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RE: [xodp] Letter to Department of Justice.

The only problem I see with this letter is that there is no such company as
"Netscape". Dmoz is owned by AOL/Time Warner, the world's largest media
company.

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* Steve Thomas http://www.wherewithal.com/
* President & CEO The Future of Search
* Wherewithal.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: kmslogic@... [mailto:kmslogic@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:05 PM
> To: xodp@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xodp] Letter to Department of Justice.
>
>
> Regarding the "Open Directory Project" owned by Netscape, Inc.
>
> The open directory is the second most popular directory search engine
> available (the most popular is "Yahoo"). It is critical to
> businesses that wish to compete on the internet that their web sites
> be listed in this directory, but the Open Directory is not, in fact,
> open. It is controlled by a small group of people who dictate what
> you will and will not see in the directory—not based on any objective
> qualification but on this group's personal opinions. No reasons for
> rejection in the directory are ever sent, and even if a business
> owner's web site is of a higher quality or is regarded better than
> other similar entries in the directory there is no recourse, there is
> no way to modify a web site to gain acceptance in the directory.
>
> Because this directory is owned by Netscape, and advertises itself
> as "open", and because a listing in this directory has a serious
> financial impact on eCommerce web sites (certainly hundreds of
> millions of dollars if not more if they are *not* listed) I am
> bringing this matter to the Department of Justice's attention.
>
> The open directory project is located at www.dmoz.com and it provides
> listing information for several other huge companies including AOL.
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[David Prenatt asserted:] ... [Tim Maroney inquired:] ... If you reread my previous post, you'll note that I mentioned my e-mail correspondence on the topic....
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
4:52 am

The only problem I see with this letter is that there is no such company as "Netscape". Dmoz is owned by AOL/Time Warner, the world's largest media company. * ...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 7, 2001
5:20 pm

As a matter of fact, you should also point out that ODP is directly controlled by AOL/TW, not a "small group of people". Defacto, all editors work for them,...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 7, 2001
6:34 pm

... you're joking right? Ever heard of girl scout cookies? They generate millions of dollars in revenue and are sold by free labor too. Or hey, what about...
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Jul 8, 2001
12:57 am

Last I heard, AOL/Time Warner is not a non-profit organization. Perhaps they should call ODP the "Steve Case Lear Jet Fund" or something. * * Steve Thomas...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 8, 2001
2:26 am

... Right. It's the use of unpaid labor to generate revenue for a for-profit organization that is in apparent violation of USA labor laws. Non-profits have a...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 9, 2001
12:49 pm

... http://search.aol.com/cat.adp?id=8081&layer=&from=breadcrumb You see the 468x60 GIFs on the top and bottom of the page, and the big square one on the...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 9, 2001
5:27 pm

... The ones that say "Place an ad for AOL on your site and get $15"? Sure, I see them. You imagine that makes money? Welcome to 2001, Steve. You might ...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 10, 2001
6:43 am

Tim: <RANT> Yahoo alone will make over $500 million in online ads in the next four quarters. The overall market is at least $5 billion per year and is STILL ...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 10, 2001
6:45 am

... "Yahoo alone" being the operative words. (Only AOL is even in the same revenue range, but for all their advertising revenue, they're not selling any...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 11, 2001
12:32 am

My information is this: 1) Ads make money (they are not free)--even if they are "internal", they are still worth money (viz. they are selling something, which ...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 11, 2001
1:29 am

... Just for reference, the above does not represent my position. It represents only another attack upon a straw man. -- Tim Maroney tim@......
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Jul 11, 2001
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Ok then Tim, what IS your position. Or do you even have one? * * Steve Thomas http://www.wherewithal.com/ * President & CEO The Future of Search...
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Jul 11, 2001
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... My position is (1) that you appear to be mistaken in attributing "millions, if not hundreds of millions" of revenue to AOL's use of ODP, (2) that such a ...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 12, 2001
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That's my position, not your position. What is YOUR position? What do you think ODP is worth? * * Steve Thomas http://www.wherewithal.com/ * President...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 12, 2001
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[Tim Maroney (responding to Steve Thomas):] ... ODP's operating costs are quite insignificant and easily overlooked. As such, AOL probably books all ODP...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
4:32 am

I think it's about time WWA stopped trying to blow a bunch of hot air attacking ODP when they've got their own "pile of stench" to clean up. Fact: WWA has...
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Jul 11, 2001
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[Ballad of Jayne:] ... A man cannot speak but he judges himself. With his will, or against his will, he draws his portrait to the eye of his companions by...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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[Steve Thomas wrote previously:] ... [Tim Maroney rejoined:] ... This is a gross misstatement of the applicable law. Non-profit status is primarily used as a...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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... Thank you for the correction. -- Tim Maroney tim@......
Tim Maroney
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Jul 11, 2001
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[Steve Thomas:] ... I see many problems with the Department of Justice (DOJ) making a case against AOL, but I don't see the relevance of the particular point...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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... company as ... media ... Although there may be no such company as "Netscape", this is from the ODP information page... "The ODP is hosted and administered...
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Jul 8, 2001
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[Steve Thomas:] ... See netscape and aol/time-warner, part two, by Jamie Zawinski. (< http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/aoltw.html >.) Humbly Yours, XODP Moderator...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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Hey - Steve - I LIKE you and your brain. I'm a wherewithal editor - I'm going back to work more there. My site's suffering due to that friggin ODP. Wish we...
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