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Regarding the "Open Directory Project" owned by Netscape, Inc.

The open directory is the second most popular directory search engine
available (the most popular is "Yahoo"). It is critical to
businesses that wish to compete on the internet that their web sites
be listed in this directory, but the Open Directory is not, in fact,
open. It is controlled by a small group of people who dictate what
you will and will not see in the directory—not based on any objective
qualification but on this group's personal opinions. No reasons for
rejection in the directory are ever sent, and even if a business
owner's web site is of a higher quality or is regarded better than
other similar entries in the directory there is no recourse, there is
no way to modify a web site to gain acceptance in the directory.

Because this directory is owned by Netscape, and advertises itself
as "open", and because a listing in this directory has a serious
financial impact on eCommerce web sites (certainly hundreds of
millions of dollars if not more if they are *not* listed) I am
bringing this matter to the Department of Justice's attention.

The open directory project is located at www.dmoz.com and it provides
listing information for several other huge companies including AOL.






Thu Jul 5, 2001 11:05 pm

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Regarding the "Open Directory Project" owned by Netscape, Inc. The open directory is the second most popular directory search engine available (the most...
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Jul 5, 2001
11:44 pm

Hi, I'm still an active ODP editor, but I find it interesting to hear what people think 'on the other side'. So I hope it's okay for me to reply to your post -...
Ciaran Hamilton
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Jul 6, 2001
6:52 pm

[Ciaran Hamilton:] ... As the sole owner and moderator of the XODP eGroup, not to mention a free speech zealot, I can assure you that your posts here are not...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
1:04 am

... include an email address. It sounds obvious, but... << Obviously, I meant to say "if you wish to have a higher chance of the editor being able to...
Ciaran Hamilton
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Jul 6, 2001
6:52 pm

... reason, ... I'll clarify a few things about my particular situation... 1. I did suppy an email address the three times I submitted the site (about two...
kmslogic@...
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Jul 7, 2001
5:21 pm

... Could you post some of these links? In the first ten pages of links from a Google search for "Open Directory Project", I found exactly one mild complaint...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 9, 2001
12:48 pm

... http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=9&q=http://www.angelfire.com/journal/wizardofdmoz/&e=747 ...
kmslogic@...
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Jul 10, 2001
6:35 pm

... included or not in the ODP. Mostly true. ... either without comment or notice at all, or with a boilerplate comment or notice. Site rejections: mostly...
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Jul 23, 2001
2:33 pm

... What a load of crap. It's either owned by AOL or its not. In this case, it IS (there is no longer any such legal entity as Netscape btw). It's staggering...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 24, 2001
2:16 pm

... ODP is owned by Netscape. Netscape is owned by AOL....
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Jul 25, 2001
2:10 pm

[hitch-hiker:] ... See Jamie Zawinski's most recent commentary on the late, great non-existent Netscape at < http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/aoltw.html >....
David Prenatt
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Jul 25, 2001
3:07 pm

... existent Netscape at < http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/aoltw.html >. ("netscape and aol/time-warner, part two," or "not this crap again." He is ofcourse...
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Jul 26, 2001
2:19 pm

[David Prenatt (previously):] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... As opinions go, Jamie Zawinski's opinions about AOL, Netscape, and Mozilla are about as authoritative and...
David Prenatt
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Jul 26, 2001
3:03 pm

... 8< *snip* >8 ... I think it's a total of 7 maybe 8 people, there's a page somewhere hidden on ODP that tells you, it being a very small page it's quite ...
Fiona Cat
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Jul 24, 2001
2:18 pm

[kmslogic:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... [Fiona Cat:] ... See < http://dmoz.org/edoc/editall.html >. The first 26 logins listed there have root access and -- with...
David Prenatt
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Jul 24, 2001
5:59 pm

... 8< *snip* >8 ... It's not that page but that does actually go into a great deal more detail then the one I breifly saw (which showed you who recieved the ...
Fiona Cat
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Jul 25, 2001
2:12 pm

... At http://dmoz.org/edoc/editall.html The one with root access are staff. I don't know if everyone is active in the editing process. If you have time it's...
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Jul 25, 2001
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[A previous poster asserted:] ... [hitch-hiker retorted (previously):] ... [Fiona Cat questioned:] ... [hitch-hiker asserted:] ... Correction: People have...
David Prenatt
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Jul 25, 2001
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... False. I understand that you want to give a diffenent story. You are ofcourse free to do so, just don't expect me to belive it....
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Jul 26, 2001
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[David Prenatt:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... I really don't care what you believe. But if you want people to believe that editors, site submitters, and various...
David Prenatt
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Jul 26, 2001
3:06 pm

... believe that editors, site submitters, and various other interested parties are being treated fairly by the powers that be at ODP -- which is presumably...
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Jul 27, 2001
5:11 pm

[hitch-hiker previously:] ... [David Prenatt (previously):] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... 1. You can in fact, as you put it, "prove a negative." Indeed, "proving a...
David Prenatt
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Jul 27, 2001
8:16 pm

... In my opinion it's the total lack of facts presented that talk for themselves (loudly!). If you want to insist there are any facts you should either...
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Jul 30, 2001
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[David Prenatt:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... It is *YOU* who is attempting to defend the position that the facts behind editor removals should be kept secret. Any...
David Prenatt
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Jul 30, 2001
3:30 pm

... for ... you ... behind editor removals should be kept secret. Ah, I see! So you think that an internal issue is kept internal is a fact pointing to...
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Jul 31, 2001
1:44 pm

[hitch-hiker:] ... Not at all. I think that ODP's policies and procedures are unfair to: 1. Would-be ODP editors; 2. ODP editors seeking additional editing...
David Prenatt
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Jul 31, 2001
3:27 pm

[Previous poster:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... Cf. < http://home.netscape.com/company/contacts/index.html >: "AOL / Netscape Communications is a leading provider of...
David Prenatt
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Jul 24, 2001
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[Tim Maroney:] ... Yes and no. The Sound and the Fury has more or less passed, but not a day goes by wherein I do not receive an e-mail from someone who is...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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... Well, then, where are they? This is a sincere question. The last ex-editor complaint I recall is from Spock, and it was not really a complaint. That was...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 11, 2001
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