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Customizable Meta-Search (Was Re: ODP Update)

[janeellen_carr:]
>
> Although I don't think the days of huge human compiled web
> directories are quite over and we may be stuck with Yahoo and ODP
> for a while yet, your theory about a "customizable meta-searcher
> that spiders the listings contained in smaller, high quality Web
> directories" is very sound. This is the direction that your Source
> Forge project is taking I assume?

At this point, XODP @ SourceForge.Net is little more than a collection of links
to other projects at SourceForge.Net that have developed and/or are developing
open source Web indexing software. Rather than re-inventing the wheel, XODP @
SourceForge.Net will serve as a clearinghouse for evaluating open source Web
indexing applications and assisting open content indexing startups with the
installation of said applications.

[janeellen_carr:]
>
> You'd be interested to learn that SearchKing
> (http://www.searchking.com) (the directory and portal network) has
> taken the same approach, and the main SK engine is now comprised of
> just that - listings and descriptions gleaned from its collection
> of well over 2,000 smaller directories and portal sites. If you
> search for the term games, for example, on their main search
> engine, you will get sites that have been reviewed by other portals
> (the combined database) first, followed by sites entered directly
> into the main engine (unreviewed, but instantly indexed). The
> quality of the individual portal sites is of course up to each
> individual owner, but thought you might be interested to see an
> example of a similar system to what you envision.

I'm vaguely familiar with SearchKing's system, and it seems to be a viable and
ongoing enterprise. Alas, this was not exactly the sort of system I was
referring to when I suggested a customizable meta-search as the most promising
search solution currently available. The closest thing to such a meta-search
currently in existence is Turbo10. (< http://turbo10.com/ >)

[janeellen_carr:]
>
> As far as the future of human edited directories, there are still
> some great big holes in the automated spidering approach - just
> read an article today pointing out some of the more obvious holes
> in Google (Digging for Googleholes -
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2085668/ ) such as giving preference to
> shopping sites, confusing synonyms, and omission of non-spiderable
> text. As huge as the spiders have become, there is still no
> replacement for human edited directories.

I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is not one of kind, but of scale. Even a
small group of editors will have inevitable conflicts over the proper taxonomy
of a directory-style database. The best way to resolve such conflicts is to
give editors the "right to fork," and give end users the option of a
customizable meta-search where they can incorporate only those Web directories
that they consider authoritative.

Humbly Yours,

XODP Moderator netesq




Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:00 am

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Chris Sherman writes: "Compiled by a global legion of more than 50,000 volunteers, the ODP relies on the honor system to assure the integrity of editors and...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jun 3, 2003
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I have contacted Mr.Sherman regarding his article and pointed him in this direction in order that he may get his facts straight. I believe he was spoon fed...
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Jun 4, 2003
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Well, no reply from Mr.Sherman as of yet to hear his side of the story. As is such, while waiting I took the liberty to look at his profile at...
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[Nick Sahadi:] ... There's nothing wrong with that. Chris Sherman is a recognized expert in the SEO business, which is why I found the gross and obvious...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jun 7, 2003
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... [snipped] ... 1,000,000+ ... You'll probably find that most reports are handled very quickly. The sooner the corrupt editors are removed, the less damage...
Neil R. Turner
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[Neil R. Turner:] ... With rare and noteworthy exceptions, ODP editors who stand accused of abuse are invesigated and removed rather quickly. In fact, quite a...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jun 8, 2003
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Exactly. As far as I know the only honest articles covering the ODP were by Traffick.com and other means of communication such as forums are censored by the...
Nick Sahadi
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Jun 10, 2003
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... I see, where is the data to back up your statement? Hidden within the _open_dirctory no doubt. ... editor ... I have my sources. Looking for the ODP to...
Nick Sahadi
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Another brilliant work IMO. Cute I like that. ... From: David F. Prenatt, Jr. To: xodp@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: [xodp] Re:...
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Jun 8, 2003
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I, too, was disappointed in Chris' latest account. Sometimes I think he writes this disingenuous prattle just to get my goat. But then I catch myself and say...
A.E. Coyote
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Jul 1, 2003
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Andrew good to see a post from you, hope all is going well :) I would love to see you write an update to some of the early articles as it has been awhile....
Nick Sahadi
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[Andrew Goodman:] ... [Nick Sahadi:] ... This just in: ODP still sucks. Humbly Yours, XODP Moderator netesq...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jul 1, 2003
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Hey you have the same info I have :) "same as it ever was, and the days go by" well almost, the tools went double pass protection after the last unreviewed...
Nick Sahadi
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Jul 2, 2003
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[Nick Sahadi:] ... Like the principals of all failed revolutions, the powers that be at ODP work nonstop on making sure that their lofty ideals are nice and...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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From: "David F. Prenatt, Jr." <netesq@...> ... Mmm ... I thought the (similar) software for http://chefmoz.org was already MPL'ed. Or was I...
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[David Prenatt:] ... [sabre23t:] ... You're probably thinking of Open Site (< http://open-site.org >), the Wikipedia wannabe. (< http://www.wikipedia.org >.)...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Hi, ... [David Prenatt:] ... the Wikipedia wannabe. (< http://www.wikipedia.org >.) At first blush, the software seems to be very similar, but it's hardly an...
Ciaran Hamilton
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[Ciaran Hamilton:] ... Needless to say, there would be quite a few people who would be quite eager to work as editors at an open source clone of ODP, including...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jul 3, 2003
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... has made the concept of a large scale Yahoo-style Web directory somewhat obsolete. Beyond a critical mass of about 300 editors and/or 2 million URLs,...
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Jane, good to here from you :) I have not been by search king in eons. I remember when Bob Massa first started comming to SEF to get the thing off the ground, ...
Nick Sahadi
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Jul 18, 2003
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Great to hear from you too Nick! Drop by the SearchKing forums (http://www.searchking.com/skboards/ikonboard.cgi) and visit us any time - you might enjoy them...
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I will drop by ;) For what it's worth I have been hearing more about SearchKing the last couple of months than any time in the past. Not sure if I was just at...
Nick Sahadi
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[Nick Sahadi:] ... [Jane Ellen Carr:] ... At first blush, SSlinks/IncDirectory seems to be an adequate replacement for Gossamer Threads. I'll have to include...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jul 27, 2003
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[janeellen_carr:] ... At this point, XODP @ SourceForge.Net is little more than a collection of links to other projects at SourceForge.Net that have developed...
David Prenatt
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Jul 27, 2003
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Many editors may want yet another Internet directory. The sense of community and caring is what they all seem to be missing. It is there at first, but then...
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[joslynnn:] ... These dynamics are not unique to online communities. In fact, this is the story of most human relationships. A very cynical divorce attorney I...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jul 3, 2003
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I agree, David, although I could not have put it so well or as fluently. However, I believe that editors, or anyone for that matter, should expect to receive...
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Jul 3, 2003
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[joslynnn:] ... I wholheartedly agree. Moreover, there is no excuse whatsoever for exploiting volunteer labor and casually disposing of the volunteers once...
David F. Prenatt, Jr.
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Jul 3, 2003
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Well, David, our infamy is some small recompense after all. ... Jos ... From: David F. Prenatt, Jr. To: xodp@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003...
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Ha ha ha the "status unreviewed". That would be a joke and the numbers might break the system. Maybe they should get rid of a few more editors to have an even...
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