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A few days ago Albert found something unclear in the FacetMap model. I
wanted to share my response with the group, since I wasn't sure if it was
different for XFML or just unclear here too.

Essentially, the XFML file had a page with occurrences to different topics
in the same facet. An extreme example:
<facet id="flavor" />
<topic facetid="flavor" id="cherry" />
<topic facetid="flavor" id="chocolate" />
<page title="Ben and Jerry's Chocolate Cherry Garcia Ice Cream">
<occurrence topicid="cherry" />
<occurrence topicid="chocolate" />
</page>

In FacetMap this is illegal. Is it in XFML? My response to Albert went like
this, and I wonder if anyone could offer comment:

Yeah, that's how the model works. The practical reason is, the FacetMap
interface is supposed to let a user very easily and quickly narrow down
many thousands of resources to a selection of just a few. The more topics
you give the user to choose from, the tougher that is. You can see how the
selection would narrow more slowly if there were extra occurrences.

The underlying logistical reason is, facet structures are supposed to
contain mutually exclusive concepts. The XFML spec says this too, though it
may mean something a little different. I mean that a resource should be
described by only one topic in a facet -- and if it is described by two
topics, those topics belong in separate facets because they must describe
fundamentally different characteristics of the resource. What you want to
do is association: "this article is about Grey Matter AND Movable Type" or
"this article mentions Peter Van Dijck AND Simon Willison". Association is
different from classification, and FacetMap is about faceted classification.

Thanks all,
Travis Wilson
Development
http://facetmap.com




Mon Dec 2, 2002 7:44 am

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A few days ago Albert found something unclear in the FacetMap model. I wanted to share my response with the group, since I wasn't sure if it was different for...
Travis Wilson
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Dec 2, 2002
6:23 am

... topics ... Gosh, I hope not. If this is illegal, XFML is virtually useless to me (and it would mean that the "Dive into Accessibility" example -- now at...
f8dy
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Dec 2, 2002
7:11 am

... I see where it says facets are mutually exclusive, but I don't see where it says topics are mutually exclusive. Topics are simply different values within...
Eric Scheid
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Dec 2, 2002
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I'm bogged down today but just to set everyone's minds at rest: a page can have occurrences of many topics within the same facet in xfml. Peter...
PeterV
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Dec 2, 2002
6:14 pm

... If you were to assign more topics from a single facet to the same page that would not mean that there would be more topics to choose from. I agree the ...
Albert de Klein
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Dec 2, 2002
10:23 am

... Under the facetmap model, you must classify the article as one or the other. A "classification" is, by its nature, exclusive. If you put the article in the...
Travis Wilson
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Dec 3, 2002
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Waw, that is a fundamental difference in approach with xfml. I think you are mistaken in this Travis, but from your text I wasn't sure exactly how you meant...
PeterV
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Dec 3, 2002
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... think you ... exactly ... not ... The XFML approach to classification does appear to be more natural and applicable to more diverse situations, such as...
Albert de Klein
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Dec 3, 2002
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... Yep. It's worthwhile to distinguish between the two approaches, and recognize both of them, even though the XFML "association" model can apply to any map...
Travis Wilson
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Dec 4, 2002
7:54 am

... Cool. I'm glad this came out - I always assumed without really checking that Facetmap worked the way XFML did. Interesting. I am going to stand back and...
PeterV
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Dec 4, 2002
11:51 pm

... This sort of honest reponse is really cool to see. The issues of taxonomies, ontologies, classifications and the like are full of all sorts of...
Bill Kearney
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Dec 4, 2002
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Quick note: taxomita is on track for version 1.0 release end Jan. Also, me and Phil Murray (of KMConnection fame) are starting a new list on faceted...
PeterV
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Dec 14, 2002
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http://www.xfml.org/spec/1.0.html#revisions I added two minor revisions to the spec - it didn't change (your implementations can stay the same), just...
PeterV
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Dec 14, 2002
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Peter, perhaps you could make some changes to the MovableType template as well. Nine out of ten xfml.xml files I've seen contain the following line: <xfml...
info@...
albert_de_klein
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Dec 18, 2002
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Great tip! There are other problems with the template and I don't have time to work on it right now (and my knowledge of MT tags is limited). Would you...
PeterV
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Dec 19, 2002
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Fyi: I wrote an article "What is XFML" for XML.com that will be published in Jan. Peter...
PeterV
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Dec 30, 2002
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Peter, Is there a "pre-print" available? Jim McCracken ... From: PeterV [SMTP:peter@...] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:47 AM To:...
James R. McCracken
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Dec 31, 2002
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Hi Travis, From a discussion on the facetedclassification list: in Facetmap, can a resource (or whatever we call it) be classified in multiple facets. (facets...
PeterV
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Jan 4, 2003
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... It is. I couldn't believe it so I checked it with Mark's map of dive into accessibility. ...
PeterV
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http://xfml.org/spec/1.0.preview.html#revisions I added the suggested revisions (thanks all!) Could you have a quick look and make sure I didn't write anything...
PeterV
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Feb 9, 2003
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* peter@... ... Good to see that you've updated it. The revisions look good and useful to me. Two minor comments: - in 5.7 you have a typo: "al" -...
Lars Marius Garshol
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Feb 9, 2003
5:44 pm

... Fixed. ... Well, maybe not mergable as in topicmaps, the idea is more that you can automatically import parts of other maps based on <psi> and <connect>. I...
PeterV
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Feb 9, 2003
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* Lars Marius Garshol ... * peter@... ... Simply because when you merge maps A and B it may well be that the same topic appears in both, but that...
Lars Marius Garshol
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Feb 9, 2003
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... That's true. In that case, you have a merging conflict that can only be (in xfml) resolved by intervention of a person (who told the system to merge those...
PeterV
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Feb 9, 2003
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* Lars Marius Garshol ... * peter@... ... Aha, so you think of that as causing merging conflicts? That's interesting. I'm so brainwashed with...
Lars Marius Garshol
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Feb 10, 2003
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I'm looking for volunteers to test drive the beta of taxomita. You need PHP and mySQL on a server to install it. If you don't have a server, you can also use a...
PeterV
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Feb 9, 2003
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Noting, of course, that the URL there must point to the XFML file itself. Some of us don't default to putting in in the root of the site. I'm sure others ...
Bill Kearney
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