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Re: [zonetag-dev] Commercial use: getting telco's to play along

Good questions! Unfortunately, the current ZT coverage leaves a lot to be desired. We hope that Yahoo will offer a more complete cell API some time in the future, but in the meantime, Fire Eagle is your best best for cell tower data (with a better coverage, although still far from complete). Our data is simply coming from crowdsourcing, similar to Google's My Location.

About approaching the mobile operators... good luck :) I really don't know, I guess it's a question of how interesting your service is. I don't know of any application that made use of carrier location data so far... Google may be getting some data in some countries (rumored to at least) but who knows if that's really the case.

Mor

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From: vb_dutch <vadim.berman@...>
To: zonetag-dev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 10:04:12 PM
Subject: [zonetag-dev] Commercial use: getting telco's to play along

Hi ZoneTag developers,

An incredibly useful service! We were looking for something like this
for ages.

We are in the process of deploying a multi-function LBS, which is
primarily SMS operated. Obviously, the consolidators like Clickatell
don't have access to server-based location pinging with Nokia
platforms, and mobile operators are as cooperative as Godzilla.

We are already thinking about alternative strategies, and cell ID is
one of them. FireEagle is good, but it requires internet-enabled
phones; we'd want a more low-tech approach.

There are two questions here, though:

1. Just how comprehensive your maps are? I found this:

http://client338. lab.telin. nl:8080/wasp/ jsp/CellStats. jsp

and while the effort seems to be ongoing, it really doesn't look to
be suitable for commercial apps. Do you get yours from mobile
operators, or "reverse engineer" the lists like that one?

2. What is the proper way to approach the mobile operators? Who are
the interested parties there? What is the "carrot" we can offer them?
Is there a way to bypass them and get the cellID from elsewhere? We
have the money, the infrastructure and the technology, but no leads
in the mobile industry.

Best regards,
Vadim Berman

Digital Sonata Pty Ltd
www.digitalsonata. com

Address: PO Box 803, Camberwell, Vic 3124, Australia
Phone: +61 (0)3 98094461
Mobile: +61 (0)432 894 862




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Hi ZoneTag developers, An incredibly useful service! We were looking for something like this for ages. We are in the process of deploying a multi-function LBS,...
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Jul 10, 2008
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Good questions! Unfortunately, the current ZT coverage leaves a lot to be desired. We hope that Yahoo will offer a more complete cell API some time in the...
Mor Naaman
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Jul 10, 2008
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Hi Mor, Thank you for your reply. So where do your users typically obtain the cellD? From FireEagle? If this is the case, is it possible to access FireEagle...
Vadim Berman
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Jul 10, 2008
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Vadim, ZoneTag learns cell tower location when users use ZoneTag together with a GPS device. Take a look at the ZoneTag FAQs for more detail. Fire Eagle has a...
Mor Naaman
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Ahalan Mor, Thanks for the tip, I read the FAQs. Hmm... So you are smartphone oriented... Well, we'll keep pestering the operators then. I asked for an...
Vadim Berman
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