I have been using Mobius with multiple separated inputs in Bidule for years with
no difficulties.  Inputs to Mobius:

Track 1 output from a Bidule mixer that receives inputs from a selected effects
chain
Track 2 synth driven by MIDI guitar
Track 3 clean guitar signal
Track 4 clean microphone
Track 5 left empty for copying into
Track 6 Groove Agent drums
Tracks 7-8 left empty, rarely used

I have just started to get to grips with Live 8 and have not attempted to use
Mobius in it, but will probably get there by the end of the year, and will want
to set Mobius inputs up in a similar way.

The point for you, Giovanni, is that there shouldn't be any limitations caused
by Mobius to the way you want to route inputs. Live 8 may present some
challenges.  If I work on this I'll be sure to post about it.

Hal Dean
Project Manager
Facilities Design and Construction
West Chester University
610-436-2519

I just want to add to Raul's FocusLock tip that it is important what
setting you are using for SwitchQuant. For my needs I have found Cycle
to be great, because it allows you to use loops of different lengths
together.

I'm more into distributing parts to different tracks based on how long
I want the loops to be (for poly rhythm variation) rather than based
on what type of instrument it is, as you said. Nothing is "better"
then the other here, it's just about different taste in how to make
music. I can see a point in your system though, if you are applying
mixing effects (EQ, compression, dynamic sidechain) to every track
output.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

Looping becomes a little more difficult when you add the dimension of multiple
song parts (intro, verse, chorus, bridge).

I'm able to layer with one very, very repetitive drum loop as my Master track.
I'm having trouble going the next step; sequencing repetitive song parts (intro,
verse, chorus, etc). Fundamentally, I'm using tracks for each different
instrument, and loops as the song part (loop1 is the intro, loop2 the verse,
loop3 the chorus, etc).

Here's a snipped of how I've attempted this next step...

When I switch from Track_1, loop1 to loop2, (longer) tracks 2 and 3 continue
playing until each loop is finished, then they both switch to loop2 and begin
inserting (recording). I'd like the other tracks to just jump to loop2
immediatelly.

Is there a way to force the other (slave) tracks to follow the master track loop
number?  Anyone successful in doing this?



Song verses...

Track_1, Loop1  Drum-verse   (short)
Track_2, Loop2  Bass-verse   (often longer than initial drum verse)
Track_3, Loop3  Lead guitar  (often longer than bass & drum tracks)


Chorus...

Track_1, Loop2  Drum-Chorus  (short)
Track_2, Loop2  Bass-Chorus  (often longer than drum)
Track_3, Loop3  Lead guitar  (often longer than bass & drum tracks)

ok so
i know u all r busy
i have an update:
mobius(v1.41) doesn.t crash anymore live 8.05 when i close the mobius window(it
just fixed by itself)
i've finally found some posts about live and mobius,but they are all very
old,like from 2005,2006...
someone had a very similar problem to mine
i've tried to put mobius on the return track,but there is no way of assign
specifically the amount of send signal to a specific track in mobius...
anyway i managed to put it to work in this way:
mobius on an audio track ,then different audio tracks sending audio to
mobius(i've already selected in mobius plugin input 1 to track 1,2 to track 2,
up to 8)via the audio to option
MY PROBLEM its still there because under the audio to choices i have only mobius
left2,left3,left4(live 8.05 on windows XP)....
now if i use these 3 i can send audio signal to respectively mobius track
2,3,4...
i also tried to route my fcb 1010 to mobius the way mr. Per Boysen suggested in
a recent post(directly into mobius after enabling the respective midi port
bypassing live,well it didn't work for me so i had to create a midi channel and
send midi from there to mobius and it worked very well!!!!!
i'm really happy, finally i had a jam looping different audio sources....
NOW,please!!!!

i still have to understand how to have all the tracks to assign in mobius(
why only 3 mono tracks ?
IF i put an audio track to catch the output from mobius i have mobius track2
left to 8 from which to choose,7 mono tracks...

please help me
and another thing i'll like to know is if i want mobius to be the master clock
and live the slave do i have to make the old trick with midi yoke?
any hints?
  jeff your program is awesome!!!!!
giovanni

Just one word : "Brillant" !!!
Thanks Jeff
Frédéric

hello people
i've been reading these forums for a while now
i'm new to looping, so i've read many posts on this forums to get an idea how to
possibly set up something that works for me
lots of informations over here...
thanx a lot!!!!
i'm on a pc(quad core) with xp
my will is to run mobius vst in ableton live(installed version is 8.05)
finally i decided to try on my own:
first thing :
if i close the mobius vst window inside ableton live ,it crashes live,so i have
to restart it,just to let u know
am i doin something wrong?
do i have only to place mobius vst file in the vst folder?
i can live with that for now avoiding to close the mobius window anyway...
second,
i would like to say,use more than 1 track of mobius,i heard that i can assign
different tracks(up to 8)to mobius vst inside live,but i can only see
mobiusleft2,mobiusleft3,mobiusleft4 from the "audio to" strip of an audio track,
once again am i doing somthing wrong?
i want to have more tracks sending their output to different tracks in
mobius(both midi instrument tracks and audio),after this
  i'm wondering if it would be good to send the output from mobius to different
tracks in ableton to record the performance and ad effects.....
i'm new to this and all my guesses are part of my reading through the
forums,please help me,gimme a hint,i didn't find an answer to this anywhere on
the web....
thanx for your help
gio

Newlines got messed up in my last message, which is a chronic
problem I have with Yahoo.  The first "eager" script should look
like this:

!name script 7
!autoload
!multiclick 1000

# first click, Overdub
Overdub
end

Label click
# second click, first undo overdub (actually just toggle it off)
Overdub
# then reverse
Reverse
end

The thing that seems hard to understand about multi-click scripts
is the "endClick" label.

Label endClick is called at the end of the waiting period which by
default is 1 second.  This is not where you should be puting your
single-click actions since it will be called for both single and
multi-clicks.  There are three "entry points" for a multiclick script:

   - the beginning, when the script is performed for the first
     time, this is the first "click"

   - Label click, this is called for every click after the first

   - Label endClick, this is called when a click is not made during
      the waiting period


In your script:

---------------------------
!name script 7
!autoload

   # the default value is 500 milliseconds, override to 1 seconds

   !multiclick 1000

   Message Starting Click
   end

   Label click
   Message Overdub
   Overdub
   end

   Label endClick
   Message Reverse
   Reverse
   end
-------------------------------------

Label click is called on the second click which puts you in Overdub mode,
then after a second Label endClick is called which puts you in Reverse mode.

For scripts like this there are two approaches: 1) First do the
single-click function, then if you get a double click undo the
first function and then do the second one, call this the "eager"
approach.  2) don't do anything until the waiting period
expires, then do just one function based on the number of
clicks that came in, call this the "lazy" approach.

Here is your script using the eager approach:

---------------------------
!name script 7
!autoload
!multiclick 1000

# first click, Overdub
Overdub
end


Label click
# second click, first undo overdub (actually just toggle it off)
Overdub
# then reverse
Reverse
end
-------------------------------------

The advantage of the eager approach is that you begin the first function
right away without waiting a second.  The disadvantage is that some
functions are hard to undo when you get the second click.  And in this case
there is no way to prevent a brief period of Overdub between clicks so you
will need to keep your instrument muted.

Here is the script rewritten to use the lazy approach:

---------------------------
!name script 7
!autoload
!multiclick 1000

# first click, do nothing
end

Label endClick
# we're done, clickCount has the number of "extra" clicks
if clickCount == 0
    # only the initial click, do overdub
    Overdub
else
    # extra clicks do reverse
    Reverse
endif
end
-------------------------------------

The advantage of the lazy approach is that you will only do one
thing and don't have to mess with undo.  The disadvantage is that
you have to wait for the waiting period to expire (in this
case 1 second) before anything happens.

Jeff

thanks !

But I still don't understand why I get a double "action" for the double click on
this script

when i double click I got a "reverse" followed by an "overdub"


I'would like to get that : single click = reverse ; double click = overdub

is it normal or I'm doing something wrong

Thanks
F.

ps : (the single click is working. I get a "reverse")



------------------------------
!name script 7
!autoload

# the default value is 500 milliseconds,

override to 1 seconds

!multiclick 1000

Message Starting Click
end

Label click
Message Overdub
Overdub
end

Label endClick
Message Reverse
Reverse
end

-------------------
------------------

Hello,
I'm discovering the power of the scripts :)
And because my footcontrol is limited,
I'm into using the multiclick function

And I'm wondering about it :

this script works by using the multiclick function to control the volume up and
down (double click volume down - single click volume up)

--------------------------
!name script 4
!autoload

   # the default value is 500 milliseconds, override to 1 seconds

   !multiclick 1000

   Message Starting Click
   end

   Label click
   Message set output - 5
   set output output - 5
   end

   Label endClick
   Message set output + 5
   set output output + 5
   end

-------------------------------------------------

But problem is that this script doesn't works. I got "reverse" + overdub" for  a
double click.
I'would like to get that : single click = reverse ; double click = overdub

here is the script I use

------------------------------
!name script 7
!autoload

   # the default value is 500 milliseconds,

override to 1 seconds

   !multiclick 1000

   Message Starting Click
   end

   Label click
   Message Overdub
   Overdub
   end

   Label endClick
   Message Reverse
   Reverse
   end

-------------------
------------------
is there a way to succeed
to get one function for single click and an other for doubleclick
Best regards
F.

Okay, I'll try using a key binding to the ninth fader and grouping all tracks
for now.

Yes, I'm running it on a mac.  I'll check to make sure I have the most recent
version.

Thanks again.  And thanks for adding me to the forum.

Michael Carlson
090909

thank you very much for the answers :)
I'm on the way testing the script solution
and also using "Usine" to do this translation
F.

--- In zonemobius@yahoogroups.com, Per Boysen <perboysen@...> wrote:
>
> Yes. Bidule has a certain Key object that you (1) bind to be trigged by a
> defined computer key and (2) program to send a certain MIDI event into your
> Bidule session. But this only works as long a Bidule is at front; if you
> click in the Mobius graphic window the Bidule computer key control
> connection is broken until you again click the Bidule window to put it
> front.
>
> Per
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ... not with the computer keyboard, but i think the cheap korg nanokeys
> > (which i don't have one) can do this since it has an special mode that lets
> > you use its tiny piano keys for sending CCs.
> >
> > per, wasn't this possible too with bidule, to use keystrokes to send any
> > kind of midi message?
> >
> > 2009/11/10 Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@...>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  Yes, scripts are the only way to do this right now.  Some of you may
> >> have
> >>
> >> noticed that the new Plugin Parameters window has a mysterious "Argument"
> >>
> >> text box that does nothing right now.  I'm redesigning all the binding
> >> windows
> >>
> >> so that in addition to associating a key/button/MIDI to a control you can
> >>
> >> also add an argument like +5 or -5.  This would be used with control
> >> bindings
> >>
> >> to specify how much to move them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But until that's finished you'll have to write scripts like this:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    !name Level up 5
> >>
> >>    set output output + 5
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* zonemobius@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zonemobius@yahoogroups.com] *On
> >> Behalf Of *Per Boysen
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:41 AM
> >> *To:* zonemobius@yahoogroups.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [zonemobius] Keyboard control to volume control
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You could assign to keys a script that lowers/increases track level on
> >> pressing down. Maybe also repeating the a specified amount of change every
> >> second the key is pressed. I used that in the past but settled with real
> >> faders instead (MIDI faders on FAderFox)
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings from Sweden
> >>
> >> Per Boysen
> >> www.boysen.se
> >> www.perboysen.com
> >>
> >>  On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:46 AM, javaland61 <javaland61@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a way with Mobius to control the volume knob of each track,
> >> by using a keycontrol from the keyboard computer
> >>
> >> I'm quite sure this question was already asked in this forum,
> >> but I can't find anything
> >> thank you for your answer or for a link to solve it
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi I was the original poster... Jeffs suggestion to set up a dedicated midi
track in Ableton to receive FCB1010 pedal presses worked well (except only midi
notes come thru. For some reason cc's don't come thru). Your approach in Live 8,
using the accurate midi port? ...haven't seen this in Live 7. Not sure what an
accurate midi port is.

--- In zonemobius@yahoogroups.com, Per Boysen <perboysen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have not been following this thread and I can't see from Jeff's quoting
> who the original writer is, so please forgive me if I get some details
> wrong. I just happen to have been working with Live 8.0.9 and Mobius two
> days ago and the classic trick to set up a MIDI track in Live to pipe
> external MIDI into the track that hosts Mobius did not work for me in Live
> 8.0.9. I have been doing precisely that since Live 5, so something must have
> changed (Snow Leopard moved into my Macbook, one change that I have not
> researched in this regard). But there's a better way:
>
> I got Mobius working fine as usual in Live by simply setting Mobius to fetch
> incoming external MIDI from the accurate MIDI In port on the system, thus
> side-stepping Live completely for external MIDI control of Mobius looping. I
> can recommend that method.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> > > The longpress does nothing, and from Ripwerx, I can see the same 4
> > > lines (see "with Ableton" below).
> >
> > I still don't understand how Ripwerx fits into this, it's an FCB1010
> > editor,
> > does it also have some kind of MIDI stream monitor? How have you
> > inserted
> > that between Ableton and Mobius?
> >
> > > I feel like I'm closer, but longpress still no worky, maybe because
> > the
> > > mapped slider (Ableton) for the pedal now takes two pedal pushes to
> > make
> > > a full cycle (full cycle = goes from left to right and back to left).
> > > With one quick pedal up/down, I get Record, then a short time later
> > > it resets like it thinks it was a long press.
> >
> > Oh, are you exposing functions as plugin parameters then trying to bind
> > MIDI to the plugin parameters in Ableton? There should be a way
> > to make that work, but for hosts that support direct MIDI connection
> > it's usually easier just to pipe MIDI into Mobius and do the MIDI/
> > function
> > association in Mobius rather than the host. All the bindings you made
> > in standalone mode should still work. Setup a MIDI track that receives
> > from the FCB device, then send the output of that track to the audio
> > track containing Mobius.
> >
> > If you're doing *both*, routing MIDI into Mobius and trying to map
> > MIDI to a plugin parameter in Ableton that would explain the double
> > messages.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>

> I'm wondering now, how do I bind the ninth fader to be a master
> volume control?

Unfortunately Mobius doesn't have a master volume control.  Scripts
have been written to do a gradual fade of all tracks then return
them to their original levels if that helps.  You can also assign
all tracks to the same track group, then bind the ninth fader to
output level with scope "Group A".  But this will change the levels
of all the tracks it isn't exactly like a master volume.

Part of the reason for this is that Mobius tracks can be split
among several channels of a multi-channel audio device so there
isn't really a single "master" bus.

If you are using Mobius as a plugin you could try implementing a
master volumn in the host, this should be easy if all tracks route
to the same plugin output port.

> Also, Mobius's response to the faders seems to be delayed, especially
> when I move more than one fader at a time.

Are you on a Mac?  There was a bug with standalone Mobius on the Mac
where moving more than one fader at the same time could cause some of the
changes to get lost.  That should have been fixed in 1.41.

Response should be nearly instant even with the slowest USB connection.
If you're routing MIDI through the host the host may be adding some overhead.

Jeff

Great!  I've got the bindings all set up.  It was super easy once you pointed me
to the scope thing.

I'm wondering now, how do I bind the ninth fader to be a master volume control? 
I don't want it to change the volume of the individual tracks, but just to
change the master volume output of Mobius overall while leaving the levels of
the individual tracks where they were.  It still seems to only be controlling
the selected track for some reason when I move it, even though I've given it
global scope.

Also, Mobius's  response to the faders seems to be delayed, especially when I
move more than one fader at a time.  Is there any way to improve this
performance?  Is it because I'm using USB?  Would a firewire controller work
better?

Thanks again.

Michael

Hello,

Is there a way with Mobius to control the volume knob of each track,
by using a keycontrol from the keyboard computer

I'm quite sure this question was already asked in this forum,
but I can't find anything
thank you for your answer or for a link to solve it

Best regards
F.