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Re: [xml-doc] Re: Open Document Format -- Successor to XHTML? (interview with Gary Edwards)

On 21/10/05, Ryan Germann <ryan@...> wrote:
>
> ...authors become doubly frustrated if, once they understand what an
> "element"
> is, what an "attribute" is, and what "nesting" means, they're left to
> figure out on their own the arbitrary content model of some DTD,
> without sufficient training or a sufficiently helpful / guided UI.

One of the reasons I am so late replying to this is that I was just on the
project from hell (I was brought in late in the project - too late to be
really effective) and I'm only just catching up.
Among a whole lot of other project problems, there were problems with
editing the content because the content model had been done by a tech head
who chucked it into XMetal and then just left the authors to get on with it.
The DTD was sketchily documented (too high level and not kept up to date),
there was a "template" which was an example document that everyone just
followed. There was next to no customisation of XMetal so UI guidance was
absolutely minimal.
Although I didn't get much of a chance to fix things (we did get over the
line, but only just), I did make some recommendations that hopefully might
make a difference in the future (if only they would throw money at me, then
I could really fix things:)).
The authors in this case where all tech happy types who would have been
capable of using Notepad as their XML editor so it wasn't the tool as such
that caused problems, it was the lack of knowledge about the content model.
That said, I do think most XML editing tools are pretty awful (and if you
don't spend the time to make them useful for your content model, they are
even more awful - but that's a problem for the implementer) - they just
about work when you're editing existing content but almost all of them are
really annoying when doing content creation.
-Melanie


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There's an interesting interview with Gary Edwards, one of the leaders of the team developing the Open Document Format (used in StarOffice8, OpenOffice2, etc.)...
Jon Noring
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Oct 13, 2005
7:03 pm

... Heh there was a discussion on Slashdot, I wrote the texe below, but I couldn't post it, because my university is locked out due to some spammer. Anyhow,...
Daniel K Schneider
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Oct 13, 2005
7:29 pm

... That's very true. XML is basically a bunch of text and angle brackets. Nothing really exciting, especially from a documentation standpoint, at least at...
Larry Kollar
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Oct 14, 2005
5:43 pm

... Which, by itself, is not that useful. It's true that an XML-formated document makes interchange *easier*. But by itself, that's not a big deal. Word...
Isaac Rabinovitch
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Oct 14, 2005
6:30 pm

... Very true. Like I said, it's just angle brackets. ... More importantly, these formats don't have (beyond the host software) readily available and reliable...
Larry Kollar
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Oct 17, 2005
1:44 pm

Will try to keep my too late reply a bit shorter:) I certainly can agree that long-term guarantee of data exchange is a priority today. Therefore ODF is a big...
Daniel K. Schneider
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Oct 20, 2005
11:55 am

... We were just discussing a similar point on the groff mailing list, that there can be some resistance over learning new tools, even if learning them makes...
Larry Kollar
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Oct 20, 2005
3:14 pm

... I think there's more to it than the tool... you can't plunk a capable HTML author down in front of an XML editor with DocBook DTD without first explaining...
Ryan Germann
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Oct 20, 2005
7:31 pm

... One of the reasons I am so late replying to this is that I was just on the project from hell (I was brought in late in the project - too late to be really...
Melanie Kendell
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Nov 8, 2005
4:09 am

... Maybe I'm missing something. Have people been using (X)HTML as an office document interchange format? Does ODF provide hypertext-style links between...
Larry Kollar
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Oct 14, 2005
2:13 pm

... Most certainly. The text:a element has the attribute xlink:href. ... ODF is an XML vocabulary. An ODF document therefore is an XML document. ... -- Werner...
Werner Donné
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Oct 15, 2005
3:10 am

... I can't see it myself, if only because a) ODF is a format aimed at word processing primarily, and b) the W3C did not 'invent' it. They have their own work...
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Oct 15, 2005
10:47 am

... It's an interesting question of semantics, isn't it; if I take a .doc file from Microsoft Word in its native format, a cryptic mess of OLE objects, then...
Michael Day
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Oct 16, 2005
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