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Re: Thoughts on xipf -- feedback welcome

All,

I must admit to a feeling of deja-vu reviewing the discussion taking
place here. Some while back I pointed out that the requirements for
the container have ben previously well addressed in the MPEG-21
Digital Item.

Digital Items are 'virtual containers' and may consist of just a
Declaration file in XML - this allows the author to create the
structure of the content. The content can be anything - metadata,
resources (any MIME type) and music albums are a classic example.

Digital Items provide the ability to reference resources anywhere on
the Internet (the download or streaming model) or in the local
pacakage. Digital Item packages are provided using the ISO File
Format (which is basically the Quicktime file format). This is used
(as opposed to zip) to allow for e.g. direct random access into media
files which is not possible in zip.

It is very easy to create a Digital Item that references multiple
versions of a resource (different formats and bit rates). It is even
possible to allow negotiation of formats using MPEG-21 metadata but
this is probably beyond the current requirements.

So in summary:

1. A international, standardised XML schema exists
2. A international, standardised container format exists

What does not exist (quite rightly) is a mandated presentation
mechanism for the DI container. It would seem that for XIPF, such a
presentation format should be required - but I would recommend
keeping it separate to the container itself (Imagine creating 1000s
of container files with embedded presentations which then get
superseded by a new user presentation approach!).

Hence, a presentation format is required - Flash? AJAX? SVG? LASeR? -
all are quite feasible and can easily be referenced from the DI
container or could 'import' the container.

Just my thoughts ....................

Ian




Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:52 am

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... The thoughts we have been having is to use XML as a description of the media in the liner note, and a folder of files to old the actual media. The lyrics...
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Hi everyone. Not sure if I have posted here before, but as this topic is super-relevant to me, thought I would contribute. On my site Cruxy, we enable anyone...
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Fantastic to hear that you're already doing packages in a zip file, Nathan. That means that there is an iterative path to an enhanced format -- just keep...
Lucas Gonze
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... What we have released today is very simple - as long as its a ZIP its an Album. That is because the artists themselves create the ZIP files and upload them...
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there is also the related tech of 'installers'. i believe that was part of an older thread here? ... -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) ...
sull
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Nov 28, 2006
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The mozilla extension archive (.xpi), which is also a zip file, is probably another useful model for what you're proposing. The other question that occurs to...
Phil McCluskey
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... probably ... Other models: Yum in the Linux world. From the PHP world, a PEAR package works in a similar way. it's a tar.gz file packaged in a particular...
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Hi All, I wanted to announce that we have started a funded XIPF project based around MPEG 21. You can find out more information at: dylan.projectopus.com The...
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... Excellent. Let's see what we can learn from that. (From http://www.orablogs.com/duffblog/archives/000536.html) ... An XPI file is just a normal zip file...
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I am still interested in this topic as well. Back in 2000ish, i worked with a technology called Throttlebox which was a media wrapper (executable) that played...
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... Hey sull -- did these container files contain more than one format of the same underlying song? -L...
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Hi, Lucas, The container was able to hold/reference as many media files as you wanted. There was no limit. It basically created a self-contained "web" since...
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All, I must admit to a feeling of deja-vu reviewing the discussion taking place here. Some while back I pointed out that the requirements for the container...
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... Well, I perhaps not direct random access, but I know you can easily stream out files from a ZIP/JAR Archive. Just something about the word ISO and...
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... Hey Jon, thanks for posting here. This is a great metaphor to describe the problem. Almost everything you do in this space opens up a ton of questions. ...
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... I don't see a need to do this at all. leave these definitions up to the creator, trying to guess them will guarantee exclusion. ... this works fine. The...
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