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I am familiar with both Leo and Elucidative Programming (although not the Elucidator project).
They each drift a little bit further from my interpretation of Knuth's LP concept than I wanted to go.
With Leo, the outline is nice (and in fact the tool I'm developing will include a Leo like outline view),
but it just isn't  full on LP. I didn't sense that it had a user base that made it the right choice as a
starting point. The outline view is actually a rather easy view to generate. The folded view as I'm conceiving
it is quite different (and was/is the most intellectually challenging/interesting part of what I'm doing).
Likewise, Elucidative programming separates the code view and the documentation view, but links them together so
you can easily move back and forth. To me this is again a big move away from Knuth's concept where the code
and documentation are intertwined.

I'm very much concerned about creating just "yet another" LP tool. I'm trying to make sure I learn from what others
have done, but I didn't see either of these as having important ingredients that I wanted to build on (but I could easily
be wrong).

The folding idea I am implementing it not new, even in the LP literature (although I wasn't aware of this comment
when I conceived off the idea). It was proposed in 1986. Thimbleby observed
(
Thimbleby, H., Experiences of literate programming using cweb (a variant of Knuth's WEB). Computer Journal, 1986. 29(3): p. 201-11)
that one “of the disadvantages of literate programming … is that the programmer cannot view the code of macro bodies in situ at the point of invocation.” He goes on to propose “an interactive version” in which the programmer “would press a button and an invocation would unfold into a (name, body) window in position.”

I completely agree that it would be great to agree on a DTD. I'd be quite happy to adopt anything reasonable.
That is a simple minor change to the input parsing and save operations.


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Hi I have been lurking in this group for a while. I have used a kind of "lit prog" technique described in this paper. ...
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... From: Charlie McDowell [mailto:charlie@...] Sent: 26 November 2002 21:08 To: xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [xml-litprog-l] Leo, Elucidator...
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From the paper that sounds like a very nice system. How can I get a copy of the tool? Was the paper ever published? If so where? ... Charlie McDowell,...
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I would like to check my understanding of your system. It appears that your pseudo code sections (pc) are like Knuth's macro names but you have no invoke. The...
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I looked into the tool discussed in the paper cited [ftp://www.excosoft.se/pub/seminars/litprog.pdf] when I first came across it [I thought it was first...
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** Reply to message from "Jobling C.P." <c.p.jobling@...> on Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:53:59 -0000 ... I don't think it is that close. I wasn't previously...
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I think this should be easy to add to what I'm developing. It could also solve a problem for me. I wasn't sure how I was going to handle pretty printing of the...
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** Reply to message from Charlie McDowell <charlie@...> on Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:54:05 -0800 ... As you have probably already realised, one thing to...
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My very rough prototype in fact does allow that - and indeed it was one of the trickiest (and most interesting) aspects of the development. An important...
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** Reply to message from Charlie McDowell <charlie@...> on Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:15:34 -0800 ... At a minimum, I think you would need a feature that...
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Is anyone here familiar with http://www.logilab.org/xmldiff/ Overview XMLdiff is a python tool that figures out the differences between two similar XML files,...
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