. But sometimes I find it difficult to
make meaningful acronym / sentence from those initials. Could you suggest some
software to find meaningful acryonyms ? any member have any idea ?
Thanks
VINOD
  JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote:
our mind has great apetite for revision.As a chemistry teacher, i tell my
students the following for long retention.
memory rhythms should be followed.that is,
1).first of learn the material using memory techniques
2).revise with in one day (with in 24 hours)
3).revise within 3 days
4).revise within 7 days
5).revise within 28 days
6).revise within 3 months
7).revise within 6 months
         the revisions depend on how long you want to retain the material. as far
as i am concerned, roman room system is the best to store & retain information
for a longer time.
       why not you make a try ?
good luck
john louis

urosp99 <urosp99@...> wrote:
Hi

I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is great;
but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has passed
(months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major system
and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a lot
easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how do i
improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
better results? Do you have any other idea?


thanks,
Uros



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Hi Vinod and the Group,

Yes you may not find good acronyms all the time. In such cases, this is what I
do.

Lets say that I have to remember the following sequence of letters:

GDNUFRSD

This is what I do:

GooD eNUF FoR Sanjay Dutt

Well, Sanjay Dutt is an actor in India.

Two FAQs:

1. What if I recall it as ENOUGH instead of eNUF?
A. This never happens. Atleast it didn't happen to me. The attention you put in
while making such words will itself see that you will not have any confusion.

2. Lets say I recall the whole phrase correctly. But there is no word associated
to the letter O.So, what happens if I start wasting my time thinking about what
could O mean in FoR?
A. Again, practice will tell you that you will not have this problem. Your "true
memory"(as Harry Lorayne calls it) will assist you.

Another advantage with this system is that you will not have to re-arrange the
letters to make words. I have memorised hundreds of essays for my exams and
never did I face any problem with coming up with such phrases from the sequence
of the letters.

The most important thing is to link this phrase with the main key word of the
essay. For example, you are using these letters for remembering the main points
of an essay, say, "Pollution and its impact", make sure that you associate
pollution with Sanjay Dutt in a funny way.

I hope I was clear. I usually do all this in a matter of seconds. But as Ben
said in a previous mail, sometimes, it might be difficult to put it in words.

In case you have any sequences of letters for which you want to come up with
such phrases, you can mail me.

Nishant Kasibhatla
Delhi, India.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: VINOD SEDANI
   To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:04 PM
   Subject: Re: [wwbc] long term memorization



   Some times i prefer using acronyms to remember text material / essays - noting
initials from points and making acronyms. But sometimes I find it difficult to
make meaningful acronym / sentence from those initials. Could you suggest some
software to find meaningful acryonyms ? any member have any idea ?
   Thanks
   VINOD
   JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote:
   our mind has great apetite for revision.As a chemistry teacher, i tell my
students the following for long retention.
   memory rhythms should be followed.that is,
   1).first of learn the material using memory techniques
   2).revise with in one day (with in 24 hours)
   3).revise within 3 days
   4).revise within 7 days
   5).revise within 28 days
   6).revise within 3 months
   7).revise within 6 months
           the revisions depend on how long you want to retain the material. as
far as i am concerned, roman room system is the best to store & retain
information for a longer time.
         why not you make a try ?
   good luck
   john louis

   urosp99 <urosp99@...> wrote:
   Hi

   I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is great;
   but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has passed
   (months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major system
   and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
   didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a lot
   easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how do i
   improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
   better results? Do you have any other idea?


   thanks,
   Uros



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--- In wwbc@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@y...> wrote:
>
> our mind has great apetite for revision.As a chemistry teacher,
i tell my students the following for long retention.
> memory rhythms should be followed.that is,
> 1).first of learn the material using memory techniques
> 2).revise with in one day (with in 24 hours)
> 3).revise within 3 days
> 4).revise within 7 days
> 5).revise within 28 days
> 6).revise within 3 months
> 7).revise within 6 months
>         the revisions depend on how long you want to retain the
material. as far as i am concerned, roman room system is the best
to store & retain information for a longer time.
>       why not you make a try ?
> good luck
> john louis

Thanks for your response John.

I already tried the technique similiar to that you have
suggested. My revision rythm was:
1. first of learn the material using memory techniques
2. revise with in the same day
3. revise within 7 days
4. revise within month
5. revise within 4 months
6. revise within a year

It is hard to mesure the results, but i think it worked quite
well. The problem IMHO with this technique is that it is time
consuming (and i think we use mnemonic techniques to memorize
information quicker), you have to have the text written somewhere
and well organized (which also takes time and i usually just
memorize things without writting them down). The other problem i
see with this technique is, you have to be very discplined. For
example:
Do you really want to do revisions on your holiday? Are you going
to drag the books with you? :).


What bothers me is that just seems stupid to learn sth in order
to forget most of it afterwards (or forget how to retrieve it).

Uros


>
>  urosp99 <urosp99@y...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is
great;
> but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has
passed
> (months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major
system
> and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
> didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a
lot
> easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how
do i
> improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
> better results? Do you have any other idea?
>
>
> thanks,
> Uros
>

Nobody is forced to listen.

But think about your argumentation.  Just wanting to keep ones belief system
and not being prepared to think about other arguments is not the best way to
develop an independent system.

regards

Claus


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Hi all,

You can check the following url for tens of names for
your Dominic List

www.hsx.com

Actually, it is a Hollywood stock exchange game, where
you can trade stocks and see how good you are in movie
business!

Anyway for names simply register and then click
"movie" and then "starbonds". There is also always a
photo of the person you choose.



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Thanks for your response Nishant ! Your method should work for me also. It's
interesting. Will get back to you if , have  any difficulty.
VINOD (INDIA - MUMBAI)
  Nishant Kasibhatla <groups@...> wrote:Hi Vinod and the Group,

Yes you may not find good acronyms all the time. In such cases, this is what I
do.

Lets say that I have to remember the following sequence of letters:

GDNUFRSD

This is what I do:

GooD eNUF FoR Sanjay Dutt

Well, Sanjay Dutt is an actor in India.

Two FAQs:

1. What if I recall it as ENOUGH instead of eNUF?
A. This never happens. Atleast it didn't happen to me. The attention you put in
while making such words will itself see that you will not have any confusion.

2. Lets say I recall the whole phrase correctly. But there is no word associated
to the letter O.So, what happens if I start wasting my time thinking about what
could O mean in FoR?
A. Again, practice will tell you that you will not have this problem. Your "true
memory"(as Harry Lorayne calls it) will assist you.

Another advantage with this system is that you will not have to re-arrange the
letters to make words. I have memorised hundreds of essays for my exams and
never did I face any problem with coming up with such phrases from the sequence
of the letters.

The most important thing is to link this phrase with the main key word of the
essay. For example, you are using these letters for remembering the main points
of an essay, say, "Pollution and its impact", make sure that you associate
pollution with Sanjay Dutt in a funny way.

I hope I was clear. I usually do all this in a matter of seconds. But as Ben
said in a previous mail, sometimes, it might be difficult to put it in words.

In case you have any sequences of letters for which you want to come up with
such phrases, you can mail me.

Nishant Kasibhatla
Delhi, India.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: VINOD SEDANI
   To: wwbc@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 12:04 PM
   Subject: Re: [wwbc] long term memorization



   Some times i prefer using acronyms to remember text material / essays - noting
initials from points and making acronyms. But sometimes I find it difficult to
make meaningful acronym / sentence from those initials. Could you suggest some
software to find meaningful acryonyms ? any member have any idea ?
   Thanks
   VINOD
   JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote:
   our mind has great apetite for revision.As a chemistry teacher, i tell my
students the following for long retention.
   memory rhythms should be followed.that is,
   1).first of learn the material using memory techniques
   2).revise with in one day (with in 24 hours)
   3).revise within 3 days
   4).revise within 7 days
   5).revise within 28 days
   6).revise within 3 months
   7).revise within 6 months
           the revisions depend on how long you want to retain the material. as
far as i am concerned, roman room system is the best to store & retain
information for a longer time.
         why not you make a try ?
   good luck
   john louis

   urosp99 <urosp99@...> wrote:
   Hi

   I have been using mnemonics for some time and i think it is great;
   but i am unable to retrieve information after some time has passed
   (months, a year, decade). I am using a combination of major system
   and story system to store information. I have tried sem3, but i
   didn't achive much (any?) improvement. I understand that is a lot
   easier to remember recent information than an old one, but how do i
   improve long term retention? What methods do you use to achive
   better results? Do you have any other idea?


   thanks,
   Uros



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Hi Uros,

For the problem of overcoming our latent laziness & disorganisation(!), I
have seen the following suggestion (from one of the Finnish Buzan
Instructors, 5 years ago):

If you make Mind Maps of the material you want to memorise & revise, you can
put the Mind Map (or a copy of it) into your Time Planner at the date when
it should be reviewed.  Then, when you open your Planner on the day, the Map
is ready & waiting to be reviewed.  Also has the added benefit, that as you
do your advanced planning, you will get a "bonus" review on days when it is
not scheduled.

For those who don't use a (paper) Time Planner, but work with a filing
cabinet, you can get from at least the German company Mappei file dividers
for the days & monts, so you can build your planner in the filing system -
again. as you come to your drawer to get out the day's work, the Map to
revise is on hand......

I believe that if you are serious about memorising information, the Mind Map
is one of the key tools, since the data is reduced in volume, coloured,
spatial, probably with visuals -- AND you can represent your Mnemonic on
your branches as well!

Cheers

Dave

Dave Bramwell
Learning Experiences
Sleaford
UK

http://www.learningexperiences.net


Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:41:46 -0000
    From: "urosp99" <urosp99@...>
Subject: Re: long term memorization


Thanks for your response John.

I already tried the technique similiar to that you have
suggested. My revision rythm was:
1. first of learn the material using memory techniques
2. revise with in the same day
3. revise within 7 days
4. revise within month
5. revise within 4 months
6. revise within a year

It is hard to mesure the results, but i think it worked quite
well. The problem IMHO with this technique is that it is time
consuming (and i think we use mnemonic techniques to memorize
information quicker), you have to have the text written somewhere
and well organized (which also takes time and i usually just
memorize things without writting them down). The other problem i
see with this technique is, you have to be very discplined. For
example:
Do you really want to do revisions on your holiday? Are you going
to drag the books with you? :).


What bothers me is that just seems stupid to learn sth in order
to forget most of it afterwards (or forget how to retrieve it).

Uros