Hi Everyone,

I've been a Musicmatch Jukebox fan for years, but I just abandoned
Musicmatch for Yahoo Jukebox Plus because Muiscmatch kept crashing
(even after clean installs).

Problem is, I can't seem to get Yahoo Jukebox to sound as good as
Musicmatch did on my computer.  I purchased "plus" upgrade for Yahoo,
but when I change advanced processing settings it doesn't seem to
affect the sound quality that much.

Anyone know what settings I could tweak in Yahoo Jukebox to get the
better sound quality I seemed to be getting with Musicmatch Jukebox?

Thanks,
Brian

> I have downloaded every example I could find, made all the changes as
> stated in the posts, tried every imaginable registry entry and still
> have not gotten `helloworld' working.  Does anybody have a
> working `helloworld' they could post to the files section?

Sorry for the delay. I've uploaded an update to Blake Pell's VB 2005
sample with the filename "YME Template Plugin (VB.NET 2005 HelloWorld)
2.zip".

It includes the file "YMEPlugin.reg" in the solution that will set the
required registry entries. The project also has "Register for COM
interop" set and starts YMJ when debugging.

There are some other minor changes/fixes and shows an example of
getting an image for the plugin.

//Tomi B.

Unfortunetly it seems that it is impossible for me to remove these
unwanted playlists. Here is what I did this time.

1) In my play list code I removed each unwanted playlist. I did this in
a loop once per second to play nice with the web service. The method I
call is RemovePlaylist2. I get an HRESULT of 0 back and I can confirm
that the WS responds witha 200. Also When I look at my playlists in the
UI they go away just as I expect. When everything was done and my code
finsihed I left it alone for several hours. then closed YMJ. During the
time I left it alone I see that it called
http://webservice.music.yahoo.com/musicclient/main.asmx
<http://webservice.music.yahoo.com/musicclient/main.asmx>  a few times.
Then I closed the play and opened it again. Then all my previoulsy
deleted playlists come right back, duplictaes and all. BTW when I say
duplictaes I mean that I have many playlists with duplictae names but
different entryIds. I did not create these manually somehow they just
showed up. I currently have ~ 4k playlists and all but 100 of them came
when I had YME crawl my local music library. The problem that I noticed
was that it trakes YME way too long to load up all those playlists,
probably becuase you have to make all those WS calls? WIndows Mediac
Connect e.g. just goes to it's onw local WMDB.

I really like the player, ther service, and the fact that you have an
API. but unfortunetly for me it is all unusable. The only thng I can
think of doing is cancelling which I don't want to do. Do you have any
other suggestions?

Thanks,
Michael

--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, "Manish Upendran" <mupendra@...> wrote:
>
> Hi please see my comments in line.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of michael.ruggiero
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:16 PM
> To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ymedev] How do you remove playlists permanently?
>
>
>
> I have run YMJ on 3 machines and connected to my XBOX 360 and my Roku
> Labs M1000. I have also had it crawl my local MP3s\WMAs and as a
> result I now have a few thousand playlists. It seems pretty clear to
> me that YMJ can't really handle a lot of playlists. Also I end up
> with duplicate playlists which confiunds the problem.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1) playlistManager.RemovePlaylist2(playlist.EntryID); Seems to delete
> a playlist but then it comes back. What do I need to make it stick?
>
>
> -------> It should typically stick, if you are signed in, do a delete
> and leave YMJ running. I don't remember off hand what the interval is.
> It is either 60 or 120 mins.
>
> 2)Why do I have duplicates? If I can answer question 1 then I can fix
> this.
>
> ------> Are you referring to duplicates seen on the device or in YMJ
> itself?? If it is the former, it is possible when the playlist syncs
up
> on sign in, this list is not being reconciled correctly by the Network
> music. This would be a bug.
>
> 3) It appears that YMJ makes a single web service call for each
> playlist. Have you considered something more performant that gets
> playlists in "chunks"? Your first call would be "How many playlists
> are there?" and then you could get them in chunks of 25 or something.
> This would be way less chatty and faster.
>
>
>
> --------> Yep we are considered various ways to do this and evolving
> this as we speak.
>
>
> 4) Is there a local DB that I can manipulate by hand or is everything
> handled through WebService Calls?
>
>
>
> --------> Its is pretty heavily tied to our web service
infrastructure.
>
>
> 5) Are people not really supposed to have lots of playlists?
>
>
>
> ---------> Actually playlists are the ideal use case for YMJ ,
> especially if used from a device.
>
>
> I really like the player and the API docs but it seems to have major
> perf problems with a lot of playlists.
>
> -------> I am just curious, how many playlists are we talking about
> here??
>
>
> BTW my machine is 6 months old, running Vista (32bit) with 2 GB of
> memory.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Hi please see my comments in line.



   _____

From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of michael.ruggiero
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:16 PM
To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ymedev] How do you remove playlists permanently?



I have run YMJ on 3 machines and connected to my XBOX 360 and my Roku
Labs M1000. I have also had it crawl my local MP3s\WMAs and as a
result I now have a few thousand playlists. It seems pretty clear to
me that YMJ can't really handle a lot of playlists. Also I end up
with duplicate playlists which confiunds the problem.

Here are my questions:

1) playlistManager.RemovePlaylist2(playlist.EntryID); Seems to delete
a playlist but then it comes back. What do I need to make it stick?


-------> It should typically stick, if you are signed in, do a delete
and leave YMJ running. I don't remember off hand what the interval is.
It is either 60 or 120 mins.

2)Why do I have duplicates? If I can answer question 1 then I can fix
this.

------> Are you referring to duplicates seen on the device or in YMJ
itself?? If it is the former,  it is possible when the playlist syncs up
on sign in, this list is not being reconciled correctly by the Network
music. This would be a bug.

3) It appears that YMJ makes a single web service call for each
playlist. Have you considered something more performant that gets
playlists in "chunks"? Your first call would be "How many playlists
are there?" and then you could get them in chunks of 25 or something.
This would be way less chatty and faster.



--------> Yep we are considered various ways to do this and evolving
this as we speak.


4) Is there a local DB that I can manipulate by hand or is everything
handled through WebService Calls?



--------> Its is pretty heavily tied to our web service infrastructure.


5) Are people not really supposed to have lots of playlists?



---------> Actually playlists are the ideal use case for YMJ ,
especially if used from a device.


I really like the player and the API docs but it seems to have major
perf problems with a lot of playlists.

-------> I am just curious, how many playlists are we talking about
here??


BTW my machine is 6 months old, running Vista (32bit) with 2 GB of
memory.

Thanks,
Michael





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Also is RemovePlaylist2 async?  Hello...anybody out there?

--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, "michael.ruggiero"
<michael.ruggiero@...> wrote:
>
> I have run YMJ on 3 machines and connected to my XBOX 360 and my
Roku
> Labs M1000. I have also had it crawl my local MP3s\WMAs and as a
> result I now have a few thousand playlists. It seems pretty clear
to
> me that YMJ can't really handle a lot of playlists. Also I end up
> with duplicate playlists which confiunds the problem.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1) playlistManager.RemovePlaylist2(playlist.EntryID); Seems to
delete
> a playlist but then it comes back. What do I need to make it stick?
>
> 2)Why do I have duplicates? If I can answer question 1 then I can
fix
> this.
>
> 3) It appears that YMJ makes a single web service call for each
> playlist. Have you considered something more performant that gets
> playlists in "chunks"? Your first call would be "How many playlists
> are there?" and then you could get them in chunks of 25 or
something.
> This would be way less chatty and faster.
>
> 4) Is there a local DB that I can manipulate by hand or is
everything
> handled through WebService Calls?
>
> 5) Are people not really supposed to have lots of playlists?
>
> I really like the player and the API docs but it seems to have
major
> perf problems with a lot of playlists.
>
> BTW my machine is 6 months old, running Vista (32bit) with 2 GB of
> memory.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>

Anyone familar with the VideoCode php script that allows you to put Yahoo Music
Videos on your site ??



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have run YMJ on 3 machines and connected to my XBOX 360 and my Roku
Labs M1000. I have also had it crawl my local MP3s\WMAs and as a
result I now have a few thousand playlists. It seems pretty clear to
me that YMJ can't really handle a lot of playlists. Also I end up
with duplicate playlists which confiunds the problem.

Here are my questions:

1) playlistManager.RemovePlaylist2(playlist.EntryID); Seems to delete
a playlist but then it comes back. What do I need to make it stick?

2)Why do I have duplicates? If I can answer question 1 then I can fix
this.

3) It appears that YMJ makes a single web service call for each
playlist. Have you considered something more performant that gets
playlists in "chunks"? Your first call would be "How many playlists
are there?" and then you could get them in chunks of 25 or something.
This would be way less chatty and faster.

4) Is there a local DB that I can manipulate by hand or is everything
handled through WebService Calls?

5) Are people not really supposed to have lots of playlists?

I really like the player and the API docs but it seems to have major
perf problems with a lot of playlists.

BTW my machine is 6 months old, running Vista (32bit) with 2 GB of
memory.

Thanks,
Michael

--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, "docbliny" <tomi.blinnikka@...> wrote:
>
> Launching/browsing stations with the RMPRemote interface should be
> possible with the latest versions of YMJ, though I haven't got around
> to trying it and the docs haven't been updated.
>
> I'll probably get around to playing with the new stuff when I start
> working on the Vista version of the Taskbar remote. The question is
> when I can find the time... :)
>
> //TB
>
> --- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, fredklages <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I want to design a plugin to allow direct access to any (or all) of
> > the Launchcast radio stations. I have a keypad controlled audio
> system
> > in my home and have limited buttons. I ultimately would like to be
> > able to step through the stations of my preference (based on Genre,
> > for example) from my keypads in each room. I have basic html
> skills,
> > but would prefer to go another direction with it (VB maybe). Any
> > comments?
> >
>


hey to make a launchcast station into a playlist all u gotta do is nab
the station info and use the same method u use for my station.xspf...
here are the steps (i dumbed the process down as much as possible:

to change the xspf file so that you can make it load

any station (im not 100% sure about moods because i

dont use them but im sure its a similar process) you

have to find the link for the station in your web

browser at launch.yahoo.com.

the easiest way to do it is using an unsupported web

browser (aka anything but internet explorer):

1. find the direct link that (if you were/are in

internet explorer) opens the launchcast player and

starts playing the station

2. (in unsupported browser)
	 click the link and let it bring you to the

"your launchcast player could not open" page

([.../.../relaunch.asp?*random numbers and letters*])

just look at the address bar and mark down everything

that comes after relaunch.asp? so that you have
p=?
m=?
and
d=?

2. (in internet explorer)
	 click the link and open up the launchcast

player. hit the F11 key to go into full screen so you

can see the address bar. follow the url until you get

to .../.../player.asp? and after that you should see

something along the lines of ...

cid=?&iid=?&ltw=LaunchRadioTarget&  ...
and then after that you should see  ...  p=?&m=?&d=?

mark down the numbers after p, m, and d

3. drag the my station.xspf file over the notepad icon

under start>all programs/accessories so that notepad

is highlighted and let it go. (this should open up the

file in notepad)

4. [if word wrap is turned off under format>word wrap]

you want to change lines 10-12. change 0 on line 10 to

whatever was after d=
change 0 on line 11 to whatever was after m=
and change 0 on line 12 to whatever was after p=
*note: if p=undefined then don't change line 10

5. go to file>save as and save it in whatever folder

as the name of the station and you're good to go.

email me @ thanatos12@... if u have ny questions [be sure to say
"thanatos," in the beginning of the subject so i dont delete it as
spam....

I have downloaded every example I could find, made all the changes as
stated in the posts, tried every imaginable registry entry and still
have not gotten `helloworld' working.  Does anybody have a
working `helloworld' they could post to the files section?

Thanks all!

--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, "shortyg30" <geekymike@...> wrote:
>
> for the last 3 days i cant get yahoo music to download an install im
> going crazy is somthing wrong over at yahoo ??
>
it just seems to be a little slow

for the last 3 days i cant get yahoo music to download an install im
going crazy is somthing wrong over at yahoo ??

Hi there,
I'm trying to write a web plugin that will have javascript to switch
the contents of the main panel directly to an artists page. I'd also
need to figure out the artist id.

Could anyone out there help me?

Thanks,
--Saeed

Yeah, one signature feature that the players have that allow you to
browse the catalog without your computer running. Same with the sansa.
Too bad.. cause $300 is far too much for a dumbed down computer with
no functionality. I could newegg a cheapo computer for that price that
has way more functionality. D'ah. Thanks guys.


--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, Doug Baker <juicer_digdug@...> wrote:
>
> Have you looked at a Squeezebox?  I have a couple of Roku M500s now,
but the Squeezebox looks so nice and now will integrate Rhapsody.
Though my main reason for choosing a self-contained unit is that I
don't want to have to use my TV to listen to music.
>
> http://www.slimdevices.com
>
> Doug
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: fred_wow <fredscool_1@...>
> To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:26:42 AM
> Subject: [ymedev] Re: YM & Rhapsody & UPNP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Hey all, sorry about my last reply (if it gets
published). I was
>
> frustrated. Anyhow - in case anyone is curious, i picked up the DSM
>
> 320 and the 520 last night and compared them (and their usefulness
to
>
> yahoo music subscribers) . Great thing to read, since I believe the
net
>
> to be void of anything on these products for yahoo subscribers, I
>
> thought I'd offer something to the community.
>
>
>
> http://fredrickvill e.com/?board= 6&n=105
>
>
>
> --- In ymedev@yahoogroups. com, "Manish Upendran" <mupendra@ .>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi,
>
> >
>
> > Rhapsody has a webservice layer that device licensees can directly
>
> query
>
> > for catalog browse capabilities. These devices also typically
>
> implement
>
> > specifica UI flows to enable browsing a large catalog. It is not
>
> > realistic to make this available via standard upnp browse / search
>
> > methods for the off the shelf upnp av device.
>
> >
>
> > Since YMJ / Network Music comes with both local and bookmark
>
> streaming
>
> > capability, using your example, all your friend would have to do
is
>
> sign
>
> > into YMJ on your local PC.
>
> > All their playlists will become automatically available on the
local
>
> > network. Further if the playlist are made of bookmarked YMU
tracks,
>
> they
>
> > will be streamable to the local upnp device w/o having to download
>
> them
>
> > first.
>
> >
>
> > - Manish
>
> >
>
> >   _____
>
> >
>
> > From: ymedev@yahoogroups. com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups. com] On
>
> Behalf
>
> > Of fred_wow
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:59 AM
>
> > To: ymedev@yahoogroups. com
>
> > Subject: [ymedev] YM & Rhapsody & UPNP
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Well, I'm not totally sure on this one, but from everything I've
>
> been
>
> > reading around the net, I'm guessing there isn't a way to really
>
> > search or browse ALL of yahoo music from a media player (such as
the
>
> > dlink 520, or 320), only what's in your library (downloads and
>
> > bookmarks).
>
> >
>
> > The problem I've got with this is:
>
> >
>
> > These media players were developed to allow you to access content
on
>
> > your TV without needing to hook it up to a computer. What good is
>
> > that if you still have to run to your computer when you've got
>
> > something new you want to play?
>
> >
>
> > Think of this situation:
>
> > Got a computer in a private room, and a media center in the living
>
> > room with something like the dsm-520. A few friends don't like
your
>
> > music choice, so you say, fine, I've got yahoo music, you pick out
>
> > what you want to listen to. Of course, because their taste in
music
>
> > is different, it's not in my library, so now they have to go to
the
>
> > computer and EVEN WORSE: They get to add music I DON'T LIKE to my
>
> > library. Thanks to technical issues, I'm forced to have music I
>
> > dislike in my library?
>
> >
>
> > And secondly: Rhapsody supports accessing the entire library, not
>
> > just your small library, the entire library. How can we let
Rhapsody
>
> > one-up yahoo?
>
> >
>
> > So this is where dev comes in: Can we develop a plugin that
enables
>
> > this feature (And no, I don't care just how hard is it to
navigate.
>
> > Rhapsody does it, and I don't want to switch)?
>
> >
>
> > I might be totally wrong, but the text on these devices are
>
> > misleading and not complete, all the device reviews have mixed
ideas
>
> > (some say yes, others say no). And worst: Yahoo music support
won't
>
> > reply to a single help email I've sent. (Neither will DLink), and
>
> > it's not cause I'm impolite (my emails were generally very simple:
>
> > Does yahoo support XYZ?)
>
> >
>
> > Anyhow, I'm a programmer, however i don't even know where to start
>
> on
>
> > a upnp server.. But if it's possible to create something like this
>
> (I
>
> > didn't see too much full-library search/browse capabilities in the
>
> > plugin documentation) I'd love to work on this.
>
> >
>
> > I think I'll go to best buy and "rent" the 520 tonight and see for
>
> > myself.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Have you looked at a Squeezebox?  I have a couple of Roku M500s now, but the
Squeezebox looks so nice and now will integrate Rhapsody. Though my main reason
for choosing a self-contained unit is that I don't want to have to use my TV to
listen to music.

http://www.slimdevices.com

Doug


----- Original Message ----
From: fred_wow <fredscool_1@...>
To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:26:42 AM
Subject: [ymedev] Re: YM & Rhapsody & UPNP













             Hey all, sorry about my last reply (if it gets published). I was

frustrated. Anyhow - in case anyone is curious, i picked up the DSM

320 and the 520 last night and compared them (and their usefulness to

yahoo music subscribers) . Great thing to read, since I believe the net

to be void of anything on these products for yahoo subscribers, I

thought I'd offer something to the community.



http://fredrickvill e.com/?board= 6&n=105



--- In ymedev@yahoogroups. com, "Manish Upendran" <mupendra@.. .> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Rhapsody has a webservice layer that device licensees can directly

query

> for catalog browse capabilities. These devices also typically

implement

> specifica UI flows to enable browsing a large catalog. It is not

> realistic to make this available via standard upnp browse / search

> methods for the off the shelf upnp av device.

>

> Since YMJ / Network Music comes with both local and bookmark

streaming

> capability, using your example, all your friend would have to do is

sign

> into YMJ on your local PC.

> All their playlists will become automatically available on the local

> network. Further if the playlist are made of bookmarked YMU tracks,

they

> will be streamable to the local upnp device w/o having to download

them

> first.

>

> - Manish

>

>   _____

>

> From: ymedev@yahoogroups. com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups. com] On

Behalf

> Of fred_wow

> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:59 AM

> To: ymedev@yahoogroups. com

> Subject: [ymedev] YM & Rhapsody & UPNP

>

>

>

> Well, I'm not totally sure on this one, but from everything I've

been

> reading around the net, I'm guessing there isn't a way to really

> search or browse ALL of yahoo music from a media player (such as the

> dlink 520, or 320), only what's in your library (downloads and

> bookmarks).

>

> The problem I've got with this is:

>

> These media players were developed to allow you to access content on

> your TV without needing to hook it up to a computer. What good is

> that if you still have to run to your computer when you've got

> something new you want to play?

>

> Think of this situation:

> Got a computer in a private room, and a media center in the living

> room with something like the dsm-520. A few friends don't like your

> music choice, so you say, fine, I've got yahoo music, you pick out

> what you want to listen to. Of course, because their taste in music

> is different, it's not in my library, so now they have to go to the

> computer and EVEN WORSE: They get to add music I DON'T LIKE to my

> library. Thanks to technical issues, I'm forced to have music I

> dislike in my library?

>

> And secondly: Rhapsody supports accessing the entire library, not

> just your small library, the entire library. How can we let Rhapsody

> one-up yahoo?

>

> So this is where dev comes in: Can we develop a plugin that enables

> this feature (And no, I don't care just how hard is it to navigate.

> Rhapsody does it, and I don't want to switch)?

>

> I might be totally wrong, but the text on these devices are

> misleading and not complete, all the device reviews have mixed ideas

> (some say yes, others say no). And worst: Yahoo music support won't

> reply to a single help email I've sent. (Neither will DLink), and

> it's not cause I'm impolite (my emails were generally very simple:

> Does yahoo support XYZ?)

>

> Anyhow, I'm a programmer, however i don't even know where to start

on

> a upnp server.. But if it's possible to create something like this

(I

> didn't see too much full-library search/browse capabilities in the

> plugin documentation) I'd love to work on this.

>

> I think I'll go to best buy and "rent" the 520 tonight and see for

> myself.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>














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Hey all, sorry about my last reply (if it gets published). I was
frustrated. Anyhow - in case anyone is curious, i picked up the DSM
320 and the 520 last night and compared them (and their usefulness to
yahoo music subscribers). Great thing to read, since I believe the net
to be void of anything on these products for yahoo subscribers, I
thought I'd offer something to the community.

http://fredrickville.com/?board=6&n=105



--- In ymedev@yahoogroups.com, "Manish Upendran" <mupendra@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Rhapsody has a webservice layer that device licensees can directly
query
> for catalog browse capabilities. These devices also typically
implement
> specifica UI flows to enable browsing a large catalog. It is not
> realistic to make this available via standard upnp browse / search
> methods for the off the shelf upnp av device.
>
> Since YMJ / Network Music comes with both local and bookmark
streaming
> capability, using your example, all your friend would have to do is
sign
> into YMJ on your local PC.
> All their playlists will become automatically available on the local
> network. Further if the playlist are made of bookmarked YMU tracks,
they
> will be streamable to the local upnp device w/o having to download
them
> first.
>
> - Manish
>
>   _____
>
> From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of fred_wow
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:59 AM
> To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ymedev] YM & Rhapsody & UPNP
>
>
>
> Well, I'm not totally sure on this one, but from everything I've
been
> reading around the net, I'm guessing there isn't a way to really
> search or browse ALL of yahoo music from a media player (such as the
> dlink 520, or 320), only what's in your library (downloads and
> bookmarks).
>
> The problem I've got with this is:
>
> These media players were developed to allow you to access content on
> your TV without needing to hook it up to a computer. What good is
> that if you still have to run to your computer when you've got
> something new you want to play?
>
> Think of this situation:
> Got a computer in a private room, and a media center in the living
> room with something like the dsm-520. A few friends don't like your
> music choice, so you say, fine, I've got yahoo music, you pick out
> what you want to listen to. Of course, because their taste in music
> is different, it's not in my library, so now they have to go to the
> computer and EVEN WORSE: They get to add music I DON'T LIKE to my
> library. Thanks to technical issues, I'm forced to have music I
> dislike in my library?
>
> And secondly: Rhapsody supports accessing the entire library, not
> just your small library, the entire library. How can we let Rhapsody
> one-up yahoo?
>
> So this is where dev comes in: Can we develop a plugin that enables
> this feature (And no, I don't care just how hard is it to navigate.
> Rhapsody does it, and I don't want to switch)?
>
> I might be totally wrong, but the text on these devices are
> misleading and not complete, all the device reviews have mixed ideas
> (some say yes, others say no). And worst: Yahoo music support won't
> reply to a single help email I've sent. (Neither will DLink), and
> it's not cause I'm impolite (my emails were generally very simple:
> Does yahoo support XYZ?)
>
> Anyhow, I'm a programmer, however i don't even know where to start
on
> a upnp server.. But if it's possible to create something like this
(I
> didn't see too much full-library search/browse capabilities in the
> plugin documentation) I'd love to work on this.
>
> I think I'll go to best buy and "rent" the 520 tonight and see for
> myself.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yeah, that's definitely a problem. Rhapsody just won my vote.

Hi,

Rhapsody has a webservice layer that device licensees can directly query
for catalog browse capabilities. These devices also typically implement
specifica UI flows to enable browsing a large catalog. It is not
realistic to make this available via standard upnp browse / search
methods for the off the shelf upnp av device.

Since YMJ / Network Music comes with both local and bookmark streaming
capability, using your example, all your friend would have to do is sign
into YMJ on your local PC.
All their playlists will become automatically available on the local
network. Further if the playlist are made of bookmarked YMU tracks, they
will be streamable to the local upnp device w/o having to download them
first.

- Manish

   _____

From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of fred_wow
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:59 AM
To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ymedev] YM & Rhapsody & UPNP



Well, I'm not totally sure on this one, but from everything I've been
reading around the net, I'm guessing there isn't a way to really
search or browse ALL of yahoo music from a media player (such as the
dlink 520, or 320), only what's in your library (downloads and
bookmarks).

The problem I've got with this is:

These media players were developed to allow you to access content on
your TV without needing to hook it up to a computer. What good is
that if you still have to run to your computer when you've got
something new you want to play?

Think of this situation:
Got a computer in a private room, and a media center in the living
room with something like the dsm-520. A few friends don't like your
music choice, so you say, fine, I've got yahoo music, you pick out
what you want to listen to. Of course, because their taste in music
is different, it's not in my library, so now they have to go to the
computer and EVEN WORSE: They get to add music I DON'T LIKE to my
library. Thanks to technical issues, I'm forced to have music I
dislike in my library?

And secondly: Rhapsody supports accessing the entire library, not
just your small library, the entire library. How can we let Rhapsody
one-up yahoo?

So this is where dev comes in: Can we develop a plugin that enables
this feature (And no, I don't care just how hard is it to navigate.
Rhapsody does it, and I don't want to switch)?

I might be totally wrong, but the text on these devices are
misleading and not complete, all the device reviews have mixed ideas
(some say yes, others say no). And worst: Yahoo music support won't
reply to a single help email I've sent. (Neither will DLink), and
it's not cause I'm impolite (my emails were generally very simple:
Does yahoo support XYZ?)

Anyhow, I'm a programmer, however i don't even know where to start on
a upnp server.. But if it's possible to create something like this (I
didn't see too much full-library search/browse capabilities in the
plugin documentation) I'd love to work on this.

I think I'll go to best buy and "rent" the 520 tonight and see for
myself.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, I'm not totally sure on this one, but from everything I've been
reading around the net, I'm guessing there isn't a way to really
search or browse ALL of yahoo music from a media player (such as the
dlink 520, or 320), only what's in your library (downloads and
bookmarks).

The problem I've got with this is:

These media players were developed to allow you to access content on
your TV without needing to hook it up to a computer. What good is
that if you still have to run to your computer when you've got
something new you want to play?

Think of this situation:
Got a computer in a private room, and a media center in the living
room with something like the dsm-520. A few friends don't like your
music choice, so you say, fine, I've got yahoo music, you pick out
what you want to listen to. Of course, because their taste in music
is different, it's not in my library, so now they have to go to the
computer and EVEN WORSE: They get to add music I DON'T LIKE to my
library. Thanks to technical issues, I'm forced to have music I
dislike in my library?

And secondly: Rhapsody supports accessing the entire library, not
just your small library, the entire library. How can we let Rhapsody
one-up yahoo?

So this is where dev comes in: Can we develop a plugin that enables
this feature (And no, I don't care just how hard is it to navigate.
Rhapsody does it, and I don't want to switch)?

I might be totally wrong, but the text on these devices are
misleading and not complete, all the device reviews have mixed ideas
(some say yes, others say no). And worst: Yahoo music support won't
reply to a single help email I've sent. (Neither will DLink), and
it's not cause I'm impolite (my emails were generally very simple:
Does yahoo support XYZ?)

Anyhow, I'm a programmer, however i don't even know where to start on
a upnp server.. But if it's possible to create something like this (I
didn't see too much full-library search/browse capabilities in the
plugin documentation) I'd love to work on this.

I think I'll go to best buy and "rent" the 520 tonight and see for
myself.

> There are other means and ways to get around some things, may be you
> should try and get a U.S mailing address or some one from yahoo to
> help you getting the unlimited music let see what happens.
Yes I was definitely interested in a legitimate way of doing things -
hopefully someone from Yahoo is is back from their holidays and reading
this ;-)

thanks

Richard.

Hi Richard,

There are other means and ways to get around some things, may be you should try
and get a U.S mailing address or some one from yahoo to help you getting the
unlimited music let see what happens.

Regards,
Yello.


----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Shea <rshea@...>
To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:57:23 PM
Subject: [ymedev] non-US developers ?

Hi - I have a project I would like to develop using the YME to leverage
"Yahoo Music Unlimited".

According to the sign-up details "Yahoo Music Unlimited" is only
available to US residents and I'm not one. How may non-US developers
leverage YMU ?

Be interested to hear.

Thanks

Richard.






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Hi - I have a project I would like to develop using the YME to leverage
"Yahoo Music Unlimited".

According to the sign-up details "Yahoo Music Unlimited" is only
available to US residents and I'm not one. How may non-US developers
leverage YMU ?

Be interested to hear.

Thanks

Richard.

i've tried rolling back to wmp10 but in doing so i get
an error, says it can't roll back. also, when i try to
launch yahoo music i'm getting a runtime error and it
crashes. now i'm totally at a loss, don't have a
working media player nor do i have a working yahoo
music service.

--- richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:

> thanks but i'm not using yahoo messenger at all,
> still
> think it's a wmp 11 problem with yahoo music and/or
> my
> creative player.
>
>
>
> ael tryon <toyboymikie@...> wrote:
>
> >      hi u need to go back to yahoo-messager 75
> until
> > yahoo gets the new one all figured out ok thaks
> what
> > i had to do to get yahoo-music ok;
> >   toyboymikie(Michael)
> >
> > richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
> >           i apologize for intruding here, but
> since
> > yahoo
> > literally does not support the ymu service
> directly
> > i
> > have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
> > questions.
> >
> > i've been using the service since inception
> without
> > issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11
> was
> > installed i cannot add any music to my creative
> > device. when i try (after making sure all licenses
> > are
> > updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
> > reboot my creative device.
> >
> > i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and
> creative
> > devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks
> > in
> > advance, please email me at:
> >
> > cohenfive@...
> >
> > richard cohen
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>


__________________________________________________
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i really need some help gang. the pc where i tried to
roll back that said 'rollback failed' now has all
sorts of problems--no internet access, no sound, can't
open most applications (i get an insufficient error
message when i try to open wmp)...the pc will not open
help and support either. worst of all, when i go to
system restore it won't do it, says it's not able to
protect the pc even though system restore is turned
on. i was hoping to be able to restore it to an
earlier date when it ran, but without this i have no
idea what to do. all this from some problem between ms
and yahoo music on the media player...


--- richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:

> thanks but i'm not using yahoo messenger at all,
> still
> think it's a wmp 11 problem with yahoo music and/or
> my
> creative player.
>
>
>
> ael tryon <toyboymikie@...> wrote:
>
> >      hi u need to go back to yahoo-messager 75
> until
> > yahoo gets the new one all figured out ok thaks
> what
> > i had to do to get yahoo-music ok;
> >   toyboymikie(Michael)
> >
> > richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
> >           i apologize for intruding here, but
> since
> > yahoo
> > literally does not support the ymu service
> directly
> > i
> > have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
> > questions.
> >
> > i've been using the service since inception
> without
> > issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11
> was
> > installed i cannot add any music to my creative
> > device. when i try (after making sure all licenses
> > are
> > updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
> > reboot my creative device.
> >
> > i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and
> creative
> > devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks
> > in
> > advance, please email me at:
> >
> > cohenfive@...
> >
> > richard cohen
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>


__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

i tried uploading wmp9 and then wmp10 via compact
flash card (no other devices were recognized by the
pc) as a last resort to getting the pc going again.
when i tried to load wmp10 it said the software
couldn't load as it wasn't logo certified for xp. as
for 9, it seemed to load ok but when i tried to launch
the app, i got a 'low memory' error. the pc has 1gb of
ram!

i have no idea how to get this pc working
again...would appreciate some help as it all started
with yahoo music and wmp...

--- richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:

> thanks but i'm not using yahoo messenger at all,
> still
> think it's a wmp 11 problem with yahoo music and/or
> my
> creative player.
>
>
>
> ael tryon <toyboymikie@...> wrote:
>
> >      hi u need to go back to yahoo-messager 75
> until
> > yahoo gets the new one all figured out ok thaks
> what
> > i had to do to get yahoo-music ok;
> >   toyboymikie(Michael)
> >
> > richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
> >           i apologize for intruding here, but
> since
> > yahoo
> > literally does not support the ymu service
> directly
> > i
> > have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
> > questions.
> >
> > i've been using the service since inception
> without
> > issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11
> was
> > installed i cannot add any music to my creative
> > device. when i try (after making sure all licenses
> > are
> > updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
> > reboot my creative device.
> >
> > i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and
> creative
> > devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks
> > in
> > advance, please email me at:
> >
> > cohenfive@...
> >
> > richard cohen
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>


__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

The currently available release of Yahoo Music Jukebox is compatible
with Windows Vista.

Randy

________________________________

From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of shortyg30
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:08 AM
To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ymedev] Time for Yahoo Music Vista Beta ?



Where in the world is the Yahoo Music player for Windows vista

I am running Windows Vista RTM and just wanted to see if anyone has any
idea when we might see a updated version for the new Windows that will
be for sale in about 30 days.

Is yahoo sleeping they are going to have alot of angry customers if
they dont wake up by the end of next month






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

thanks but i'm not using yahoo messenger at all, still
think it's a wmp 11 problem with yahoo music and/or my
creative player.



ael tryon <toyboymikie@...> wrote:

>      hi u need to go back to yahoo-messager 75 until
> yahoo gets the new one all figured out ok thaks what
> i had to do to get yahoo-music ok;
>   toyboymikie(Michael)
>
> richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
>           i apologize for intruding here, but since
> yahoo
> literally does not support the ymu service directly
> i
> have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
> questions.
>
> i've been using the service since inception without
> issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11 was
> installed i cannot add any music to my creative
> device. when i try (after making sure all licenses
> are
> updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
> reboot my creative device.
>
> i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and creative
> devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks
> in
> advance, please email me at:
>
> cohenfive@...
>
> richard cohen
>
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Where in the world is the Yahoo Music player for Windows vista

I am running Windows Vista RTM and just wanted to see if anyone has any
idea when we might see a updated version for the new Windows that will
be for sale in about 30 days.

Is yahoo sleeping they are going to have alot of angry customers if
they dont wake up by the end of next month

wmp11 seems to be the source of the problem, i've been
all over the creative site and they suggest i revert
back to wmp10! i have to figure out how to do
so...have a great holiday.


--- Manish Upendran <mupendra@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Sometimes audio content other than mp3 or wma will
> cause this to happen,
> especially aac.
>
>
>
> If you have not already, you can also check the
> creative support site
> for potential issues here
>
> www.creative.com/support
>
>
> Finally, be sure to upgrade to the latest WMP11.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ymedev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of richard cohen
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:20 AM
> To: ymedev@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ymedev] sorry for the intrusion, problem
> with ymu, wmp11 and
> zen media player...
>
>
>
> i apologize for intruding here, but since yahoo
> literally does not support the ymu service directly
> i
> have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
> questions.
>
> i've been using the service since inception without
> issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11 was
> installed i cannot add any music to my creative
> device. when i try (after making sure all licenses
> are
> updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
> reboot my creative device.
>
> i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and creative
> devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks
> in
> advance, please email me at:
>
> cohenfive@... <mailto:cohenfive%40yahoo.com>
>
> richard cohen
>
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My wmp 11 problem was solved by Gateway Technical Support.  I have a Gateway
Notebook and after all attempts on my part failed, I contacted Tech Support.  He
finally tried resetting my security settings accepting cookies and turned off a
pop-up blocker, and it took care of my problem.  I now use the Beta wmp 11 and
have been very satisfied with it so far.  Full screen is very clear on it and
the format is better.

   Karen Warren


richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
           i apologize for intruding here, but since yahoo
literally does not support the ymu service directly i
have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
questions.

i've been using the service since inception without
issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11 was
installed i cannot add any music to my creative
device. when i try (after making sure all licenses are
updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
reboot my creative device.

i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and creative
devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks in
advance, please email me at:

cohenfive@...

richard cohen

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hi u need to go back to yahoo-messager 75 until yahoo gets the new one all
figured out ok thaks what i had to do to get yahoo-music ok;
   toyboymikie(Michael)

richard cohen <cohenfive@...> wrote:
           i apologize for intruding here, but since yahoo
literally does not support the ymu service directly i
have to be creative to hopefully get answers to
questions.

i've been using the service since inception without
issue, have a zen touch 20gb device. since wmp11 was
installed i cannot add any music to my creative
device. when i try (after making sure all licenses are
updated) the file transfer freezes and i have to
reboot my creative device.

i've heard there are issues with wmp11 and creative
devices but i have no idea how to fix this. thanks in
advance, please email me at:

cohenfive@...

richard cohen

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