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Re: [xodp] Re: Letter to Department of Justice.

> 7. All of this happened before I took a moment to search for open
> directory on the internet and what did I find, a lot of testimonials
> from xodp editors describing exactly what I personally experienced
> (not just in this group--just look at the first few pages of search
> results for Open Directory Project under Google)

Could you post some of these links? In the first ten pages of links from a
Google search for "Open Directory Project", I found exactly one mild
complaint that a site had not been listed, and no ex-editor complaints.

It seems to me that the ex-editor thing may be winding down. There was much
more activity last year. Have they started being more selective about who
they exclude? Are there new procedures to discourage unjust bannings? Did
some of the metas grow up a little, or did some of the removals from meta
status have a calming effect? Are we no longer effective in guiding
ex-editors here, or are they hanging out somewhere else?

I really don't know. My few "ins" at the project have mostly done their
several months of peak editing and moved on. I understand this is a fairly
normal editing pattern, but it leaves me without much information.

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Tim Maroney tim@...





Sun Jul 8, 2001 6:15 pm

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... reason, ... I'll clarify a few things about my particular situation... 1. I did suppy an email address the three times I submitted the site (about two...
kmslogic@...
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Jul 7, 2001
5:21 pm

... Could you post some of these links? In the first ten pages of links from a Google search for "Open Directory Project", I found exactly one mild complaint...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 9, 2001
12:48 pm

... http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=9&q=http://www.angelfire.com/journal/wizardofdmoz/&e=747 ...
kmslogic@...
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Jul 10, 2001
6:35 pm

... included or not in the ODP. Mostly true. ... either without comment or notice at all, or with a boilerplate comment or notice. Site rejections: mostly...
hitch-hiker@...
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Jul 23, 2001
2:33 pm

... What a load of crap. It's either owned by AOL or its not. In this case, it IS (there is no longer any such legal entity as Netscape btw). It's staggering...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 24, 2001
2:16 pm

... ODP is owned by Netscape. Netscape is owned by AOL....
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Jul 25, 2001
2:10 pm

[hitch-hiker:] ... See Jamie Zawinski's most recent commentary on the late, great non-existent Netscape at < http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/aoltw.html >....
David Prenatt
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Jul 25, 2001
3:07 pm

... existent Netscape at < http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/aoltw.html >. ("netscape and aol/time-warner, part two," or "not this crap again." He is ofcourse...
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Jul 26, 2001
2:19 pm

[David Prenatt (previously):] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... As opinions go, Jamie Zawinski's opinions about AOL, Netscape, and Mozilla are about as authoritative and...
David Prenatt
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Jul 26, 2001
3:03 pm

... 8< *snip* >8 ... I think it's a total of 7 maybe 8 people, there's a page somewhere hidden on ODP that tells you, it being a very small page it's quite ...
Fiona Cat
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Jul 24, 2001
2:18 pm

[kmslogic:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... [Fiona Cat:] ... See < http://dmoz.org/edoc/editall.html >. The first 26 logins listed there have root access and -- with...
David Prenatt
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Jul 24, 2001
5:59 pm

... 8< *snip* >8 ... It's not that page but that does actually go into a great deal more detail then the one I breifly saw (which showed you who recieved the ...
Fiona Cat
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Jul 25, 2001
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... At http://dmoz.org/edoc/editall.html The one with root access are staff. I don't know if everyone is active in the editing process. If you have time it's...
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Jul 25, 2001
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[A previous poster asserted:] ... [hitch-hiker retorted (previously):] ... [Fiona Cat questioned:] ... [hitch-hiker asserted:] ... Correction: People have...
David Prenatt
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Jul 25, 2001
3:08 pm

... False. I understand that you want to give a diffenent story. You are ofcourse free to do so, just don't expect me to belive it....
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Jul 26, 2001
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[David Prenatt:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... I really don't care what you believe. But if you want people to believe that editors, site submitters, and various...
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Jul 26, 2001
3:06 pm

... believe that editors, site submitters, and various other interested parties are being treated fairly by the powers that be at ODP -- which is presumably...
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Jul 27, 2001
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[hitch-hiker previously:] ... [David Prenatt (previously):] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... 1. You can in fact, as you put it, "prove a negative." Indeed, "proving a...
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Jul 27, 2001
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... In my opinion it's the total lack of facts presented that talk for themselves (loudly!). If you want to insist there are any facts you should either...
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Jul 30, 2001
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[David Prenatt:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... It is *YOU* who is attempting to defend the position that the facts behind editor removals should be kept secret. Any...
David Prenatt
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Jul 30, 2001
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... for ... you ... behind editor removals should be kept secret. Ah, I see! So you think that an internal issue is kept internal is a fact pointing to...
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Jul 31, 2001
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[hitch-hiker:] ... Not at all. I think that ODP's policies and procedures are unfair to: 1. Would-be ODP editors; 2. ODP editors seeking additional editing...
David Prenatt
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Jul 31, 2001
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[Previous poster:] ... [hitch-hiker:] ... Cf. < http://home.netscape.com/company/contacts/index.html >: "AOL / Netscape Communications is a leading provider of...
David Prenatt
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Jul 24, 2001
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[Tim Maroney:] ... Yes and no. The Sound and the Fury has more or less passed, but not a day goes by wherein I do not receive an e-mail from someone who is...
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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... Well, then, where are they? This is a sincere question. The last ex-editor complaint I recall is from Spock, and it was not really a complaint. That was...
Tim Maroney
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Jul 11, 2001
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[David Prenatt asserted:] ... [Tim Maroney inquired:] ... If you reread my previous post, you'll note that I mentioned my e-mail correspondence on the topic....
David Prenatt
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Jul 11, 2001
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The only problem I see with this letter is that there is no such company as "Netscape". Dmoz is owned by AOL/Time Warner, the world's largest media company. * ...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 7, 2001
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As a matter of fact, you should also point out that ODP is directly controlled by AOL/TW, not a "small group of people". Defacto, all editors work for them,...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 7, 2001
6:34 pm

... you're joking right? Ever heard of girl scout cookies? They generate millions of dollars in revenue and are sold by free labor too. Or hey, what about...
Shanti Reichlein
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Jul 8, 2001
12:57 am

Last I heard, AOL/Time Warner is not a non-profit organization. Perhaps they should call ODP the "Steve Case Lear Jet Fund" or something. * * Steve Thomas...
Steve Thomas
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Jul 8, 2001
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