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Thoughts on xipf -- feedback welcome   Message List  
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Re: Thoughts on xipf -- feedback welcome

>I could easily imagine spending three months making a high-quality
> extensible translatable scalable list of instrument names for use in
> digital packaging.

I don't see a need to do this at all.
leave these definitions up to the creator, trying to guess them will
guarantee exclusion.

> <instrumentalist instrument="'bone" player="Jack Teagarden" />

this works fine. The key point here is that "instrument" is not a
definitive set. No point in creating a specific role for each
instrument, make it a generic field, and it will support anything the
creator needs, as instruments, and the idea of instruments evolve.
It could even be as generic as:
<contributor role="flute" credit="Jack Teagarden" />
<contributor role="Vocal Harmony" credit="Pro Tools plugin #23" />



> AJAX/JSON could play a huge part
>
> Sorry -- do you mean that packages are .exe's? Not sure that I get it.

no .exe really, just a folder structure. I'm just saying this could
be done with an index.html and javascript. Just needs to be viewed in
a browser. The javscript will have to be distributed with the
package, in a libs folder, so that it can work offline. Any browser
or a desktop app with an embedded browser could display a package.





On the other hand, I
> could see labels like Rhino excelling at packaging once they have the
> template to fill in.

YES, I think xipf has to be flexible enough for innovation to take
place at the creator level, not confined by an overly structured spec.



> Ok, so the package is freely available, but the media file itself is
> restricted? If I have that right, a thing I like about it is that the
> security model is the same as it is now, meaning that there won't be a
> struggle over DRM on the packages. When we have talked to label
> people about XIPF, this has always come up.

FROM THE EASIER SAID THAN DONE DEPARTMENT:
I really don't know enough about DRM to comment, but my thoughts were"

Idealy, xipf would not define the DRM method.
xipf should work with or without DRM.
Could DRM 'support' be handled with a 'plugin'?
Would DRM enabled xipf onlyl work in a specific client app that
handles the DRM?
Or some generic [IF DRM] logic?
Maybe all DRM takes place serverside, and the enclosure links to the
remote media contain unique keys in the URI











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Hello all, I've been taking a rather small mental ice pick to the large iceberg that is xipf. I'd like to share my thoughts, and get some feedback. ...
coveloper
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Nov 25, 2006
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... The thoughts we have been having is to use XML as a description of the media in the liner note, and a folder of files to old the actual media. The lyrics...
steveisraelson
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Nov 26, 2006
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Hi everyone. Not sure if I have posted here before, but as this topic is super-relevant to me, thought I would contribute. On my site Cruxy, we enable anyone...
Nathan Freitas
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Nov 27, 2006
2:37 am

Fantastic to hear that you're already doing packages in a zip file, Nathan. That means that there is an iterative path to an enhanced format -- just keep...
Lucas Gonze
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Nov 27, 2006
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... What we have released today is very simple - as long as its a ZIP its an Album. That is because the artists themselves create the ZIP files and upload them...
Nathan Freitas
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Nov 27, 2006
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there is also the related tech of 'installers'. i believe that was part of an older thread here? ... -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) ...
sull
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Nov 28, 2006
2:51 am

The mozilla extension archive (.xpi), which is also a zip file, is probably another useful model for what you're proposing. The other question that occurs to...
Phil McCluskey
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Nov 27, 2006
3:22 am

... probably ... Other models: Yum in the Linux world. From the PHP world, a PEAR package works in a similar way. it's a tar.gz file packaged in a particular...
coveloper
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Nov 27, 2006
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Hi All, I wanted to announce that we have started a funded XIPF project based around MPEG 21. You can find out more information at: dylan.projectopus.com The...
David Gratton
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Feb 9, 2007
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... Excellent. Let's see what we can learn from that. (From http://www.orablogs.com/duffblog/archives/000536.html) ... An XPI file is just a normal zip file...
Lucas Gonze
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Nov 27, 2006
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I am still interested in this topic as well. Back in 2000ish, i worked with a technology called Throttlebox which was a media wrapper (executable) that played...
sull
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Nov 27, 2006
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... Hey sull -- did these container files contain more than one format of the same underlying song? -L...
Lucas Gonze
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Nov 27, 2006
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Hi, Lucas, The container was able to hold/reference as many media files as you wanted. There was no limit. It basically created a self-contained "web" since...
sull
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Nov 27, 2006
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All, I must admit to a feeling of deja-vu reviewing the discussion taking place here. Some while back I pointed out that the requirements for the container...
iansburnett
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Nov 27, 2006
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... Well, I perhaps not direct random access, but I know you can easily stream out files from a ZIP/JAR Archive. Just something about the word ISO and...
Nathan Freitas
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Nov 27, 2006
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... Hey Jon, thanks for posting here. This is a great metaphor to describe the problem. Almost everything you do in this space opens up a ton of questions. ...
Lucas Gonze
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Nov 27, 2006
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... I don't see a need to do this at all. leave these definitions up to the creator, trying to guess them will guarantee exclusion. ... this works fine. The...
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