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The Mission of XODP

[David Prenatt:]
> >
> > I wholeheartedly disagree. Although still in its infancy, your
> > Web site Wikipedia is an unqualified success.

[Jimmy Wales:]
>
> Yes, wikipedia is a huge success. But it's not really an
> alternative to the ODP, except in the sense of being something fun
> for volunteers to work on.

Although it is not a classic Yahoo!-style Web directory, Wikipedia fills a void
that ODP does not even attempt to fill. To wit, Wikipedia serves as an
excellent starting point for those seeking peer-reviewed information about a
particular topic. Granted, Wikipedia doesn't link to the 4 million or so Web
sites that ODP does, but there's no reason why it can't, and Wikipedia's
*TOTALLY* free license prevents anyone from monopolizing Wikipedia's content.

[David Prenatt:]
> >
> > As for indexing the Internet, people can simply publish their own
> > selective links lists on their own Web sites, pursue a strategy of
> > link exchange with other Web sites, and rest assured that Google
> > will incorporate their content by the by.

[Jimmy Wales:]
>
> That may be so, but I still think there's a possible role for human
> indexing.

I'm not saying otherwise; I'm simply saying that contributing to a centralized
resource like ODP is nowhere near as important as it might have once been. In
fact, it's a good idea for conscientious linkmasters *NOT* to contribute their
work to ODP. I know several people who joined ODP, contributed thousands of
well-categorized links, and got unceremoniously tossed out of ODP without
warning or notice. After that, these linkmasters were helpless to prevent their
high quality work from being destroyed by amateurs.

[Jimmy Wales:]
>
> It's certainly an interesting question -- possibly machine indexing
> is good enough, so that human indexing is no longer needed.

I wouldn't go that far. Google's algorithm has some very obvious flaws, and
unscrupulous Webmasters have learned how to exploit these flaws. Google's
algorithm works best when there is a consensus of hubs and authorities, and such
a consensus is not possible when a small handfull of large scale Web indexes
drown out the voices of smaller, more authoritative ones.

Ultimately, the centralized authority of Google will give way to the
decentralized authority of the Open GRiD. (See <
http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~maxim/OpenGRiD/ >.) But for this to happen, we need
more human indexing, not less.

Humbly Yours,

XODP Moderator netesq




Tue Jan 28, 2003 9:41 pm

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Having a gigantic amount of ever increasing data lodged in a huge and ever increasing number of web sites is both the wonder and the curse of the internet. I...
Albert Dauray
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Jan 27, 2003
9:06 pm

XODP stems from Ex-ODP. That is, ex-editors of ODP. There are others in here, including some present editors. However, this group is quite likely to be very...
Warren
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Jan 27, 2003
10:01 pm

[Warren:] ... This is basically correct, as was the other material following it, which I clipped. However, I think it's important to note that XODP is not...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 27, 2003
10:31 pm

[Albert Dauray:] ... Which is more or less what I thought you meant, which is why I offered you the information that I did in my original reply. Simply put,...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 27, 2003
10:29 pm

... Skrenta (one of ODP's founder) gave a talk about "The Genesis of the ODP" on Tuesday 21 Jan 03 to Internet Developer Group ...
S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail
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Jan 28, 2003
5:48 am

Interesting thread going on here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum17/1306.htm ... From: David F. Prenatt, Jr. To: xodp@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January...
Warren
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Jan 28, 2003
5:50 am

When I first got into ODP a couple years ago, I had high hopes for it. Over about 15 months, I began to see more and more problems, far to numerous to list...
Warren
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Jan 28, 2003
5:57 am

... XODP is a mailing list devoted primarily to an outside critique of ODP. Many of the members are 'ex-ODP' who were kicked out, sometimes with cause, I...
Jimmy Wales
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Jan 28, 2003
12:59 pm

[Jimmy Wales:] ... Many people may perceive XODP this way, but that was not my intention in starting XODP. Rather, my critique of ODP, "Life After the Open...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 28, 2003
5:55 pm

... Yes, wikipedia is a huge success. But it's not really an alternative to the ODP, except in the sense of being something fun for volunteers to work on. ......
Jimmy Wales
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Jan 28, 2003
6:53 pm

[David Prenatt:] ... [Jimmy Wales:] ... Although it is not a classic Yahoo!-style Web directory, Wikipedia fills a void that ODP does not even attempt to fill....
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 28, 2003
10:07 pm

This Open-Grid is interesting, as it was when I looked at it before. However, I was again stalled by the phrase "c++ compiler", as I do not yet know really...
joslynnn@...
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Jan 29, 2003
10:33 am

[joslynnn:] ... The Open GRiD is not yet ready for prime time. Rather, it is a prediction of how the indexing of the Internet will progress based upon the...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 29, 2003
4:25 pm

I have experience at GoGuides now, but it's not something to really talk about in a public forum. I don't work there anymore. I signed up for JoeAnt today. ...
joslynnn@...
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Jan 29, 2003
10:34 am

To Zeal and Wikipedia, I would also add www.JoeAnt.com. It appears that they are looking for volunteer editors. I don't know much about it, but it appears to...
Warren
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Jan 28, 2003
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[David Prenatt:] ... [Warren:] ... I haven't heard much about JoeAnt for quite some time, nor have I heard anything about GoGuides.org (<...
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Jan 28, 2003
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Thanks David Jos ... From: David F. Prenatt, Jr. To: xodp@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: [xodp] Re: New Kid still talking ...
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Jan 28, 2003
1:22 pm

I've learned two major things from all of this conversation: (1) ODP seems to be imploding and (2) ODP is owned by a conglomerate. Both, of course, are...
Albert Dauray
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Jan 28, 2003
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[Albert Dauray:] ... I don't think that ODP can be fairly characterized as imploding. Rather, ODP reached a steady state as an oligarchical collective quite...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jan 28, 2003
6:00 pm

Well, yes and no. ODP has BEEN imploding for quite some time, although it has been so gradual that it has not been noticed much. With it's internal personnel...
Warren
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