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Re: [xipf-talk] Re: Thoughts on xipf -- feedback welcome

On 11/26/06, Phil McCluskey <philmc@...> wrote:
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> The mozilla extension archive (.xpi), which is also a zip file, is probably
another useful model for what you're proposing.

Excellent. Let's see what we can learn from that.

(From http://www.orablogs.com/duffblog/archives/000536.html)
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An XPI file is just a normal zip file with files organized in a
special way. Our XPI file should contain the following structure:

helloworld.xpi
+- install.rdf
+- chrome/
+- helloworld.jar

helloworld.jar is another zip file containing all the files we created
in the content directory:

helloworld.jar
+- content/
+- contents.rdf
+- helloworld-Overlay.xul
...

Observations:
- using directory structure as a protocol element is a time-honored approach.
- XPI separates out the install and runtime portions of the package.
- XPI gives the installer first-class status.

One other thought -- I can easily imagine a music package being XPI
itself, since XPI can have data files (for the media), chrome (for the
presentation), and an installer.

> The other question that occurs to me reading through this thread is if there
would be added flexibility in allowing optional pointers to external resources,
like album artwork and lyrics (or in some cases the audio files themselves), in
addition to having them be directly available as contents in the zip/package.
This has the advantage of providing a lot of flexibility in packaging a
collection, and the potential disadvantage that sometimes these materials won't
be available because they've been moved or deleted, or a server is unavailable.

So there would be a blend of static/local and dynamic/network
resources? Hm. For example a song file would be static, concert
listings would be dynamic... That makes total sense.

-Lucas



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Hello all, I've been taking a rather small mental ice pick to the large iceberg that is xipf. I'd like to share my thoughts, and get some feedback. ...
coveloper
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Nov 25, 2006
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... The thoughts we have been having is to use XML as a description of the media in the liner note, and a folder of files to old the actual media. The lyrics...
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Nov 26, 2006
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Hi everyone. Not sure if I have posted here before, but as this topic is super-relevant to me, thought I would contribute. On my site Cruxy, we enable anyone...
Nathan Freitas
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Fantastic to hear that you're already doing packages in a zip file, Nathan. That means that there is an iterative path to an enhanced format -- just keep...
Lucas Gonze
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... What we have released today is very simple - as long as its a ZIP its an Album. That is because the artists themselves create the ZIP files and upload them...
Nathan Freitas
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there is also the related tech of 'installers'. i believe that was part of an older thread here? ... -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) ...
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The mozilla extension archive (.xpi), which is also a zip file, is probably another useful model for what you're proposing. The other question that occurs to...
Phil McCluskey
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... probably ... Other models: Yum in the Linux world. From the PHP world, a PEAR package works in a similar way. it's a tar.gz file packaged in a particular...
coveloper
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Hi All, I wanted to announce that we have started a funded XIPF project based around MPEG 21. You can find out more information at: dylan.projectopus.com The...
David Gratton
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... Excellent. Let's see what we can learn from that. (From http://www.orablogs.com/duffblog/archives/000536.html) ... An XPI file is just a normal zip file...
Lucas Gonze
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Nov 27, 2006
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I am still interested in this topic as well. Back in 2000ish, i worked with a technology called Throttlebox which was a media wrapper (executable) that played...
sull
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... Hey sull -- did these container files contain more than one format of the same underlying song? -L...
Lucas Gonze
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Hi, Lucas, The container was able to hold/reference as many media files as you wanted. There was no limit. It basically created a self-contained "web" since...
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All, I must admit to a feeling of deja-vu reviewing the discussion taking place here. Some while back I pointed out that the requirements for the container...
iansburnett
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... Well, I perhaps not direct random access, but I know you can easily stream out files from a ZIP/JAR Archive. Just something about the word ISO and...
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... Hey Jon, thanks for posting here. This is a great metaphor to describe the problem. Almost everything you do in this space opens up a ton of questions. ...
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... I don't see a need to do this at all. leave these definitions up to the creator, trying to guess them will guarantee exclusion. ... this works fine. The...
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