Can't wait to see it. Will the book have a companion website?

     --xian


tibor712000 wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am pleased to inform you about the publication of my book "User-Centered
Interaction Design Patterns for Interactive Digital Television Applications".
The book wil be published by Springer in July 2009 in the Human-Computer
Interaction Series, edited by John Karat and Jean Vanderdonckt. For information
on the book please see
>
> http://www.springer.com/computer/user+interfaces/book/978-1-84882-274-0
>
> With best regards,
> Dr. Tibor Kunert
>
>

Dear all,

I am pleased to inform you about the publication of my book "User-Centered
Interaction Design Patterns for Interactive Digital Television Applications".
The book wil be published by Springer in July 2009 in the Human-Computer
Interaction Series, edited by John Karat and Jean Vanderdonckt. For information
on the book please see

http://www.springer.com/computer/user+interfaces/book/978-1-84882-274-0

With best regards,
Dr. Tibor Kunert

Good question! You may want to ask it on ydn-javascript, where the YUI
folks hang out. I'd love to see what you manage to put together with
your Zen YUI CSS mashup!

     --xian


Phillip Senn wrote:
> Hello group.  It looks like the last message was posted Nov 24, 2008.
>
> Q: Are there any skins for YUI Grids CSS?
> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/
>
>
> I'm thinking of mashing up CSS Zen Garden with YUI Grids CSS to see
> how close I can get.
>
>
>

Hello group.  It looks like the last message was posted Nov 24, 2008.

Q: Are there any skins for YUI Grids CSS?
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/


I'm thinking of mashing up CSS Zen Garden with YUI Grids CSS to see
how close I can get.

Hey Christian,

Great to hear that you guys had a chance to gather some research over
the summer. Our pattern language initiative ended up losing steam
fairly quickly earlier in the year, mostly due to bad timing.

I'm still very interested in helping out with any work on
standardizing a way to share patterns, though. So if either yourself
or Martijn or anybody else has some work that needs to be done to keep
momentum, I'm more than willing to help carry the torch.

Looking forward to reading your findings, and happy to see this
discussion happening again.

Cheers.
-Ryan

.

--- In ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com, "Phillip Senn" <phillipsenn@...> wrote:
>
> Xian,
>
> Thank you SO MUCH for replying.
> > Do you mean HTML examples or stencils for drawing programs?
> HTML examples.
> For instance, I took this person's page:
> http://www.newbeginningsfamilyservices.org/kristie/index.html
> and converted it into a yui page:
> http://www.aacr9.com/Index/Kristie/Index.htm
>
> So I'm looking for HTML templates built in YUI CSS Grids.

OK, so let's start with YUI. The main entry related to CSS Grids is
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/

A tool for quickly mocking up valid YUI grids is
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/builder/

A number of examples implementing the grids are
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/grids/index.html

Also, there is a mailing list at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript for
discussing the YUI code library.


> > There is a grid pattern in the Yahoo design pattern library
> http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/pattern.php?pattern=grid
> Oh wow!  Look at that!

This isn't a template but more of a guide to best practices.

Finally, the stencil kit at the pattern library has some grid diagrams for
various drawing
programs
http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/wireframes/

Hope this helps!

-xian-

I'm not sure I understand what a design pattern is in relation to web
design, because the phrase design pattern in programming has a more
abstract meaning than what I think it means in web design.

Having said that, I am looking for templates for YUI CSS Grids.
Am I in the right place?

My thought is to find a template library like the ones shown below,
but for YUI.

http://cssmania.com/
http://www.styleshout.com/
http://www.dreamtemplate.com/
http://www.devianart.com/
http://www.free-css-templates.com/help/
http://www.freelayouts.com/websites/html-templates
http://members.freewebs.com/
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/
http://www.tjkdesign.com/templates/
http://doodlekit.com/home
http://www.websitetemplates.name/
http://www.templatemonster.com

> Our pattern language initiative ended up losing steam
> fairly quickly earlier in the year, mostly due to bad timing.

We are faced with the same situation and I think part of it is the
effort needed to seed a new library (resource conflicts).

Having said that, I'm interested in helping with the standardizing
work because among other things, I believe it would help me with the
issue above.

(I'm interested in hearing other stories about failed attempts at
pattern libraries though, perhaps a good separate conversation).

Hey Christian,

Great to hear that you guys had a chance to gather some research over
the summer. Our pattern language initiative ended up losing steam
fairly quickly earlier in the year, mostly due to bad timing.

I'm still very interested in helping out with any work on
standardizing a way to share patterns, though. So if either yourself
or Martijn or anybody else has some work that needs to be done to keep
momentum, I'm more than willing to help carry the torch.

Looking forward to reading your findings, and happy to see this
discussion happening again.

Cheers.
-Ryan

--- In ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com, Christian Crumlish <xian@...> wrote:
>
> hey, wasn't sure where we left this discussion, so I wanted to post a
> little update.
>
> This summer, my intern, Chris Hanrath, did an analysis of the standard
> pattern elements in a number of well known UI pattern libraries and
also
> took a look at PLML as currently implemented (in a 1.x version) at
> welie.com.
>
> My goal is to employ a very similar (as close as possible) version of
> PLML in the upcoming redesigned Yahoo pattern library and thus - by
> converging with Welie - create some momentum for de facto standard.
>
> One reason why I care about this is that we have several distinct
> pattern collections inside Yahoo and I'd like to be able to share or
> migrate patterns more readily.
>
> Folks working on Fluid's open source design pattern library also seem
> interested in exploring this possibility.
>
> Furthermore, I was at PLoP last month and the non-UI patterns people
> there also seemed interested in (a) forging stronger ties with the UI
> design pattern community and (b) looking into the use of PLML as well
> (in which case we might need to take care not to "tune it" too closely
> to the current tradition of UI patterns but allow it to be flexible
> enough to embrace the wider world of patterns (which have many of the
> same sharing and management issues we face).
>
> As soon as I get a moment, I'm going to post some of our working
> documents to the appropriate forum at Yahoo's library, at which point
> I'll post a link here and ask for comments and feedback.
>
>     --xian
>
>
>
> dexterstonehaus wrote:
> >
> > Hello group!
> >
> > I'm working with a group to build yet another pattern library and want
> > to make sure that it's aligned to add to the existing set of
> > libraries, rather than duplicate.
> >
> > I've been ramping up on the recent history of UI/Web PL's and found a
> > slide in one of Christian's presentations that briefly touched upon
> > formats for sharing patterns - PLMLx and a possible Microformat.
> >
> > My initial exploration of PLMLx 1.0 seems to suggest it hasn't been
> > worked on in 3+ years. I know a few libraries are using PLML which
> > suggests its the prime (if only) candidate for a sharing format, but
> > surely there must be some criticism and room for improvement :P
> >
> > Anyhow, I'm interested in any sort of information about initiatives to
> > combine efforts and would love to hear from anyone about other issues
> > besides technology that are being discussed.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > -Ryan
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *christian crumlish * ... xian21370 <ymsgr:SendIM?xian21370>
> patternista ... *YDN UED (Y!OS)*
>

I'm not sure I understand what a design pattern is in relation to web
design, because the phrase design pattern in programming has a more
abstract meaning than what I think it means in web design.

Having said that, I am looking for templates for YUI CSS Grids.
Am I in the right place?

My thought is to find a template library like the ones shown below,
but for YUI.


http://cssmania.com/
http://www.styleshout.com/
http://www.dreamtemplate.com/
http://www.devianart.com/
http://www.free-css-templates.com/help/
http://www.freelayouts.com/websites/html-templates
http://members.freewebs.com/
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/
http://www.tjkdesign.com/templates/
http://doodlekit.com/home
http://www.websitetemplates.name/
http://www.templatemonster.com

Hello group!

I'm working with a group to build yet another pattern library and want
to make sure that it's aligned to add to the existing set of
libraries, rather than duplicate.

I've been ramping up on the recent history of UI/Web PL's and found a
slide in one of Christian's presentations that briefly touched upon
formats for sharing patterns - PLMLx and a possible Microformat.

My initial exploration of PLMLx 1.0 seems to suggest it hasn't been
worked on in 3+ years. I know a few libraries are using PLML which
suggests its the prime (if only) candidate for a sharing format, but
surely there must be some criticism and room for improvement :P

Anyhow, I'm interested in any sort of information about initiatives to
combine efforts and would love to hear from anyone about other issues
besides technology that are being discussed.

Cheers.
-Ryan

Hi Lucas,

thanks a lot! I'd say having a file for each stencil would probably
make things easier even for those who don't use freehand. That said,
the SVG link gives a 404. I'll try again in a few days.

Cheers,
Celso

-

Hi Lucas,


thanks a lot! I'd say having a file for each stencil would probably
make things easier even for those who don't use freehand. That said,
the SVG link gives a 404. I'll  try again in a few days.

Cheers,
Celso

--- In ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas Pettinati" <lucas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Celso,
> I've started converting the stencils to SVG and Christian should
have them up and available
> on the site in the next couple of days.
>
> I should probably take this opportunity to ask all you out there to
chime in on how we can
> improve the stencils. I created them in OmniGraffle and exported a
few different file formats,
> but think that there may be a better workflow out there.
>
> Would it make sense to offer each stencil as a separate file? This
would definitely be of
> benefit to Illustrator users since you can create symbolic links to
placed objects and update
> the links whenever the element changes.
>
> We definitely intend to keep stencil development open and iterative,
so don't be afraid to
> send in your ideas :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas Pettinati
>

Hi Celso,
I've started converting the stencils to SVG and Christian should have them up and available on the site in the next couple of days.

Hi Celso,
I've started converting the stencils to SVG and Christian should have them up
and available
on the site in the next couple of days.

I should probably take this opportunity to ask all you out there to chime in on
how we can
improve the stencils. I created them in OmniGraffle and exported a few different
file formats,
but think that there may be a better workflow out there.

Would it make sense to offer each stencil as a separate file? This would
definitely be of
benefit to Illustrator users since you can create symbolic links to placed
objects and update
the links whenever the element changes.

We definitely intend to keep stencil development open and iterative, so don't be
afraid to
send in your ideas :-)

Thanks,
Lucas Pettinati

Hi everyone,

first of all a big thank you for the UI element stencils you guys made
available. I'd like to know if you're planning on also including SVG
versions of them for guys like myself who use tools like Inkscape, a lot.

Regards,
Celso

hi Help

 

i right clip on "Add References" at Solution Explorer, Reference to get System.IO. but i cannot find it in the listing. What should i do?

 

i am using File.ReadAll, is it available in .Net 2.0 system.IO?

Compiling report it does not have this definition?

 

alvin

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Thanks for your help!

I was wondering if someone had a pattern for changing the default font
size of the main content block on a page (and maybe persisting it)?

Hey Martijn,

I was actually checking out the PLML for that *exact* pattern
yesterday. I'd love to get more detailed information from you and
figure out how I might be able to help with development of a standard.

Cheers.
-Ryan

--- In ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com, "Welie, Martijn van"
<martijn.van.welie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
>
>
> I have been using a later version of PLML for my own collection of
> patterns. Just click on the PLML button next to any pattern and you can
> see what it looks like. For example:
>
> http://www.welie.com/patterns/tag-cloud.xml
>
>
>
> It is not PLML 1.0 but more like PLML 2.0 although that has never been
> defined anywhere....;-)
>
>
>
> Some time ago there was a discussion on this mailinglist on this topic
> and there seemed to be a lot of common interest in standardizing on one
> standard. There differences in the technical formats seemed to be small.
> However, I guess none of us really had the time to develop the standard
> any further.
>
>
>
> Let me know if you want to know more detailed information.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Martijn van Welie
>
>
>
> From: ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of dexterstonehaus
> Sent: woensdag 30 januari 2008 23:29
> To: ydn-patterns@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ydn-patterns] Pattern Libraries: standardizing and sharing
>
>
>
> Hello group!
>
> I'm working with a group to build yet another pattern library and want
> to make sure that it's aligned to add to the existing set of
> libraries, rather than duplicate.
>
> I've been ramping up on the recent history of UI/Web PL's and found a
> slide in one of Christian's presentations that briefly touched upon
> formats for sharing patterns - PLMLx and a possible Microformat.
>
> My initial exploration of PLMLx 1.0 seems to suggest it hasn't been
> worked on in 3+ years. I know a few libraries are using PLML which
> suggests its the prime (if only) candidate for a sharing format, but
> surely there must be some criticism and room for improvement :P
>
> Anyhow, I'm interested in any sort of information about initiatives to
> combine efforts and would love to hear from anyone about other issues
> besides technology that are being discussed.
>
> Cheers.
> -Ryan
>

Hello group!

I'm working with a group to build yet another pattern library and want
to make sure that it's aligned to add to the existing set of
libraries, rather than duplicate.

I've been ramping up on the recent history of UI/Web PL's and found a
slide in one of Christian's presentations that briefly touched upon
formats for sharing patterns - PLMLx and a possible Microformat.

My initial exploration of PLMLx 1.0 seems to suggest it hasn't been
worked on in 3+ years. I know a few libraries are using PLML which
suggests its the prime (if only) candidate for a sharing format, but
surely there must be some criticism and room for improvement :P

Anyhow, I'm interested in any sort of information about initiatives to
combine efforts and would love to hear from anyone about other issues
besides technology that are being discussed.

Cheers.
-Ryan