I have to call you on this, Mark. The highest quality, premium products today are still hand-crafted. Think about hand-machined and assembled racing engines...
<rant> I'm not so convinced software cannot be a craft either. Writing and language were once elitist activities controlled by churches, but the advent of the...
To add fuel the Godwin's Law corollary (which totally cracked me up, Mike), I'll add that the one that makes me crazy is when someone in the field they're an...
"Actually, that might be a pretty good metaphor for many projects." The problem with any "widget factory" metaphor is that they seem to be associating the...
"I saw a tweet the other day to the effect of: "A Computer Science degree in 10 years will be as useful as a Philosophy degree is today." How sad, but true." ...
oh, wait. that's a different rant I carry around with me. the rant I should have pulled out is the one about "engineering" not being a creative, "crafty"...
This actually gets to the point I believe uncle bob is trying to make. "engineering" makes people think about things like the industrial revolution, of having...
Hi John, "racing engines and F1 cars" Huh. I wasn't aware that F1 cars were still made by blacksmiths, fueled and lubed without refined petroleum, and...
I was never denying the advance of technology. Assigning that to what I was saying seems like a straw man. I was merely denying that somehow mass-production...
It's a long thread. Forgive me if this has already been pointed out. I think that, for many projects, the entity filling up the stalls would be a more apt...
Nah... just add this to the long list of corollaries to Godwin's law "As an agile software development discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison...
John, "Rigorous standards of correctness are not at all at odds with a craft-oriented style of software development." Hm. Maybe the usage of the term "craft"...
Since when are band-aids "premium" products? You can get them at any grocery store! Interestingly, quite a bit of the medicine that I use these days was...
I think there's some confusion around 'craft' as process and 'arts and crafts' as the output of a process. The craftsman model simply recognized that there are...
Friends -- please don't forget that all these terms are metaphors. No one is suggesting developers weave baskets or drive trains. I've never found the...
Ward Cunningham
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Oct 29, 2009 6:52 pm
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John, [If this starts to feel like a flame war, call me on it. I intend it as honest disagreement, sprinkled with sarcasm of course, but no animosity...
Mark - Can you provide some support or rational for your assertion that craft was some back-woods cabala that resisted change and stood in the way of man's...
"our chosen medium has uniquely awesome powers that we have yet to fully exploit" Very well put. This touches another of my objections to Software as Craft:...
Friends -- please don't forget that all these terms are metaphors. No one is suggesting developers weave baskets or drive trains. I've never found the...
Ward Cunningham
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Oct 29, 2009 7:15 pm
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:10:44PM -0700, Mark Knell wrote: [quoting Ward Cunningham] ... I love that (and the modified form). Thanks for that, Ward. :) ... ...
Steve Willoughby
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Oct 29, 2009 7:22 pm
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"Can you provide some support or rational for your assertion that craft was some back-woods cabala that resisted change..." Yep. I don't know where you came up...
Time for the monthly Agile lunch! Same time, same place: McMenamins on NE 15th and Broadway, from 1 until whenever people leave. Newbies and the curious are...
Hello Everyone, I have one copy of Clean Code by Robert C Martin available for $32 - what we paid for it. It has never been used. Contact me off list to ...
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